Toro Grand Stand MultiForce Debrief ► Day In The Life Lawn Care Vlog ► Mowing Tall Grass
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2018
- So after putting about 5-6 hours on our Toro Grand Stand Multi-Force demo, it was time to turn her in and report back to you guys. I will say, it was a fun experience trying out the Toro Grand Stand, but I have mixed feelings on the unit.
Overall it was a decent mower, but there were a handful of things I didn't like. Outside of that, I feel that when you try to do so many things at once, you end up not really doing one thing exceptional. This rang true when using the unit as a dedicated mower.
I went over a few things I liked, a few things I didn't, but towards the later half of the day, we did some mowing tall grass tests. This was a challenge Stan did against the Husqvarna 554. I will say this, the Toro did NOT cut any better than that 554.
In fact, I was quite surprised and, a little disappointed. Truthfully, that was kind of the story of the day with the Toro. Tons of hype from a lot of you guys but, there were a few things that stuck out to me like a sore-thumb.
Now all things being equal, it did mow just fine on my residential properties (just like the Husky). But the mower seemed a little lack luster. I think it's going to have it's strength with it's expandable capabilities, but when it comes to just being a mower, it just wasn't very overwhelming.
Love to hear your guys' thoughts on the Grand Stand Multi-Force. What do you guys think about the unit? Leave me a comment down below!
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Great video Brian! For all of us guys that do not have the opportunity to test multiple mowers, these videos are very helpful! Thanks for taking your time!
Totally pal. I wish there was a resource back when I got started like this.
Nice video! I have been so excited waiting for this video on my favorite stand on unit, by my favorite brand! Keep it up!
Great video, Brian! The side exhaust is a nice change they made instead of the front.
Thanks Brian, I see a couple of short comings on this mower, The deck is independent from the engine (belt alignment) The platform is behind the wheels rather than between (center of gravity for traction), and the wheel issues you have pointed out. It looks like the cut is excellent though....
Wow. That Multi Force just knocked out those lawns like no problem at all 😊👍
Great video Brian
Nice blowing skills. Makes me want a stand-on more. Reviews are spot on as usual.
Thanks pal
I love how your rocking the ferris hat while demoing the grandstand. 😂
Haha yeah that wasn’t intentional. I forgot to change hats during the rush of the morning. I only have like 8 on my desk to grab. Ha
Looks like a great mower man. Nice to hear the throttle back before kicking on the PTO that not a lot of other guys around me do, to the misery of their belts (and they make sure you can hear it lol) I would definitely like to see some of the other attachments they have as I think it could end up being a very versatile machine.
Growing up on a farm I was taught to always engage the PTO at a low rpm. Less shock to the parts, equipment will last much longer.
The broom you could us during the Winter snow removal on your big sidewalks, cleans better than a plow, duel purpose. Just giving it the additional props where it is deserved. The Ferris cuts better. The Wright is better on slops and softer ground.
Don Hanson the wright stander cuts nice as well I have a old 48 in one
You're very smart with your patterns
My favorite mower ever is a Toro SideWinder very comfortable!
I ran Toro Grandstands for 5 yrs....until I tried the SRSZ2. Tried the new gen Grandstand, and SRSZ2. Like you said the hydraulics on that mower are stiff, compared to the silky smooth ferris. It cut cleaner through Johnson grass without double cutting also.
It seems like it’s a more stable solid mower compared to the modified walk behindish Grandstand.
It also costed me a lot less than the high priced Grandstand. $15,000 out the door for 2 on Ferris, versus $17,000 plus tax for 2 on Toro.
Love the videos man. Keep up the good work. But for me Scag is always gonna be king.
I know it's a little late. But these things are awesome for snow too. You can get I believe it's a Boss blade for them and they work wonders if you've got a lot of sidewalks to do.
