actually the only person who calls him Jiang Wanyin is Lan Zhan which is also the same person who holds a deep grudge against him because of the way he treated Wei Ying, so it does make sense that he would poke that wound kasbsksnk
"Since you treated the man I love badly and even lead a siege against him despite all that he's done for you, I'm calling you waking up alone with a nightmare so you can see how Wei Ying feels about being all alone without having anyone there to support him."
What hurts me the most is that in the novel when JC was telling WWX that he promised to be always together and if the lan sect had their Jade twins, the Yunmeng will have the hero brothers, WWX answered him "I'm sorry, brother. I broke my promise" but it was not animated and im crying cause JC is crying :c
@@patriciaespuheque1514 i've read the novel and I can't recall a single time where either of them call each other 'brother'. And it was JC who apologized to wwx not the other way round. I suppose promises are more important than human lives is it? Should've just let little A-yuan, the wen siblings, granny and the wens die, huh? It was a promise made by a weary teen to soothe another teen.Idk why the fandom fixates on it. It's not wwx's fault JC decided to throw away his morals and betray the people who saved his life. Idk what tragic ending he got bcz he seems to be pretty fine( compared to Jgy and xy) in canon.
@@Pallavi_here He apologized when they were in the "temple" fighting against MengYao, a little after the lovey-dovey confession and before JC hand over Cheqing to WWX when Chifeng-Zun corpse goes rampage. And yes I know that JC was wrong and does not think in Wens ppl suffering or they lives but for him (and in the ancient china culture) family was first and their promise was more important than any stranger's life. That is why WWX words was like "im sorry I didn't keep my promise but not sorry I wanted to pretect them so I did it" at least to me. And I know JC also knows WWX was right and that is why he hands over Chenquing to him and helps in the final battle (and at that moment he actually knew his golden core was WWX's)
@@patriciaespuheque1514 Except that wwx was never really family to JC. From the moment he's entered, JC threatens him with dogs, He's constantly singled out for punishment and whipped by zidian for something as stupid as not wearing a shirt on a hot summer day ( unfortunately Jc and the disciples encourage this behaviour by claiming that he protects them from danger). He has ' scars of old and new on his back' and has his dead parents insulted in front of him. JC never calls him 'brother' or even ' shixiong' and only calls him wwx. After getting whipped and nearly having his hand cut off by madam yu and getting ordered that he should protect JC even if he dies, he gets choked by her son and sacrifices his core for jc. It always bothered me how jgy got a very good social position for killing wen Ruohan, while wwx who practically won like 80% of the war gets NOTHING. JC could've established sworn brotherhood with him but he did'nt. When JYL died saving wwx, instead of keeping wwx close , JC decides to spit on her face by leading a seige against him. This is NOT how u treat family. And even if it did, is wwx not allowed to have a life other than being jc's servant? Let me ask you, If JFM had forced WC to stay with him instead of marrying the woman he loved, is that in any way right?? No. JC decided to do the exact opposite of his father. Do u know why JC fixates on this promise? WWX made this promise minutes before madam yu shouted that wwx will always be more powerful than jc and jc can never be higher than wwx. WWX said that he will be subordinate ( aka servant) to JC just like his father( but WC left the Jiang sect to marry his mom so wwx is'nt breaking any rules by protecting the wens). The thing is, this promise is the only way JC can ensure that WWX will always be under his control and beneath him.
@@patriciaespuheque1514 i do think Jc cares for wwx, only that this care is extremely conditional and possessive. The moment wwx puts a toe out of line, JC punishes him and even leads a seige against him and innocent people who he knew consisted of a child and old people. The problem is JC will not have WWX as anything but a subordinate. The time when he realises that he was the one in wrong, it's just way too late. JC had already killed the Wens and other innocent people who had *reminded* him of wwx. And he really didn't get the consequences for his actions either.
live action: wwx’s death : lan zhan says “jiang wanYin” also i think in live action, when he mocks Lan zhan when they bow to the jiang family - wwx scolds jc and says “Jiang WanYin!”
