I bought a 23 xcf. I am 50. B off road racer. Ive owner a 19 350sxf. These forks are great stock. They work over rough slow terrain. By far the best thing I like about the new bike. I have 30 hours on the new bike btw.
I also bought a 23 xcf and I could just not get the fork to function conformable for me. I did a spring conversion and I'm a lot happier with how it works now. On my 22 xc I absolutely loved the air fork iso I'm not sure if it's the new chassis or the fact that I switched from 2 stroke to 4. Other than that I absolutely love the bike.
I have the 2024 250 xcf and 2023 250 sxf. Both are awesome bikes and have almost identical performance. I can’t say enough about how superb these bike perform. There are very few noticeable differences between the two bikes. The Xcf has a kick stand, thicker back tire, and spring vs air forks. My 14 year old son rides the sxf at the track and we substantially reduced the air pressure in the forks to accommodate his 127 pound body weight. Great video and review.
People need to realize, the xc-f was made for GNCC style riding, which is fast paced woods riding, I have the 23 350 xc-f, it is perfect for the woods, fast, powerful and is very flickable in the trails. The closest to a 2 stroke for woods riding that I have ever had. I did go up one tooth on the rear and that enables me to ride 2nd or 3rd through the woods, still have plenty of usable grunt for the steep hill climbs in the western PA woods.
Taco moto is doing a teardown of 2023, one particular change for 23 , they've gotten rid of molex power connectors and went with water dust proof connectors. Also i think the fuel pump is improved.
What problems were they having with the connectors? I'm thinking this is the problem with my 890 Adveture R. My screen goes haywire within a mile or 2 every time is rains
@@keithbell8960 water gets in the connectors and corrodes. Same with display of i remember correctly. I guess they fixed for 2023 motocross bikes and soon for their other models in 2024
@@BennyTygohome this is only about a month or so old. I have about 1000 miles on it and it's only rained on it twice. Screen goes haywire in a mile or two. Speedo, odometer quit working and all warning lights come on
I ride in the lower 70% of the throttle on a 350 xc-f, but it's nice to know if I need some ponies, I can just twist the throttle more, lol. I have a 450xc-f too, but ride the 350 most of the time(I love the 6 speed). Thanks for sharing your views on those new bikes!!
No, the 350 does NOT have the 450 grunt, but when I'm riding single track, the 350 has enough grunt for me and doesn't need much clutching. I do equally well on a 500 or 350 on rocky single track and T1 type stuff. A 450 I have to manage the throttle closely, but slow single track, I never fear a stall, lol. Wide open desert race and sand, I really love the 450xc.
I’m an east coast guy. My brother just sold his 250 XCF and I sold my 250FX cuz they are miserable on the trails out here. There’s a big difference between West Coast and East Coast
and bought what ? our riding on east coast of australia is prob pretty similar to your west coast. Hella fun on the right stuff, but normally power of XCF's is up too high, idles too high, flameouts too often, stiff chassis.
I rode my 2017 XCF 350 back-to-back to the 2023 factory edition XCF 350 and I'm telling you my 17 was faster and had a better more flex frame ride. That 23 was like riding a steel girder. I have never had a single problem with my 17 after 250 hours, but in the Facebook forums I see non-stop problems with all these brand new bikes. It looks like the KTM quality control is really going downhill.
Yep! I wanted the new ktm350sx and I figured I'd use my 21 GG EX350F for open desert (wanted yours but you laughed at me). But the GG is so good on the track also that it's just not worth it to get the SX short of winning the 1.28 billion. So i changed my mind, the bike checks off too many boxes for all kinds of different riding, vet track, gp, desert. Just a vet track slow guy. Now if KTM would stop messing around and put the six speed on the 450's, then I'd look at the 350 sx for track and 450 xc/ex/fx for open desert. I'll see when the season starts again but the time I had it in the desert you can feel a little gapping in the gearing on the 350 under load (just long uphill sandy type stuff, high rpm in gear, upshift and it'll drop off in the taller gear) maybe a pipe and ecu would help or a more aggressive riding style. Suspension cost $$$ but at least it's not splitting cases on a new bike to add the 6th gear the 350 already has.
