This is so awesome! I have the V2 Luna controller on my BBSHD fat bike and just sold my ASI BAC 4000 Sur Ron with bms bypassed stock battery. The reason being, is because I have a lot more fun on my 52v 27ah Sony VTC6 cell 60 amps continuous electric fat bike with the pedal assist dialed in to act almost like torque sensing pedal assist. I can not wait until my 72v 16ah Molicel cell triangle arrives that can put out 180 amps continuous. Thank you for doing this video. Cheers.
@@eXTreemator Well actually, the BBSHD can run at 4000W on a ASI BAC 855 controller without any trouble, specially if you change the nylon gear with a PEEK gear, That is 100 phase amps on the motor. I have this setup on my EEB enduro frame with a 72V 3KW Panasonic battery (Battery is able to push 120A continuous). The BBSHD will get around 65 Deg C if going full throttle for a long time, but that is noting for this motor as it is a IPM motor (rotor embedded with permanent magnets). Also, the ASI controllers have Field Weakening, this permit the motor to spin much faster with same voltage. Feel free to check my YT channel to see my bike in action. Cheers Dan
Honestly I can’t say this race is a good example. I have a BBSHD and phaserunner running on 21s LiPo and it will pull the front tire clear off the ground from a 15 mph roll and would put both those bikes to shame. You don’t have that phaserunner tuned at all.
Numbers... Surron 60v x 90A = 5400 W BBSHD 52v x 28A = 1450 W BBSHD 72v x 60A = 4300 W (on motor 51v x 85A) High amps gives more torque = better acceleration But surron weighs a lot more.. Surron probably has automatic gears, which are built for wide range of speeds. Bike's shifting system is not integrated with motor, you manually change gears and motor's sensor turns off motor for a moment not to damage derailleur.
Yep which is why im switching to a mid drive kit as opposed to the hub driven my old bike (stolen last week) had. Theyre very subtle and police dont care/ wont check unless you're being a dickhead
I think I would have preferred to see a stock BBSHD vs Phaserunner BBSHD race and then bring in the SurRon for the final race. I have a 21s (76V) BBSHD and Phaserunner setup which is pretty damn quick for a bicycle. I would love to see how it can do versus a SurRon :)
Question, on the same ebike 26 x4 fat tire rear hub. Which one would be faster, 750 watt motor with 60 volt battery or 1000 watt motor with 48 volt battery. Thanks in advance for responding.
i have the BBSHD with 52V battery (all stock no mods) - can you recommend someting to increase the power / performance ? (without replacing the battery - maybe ill do that much later) cheers
Put a smaller front sprocket on it, im running a 36t on my 52v bbshd and it's great performance wise... harder acceleration... motor stays cooler not working as hard drawing less amps running more efficiently with more Newton metres the back wheel.
Great vid! Why buy a sur Ron for a lot more money when you can get that bbshd setup much cheaper and go under the rador. Cyclone mid drive would be good vid to do next. Just a thought 😉😁
Exactly. But then these bikes are imo tailored for different users. The surron is more of a e dirt bike. The bbshd can be fitted to more different builds.
No one able to solve my problem. Brother I have an e bike named as Raymon hardray 4.0. It has a yamaha mid drive motor and a yamaha display. I tried to increase the speed of the bike by putting magnet to pedals and removing sensor from its original place.. it worked perfectly but suddenly it stopped working completely. It gives very little peddle assist. Before I could go max 16miles but now the motor doesn’t support 5 miles. The change in the display that appears after this problem is that the range shown on the display is blinking. It never blinked before. Please help me. I haven’t found any video to solve this problem. No one in my area is able to identify the problem
Hello, can you help me? What does this difference in speed depend on the voltage of the battery 48 52, can you explain? I have the 1000 Bafang is mine, it goes very slowly, why?
Do you think that a multi-speed drivetrain can last at short periods of 5000w full blast without major consequences and hurting the drivetrain's lifespan?