@@Kictor Not really. In other sects ppl call him as Jiang WanYin when he was young because their were not friends or familiar with him and JC still doesn't had any other special or noble name to be called. But yeah, when WWX died LZ call him by this name in a way that says we will never be familiar nor friends. And when WWX call him like that to scold him is like when your mother is really mad and says your full name with a cold angry voice. So he knew that there is not chance to appeal to familiarity nor anything, he will be scolded. Anyways, his friends and family always called him Jiang Cheng Is like when WWX and LZ fight a little after WWX returns from the Yiling mountain and thei call each other by their courtesy name (the only scene when LZ says Wei Wuxian instead of Wei Yin) it was like their were breaking their friedship u.u
@@echo3982 Yeah his title is SanDu ShengShou wich means "expert of the three poisons" but in the novel has no mention of when he obtain this title so idk if someeone calls him like this before the war
Jiang Cheng on the surface seems very headstrong. Which make people dislike him. People don't see what he went through. People don't like it when he is sometimes rude to Wuxian. But, you can start to imagine how he feels when you are suddenly knocked down to second from first because someone that was better came along. You can that as that showed in his other name. I have never call Jiang Cheng Jiang Wanyin, and I will never call him that.
@kkaradin yup. As much as i like the warm of jiang fengmian and the fierce of yu ziyuan, the one who has big responsibility that makes jc feel inferiority is them. When suddenly your father brought someone, make him share his thing to the other, release your pet, and paid more attention (albeit maybe unintended), to have a bitter and jealous feeling is reasonable. This apply to jzy too. How can she's not furious and jealous when his husband brought his lost love son to the house without saying anything to her. The need to prove that her son (and herself) is better than the son from his lost love is reasonable but at the same time it's put more weight to jc because he too want to prove himself. If only jfm talk and convince his family first before brought wwx to lotus pier, if only yzy choose her words better when talking to jc (blaming him that he can't win to wwx) and realize wwx is not the wrong in here (because the conflict is between jfm-yzy-cangse sanren not their kids), maybe the conection between jc and wwx will not this severe
Jiang Cheng's first name: "it means Crystal clear river/water"✨ Me: "Oooooooh~"🌸✨✨🌸 Jiang Cheng's second name: "HE'S IN PAIN, HE CAN'T SHARE HIS FEELINGS WITH NO ONE!!!"🔥🔥 Me: *screams in attacked* WAAAAAAAAH! HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME KICTOR? I'M HURT, POOR JIANG CHENG--"😭😭😭
Aghhhh... what gets me so riled up is its not Jiang Chengs fault or Wei Wuxians fault. They were kids. They should have never been pitted against one another or compared to one another. Jiang Cheng is very good. He's a pretty darn good fighter and cultivator. The problem is that Wei Ying just happened to be a prodigy. It's not fair that they were dragged into the parents shit. Or basically... into any of the grownups shit. These kids should have been able to grow up together. Train together. Basically make their own way without being compared to one another. Jiang Fengmian had given Jiang Cheng any bit of attention and praise. If Madam Wu had let go of her petty jealousy of a dead woman, who most likely did not have an affair with her husband, and stopped comparing the two whenever she could They would have been fine. Uggghhhhhhh sorry just.. another case where if people had just talked so much heartbreak could have been avoided.
Exactly! This is the "could've been the twin jades of Yunmeng" scenario like Jiang Cheng always wanted.....😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Lan Wangji and Lan Xichen is what they could've been.
There's a head-canon or theory that Madam Jiang was the one who chose the name Jiang Wanyin and the name was just never used due to the person. Same as how everyone calls Jin Ling, Jin Ling instead of Jin Rulan, because Wei WuXian gave that name.
Omg, you wake up from a nightmare late at night but there's no one around to talk to you, could it be a foreshadowing of him losing all of his family members and having no one to comfort him? :") that's heart-wrenching
Kictor: Oooh keep going I think everybody had a moment like that when it is about a char we like *inhales all information like Kirby* - so relatable 😂💕✨
SPOILER WARNING I do believe Lan Wangi calls him Jiang Wanyin after finding out the truth about his golden core and Jiang Cheng gets upset so to be called that in this particular moment is pretty accurate that he's waking up to the truth knowing that the reason why the rest of the story transpires the way it does is because of Jiang Cheng trying to possibly save Wei Wuxian thus causing his own nightmare
i think another reason why jiang cheng is never referred to as "jiang wanyin" is because no one is really in the place to call him jiang wanyin (from a social status/position and their relation to him) it's not as close as jiang cheng or a'cheng, but not as formal as jiang-gongzi or jiang-zongzhu, etc. i think there is one scene when nie huaisang called him wanyin-xiong at the cloud recesses. especially after wei wuxian's death, no one is really in that place to call him by his courtesy name without being disrespectful (like his former classmates). and wei wuxian still calls him by his birth name after his rebirth (unless it's a particularly impactful scene)
Jiang wan yin is also can be considered as reading poetry at the night,its a beautiful name. I believe when his parents gave him the name,they’re with positive intentions.however same Chinese words can represent different meaning. I believe that’s bc MXTX really did her work when giving names to her characters,so they can be explained in different layers,which makes her character more attractive.