Completely agree - 450XC and gasgas EX450 should have a close ratio 6spd. But not the typical ktm massive hole between 1st and 2nd EXC wide ratio 6spd.
Ive had the xcf. It is too jumpy for tight trails without clutching. The suspension is also firm. The best moto converted trail bikes I found are the kx x versions.
@@PBmxer Different setups, pros cons to both… my 300EXC is a bit twitchy at high speed in the desert. XC definitely would be better, SXS CDI sketchy for enduro. Swings and roundabouts.
in my opinion, although SX-F is an mx bike, think it has a huge fun factor vs an enduro bike on flow like trail systems, esp with whoops similar to tracks.
I was at dealer today looking at this exact bike the xcf 350 and he said it was very easy to put a headlight on and was all plug and play. He even brought it out to show me. Do you think he didn't know what he was talking about?
My friend the market here in Europe is going crazy..for real.. for example a used ktm 350 exc (Enduro) 2015 costs 8000euro and at the same time a 350sxf (Motocross) 2020 costs 5000euro... guess what i am going to buy.... the sxf no matter what...
I bought the 2023 SX-F and I am wanting to install a skid plate on it. Can anyone direct me where to find the skid plate referenced in this video which comes stock on the XC-F please?
I have heard alot about the Race Tech spring fork conversion and KYB but not so much about the WP drop in spring conversion. Do you know much about them?
K-Tech do AER to spring conversations which get great feedback too. Having ridden the 21.5 and 22 SX-F AER forks, I’d say maybe ok with a revalve, make it more plush. Unless it’s that rising rate at the bottom of the stroke with the incompressibility of the air spring that people don’t like? Last rebuild I went with 400ml oil volume in my spring cone valve forks, for running MX and desert. Currently running an XC spring rate anyway. It’s great on track and in the dunes when you don’t know what you’re going to hit. Thinking about it, it’s hard at the bottom of the stroke for trails/enduro. Definitely would go back to 365 or 375ml for enduro setup (when my 300SX arrives 🥳). Guess the AER fork feels the same on the trails? Just lacking that bit if forgiveness you get at the bottom of the stroke with a spring fork?
Awesome vid, need more!! WHite tank is butt ugly turns into a yellow dez clapped out look in months. Make it black KTM! If you can’t tell your gas range or mileage without looking at the tank you probably should NOT be riding long distances. That is the worst argument. Also , the Gas Gas does NOT have all those changes for less money. Completly different characteristics.
@@dirtbiketv1 oh because I just wondered if the sxf and xcf sounds the same because every one says the xcf and the sxf is the same and not like the Exc. And I thought that ktm changed the xcf sound like the excfs. But Ty for the reply haha 😂
I have a question does the xcf have the same handlebars like the sxf ik the make it's neken but if i had to take the handguards off the xcf will it look like the sxf handlebars from the front?
Dumb question. But it looks like you are trail-riding in California someplace near Glen Helen. I don't know how you were able to do that since there are no 2023 SX-F or XC-F bikes with red or green CARB stickers. I hope to ride one of these off-road sometimes in California.
The paint worn off of the clutch cover on this brand new bike is a great example of KTM quality. I sold my new ktm after just 10 months of ownership, these things are plagued with made in China parts and horrible dealership support.
Admittedly, the black clutch cover was a poor decision, but that’s just cosmetic. I’ve owned KTM’s & Huskies for years and they’re way better than the Japanese bikes overall, especially if you’re racing them.
I’ve got 150hrs on my 15 300EXC and the casings are a little worn but the rest of the bike is still mint where it counts. I do oil and filter (Inc the extra socks) every 10hrs and piston every 100-110hrs. Head bearings and swingarm get greased every season when the suspension goes for service circa 40hrs. No dramas, still a great bike.
@@timchiriac7194 Have you owned a KTM or Husky? The term, “Race Ready” sounds cliche, but it’s true that they’re the most race ready bike out there, and the build quality is fantastic in my experience. As far as the 450 shootouts go, it depends which one you watch. MXA has chosen the KTM or Husky for the past several years. That said, I personally wouldn’t rule either Honda or Yamaha out, especially if I had a chance to ride one and fell in love with it. The other bikes are cheaper and competitive with the KTM’s. Better? Some people prefer the handling of the others, so, to them, it’s better. Personally, I’ve owned 4 KTM/Husky’s, 2 Yamaha’s, and 1 Kawasaki. Once you’ve experienced the Brembo brakes, ultra durable hydraulic clutches, and overall build quality, it’s hard not to love the Austrian bikes.