Hello, Brian another great video!!! Look I am a BIG Exmark fan and I heard a LOT of good rumors about the new Vantage coming in the fall, so I am excited about that. The toro has the attachments so that is a really good selling point. However, I do not know how much they cost. One point though I like your Ferris Cap !!! LoL Keep up with the good job Brian and Thanks a lot
seems like a very solid mower. I just bought a Toro Pushmower with the Personal pace on it and it is a very nice mower also
Yeah i wasnt sure. I live in tennessee and the bad boys are pretty common here but we also have exmark scag John deer and kubota etc all here in southeast Tennessee but the bad boys and also exmark are what ive seen the most of on the back of peoples trailors or mowing lawns.thanks for all your videos there real world info and we viewers appreciate it.
I think the exspandability of the Toro is awesome and the other manufacturers will copy eventually. But that whole curb inability business is a dealbreaker for some. Would love to see you try out the plow on some wet heavy snow. All the vids I've seen so for are of nice light powder. Just get the Ferris. You know you want it. Thanks for another good review.
The Ferris Z3X is still my favorite so far
LMAO, my admin watched your video because we just ordered a multiforce for the winter and she didn't understand what the unit was. She jumped on line and went to watch a couple of videos and stated to me, " did you see that guys video when he tried to jump a curb with the mower deck down", yep, i re-review and it was down the WHOLE time. Like I stated before, thanks for the great laugh!
Lol well there ya go!
Bro pick the deck up ....it hurts my ears to hear you grinding on that curb! All you have to do is go backwards and bump the curb just a tiny bit and you hop right over every time. Also, to judge cut quality on pasture grass more suited for a bush hog is not super helpful. Its like saying "this screwdriver doesn't make a very good hammer". Congrats to Ferris for being a better bush hog, we cut lawns.
Awesome vid! (Haven’t watch it all yet but I know it’s gonna be good)
Thanks pal!
Wow very cool brother keep up the awesome work
I have a Toro Z-master 3000 and can relate to the hand control stiffness. I had to move the dampers to the softest/least resistance setting as it was wearing my hands out after 2-3 acres of large lot mowing. Something that helps on cutting high grass is to adjust the deck baffle. Did you have it opened all the way? Not getting over a curb would be a pain. Great unbiased review! Thanks!
I was going to comment the same thing
Looks like someone's buying a Ferris! You already got the hat😉
J's Crazy Cutz, LLC there isnt a ferris dealer near by I thought he said.....
Dealer support is huge.....I think #teamscag is going to win
Lol we’ll see. I will say the hat was unintentional. I didn’t even notice I was wearing it until mid day. I left that morning, just grabbed a random hat from the stack on my table, lol
Brian's Lawn Maintenance you might as well join the Ferris crew Brian haha. At least you're getting rain I'm really dry here.
Those stripes are looking Sharp!
you got mad skills on the mower...
Nice fair and honest review.
Thanks so much for the review on the Toro! Probably not the mower for me either. I used to run a Toro Z Master zero turn that I liked pretty well. Currently running a couple of Gravely Pro Stance 52's with original X Factor deck. Not too impressed with the cut quality. Hoping you do a demo of the 2018 Gravely Pro Stance with the X Factor 2 deck. I heard the cut quality was improved. I'm liking the scag V ride 2 and the ferris so far. Stay hydrated!
Thanks pal. Hope to have the Gravely soon! Well see how it cuts up here in MI.
Brian's Lawn Maintenance awesome! I'm over in Grand Haven on the west side of the state. Supposed to get even warmer than it was today. Be glad you are cutting lawns that are still growing! Increasing watering times everywhere!
Love to see u demo hustler super s. Also would love to see Exmark stand on
I love mine and it is a boss! I would love for you to test out the attachments, but I already have them for my business! Thier is als8 a bagger too!
Brian, for a person looking to start doing lawns, how wide of a cut do you recommend for your large and small walk behind mowers respectively? Would you also recommend a bagger to vac leaves for fall cleanup comung later in the season this year?
You're completely right about the curbs, thats one thing i hate about my 52 grandstand but for as cutting i love it, another thing i might be cheating because i use scag extra life blades.
Try the hustler stand on boss. Give it a shot! I’m enjoying your videos boss! Keep it up! 🤟🏾
Brian, I think that this mower makes for a good second mower for a lawn care company (I.E.-when the main mower is in the shop, when your first mower is a zero-turn & it is still a little bit soft outside for the weight of a zero-turn, the attachment items are needed to handle a job, etc.).