Yeah. I’m not convinced by Ty’s interpretation. So there’s this…poem? …expression? And he thinks it’s connected? It’s certainly poetic and fitting. But is wan yin so specific to that particular idea? What about Reciting poetry late at night. Saying something too late? Fascinating and fun video tho. I enjoy these theories. Adds another layer of depth.
"But actually his name scored the highest out of everyone" "At least he has that" Damn that 'at least' really hurts. But to think i can fall in love more and more to jiang cheng just by description of his name, i glad i watch this video :')
Actually courtesy names (the 2nd name) can be chosen by oneself aswell once you come of age. The reason why he's not been called that name much is because usually friends or acquaintances of his generation would use it, and since he doesn't have any close friends no one is seen using it. Instead they call him the more polite but distant title of Sect Leader Jiang. Infact to use the birth name if you're not his elder or a close relative would be very rude. WWX uses "Jiang Cheng" because he's used to it and grew up with him. Lan zhan uses "Jiang Wan Yin" once at the end as a way to drop formality and convey seriousness (like I'm not being nice anymore) but he would not go as far as to use jiang Cheng since that would be hella rude and he ain't that type of guy. It's also why it riled lan zhan up so much when WWX calls him "lan zhan" when they were younger since it's openly quite informal, even his older brother calls him wangji and Lans are super formal and respectful. In ancient chinese times, most people had 2 names : a birth name and then a courtesy name either chosen by themselves or given by an elder/relative once you reach puberty. Prominent people had a title aswell. It also depended how close you were with the person on what you called them. Formality order goes like this: -Pet names/ nicknames. E.g A-cheng, A-ling, mian mian. Informal and your close with them. Used in family settings and very close friends - birth name E.g jiang Cheng, wei ying, lan zhan. Also informal and close family and friends/elders. - courtesy names E.g wei wu xian, lan wangji , jiang Wang Yin.- formal/friend/ acquaintances. if you ain't their bestie you'd call them this. - titles E.g Ze Wu Jun, Han Guang Jun, Sect leader Jiang/Nie/Jin, Yiling patriarch. Etc Utmost formality and respect. All juniors or subordinates would refer you like this otherwise its a bit of a slap in the face. In Asian cultures how you refer to someone is quite important and that's reflected in honorifics today, infact ommiting that formality can be considered rude by some people. Although people not using jiang Wang Yin or jiang Cheng doesn't really have much to do with symbolism or story telling it's really interesting to see how people interact and their relationships just by the way they refer to each other. Some examples that I found super interesting : - jiang cheng is the only friend of wwx to call him Wei Wu Xian and not wei xiong or wei ying even though they grew up together. Infront of people he tries to maintain an air of formality even tho they acted like brothers probably because he is the main family and wwx is a subordinate and he'd like to keep it that way. He would've called him wei ying when they were kids but somewhere along the way he would've made the change. - Wu(none/ no) Xian (envy). it is my head Canon that wwx choose his own courtesy name to tell the world he is not jealous of anyone, that he is his own unique person and carefree. - WWX calls alot of people by their birth names cause he's that kind of easy going, easy to befriend, easy to insult kind of guy. - lan zhan is the only person that always calls wwx "wei ying", at first as retaliation for calling him lan zhan or disrespect for his temperament but then later it becomes a sign of closeness and affection. - lan zhan calls his own brother Xiong Zhan which is a SUPER formal way to call an elder brother of high social standing. Which shows how significant it is that lan zhan calls wei ying by his birthname. But xichen calls his younger brother by his courtesy name wangji, to show he is one step less formal and more friendly but still respects his formailty. - jiang cheng calls jin ling " A-Ling" in the Q series, even though he's strict with jin ling, he only calls him jin ling infront of other people and calls him A-ling when they're alone. - xichen calls everyone he's friends with one step less formal name. Like A-yao (jin guangjyao), A-Ling (jin ling), wangji (LWJ) Da Ge (big bro for mingjue). even when most would be calling wwx "yiling patriarch", he calls him "Childe wei" which is less ominous and distant yet still respectful. Shows he's one big step friendlier than his younger brother. But he maintains "sect leader jiang" since they are not close. - at the start of the of the series the general public refers to WWX as Wei Wu Xian or Yiling patriarch( a title which is more infamous rather than respectful) but by the end of the series, they are all calling him Childe wei or Mr wei as if to forget about the whole Yiling thing and sweep it under the rug. Now THIS one is symbolic - Jiang Feng Mian calls Madam Yu, "Sang Niang", now I don't know what it means but it is a pet name and nobody but him uses it. Which signifies that once upon a time they WERE close and he only drops the full " YU ZI YUAN" when they fight. - Wwx family members call him " A-Xian" EXCEPT for Madam Yu, she never saw him as her own and opts for wei ying or wei wu xian infront of others. - the Lan sect and other sect juniors always called wwx "senior wei". They were always on his side and never disrespectful like the general public that vilified him. Sorry BIG tangent, but English subs always tend to drop the multiple names or honorifics for simplicity and help western audiences relate better. But what we lose is a world of relationships and characterisations all conveyed with one word and the way they address each other.