Pretty nice I just finished my 48v lifepo4 25ah.. bbshd.. full suspension mt bike.. total weight 65 pounds.. (my weight 190) today.. gonna get that 4000watt upgrade that came out.. soon for 600.. seemed more of the acceleration I want
Yes with 72 plus volts Basically the bbshd will take a max of around 3.6 or 3.8kw before the torque starts shreading the Nylon Gears.. obviously can replace with steel gear coggs but much more Noisy.. who ever set the phaserunner up on this video aint coming close to hitting sweet spot or max performance..
Are you guys able to fabricate a hybrid seat/back mud guard/2nd battery holder. Was going to see if you guys would be able to make a seat hybrid for my bike with the suron seat cushion but see if you could add a battery into it where the back fender would be. If so could you add break lights and turn signals to it? Could turn the battery pack into the back mud guard/seat. Would be pretty bad ass if you could do it all in one piece. If the battery is too heavy you could add a suspension spring on both sides of the wheel. If you cant do it with the seat than how about just the fender with the break lights and turn signals with the extra battery? Cheers.
if you have an ebike you should pedal, it's lame when you see someone with an ebike and only uses the throttle, lazy bastards in London working an office job and still too lazy to pedal, the weaker 500 -750 watt motors with pedal assist can get up to speed from 0 to 25 mph quickly, much faster than bikes without electric motors, so it's ideal for urban environment where you constantly speed up and slow down, makes ebikes superior to normal non electric sports bikes, dont buy anything below 500 watts because then it's just going to be too slow and pointless for road use but also don't buy anything too powerful because it's going to be inefficient if you need travel somewhere further.
I'm a bit lost where I can buy a controller - Phase runner, ASI BAC 800, or Ludicrous. I've ruled out the Ludicrous as it seems Luna only sells to selected customers. ASIC BAC seems unavailable. Any tips would sure be appreciated. Thanks for sharing the great vid!
i have a bbshd with 52v and 3,200w controller and a 60v 1500w hub with a 2000w controller . i like the hub better because the bbshd chews up chains and sprokets .
In the UK both these would be illegal but the suron is far more likely to be spotted by police. Suron can be road legal though so commuting possible but still not legal on bike paths etc. I have a Frey ex now for off road and a hub drive conversion for commuting.
Guy on the BBSHD cannot start. Why is he doing a pedal stroke? If he is on a smaller cog on the rear, then this is not an accurate race. On a big cog, the Bafang will start faster but not reach top speed of the surron. Ideally the Bafang should race on a 1:1 gear ratio, so lets say 44 tooth in the front 42 rear, which will just destroy the surron from a dead stop.
Stock 52v BBSHD Races:
3:25 - First "race"
4:07 - Second race
4:24 - Third race
4:38 - Fourth race (rolling start)
4:50 - Fifth race (top-end)
Modified 72v BBSHD Races:
5:30 - First race
6:04 - Second race
6:19 - Third race (rolling start)
6:46 - Fourth race (top end)
Respect brother 🙏 🙌
The bait and switching is really annoying.
red bike is interesting because it managed to combine full suspension and also having a triangle battery which is the ideal setup.
I've just ordered a Mario 1000w BBSHD 52v and I cant wait to try it out so thanks guys for your videos my friend
hello, I was considering ordering one of those, have you received yours yet?
Bbshd is such a good unit! These things will take all the abuse!
So what was the top speed?
This is so awesome! I have the V2 Luna controller on my BBSHD fat bike and just sold my ASI BAC 4000 Sur Ron with bms bypassed stock battery. The reason being, is because I have a lot more fun on my 52v 27ah Sony VTC6 cell 60 amps continuous electric fat bike with the pedal assist dialed in to act almost like torque sensing pedal assist. I can not wait until my 72v 16ah Molicel cell triangle arrives that can put out 180 amps continuous. Thank you for doing this video. Cheers.
sounds good my friend
What controller you running?
Yea right. Continuous. It wouldn't even take 60a continuous at all. Overheat in 5 min
180 A? bs...
@@eXTreemator Well actually, the BBSHD can run at 4000W on a ASI BAC 855 controller without any trouble, specially if you change the nylon gear with a PEEK gear, That is 100 phase amps on the motor.