If they engineer a snow-blower for it, it will really have a sellable future.
Totally agree
They do now have a 2 stage snowblower and sweeper for the multiforce. Remove the deck and bolt on a high-flow PTO powered pump and boy does it throw snow. The company I work for bought a snowblower for it and it's amazing.
11 minutes: “whatever the... heck these are called” haha you almost said something different, way to keep it PG brian😂
Lol 😂
Blue spruce
Really thorough review Brian! Great to know the pros and cons to all of these mowers. Any other mowers to demo coming soon?
Tons!
Looking forward to seeing them!
I am new to your site and have 30 years commercial experience. I have run the Exmark, Toro Z riding mowers as well as grandstands. The Toro deck seems to do better in wet grass and the striping is better if the discharge is not wide open. In St Louis people seem to run more Exmark.
I agree with a lot of comments, try the zk stander but my vote is scag or Ferris for you man
Casting my vote for the Ferris.... that Z3 is a beast. You know it too.... just noticed the hat!!... lol
Lol forgot to switch hats. I didn’t even care, it was 93 degrees out, we were dying, hahaha.
Brian's Lawn Maintenance .. I hear ya! Hot as well in Tennessee. 93 today with heat index of 104. Could cut the air with a knife
If i had my guess your going to have a hard time turning down scag but your buying the ferris...just my thought. Looking forward to see what you choose
If I were to buy because of implements, I don't think I would go this route. I'm liking the grass hopper for versatility. But I've never used that one either.
Great video, definitely look forward to seeing the Wright demo, also do you have Hustler in your area? Would like to to see a Hustler Super S demo as well.
I Would like to see the attachments!
I'm going to have to find a stand on in my area to try out, I've never been on one and just looking at them I would think they would be uncomfortable especially on long days?
BTW I just discovered your channel and have been enjoying watching some of the demo videos.
Sweet pal for sure
Lovin the day in life vid thats what we want to see☺ did you say you dont mow fri? Sat? Do you do installs those days?
I do a lot more TH-cam work on Friday now.
19:45...I was expecting Curtis from Weedwhacker Lawn Care to pop up & say “Hey y’all, Curtis from Weedwhacker Lawn Care. Brian is taking over one of my properties for a day. Stay tuned!”
I think you already answered your question early on. You got behind and had to put this one on hold and go with the sit down and catch up! :)
Yeah but, the reason we were behind was the heat and a rain out day. But this wasn’t helping me catch up. The Ferris was an even match. Same as the TT2. It is what it is!
What’s your philosophy on double cutting? Do you ever charge more for it? Do you build it in when you are quoting a job assuming you will have to double cut in the spring?
Only if it takes an excessive amount of time or it’s a new client.
good question
Dude, gotta be comfortable on it. You're the one running it each day.
Hey Brian i have a john deere 648r stander witch is almost identical to a wright stander i have almost 400 hours on it now and i am n love with it compared to my 44 exmark zero turn i would take my deere over the exmark anyday dont know if ill even go back to a zero turn now but would love to see you demo one love the channel keep up the awesome work buddy also on the deere you stand between the wheels like you want also i have a grass flap on my were you push a pedal were you stand and it drops the chute blocker and hit it again to open its just sweet
Hope to test a JD soon!
Brian's Lawn Maintenance. Awesome buddy would love to see it
Good video not a big fan of Toro but I'm sure it does the job stay cool Brian!
Great review! I like my Toro but fell it could use some improvements as well. Will you be reviewing the Scag Cheetah? Also have you considered the cub cadet commercial line? I believe its called the pro z series. Obviously it wouldn’t make sense if you don’t have a dealer in town but I was wonder if you took it in consideration. Thanks for the videos!