Jiang Feng Mian calls Madam Yu "San Niang" not "Sang". "San' means 'three/third' in Chinese because Madam Yu is the third Lady in her clan. and 'Niang' means wife. =>JFM calls her like that to show respect and closeness to his wife
What I find interesting is that wwx always knew about JC complex and issues, he mentions them multiple times. And I understand that wwx could do really nothing to help JC because if he tried it would hurt his brother more 😭
...he could point out what JC has accomplished. He never did. Near then end, he could easily have pointed out "you rebuilt Lotus Pier. Without me. You recruited people for the war. Without me. You raised Jin Ling despite not being married. Without me. You have done many things I could never do." Bam. When someone has a complex, having their accomplishments pointed out BY the person they have a complex on HELPS.
@@IceQueen975 but there is no guarantee right it will help because at that point JC had WWX’ core and WWX saying this things may just blow up by JC saying “ I was only able to accomplish all that because of your core “ to WWX. His complex towards WWX is mess and pointing out his success even at the end will just to do more damage because it was said by WWX. At the end I think some relations are just not meant to be and having a clean break and moving on separately from each other is the best course of action one can take.
@@aku6196 i totally believe and it wasn't as if WWX ever acted that he was superior to jc instead their were many instances he appreciated him and accepted him as the capable heir of the sect. And i know that his inferiority complex was nourished by his mother and his father negligence so all in all i believe that all the major issues in mdzs was adults mishandlings.
I understood Jiang WanYin 冮 晚吟 as river words spoken too late. wan can mean not just night but, in literary Chinese, also later, like later in life. yin can mean not just recite, in but also to make a sound (generally a loud soft loud soft sound, like groaning, or moaning cicadas or, according to the dictionary, squealing monkeys apparently). So I think wanyin mean “late words” or “words that come too late”. This fits with his character arc. In the books, he lead the first siege of burial mounds and the Jiang and the Jin were the biggest and most important forces. It is mentioned early in the book, in the Dafan mountain arc, that the siege would not have succeeded were it not for Jiang Cheng knowing Wei WuXian’s weaknesses. To plot to charge up with two armed armies of cultivators that killed everyone except an hidden boy, is definitely premeditated murder of not just Wei WuXian but also of the Wen sect refugees that Wei WuXian was trying to protect, whom Jiang Cheng knew to be innocent, old, weak, infirm or a child because he actually visited burial mounds and told Wei WuXian not to be a hero in trying to protect the Wens. (Tangent: I still don’t understand why when Wei WuXian told JC to just tell the rest of the cultivation world that they are broken up, why JC also added that WWX is now an enemy of the cultivation world). Anyways, imagine JC’s absolute horror and guilt when he realizes that he pushed away (*killed) the only person left who was willing to (and did) give up everything for him and his benefit. It’s also sad because at the end of the story, no one else is left who can rightfully call him Jiang Cheng - only Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng drove him away. It’s so gut-wrenching. 😭 😭
Yes Lan Zhan called him once. It's the part that Lan Zhan and Wei Wuxian paid respect to his late mom and dad and Jiang Cheng got mad to them saying it's disrespectful.