I have this setup on my EEB enduro frame with a 72V 3KW Panasonic battery (Battery is able to push 120A continuous).
The BBSHD will get around 65 Deg C if going full throttle for a long time, but that is noting for this motor as it is a IPM motor (rotor embedded with permanent magnets). Also, the ASI controllers have Field Weakening, this permit the motor to spin much faster with same voltage.
Feel free to check my YT channel to see my bike in action.
Cheers
Dan
Honestly I can’t say this race is a good example. I have a BBSHD and phaserunner running on 21s LiPo and it will pull the front tire clear off the ground from a 15 mph roll and would put both those bikes to shame. You don’t have that phaserunner tuned at all.
Do you use field weakening?
Field weaking I believe is good for top speed but lesser torque right?
Numbers...
Surron 60v x 90A = 5400 W
BBSHD 52v x 28A = 1450 W
BBSHD 72v x 60A = 4300 W (on motor 51v x 85A)
High amps gives more torque = better acceleration
But surron weighs a lot more..
Surron probably has automatic gears, which are built for wide range of speeds.
Bike's shifting system is not integrated with motor, you manually change gears and motor's sensor turns off motor for a moment not to damage derailleur.
I like this. You definitely could away with riding the 72 volt bbshd on the street without being pulled over. Look like a normal bike.
look at paradox kinetics, even more subtle and more power, 65kmh
Yep which is why im switching to a mid drive kit as opposed to the hub driven my old bike (stolen last week) had. Theyre very subtle and police dont care/ wont check unless you're being a dickhead
@@goinawol9447 How did your bike get stolen?
@@Hardware244 someone jumped on it and rode away
I think I would have preferred to see a stock BBSHD vs Phaserunner BBSHD race and then bring in the SurRon for the final race.
I have a 21s (76V) BBSHD and Phaserunner setup which is pretty damn quick for a bicycle. I would love to see how it can do versus a SurRon :)
you right!
that's the only reason I stuck through this video. says in the description that they race them, waste of time
great test.. is the phaserunner smoother?
Question, on the same ebike 26 x4 fat tire rear hub. Which one would be faster, 750 watt motor with 60 volt battery or 1000 watt motor with 48 volt battery.
Thanks in advance for responding.
I still watch this video and thats why I bought the 1000w mid-drive 52v 21ah ebike 👍🏾🙏
I'm also curious about your range Rory.
i have the BBSHD with 52V battery (all stock no mods) - can you recommend someting to increase the power / performance ? (without replacing the battery - maybe ill do that much later) cheers
Hahah I was think I might do the same but to see if it will work with 52v battery and phase runner or do you need 72v battery?
What top speed have you reached with this setup?
@@michaelsMW2movies my bbshd 52v from luna is stock as far as i know . it'll do 35mph pretty easy .
Put a smaller front sprocket on it, im running a 36t on my 52v bbshd and it's great performance wise... harder acceleration... motor stays cooler not working as hard drawing less amps running more efficiently with more Newton metres the back wheel.
Great vid! Why buy a sur Ron for a lot more money when you can get that bbshd setup much cheaper and go under the rador. Cyclone mid drive would be good vid to do next. Just a thought 😉😁
Awesome we will look into it :)
Exactly. But then these bikes are imo tailored for different users. The surron is more of a e dirt bike. The bbshd can be fitted to more different builds.
Cuz surgeon has better components and more built for the speed with the frame
use the right gears for the bbshd
This is cool. DIY kits vs pre made bikes!
Hey what happened to Dan's email you said you were going to provide in the link? Loved your comparison video . Thanks.
No one able to solve my problem.
Brother I have an e bike named as Raymon hardray 4.0. It has a yamaha mid drive motor and a yamaha display. I tried to increase the speed of the bike by putting magnet to pedals and removing sensor from its original place.. it worked perfectly but suddenly it stopped working completely. It gives very little peddle assist. Before I could go max 16miles but now the motor doesn’t support 5 miles.