Probably not the cub but maybe the Cheetah come fall
Love the video. It must be nice to be able to demo the best. I purchased a multiforce nov. 2019. We wanted it for snow. With the blade. Got the 52" inch deck. Long story about the engine. It somehow got water in the oil. So it would run like crap. Last 2 snowfalls we used it for it worked great. Not sure what the issue is. Its at the dealer now. They were to talk to kohler and we all thought it best that they have the machine there for reference. Have you known anyone to run it in cold weather? Have you heard of any engine issues? We work at some pretty chilly temps.
I’ve had two cold weather issues. The breather hose into the fuel pump ices up, and there’s a three prong electrical connection on the front of the engine, moisture gets in there and corrodes the pins, causing the battery to not recharge properly during use in Edmonton winters. Both can be fixed with a little ingenuity, but are really annoying when coming from an engineering department as big as toro.
So, I’m out on the lawn ferting, and my phone starts blowing up. TH-cam alert to this video lol. Stay cool bro. It’s another incredibly hot week. Speaking of that how your lawns doing? Any too burnt to mow yet? Starting to get that way over here on the west side.
Haha love it! A little dry yup. Hope we get rain this weekend like they say.
Try the Wright Stander ZK. Super comfortable, great on hills, hops curbs, stripes 95% as good as a scag, and will cut the tall stuff within reason.
Adam Pinder YES
Nothing will beat the Ferris. I will say the Scag and Walker (If you demo one) will be very nice but overall the Ferris has it all. I have used them all and still Ferris still wins here in WNY
Can you do a video on the pros and cons of stand on vs sit down zero turns? I have always used sit downs but I see more people going to stand on. Thanks
I just did one last week check it out
That 60” deck covers some serious ground but I’m a Scag Guy thru and thru. Have you looked at Bobcat yet? They’re not bad.
We may demo one, we’ll see. Not much of their stuff around here that I see
Brian's Lawn Maintenance as you well know already, dealer support is key!
The leaning pad on a wright stander is not thick at all but the mower itself makes up for it.
You were saying you don't like standing out past the back of the mower, a wright stander you stand in between the wheels so you won't have that problem.
Walkers Landscaping YES
Demo a Scag 32” V-Ride 2 😎. I remember you stay away from gated backyards, but as with anyone, life happens, and people make changes.
Got a bag of popcorn and put my phone on a stand. Let's see how the Toro does!!!
What's the difference in lawn maintenance vs lawn care .. ? Vary nice video
Ny lisle,Fireco maintenance is mowing and trimming, care refers to chemicals
Went to look at the Ferris stand on mowers and the sales guy said have you seen this video? It was your Ferris stand on review lol
Now that's funny. Making their life easier hopefully :)
I use a toro multiforce as my main mower. It stripes very well for not having any rollers like the scab has. As far as jumping curbs 1) you have to raise the deck all the way up before trying to jump a curb. I do feel the wheels could be bigger. 2) in your tall grass test you went way faster with toro than you did with the other mowers that you have done it on. So it was not an equal, true test. I would also like to see you take the exmark through the tall grass.
We went slow and fast. It wasn’t doing any justice going any slower. The grass was bent over. Just like the Husqvarna. And the deck was raised all the way up and in the locked position. No way was that my fault. The mowers wheels are just flat out too small. Both front and back.
A Mulit mower Not just a mower thats why... low to the ground for hills and its a finish mower not a bushhog. Thats what toro made it for... Get the pic?
The deck was not all the way. This guy is a clown
Noticed the grass you were cutting early in the video was a little wet, how would you rank the mowers you tested so far cutting wet grass? Nice vids, keep it up bro...
It wasn’t bad.
Sounded like the motor wasnt running exactly perfect to me ??? It was dogging on that little easy cutting grass ?at least in the beginning, it seemed to run better after he mowed a few rounds ? My question is how high will the deck go to load on a trailer ? Im a 6 inch minimum in as high as i can go , transport deck mode ????
Brian have you ever reviewed the Gravely Pro Stance? Thank you.
Hey you definitely should check out John Deere and wright mowers those things are awesome mowers
A trick on my mowers I use to do is carry a 2 by 4 cut section or 2 by 6 for my curbs. Can be a pain but works good.
I use a 48 in grandstand everyday at work.
Pros- Leaves nice stripes. Controls are simple. Fairly quick and agile.