I always wonder why Lan Zhan it's the only one who calls him Jiang Wanyin and at first I thought it was because of Lan Zhan education, you know very well behave and following the etiquette, but now I think it was to mess with him in a quite polite way like: I'm not gonna call you Lider Jiang, Mr Jiang or Jiang Cheng, I will call you by your mess up name
Jiang Cheng became one of my favorite characters the deeper I went into the fandom. I really wish his story was resolved by the end. Oh well, that’s what I have fan fic for and Xicheng :)
In the live action, Lan Wangji only ever calls Jiang Cheng by his title but he calls him Jiang WanYin (which I believe is more formal than Jiang Cheng since his sister and Wei Wuxian both call him JC) at one tragic scene. But I don't know if you've reached it yet so....
Thank you Soo much for making a Jiang Cheng Video Kictor. He's my favourite character and I feel like he's the most misunderstood character in the story. We haven't seen his perspective but he's suffered soo much trauma
Okay. This is amazing. Chinese is such a beautiful language and I love when it just keeps unfolding meanings like a well-written story. Thank you, Kictor and Ty!
Kiktor, u just made love Jiang Cheng even more know. I mean, he was already mi favorite character in MDZS, so what do I do now with this insane amount of love???? ToT
Hot dog haven't been to a vid this early! honestly Jiang Cheng is such a tragic characters, and I am such a sucker for those types. Its just the flavor of their story that hits me right there in the feels.
This is probably irrelevant but I typed in all the MDZS characters' names in the fortune telling website thing that Ty references and below are characters with the top 5 scores (the results will surprise you): 1) 99.5% - Xiao Xingchen, Lan Qiren, Qin Su 2) 99.0% - Jiang Cheng, Yu Ziyuan 3) 97.0% - Jin Zixuan, Wen Ruohan, Su She 4) 95.0% - Wen Chao 😡 5) 94.0% - Lan Zhan, Lan Huan, Nie Huaisang, Wen Qing Honourable mentions to Mo Xuanyu (91.0%) and Jin Zixun (90.0%).
I've never been so early on your videos - very interesting information~♪ Some of the translation groups wrote the meanings of the names on the character list - but still got to learn sth. new 👁️👁️💕✨
*Lo más importante del video traducido al Español:* Jiang Cheng: Nombre dado por sus padres, usado para personas que son muy, muy cercanas a él. Jiang WangYin: Su otro nombre, pero es usado comúnmente por sus amigos o para las personas de su misma generación. Cada personaje Chino corresponde a uno de los 5 elementos, de los cuales son: el metal, la madera, el fuego, el agua y la tierra. “Jiang Cheng” corresponde al elemento agua. “Jiang” significa “río” y “Cheng” significa “Cristalino”, que se puede referir a un lago cristalino o río. Su nombre también puede relacionarse a la fortuna. Y con respecto a su otro nombre “Jiang WangYin”, es como una especie de destino triste. Lo cual lleva a decir que esta persona será afectada por Victorias y Pérdidas. Los personajes en la serie no lo llaman por su segundo nombre, le dicen más “Senior Jiang”, “Líder Jiang”. _PD: Sin embargo, Lan WangJi sí lo ha llamado “Jiang WangYin”, pero no lo hace porque sean amigos, sino porque son parte de la misma generación._
At the end of the second season, as it is ending and Wen Ning reveals what happened to Wei Wuxian's golden core and Jiang Cheng is trying to fight him on the dock - Lan Zhan calls Jiang Cheng by his second name and hits when with his spirit power. It's right as they are getting in the boat to leave; Jiang Cheng comes racing after them to continue the fight and Lan Wangi turns an yells his 2nd name in his face and blast his crown off. The scene just reminded him of who he truly is and that he would never be better than Wei Ying. Now, having the name break down oh my ...this child is really pathetic pitiful. Check it out!!!
I think that his mother gave him the name wanyin to show off in front of jiang fengmian, because she's so affected of the rumors. But it's only a guess
The one thing I wanted to see in the novel is wei ying and jiang cheng properly reconciling or at least have a more proper talk to finally let go of all those feelings especially for jiang cheng because after all those years he really had no one beside him. He had to raise jin ling all by himself while rebuilding his clan. If I were in his shoes I would've killed myself already from the stress and pressure. Sure, wei ying and jiang cheng's relationship will not be the same as it was before but MXTX could've at least given them a proper closure. In the end, wei ying has lan zhan who is literally his biggest support in his life, his shoulder to cry on, his soulmate, etc. But jiang cheng literally has no one to be by his side, his support, his shoulder to cry on. He may have jin ling, but what would a teen like him know about jiang cheng's complex feelings after all that shit.