The change in the display that appears after this problem is that the range shown on the display is blinking. It never blinked before. Please help me. I haven’t found any video to solve this problem. No one in my area is able to identify the problem
Measure the battery voltage after full charge. If it's below nominal voltage some cells went bad. If the battery is ok I would suspect the controller
That means nothing until you approach a hill that's where the BBSHD SHINES AND BLOWS AWAY ANY HUB DRIVE!
Are the ratios the same? There needs to be same frame/cassette/rider ghost laps.
Hello, can you help me? What does this difference in speed depend on the voltage of the battery 48 52, can you explain? I have the 1000 Bafang is mine, it goes very slowly, why?
My 72v bbshd outruns a surron easier so wonder what controller this uses
Do you think that a multi-speed drivetrain can last at short periods of 5000w full blast without major consequences and hurting the drivetrain's lifespan?
Weights (rider+bike) about equal?
Tire pressure comparable?
You guys are close to Dixie & Derry?
Pretty nice I just finished my 48v lifepo4 25ah.. bbshd.. full suspension mt bike.. total weight 65 pounds.. (my weight 190) today.. gonna get that 4000watt upgrade that came out.. soon for 600.. seemed more of the acceleration I want
4000 watt motor upgrade? from bafang
May god have mercy on your bike chain..
Going to need a hub motor for that..bicycle drivetrain isn't going to like 4k
@@brokejaw ... yep, it's called highvoltagekits ...
@@brokejaw Go belt drive
Now put a 96 Volt 5KW BLDC Motor Air Cooled in a Sur-Ron!
Gay
@@SALUTEoverEVERYTHING says you
Was the sur ron even in sport mode ? Was the wire cut too ? Could’ve been way more informative in the video
Is your website down right now? I'm trying to check my order status and I can't load the page! I want my bbshd so bad lol
I wanna change my motor on my scooter big motor were will I get faster one
I think my Ecotric Rocket mod with a 1200W rear hub direct drive with 52V battery and Phaserunner controller would whip them both.
Can you dial up the Phaserunner to pump like 3 or 4K into the Bafang ?
Yes with 72 plus volts Basically the bbshd will take a max of around 3.6 or 3.8kw before the torque starts shreading the Nylon Gears.. obviously can replace with steel gear coggs but much more Noisy.. who ever set the phaserunner up on this video aint coming close to hitting sweet spot or max performance..
@@upcycleelectra8311well said. I'd recommend upgrading to metal gears also
You would probably need to get a steel cassette with less gears so it is stronger than what comes with your bike.
Make sure the rotor shaft is the up graded one the old ones brake the shaft
@@Full_Throttle_no_Brakes Actually, the PEEK gear is better than the metal ones, quiet, not affected by heat and doesn't wear out the rotor gear.
Are you guys able to fabricate a hybrid seat/back mud guard/2nd battery holder. Was going to see if you guys would be able to make a seat hybrid for my bike with the suron seat cushion but see if you could add a battery into it where the back fender would be. If so could you add break lights and turn signals to it? Could turn the battery pack into the back mud guard/seat. Would be pretty bad ass if you could do it all in one piece. If the battery is too heavy you could
add a suspension spring on both sides of the wheel. If you cant do it with the seat than how about just the fender with the break lights and turn signals with the extra battery?
Cheers.
Could you get the BBSHD with a 72v Phaserunner up to 50-55mph? (With like 50-60A)
We will have a Bbshd 72v upgrade kit soon
What kind of bike is the bbshd on?
Are you using field weakening? I got same 72v + phaserunner. Tried field weakening but motor was getting warm.
Google heatsinks for BBSHD mid drive
What’s field weakening?