Ktm Good resale? Nope. I could not sell my troublesome 22 tpi bike with just 20 hours on it and absolutely no signs of use views for $7500. The resale on KTM branded bikes is horrible, this is fact. You go to any big dealer and you see rows of these made with China parked KTM bikes available for purchase, and only a few quality Japanese bikes, most of the japan bikes have sold tags on them. Hardly any hardly quality Japanese machines available in comparison. KTM has fallen to the quality level of CFmoto. When you change your design regularly, you don't have a proven design. The KTM bikes look ragged out after their 1st use, the Chinese fuel pump needs upgrading immediately after purchase if you want reliability. All KTM bikes should come with a taco moto coupon book.
😂😂😂 that’s why I sold my ktm and Husqvarna !!! I tried those bike to see if the ready to race was real 😂 , reality is you have to change or upgrade the whole bike it’s really a cheap bike !!! I got rid of that crap now I have 5 Japan bikes never go back to those ktm Chinese 💩
Any non tpi ktm stroke from 2017- 2019 is worth it's weight in gold at least that's how they're priced around me and they generally are gone in a day or two. I have a 2018 husqvarna TX 300 with 253 hrs and it has held up better than any of the Japanese bikes I've owned in the last 30 years.
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Tell us about the updates on these 2023s
"Everything's brand new and everything's RAD."
Loved it
Another case of the interviewer knows more about the topic then the person answering the questions. 😂
I would like to see a shootout between the KTM 350 XCF, HUSKY FX350, GASGAS EX350
I bought a 23 xcf. I am 50. B off road racer. Ive owner a 19 350sxf. These forks are great stock. They work over rough slow terrain. By far the best thing I like about the new bike.
I have 30 hours on the new bike btw.
I also bought a 23 xcf and I could just not get the fork to function conformable for me. I did a spring conversion and I'm a lot happier with how it works now. On my 22 xc I absolutely loved the air fork iso I'm not sure if it's the new chassis or the fact that I switched from 2 stroke to 4. Other than that I absolutely love the bike.
Thank you for commenting this. I was wondering if the xcf suspension would work for slower trails
I have the 2024 250 xcf and 2023 250 sxf. Both are awesome bikes and have almost identical performance. I can’t say enough about how superb these bike perform. There are very few noticeable differences between the two bikes. The Xcf has a kick stand, thicker back tire, and spring vs air forks. My 14 year old son rides the sxf at the track and we substantially reduced the air pressure in the forks to accommodate his 127 pound body weight. Great video and review.
People need to realize, the xc-f was made for GNCC style riding, which is fast paced woods riding, I have the 23 350 xc-f, it is perfect for the woods, fast, powerful and is very flickable in the trails. The closest to a 2 stroke for woods riding that I have ever had. I did go up one tooth on the rear and that enables me to ride 2nd or 3rd through the woods, still have plenty of usable grunt for the steep hill climbs in the western PA woods.
Taco moto is doing a teardown of 2023, one particular change for 23 , they've gotten rid of molex power connectors and went with water dust proof connectors. Also i think the fuel pump is improved.
What problems were they having with the connectors? I'm thinking this is the problem with my 890 Adveture R. My screen goes haywire within a mile or 2 every time is rains
@@keithbell8960 water gets in the connectors and corrodes. Same with display of i remember correctly. I guess they fixed for 2023 motocross bikes and soon for their other models in 2024
@@BennyTygohome this is only about a month or so old. I have about 1000 miles on it and it's only rained on it twice. Screen goes haywire in a mile or two. Speedo, odometer quit working and all warning lights come on
I ride in the lower 70% of the throttle on a 350 xc-f, but it's nice to know if I need some ponies, I can just twist the throttle more, lol. I have a 450xc-f too, but ride the 350 most of the time(I love the 6 speed).