Oof! I wonder if the absence of anyone saying Jiang Wanyin is a nod to that he really doesn't have any of those casual peer relationships with others? Like, as a teen or as the clan leader later on, nobody was familiar enough with him to justify its use. HE'S A LONELY BOY
Jiang Cheng will always be my favourite. He did so much but got so less in return. If I wouldn't have been tired after a long day of work I would've commented a whole ass essay, how Jiang Cheng is the most miserable and misunderstood character.
This is so interesting!!! (and sad 😥) I find it so nice that his name comes from a poem! And I always love to see the differences between portuguese (my language), english and chinese/mandarin (witch I don't speak, but really want to learn). You can see, just by how they are written a whole world of difference in culture. Like, if I were to write a poem with a single line in portuguese I doubt it would even be considered as such. I had seen (in fanfics, I think?) that Wanyin would be something like "to chant the night", but it was taken in a sort of romantic way, and definitely did not know the sad part... As far as I remember, in canon, everyone who calls him Wanyin does so in an insulting way (at least, I think??), either the older sect leaders when he is young and already a sect leader on his own, or Lan Wangji, because of the grudge he holds against him, especially considering LWJ should be calling him Sect Leader Jiang/Sandu Shengshou considering their "society levels".
I've always been annoyed because from the beginning of the novel everyone calls JC by his birth name but he and JYL, who considers WY to be his brother, only call him by his courtesy name. Now it makes a bit more sense. And in every novel there are two moments when WY fights with JC and calls him Jiang WanYin
As Jiang Cheng, the person, the name he was born to- he brought back a nearly dead sect to become the foremost of sects in about 15 years. As Jiang Wanyin, the name given to him for others, he lost everything.
I love jiang cheng so much, I feel so sorry for him, but it‘s so hard to love him too, because he has so much anger and pain inside him, especially for wei wuxian and he could never get over it and I think his behaviour towards wwx is not fair… he could never conclude with all this pain and his past but wwx did everything for him and kept his promise to protect him even after death (golden core)… what i‘m trying to say is, that wwx would probably forgive jc if he would just get over his pride and also acknowledge his own mistakes and apologies to him… but this is never gonna happen… and that‘s why I love him but also dislike him for his behaviour towards wwx… because they both had heavy losses and jiang cheng is the one of them who couldn‘t get over all…wwx could move on, he didn‘t 🥲 it hurts so much I could cry again and his name is just as tragic…🥲🥲
So "his name scored the highest out of everyone". You could think of that like him having the most POTENTIAL. But his second name explains why he never reached that potential [SPOILERS] Jin Yao even tells him (I'm paraphrasing, and it wasn't an official translation I read it off of, so take it with a grain of salt) "You flatter me. My little whispers didn't have the power to turn you against your brother, and I'm not the only one who wanted that outcome. If you and your brother had stood united, NO ONE would have dared whisper. But we all saw the rift... your jealousy and resentment, your brother's arrogance and secrecy... the two of you were responsible for that. The difference between you and your brother is that he learned. He acknowleged his vices, he accepted responsibility for his mistakes, and he grew in oreder to make amends. My little whispers, unfortunately, don't work on him anymore. But you? You're still the same, petty, grieving little boy that lashed out, drew his sword, and ran his own brother through."
Thanks for the info! It looks like the scene in the GuanYin Temple. But I couldn't find anything close to this text in the 3 independent translations I have (Er non-official, non-English non-official and non-English official). Is my guess correct that this the JGY and JC scene in the Temple after JC hits JGY sore spot related to JGY's mother?