20 sec of content, 7 minutes of video. You are juicing.
if you have an ebike you should pedal, it's lame when you see someone with an ebike and only uses the throttle, lazy bastards in London working an office job and still too lazy to pedal, the weaker 500 -750 watt motors with pedal assist can get up to speed from 0 to 25 mph quickly, much faster than bikes without electric motors, so it's ideal for urban environment where you constantly speed up and slow down, makes ebikes superior to normal non electric sports bikes, dont buy anything below 500 watts because then it's just going to be too slow and pointless for road use but also don't buy anything too powerful because it's going to be inefficient if you need travel somewhere further.
Does anyone know why they stopped selling the 72v?
can you guys make me the same setup as the red bike has but on a montague pro?
I'm a bit lost where I can buy a controller - Phase runner, ASI BAC 800, or Ludicrous. I've ruled out the Ludicrous as it seems Luna only sells to selected customers. ASIC BAC seems unavailable. Any tips would sure be appreciated. Thanks for sharing the great vid!
We carry the phase runner in stock
goldenmotor.bike/product/phaserunner/
Reach out we can set you up with everything you need
@@goldenmotorNA Thanks for the reply. Will it provide much benefit running from a 52V battery?
You would be able to run at a much higher discharge
@@Gusto0172 50A with phaserunner vs 30A with stock controller
Ok pretty cool Golden Motor. How about a race with the dual wheel drive ride in your other videos
th-cam.com/video/sGoLhPom-m8/w-d-xo.html
Did it in this video but we will need to build but a much higher amp discharge to it for it to even be close
Where is the best place to purchase a basic BBSHD kit?
We stock them
Please see link below
goldenmotor.bike/product-category/e-bike-mid-drive-kits/
That Surron has a limiter on it can go faster
Did the Sur Ron have the sine wave x controller?
It has stock surron controller
Not sure if this is proper comp, since suron isn't bicycle (at least 90% of them aren't) ....
i have a bbshd with 52v and 3,200w controller and a 60v 1500w hub with a 2000w controller . i like the hub better because the bbshd chews up chains and sprokets .
You have to have it geared close to a 1:1 ratio. 36t front 36t rear. Or 42t front 42t rear. That will last your drive train.
Out of stock.
Still out of stock
Should have done a top speed run on both bikes. Also you should have picked a warmer day.
Top speed info would have been nice...
the 72v is a winner in my eyes lets face it the SurRon is a motorbike getting away by being called an e-bike
Agreed. Not much of a fan of these grey area ebikes which are basically edirtbikes.
In the UK both these would be illegal but the suron is far more likely to be spotted by police.
Suron can be road legal though so commuting possible but still not legal on bike paths etc.
I have a Frey ex now for off road and a hub drive conversion for commuting.
how much would that red bike cost?
Around 3000 to 3500 AUD
Just to clarify, a 48 volt BBSHD can run at 72 volts with no problems?
No, 72V will kill the controller. You need a Ludricrous or a phase runner.
We only tuned in with no volume to see the race. I can't make it to it. Bye
I don’t get why he didn’t pedal tho it’s apart of the bbshd lol
Guy on the BBSHD cannot start. Why is he doing a pedal stroke? If he is on a smaller cog on the rear, then this is not an accurate race. On a big cog, the Bafang will start faster but not reach top speed of the surron. Ideally the Bafang should race on a 1:1 gear ratio, so lets say 44 tooth in the front 42 rear, which will just destroy the surron from a dead stop.
Don't seam to have very good acceleration. Maybe its the cold
Nice! Yeah I roll 72v
am I the only one who has yoch 1500 MD?
My next set up on my kona stinky 👌
music is too loud i cant hear them
BBSHD is the junkyard bike, or post war apolocaptic Mad Max type of bike.
You compare its wrong ... Big wheel vs Small whell .. you know ///
Switched off when you did the fake start
Fairly comparable.
We need range test
When doing introductions please take your helmets off!
No hub motor
Set's off in 1 😅
TESLA amps omg i neeed those now haha
60 amps!!
looks like michigan
This was in Bolton ON ;)
Just get to it
that's a Chinese surron
This is going to be a close one, yawn...
Very bad driver.... The rider on the bafang should change gears to maximize the power and speed. I can do it better on my stock bbs02 750w e.e
Your sound wind noise sucks