Thanks for sharing your views on those new bikes!!
Does the 350 grunt like the 450?
No, the 350 does NOT have the 450 grunt, but when I'm riding single track, the 350 has enough grunt for me and doesn't need much clutching. I do equally well on a 500 or 350 on rocky single track and T1 type stuff.
A 450 I have to manage the throttle closely, but slow single track, I never fear a stall, lol. Wide open desert race and sand, I really love the 450xc.
I’m an east coast guy. My brother just sold his 250 XCF and I sold my 250FX cuz they are miserable on the trails out here. There’s a big difference between West Coast and East Coast
and bought what ? our riding on east coast of australia is prob pretty similar to your west coast. Hella fun on the right stuff, but normally power of XCF's is up too high, idles too high, flameouts too often, stiff chassis.
That’s the worst part for me living in Florida. Riding in sand sucks and the guys who say it doesn’t are full of shit
I rode my 2017 XCF 350 back-to-back to the 2023 factory edition XCF 350 and I'm telling you my 17 was faster and had a better more flex frame ride. That 23 was like riding a steel girder. I have never had a single problem with my 17 after 250 hours, but in the Facebook forums I see non-stop problems with all these brand new bikes. It looks like the KTM quality control is really going downhill.
Yep! I wanted the new ktm350sx and I figured I'd use my 21 GG EX350F for open desert (wanted yours but you laughed at me). But the GG is so good on the track also that it's just not worth it to get the SX short of winning the 1.28 billion. So i changed my mind, the bike checks off too many boxes for all kinds of different riding, vet track, gp, desert. Just a vet track slow guy. Now if KTM would stop messing around and put the six speed on the 450's, then I'd look at the 350 sx for track and 450 xc/ex/fx for open desert. I'll see when the season starts again but the time I had it in the desert you can feel a little gapping in the gearing on the 350 under load (just long uphill sandy type stuff, high rpm in gear, upshift and it'll drop off in the taller gear) maybe a pipe and ecu would help or a more aggressive riding style. Suspension cost $$$ but at least it's not splitting cases on a new bike to add the 6th gear the 350 already has.
Completely agree - 450XC and gasgas EX450 should have a close ratio 6spd. But not the typical ktm massive hole between 1st and 2nd EXC wide ratio 6spd.
Ive had the xcf. It is too jumpy for tight trails without clutching. The suspension is also firm. The best moto converted trail bikes I found are the kx x versions.
That’s why they make an EXC. 😉
@@Mineratron Partial to closed course models
@@PBmxer Different setups, pros cons to both… my 300EXC is a bit twitchy at high speed in the desert. XC definitely would be better, SXS CDI sketchy for enduro. Swings and roundabouts.
in my opinion, although SX-F is an mx bike, think it has a huge fun factor vs an enduro bike on flow like trail systems, esp with whoops similar to tracks.
The skid plate looks awesome but why not cover the linkage as well?
Keep the 350xcf information coming!
I am waiting for mine to arrive in BC Canada.
Love 350s. And hope other brands catch on eventually. But doubt it unfortunately
I’ve been saying this for years, when Yamaha makes a 350fx I’m buying it🤣
LOVE MY 2016 KTM 500EXC SIX DAYS EDTION ,SLOVAKIA .
Great video. Please do a similar video on the 2 strokes, 250/300 SX vs XC
Great idea.
THANKS GUYS !
Can't wait for a 350exf test!
I was at dealer today looking at this exact bike the xcf 350 and he said it was very easy to put a headlight on and was all plug and play. He even brought it out to show me. Do you think he didn't know what he was talking about?
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Beautiful bikes!
Can’t wait to throw a leg over that xcf!
I've put lighting kit on my XC-F 350 it works great, Siccass lighting kit
cost? how was install?
Beta Motorcycles also has 350 four-stroke and with the racing edition, you get KYB spring forks.
And ?
Since KTM doesn’t make a 350sxf factory edition, could you buy the 350xcf and swap the tank direct from an sxf ?
They make a 350 xcf factory
The 350 is the best option in my opinion. I guess the only question I would have is are the changes significant enough to upgrade from a 18 or 20?
New chassis for 23, revised AER forks 21 onwards. I’ve ridden the 21/22 AER forks and they’re really good.