Indeed Jiang Wanyin is more proper than calling him by his birth name, but i think the more proper way to call him is 'Sect Leader Jiang'. So maybe this is just my feeling, but i agree that Lan Zhan kinda disrespect him by not calling him Sect Leader Jiang
Totally wrong, members of Jiang family have names corresponding to each other, their parents name come from 江枫渔火对愁眠 ， suggesting their unhappy marriage, this is a poem made at night, and that’s his name 晚吟
Read the TGCF manhua here! bit.ly/3DA9aLg (Same authour as MDZS!)
kictor holding her JC plushie while listening to ty reminds me of a mother holding her child while the doctor tells her the results of the appointment
LMAO AWWWW
actually the only person who calls him Jiang Wanyin is Lan Zhan which is also the same person who holds a deep grudge against him because of the way he treated Wei Ying, so it does make sense that he would poke that wound kasbsksnk
That is so awesome, such good storytelling aAGHHH
"Since you treated the man I love badly and even lead a siege against him despite all that he's done for you, I'm calling you waking up alone with a nightmare so you can see how Wei Ying feels about being all alone without having anyone there to support him."
@@Kalistorydreamer lol exactly aksbsksk
Heehee 😉😊
In canon or fanfiction, these two can't get along.
It just feels really serious when someone calls him Jiang Wanyin. It's like when your parent calls your full name including your middle name.
Still hurts that he ended up crying and that was his final appearance
What hurts me the most is that in the novel when JC was telling WWX that he promised to be always together and if the lan sect had their Jade twins, the Yunmeng will have the hero brothers, WWX answered him "I'm sorry, brother. I broke my promise" but it was not animated and im crying cause JC is crying :c
@@patriciaespuheque1514 i've read the novel and I can't recall a single time where either of them call each other 'brother'. And it was JC who apologized to wwx not the other way round.
I suppose promises are more important than human lives is it? Should've just let little A-yuan, the wen siblings, granny and the wens die, huh? It was a promise made by a weary teen to soothe another teen.Idk why the fandom fixates on it. It's not wwx's fault JC decided to throw away his morals and betray the people who saved his life. Idk what tragic ending he got bcz he seems to be pretty fine( compared to Jgy and xy) in canon.
@@Pallavi_here He apologized when they were in the "temple" fighting against MengYao, a little after the lovey-dovey confession and before JC hand over Cheqing to WWX when Chifeng-Zun corpse goes rampage.
And yes I know that JC was wrong and does not think in Wens ppl suffering or they lives but for him (and in the ancient china culture) family was first and their promise was more important than any stranger's life.
That is why WWX words was like "im sorry I didn't keep my promise but not sorry I wanted to pretect them so I did it" at least to me. And I know JC also knows WWX was right and that is why he hands over Chenquing to him and helps in the final battle (and at that moment he actually knew his golden core was WWX's)
@@patriciaespuheque1514 Except that wwx was never really family to JC. From the moment he's entered, JC threatens him with dogs, He's constantly singled out for punishment and whipped by zidian for something as stupid as not wearing a shirt on a hot summer day ( unfortunately Jc and the disciples encourage this behaviour by claiming that he protects them from danger). He has ' scars of old and new on his back' and has his dead parents insulted in front of him. JC never calls him 'brother' or even ' shixiong' and only calls him wwx. After getting whipped and nearly having his hand cut off by madam yu and getting ordered that he should protect JC even if he dies, he gets choked by her son and sacrifices his core for jc. It always bothered me how jgy got a very good social position for killing wen Ruohan, while wwx who practically won like 80% of the war gets NOTHING. JC could've established sworn brotherhood with him but he did'nt. When JYL died saving wwx, instead of keeping wwx close , JC decides to spit on her face by leading a seige against him. This is NOT how u treat family.
And even if it did, is wwx not allowed to have a life other than being jc's servant? Let me ask you, If JFM had forced WC to stay with him instead of marrying the woman he loved, is that in any way right?? No. JC decided to do the exact opposite of his father. Do u know why JC fixates on this promise?
WWX made this promise minutes before madam yu shouted that wwx will always be more powerful than jc and jc can never be higher than wwx.
WWX said that he will be subordinate ( aka servant) to JC just like his father( but WC left the Jiang sect to marry his mom so wwx is'nt breaking any rules by protecting the wens).
The thing is, this promise is the only way JC can ensure that WWX will always be under his control and beneath him.
@@patriciaespuheque1514 i do think Jc cares for wwx, only that this care is extremely conditional and possessive. The moment wwx puts a toe out of line, JC punishes him and even leads a seige against him and innocent people who he knew consisted of a child and old people. The problem is JC will not have WWX as anything but a subordinate. The time when he realises that he was the one in wrong, it's just way too late. JC had already killed the Wens and other innocent people who had *reminded* him of wwx. And he really didn't get the consequences for his actions either.