Cons- Handle controls are too small/narrow. My hand slips off turning around doing y turns and they are hard to keep straight on bumpy lawns in order to leave straight lines. You have to go slower than you should need to. Too light/center of gravity. Going up steep hills the front end comes off the ground. Good luck on wet hills or slopes cause that baby is gonna slide. Oh you also bounce up and down a lot on bumpy lawns
Try the hustler mowers they are some of the best mowers on the market in my opinion
Machine looks pretty cool , was disappointed at the quality of the cut going through tall grass, I have a 30 acre property, which consists of slope and bit of flat areas, I do have small rocks coming up through ground, I ended up purchasing a AS Motor 901 flai walk behind, yes it is a pain in the butt walking behind but the cut quality going through tall grass is very good and not to mention going through thick brush is a breeze, also it's slow but I'm yet to find something that could handle the terrain of my property, awesome video very informative, keep up the good work👍👍
Good stuff. Get some Long sleeve Dryfit works shirts. You wont ever go back to short sleeve. They are cooler and you dont get the crazy tan lines. "GOOD SKING PROTECTION" Also keeps the itchy dust off arms. Standing inbetween is def better than behind wheels.
I’ll look them up thanks pal
When going up and down the curb hop off the machine and just so you know the turbo force is the same deck as the ultra cut just the turbo force has a adjustable bafgle so your exmark wouldn’t cut the same as that maybe worse due to not haveing that baffle
Out of all the demo stand ins which do you like the best
When comparing the tall weed, single pass cut between this mower and other mowers, why do you go much faster with this mower and expect the same results, as when you travel at sensible speeds in your other video with other mowers?
The grandstand is a decent mower. Not top end but it's better then a residential mower. They are very popular here in Jersey. Doesn't even come close to Scag.
Team orange all the way.
Most units now days are made generally around the same quality, each manufacturer has its claim to fame for its most durable design of certain parts however at the end of the day it’s mostly about maintaining your equipment. Any unit one buys new and maintains according to manufacturers specifications should last a decent amount of hours. The problem is most people do not understand what actually taking care of a unit is. Once we switched from cast iron cylinders to aluminum it is very vital to run clean fuel, always change your air filters to prevent dirt ingestion, and change the oil once it looses its viscosity. If you do all of the above you should get long life out of any mower. Best recommendation for what to buy is not about what cuts best or whatever, pick a brand that you have a Reliable dealer that is conveniently near you, that’s the most vital part. That’s why John Deere sucks, equipment quality is normal, however getting parts can be a nightmare even on newer equipment. Also honestly I think cut quality is partially a marketing scam, I have a Toro from 1998 and a snapper from 1965 and they both cut as good as any of my zero turns or walk behinds I own. 😀 good luck picking!
I'm not sure of what a true feel you can get from a one day test drive. If you use it for another day or two I would like to hear a final evaluation from you.
I agree but, I know what to look for. It doesn’t take but a handful of hours for me to know a unit front to back. I’ve used what 3 or 4 units now. I can tell the difference between units very quickly, their pros and cons.
I have a 2012 Toro grandstand, 52 inch cut.. having issues with hydro lines but 1600 hrs shes still trucking. I Also dont scrape when hopping most curbs, i suggest going at a angle once you hop the curb with the front of the mower. Bet luck to you!
Best* lol!
I also have the drop down mulcher.. very handy. But bagging is a necessity for getting leaves up!
I still don’t like the fact that we aren’t seeing the more common models being tested. Like the 52, 48 decks that the majority of the lawn care community uses. I do love the videos and the feedback is great!!! But, the grandstand is more popular and the tech has been perfected. I hope to goodness that we don’t see the monster wright w the dual drive wheels! Lol. Does this make sense or is it just me?! :) thanks Brian.
Well see :)
as for the stripes on this, do you remember if you adjusted the baffle later in the day as the grass got more dry ? i saw it was wide open in the morning. if you adjusted the baffle, it'd increase stripes
oh and great video, love them all so far
We don’t adjust the baffles once they’re set no sir
I have a good amount of lawn care experience, do you think lawn care could be a side hustle?