@@Mineratron awesome thanks!
What action camera are you using (totally smooth) while in the trails in this video?
My friend the market here in Europe is going crazy..for real.. for example a used ktm 350 exc (Enduro) 2015 costs 8000euro and at the same time a 350sxf (Motocross) 2020 costs 5000euro... guess what i am going to buy.... the sxf no matter what...
Awesome, thanks Jay...💯👍
23 250/300xc for me , I tried 4 stroke just not my thing !
"With that extra 6th gear, you can use it to connect those trails" ... I'm sorry, what? What does that mean 😂
Haha- OK so connecting trails means longer dirt or asphalt roads in between single track- can be cruising in 6th -
Quick question for you, what temp do you set your radiator fan to come on?
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I put a light kit on my 350 xcf and had no problems
I bought the 2023 SX-F and I am wanting to install a skid plate on it. Can anyone direct me where to find the skid plate referenced in this video which comes stock on the XC-F please?
XCF for me
Great video. Thank you!
Send the forks in to have them revalved and you are good?
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I have heard alot about the Race Tech spring fork conversion and KYB but not so much about the WP drop in spring conversion. Do you know much about them?
K-Tech do AER to spring conversations which get great feedback too. Having ridden the 21.5 and 22 SX-F AER forks, I’d say maybe ok with a revalve, make it more plush.
Unless it’s that rising rate at the bottom of the stroke with the incompressibility of the air spring that people don’t like?
Last rebuild I went with 400ml oil volume in my spring cone valve forks, for running MX and desert. Currently running an XC spring rate anyway. It’s great on track and in the dunes when you don’t know what you’re going to hit.
Thinking about it, it’s hard at the bottom of the stroke for trails/enduro. Definitely would go back to 365 or 375ml for enduro setup (when my 300SX arrives 🥳). Guess the AER fork feels the same on the trails? Just lacking that bit if forgiveness you get at the bottom of the stroke with a spring fork?
Have you all played with the kreft moto kit for the air forks?
Any clue of the xcf stator has enough to support a fan? 60watt?
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It was me jumping the doubles not Rado and Rado is following me on the track because I'm fast I'm good 😀 :)
doesn't the 250 xcf 350 and 450 have a quickshifter like the sxf series. Husq fx 350 and 450 2023 also have quickshift
These look outstanding
Is it normal for these 23’ bikes to have up and down rear linkage play?
Love KTMs- a little more pricey but worth it in the long run. Thanks for the info Jay!!!
Not really "worth it" at all in the long run unless you just like looking at the color orange.
@@motokid413 lol yup a Hondas for the long run
@@timchiriac7194 I do want a 350 tho lol
@@timchiriac7194 I think the best stock bikes right now are kawi and yamaha
Awesome vid, need more!! WHite tank is butt ugly turns into a yellow dez clapped out look in months. Make it black KTM! If you can’t tell your gas range or mileage without looking at the tank you probably should NOT be riding long distances. That is the worst argument. Also , the Gas Gas does NOT have all those changes for less money. Completly different characteristics.
Waiting for next year's xcw
When he says quick shift is coming in the future to the XCF does he mean future bike or future update via software?
Gear ratios are different on the xcf from 2022.
Think this is the next bike!
How much of this translates to the 2023 ktm 250 sxf/xcf??
Ik this is a dumb question but. Does the xcf sound a lil different from the sxf? Im just wondering if the exhaust note was changed like the excs.
no-- same exhaust and sound--
@@dirtbiketv1 oh because I just wondered if the sxf and xcf sounds the same because every one says the xcf and the sxf is the same and not like the Exc. And I thought that ktm changed the xcf sound like the excfs. But Ty for the reply haha 😂
How is the air box and air filter for change it?
still love it
Hey jake does a 2022 ktm 350 xcf have a spark arrestor ?
I have a 19 FX-450 my buddy has an 18.5 factory edition FC-450. His FC is a better xc bike than my FX-450
What is the watt output on the 2023 ktm xcf
Those KTMs look amazing. Hope the Japanese brands start making 350s soon too
Must admit… if I was in the market for a four stroke, I’d be in for a 350. 😎
I have a question does the xcf have the same handlebars like the sxf ik the make it's neken but if i had to take the handguards off the xcf will it look like the sxf handlebars from the front?
