I always see the paradox this way: when humans "try too hard" to artificially create "harmonious situations, ways of life, social order"---the "trying too hard" is what brings about totalitarianism....my vision is more a "live and let live" approach BUT make sure people have access to tempering agencies--with social violence, for example, we make sure that the community is rich with music, art, theatrical, meaningful work...these tend to take the edge off of life while allowing and encouraging us to be self-reflective....I have seen this working with children, the children get restless and irritable, simple bring out the art canvas, the crayons, the drums and the keys...works like magic! well, adults need this too. art therapy is redundant.
I always see the paradox this way: when humans "try too hard" to artificially create "harmonious situations, ways of life, social order"---the "trying too hard" is what brings about totalitarianism....my vision is more a "live and let live" approach BUT make sure people have access to tempering agencies--with social violence, for example, we make sure that the community is rich with music, art, theatrical, meaningful work...these tend to take the edge off of life while allowing and encouraging us to be self-reflective....I have seen this working with children, the children get restless and irritable, simple bring out the art canvas, the crayons, the drums and the keys...works like magic! well, adults need this too. art therapy is redundant.
About justice, I would say that a just man is one who testifies truthfully, even if his own testimony hurts him personally, and when he alone is the only witness.
The dialogues are explicit in not simply being about literal statecraft but the discipline/psychology of individual people ("souls") scaled up to a city model. I suspect it's a bit of both, and both ancient and modern worlds take after his totalitarian views more than we'd like to admit sometimes. The Middle and Neoplatonists would take it even more allegorically, similar to how the Bible is read. In fact, there's lots of commonalities between Plato and the Alexandrian culture and Biblical Law. At that point it resembles religion more than philosophy. Abrahamic religions and Polytheistic Neoplatonism have many debates between each other and common forms together. Russell taking it literally makes sense too, though, especially given his own historical context in regards to religion and superstition. But now that literal meaning is the primary idea of Platonism that people have. With the spiritual side of things intact it preserves a glimpse of the ancient world through Plato's eyes, albeit a colonized one. I don't think anything should be taken without question and Platonism and the religious cults influenced by it provide helpful hermeneutical bridge between classic, ancient and prehistoric worlds.
understand such non earth physical commitments.I ALWAYS WONDER WHICH CRITIC OR FAN OF PLATO WILL BE HIS REINCARNATION THAT HE BELIEVED IN SO MUCH AND SEEKS TO FIND.
He had a big one, too.and , i think the assumption he was gay was just because masculine people who were not Greek were afraid of his power and authority-judgment regarding their own race and virtues(the Jews,the oligarchs ,politicians,,and even church's like the Vatican of today and their false promise of authority about all things ''godly''but really, Plato thought the pleasures of this world were less than the pleasures and virtues of he soul or spirit, and some people just cannot
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I remember an essay from Russell in which he called Plato's republic "totalitarian." I think I would agree.
He was very heavily influenced by Sparta and Spartan society that's why it's a shame that chapter 12 is missing.
I think it's a satire
I always see the paradox this way: when humans "try too hard" to artificially create "harmonious situations, ways of life, social order"---the "trying too hard" is what brings about totalitarianism....my vision is more a "live and let live" approach BUT make sure people have access to tempering agencies--with social violence, for example, we make sure that the community is rich with music, art, theatrical, meaningful work...these tend to take the edge off of life while allowing and encouraging us to be self-reflective....I have seen this working with children, the children get restless and irritable, simple bring out the art canvas, the crayons, the drums and the keys...works like magic! well, adults need this too. art therapy is redundant.
I always see the paradox this way: when humans "try too hard" to artificially create "harmonious situations, ways of life, social order"---the "trying too hard" is what brings about totalitarianism....my vision is more a "live and let live" approach BUT make sure people have access to tempering agencies--with social violence, for example, we make sure that the community is rich with music, art, theatrical, meaningful work...these tend to take the edge off of life while allowing and encouraging us to be self-reflective....I have seen this working with children, the children get restless and irritable, simple bring out the art canvas, the crayons, the drums and the keys...works like magic! well, adults need this too. art therapy is redundant.
Thanks for sharing these!
About justice, I would say that a just man is one who testifies truthfully, even if his own testimony hurts him personally, and when he alone is the only witness.
No that would be honest
very well done thank you
brilliant, thanks
The dialogues are explicit in not simply being about literal statecraft but the discipline/psychology of individual people ("souls") scaled up to a city model. I suspect it's a bit of both, and both ancient and modern worlds take after his totalitarian views more than we'd like to admit sometimes.
The Middle and Neoplatonists would take it even more allegorically, similar to how the Bible is read. In fact, there's lots of commonalities between Plato and the Alexandrian culture and Biblical Law. At that point it resembles religion more than philosophy. Abrahamic religions and Polytheistic Neoplatonism have many debates between each other and common forms together.
Russell taking it literally makes sense too, though, especially given his own historical context in regards to religion and superstition. But now that literal meaning is the primary idea of Platonism that people have. With the spiritual side of things intact it preserves a glimpse of the ancient world through Plato's eyes, albeit a colonized one. I don't think anything should be taken without question and Platonism and the religious cults influenced by it provide helpful hermeneutical bridge between classic, ancient and prehistoric worlds.
understand such non earth physical commitments.I ALWAYS WONDER WHICH CRITIC OR FAN OF PLATO WILL BE HIS REINCARNATION THAT HE BELIEVED IN SO MUCH AND SEEKS TO FIND.
Siddhartha as a young man went through this because his father raised him in a bubble !!
He had a big one, too.and , i think the assumption he was gay was just because masculine people who were not Greek were afraid of his power and authority-judgment regarding their own race and virtues(the Jews,the oligarchs ,politicians,,and even church's like the Vatican of today and their false promise of authority about all things ''godly''but really, Plato thought the pleasures of this world were less than the pleasures and virtues of he soul or spirit, and some people just cannot
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