Sure why not
+1 for Jocko and Extreme Ownership
Thanks for cutting long grass
Oh also that mower pops a wheelie easy though if u do a quick jerk forward u could pop a wheelie and land on the curb and then pop up lol
I could but that’s horrible for the frame!
Brian's Lawn Maintenance lmao! Yep but Toro can handle it lol, nah I don't really do that unless I'm about to get stuck lol
Does Ferris, John Deere, or Exmark top mower cut tall grass best??
Still finding that out!
Brian do you sharpen all your blades at the end of the week or per so many lawns or hrs?
We have about 5-6 sets we sharpen biweekly. We change our blades out every day, day and a half usually
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So about 10 to 20 hrs
Hey Brian did that grandstand have a class V hitch or a normal 2 inch receiver hitch
I’m not sure, I’ll know more we might get a demo again soon
@@BriansLawnMaintenance ok, great, I’m seeing if I get one, I want to see if it can tow trailer to reverse them backwards where the truck can’t get to
The toro grandstand is so easy to work on that is what I love but that's only 1 thing. Theirs a long list.
... Just look at the amassing quality cut of the TORO GrandStand... nice and smooth...
Put a set of Michelin Tweel‘ s and you’ll have excellent control over curbs and gutters, all you doing is destroying the deck, lean into it...
I would go with it bc for snow plowing you could use it on your sidwalkd
we have eleven stand on mowers, ten are Toro Grandstands. weak link is the front forks are weak. We do a lot of medians and getting on-off curbs with traffic buzzing by you, the forks get bent at the lower bearing from impacting the curb. If the forks were wider the new tweel tire in the front may absorb a lot of the impact!
That Toro. From the front end with the small wheels looks like a walk Behind
I was told by several different mower mechanics to stay away from Wright, and Toro. They cut corners and aren’t nearly as tough as scag, Ferris, etc..
Top Comment I’m only speaking from my own experience. My first grandstand went 2800 hrs , didn’t replace any belts till 2600. My new has 400 hrs , no issues . I also have a toro Titan z turn 1390 hrs , little issues .
Im a small engine repair mechanic who works at a shop and we also sell toro among other brands. I will tell you from experience i see fewer toro mowers coming in for repairs than anything. Mostly john deere and walker stuff for major repairs. Also Dixie and off brand stuff seems to come in a lot. Don't see ferris here and the few scags around don't come into our shop if theyre breaking down. Exmark and Toro mostly for routine maintenance and wear parts. Also ill say we don't see a lot of stander mowers yet. most crews are still runings sit downs and walk behinds. Only a very small fraction running stand ons. It will be interesting to see if its a fad or if they actually stick around for the long haul. Say 10-15 years from now. Looks awfully uncomfortable to run all day vs sitting.
I would disagree I seen toro mowers with significantly more hours than any other mower, they seem to last forever. I've seen some grandstands with 10k hours on craigslist.
Well you might see fewer toros because they aren’t nearly as popular as scag and other brands. I was also told scag is by far easier to work on then most brands.
I have 1600+ hours on my grandstand and no issues yet. All belts are original. This machine was new last April. So far no complaints. But of course there are a lot of nice mowers out there.
Need to try hustler and wright
What kind of pants do you wear ? And where do you get them ? I like the color .
Just target.
Brian's Lawn Maintenance Hey Thanks .
Also for me and my z master throttling down a little helps in wet grass
Palmer Marcus how does slowing the blade rotation help with lift, cut, and throw on heavy wet grass?
it reduces deck build up/deck packing, which is the reason mowers clump in the first place as when the blades hit the built up grass on the front baffle it knocks it off and throws it, which is the clump seen in the yard, and lowing the rpms by 200-300 will not make a noticeable difference in the throw or cut of the mower if you do not go really fast. This is why most people say tightly baffled decks clump a lot vs open ones as they have a lot less room to work with when it starts to build up.
Palmer Marcus interesting and that does seem logical. Thanks for the feedback.
I see you still have the Ferris hat on. My guess is you will end up with the Ferris