I used to have a 125 2 stroke about 15 year ago. Would like to get a bike again would the 350 be to much power for me should i just get 250f ?
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I have a 22 350sxf. What size are the rear axle nut?
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Can you speak to differences between xcf and fx?
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Beta has an off-road 350 now.
Pretty cut and dry. Do you want a track weapon or a fast woods weapon?
literally any big bike i got a chinese 125
there not tow strokes
That was a braking bump u did...not a double🤣
🤣🤣
How about showing the 250xcf some love ? :-)
Dumb question. But it looks like you are trail-riding in California someplace near Glen Helen. I don't know how you were able to do that since there are no 2023 SX-F or XC-F bikes with red or green CARB stickers. I hope to ride one of these off-road sometimes in California.
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Okey, gas gas enduro?? Pleasee 4strokes
Neither. The new 300sx kills them both...
No it doesn't 350 kills the 300.
@@LolliWANG505 not on the track...
after 10 minutes of this video I still have no clue...
The paint worn off of the clutch cover on this brand new bike is a great example of KTM quality. I sold my new ktm after just 10 months of ownership, these things are plagued with made in China parts and horrible dealership support.
Admittedly, the black clutch cover was a poor decision, but that’s just cosmetic. I’ve owned KTM’s & Huskies for years and they’re way better than the Japanese bikes overall, especially if you’re racing them.
I’ve got 150hrs on my 15 300EXC and the casings are a little worn but the rest of the bike is still mint where it counts. I do oil and filter (Inc the extra socks) every 10hrs and piston every 100-110hrs. Head bearings and swingarm get greased every season when the suspension goes for service circa 40hrs. No dramas, still a great bike.
@@aaronmcelhinney1436 in what way better? I usually see the crf 450 or yz450 on top of the 450 shootout
@@timchiriac7194 Have you owned a KTM or Husky? The term, “Race Ready” sounds cliche, but it’s true that they’re the most race ready bike out there, and the build quality is fantastic in my experience. As far as the 450 shootouts go, it depends which one you watch. MXA has chosen the KTM or Husky for the past several years. That said, I personally wouldn’t rule either Honda or Yamaha out, especially if I had a chance to ride one and fell in love with it. The other bikes are cheaper and competitive with the KTM’s. Better? Some people prefer the handling of the others, so, to them, it’s better. Personally, I’ve owned 4 KTM/Husky’s, 2 Yamaha’s, and 1 Kawasaki. Once you’ve experienced the Brembo brakes, ultra durable hydraulic clutches, and overall build quality, it’s hard not to love the Austrian bikes.
@Aaron McElhinney I haven't owned European bikes no im just saying what the pros think when they tested them
Neither one of them. Can't afford 10,000 dollars for a dirt bike.
Ktm Good resale? Nope. I could not sell my troublesome 22 tpi bike with just 20 hours on it and absolutely no signs of use views for $7500. The resale on KTM branded bikes is horrible, this is fact. You go to any big dealer and you see rows of these made with China parked KTM bikes available for purchase, and only a few quality Japanese bikes, most of the japan bikes have sold tags on them. Hardly any hardly quality Japanese machines available in comparison. KTM has fallen to the quality level of CFmoto. When you change your design regularly, you don't have a proven design. The KTM bikes look ragged out after their 1st use, the Chinese fuel pump needs upgrading immediately after purchase if you want reliability. All KTM bikes should come with a taco moto coupon book.
You must be living in an alternate dimension.
😂😂😂 that’s why I sold my ktm and Husqvarna !!! I tried those bike to see if the ready to race was real 😂 , reality is you have to change or upgrade the whole bike it’s really a cheap bike !!! I got rid of that crap now I have 5 Japan bikes never go back to those ktm Chinese 💩
Any non tpi ktm stroke from 2017- 2019 is worth it's weight in gold at least that's how they're priced around me and they generally are gone in a day or two. I have a 2018 husqvarna TX 300 with 253 hrs and it has held up better than any of the Japanese bikes I've owned in the last 30 years.