Jiang Cheng is such a sad character but I love him so much like he deserved so much better😭
live action: wwx’s death : lan zhan says “jiang wanYin”
also i think in live action, when he mocks Lan zhan when they bow to the jiang family - wwx scolds jc and says “Jiang WanYin!”
Oh dayyyum so they kind of use it as an insult
@@Kictor Not really. In other sects ppl call him as Jiang WanYin when he was young because their were not friends or familiar with him and JC still doesn't had any other special or noble name to be called. But yeah, when WWX died LZ call him by this name in a way that says we will never be familiar nor friends. And when WWX call him like that to scold him is like when your mother is really mad and says your full name with a cold angry voice. So he knew that there is not chance to appeal to familiarity nor anything, he will be scolded.
Anyways, his friends and family always called him Jiang Cheng
Is like when WWX and LZ fight a little after WWX returns from the Yiling mountain and thei call each other by their courtesy name (the only scene when LZ says Wei Wuxian instead of Wei Yin) it was like their were breaking their friedship u.u
doesn’t he have the title of something like “Sandu sanshou”
maybe i’m wrong
@@echo3982 Yeah his title is SanDu ShengShou wich means "expert of the three poisons" but in the novel has no mention of when he obtain this title so idk if someeone calls him like this before the war
Ok now I'm really angry at wei wuxian and lan zhan
Jiang Cheng on the surface seems very headstrong. Which make people dislike him. People don't see what he went through. People don't like it when he is sometimes rude to Wuxian. But, you can start to imagine how he feels when you are suddenly knocked down to second from first because someone that was better came along. You can that as that showed in his other name. I have never call Jiang Cheng Jiang Wanyin, and I will never call him that.
@kkaradin yup. As much as i like the warm of jiang fengmian and the fierce of yu ziyuan, the one who has big responsibility that makes jc feel inferiority is them. When suddenly your father brought someone, make him share his thing to the other, release your pet, and paid more attention (albeit maybe unintended), to have a bitter and jealous feeling is reasonable. This apply to jzy too. How can she's not furious and jealous when his husband brought his lost love son to the house without saying anything to her. The need to prove that her son (and herself) is better than the son from his lost love is reasonable but at the same time it's put more weight to jc because he too want to prove himself. If only jfm talk and convince his family first before brought wwx to lotus pier, if only yzy choose her words better when talking to jc (blaming him that he can't win to wwx) and realize wwx is not the wrong in here (because the conflict is between jfm-yzy-cangse sanren not their kids), maybe the conection between jc and wwx will not this severe
Jiang Cheng's first name: "it means Crystal clear river/water"✨
Me: "Oooooooh~"🌸✨✨🌸
Jiang Cheng's second name: "HE'S IN PAIN, HE CAN'T SHARE HIS FEELINGS WITH NO ONE!!!"🔥🔥
Me: *screams in attacked* WAAAAAAAAH! HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME KICTOR? I'M HURT, POOR JIANG CHENG--"😭😭😭
Aghhhh... what gets me so riled up is its not Jiang Chengs fault or Wei Wuxians fault.
They were kids. They should have never been pitted against one another or compared to one another.
Jiang Cheng is very good. He's a pretty darn good fighter and cultivator. The problem is that Wei Ying just happened to be a prodigy.
It's not fair that they were dragged into the parents shit. Or basically... into any of the grownups shit.
These kids should have been able to grow up together. Train together. Basically make their own way without being compared to one another.
Jiang Fengmian had given Jiang Cheng any bit of attention and praise. If Madam Wu had let go of her petty jealousy of a dead woman, who most likely did not have an affair with her husband, and stopped comparing the two whenever she could They would have been fine.
Uggghhhhhhh sorry just.. another case where if people had just talked so much heartbreak could have been avoided.
Exactly! This is the "could've been the twin jades of Yunmeng" scenario like Jiang Cheng always wanted.....😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Lan Wangji and Lan Xichen is what they could've been.
I love this story so much.
I love Jiang Chang so much! He's such a sad character but he's also realistic
There's a head-canon or theory that Madam Jiang was the one who chose the name Jiang Wanyin and the name was just never used due to the person. Same as how everyone calls Jin Ling, Jin Ling instead of Jin Rulan, because Wei WuXian gave that name.
Omg, you wake up from a nightmare late at night but there's no one around to talk to you, could it be a foreshadowing of him losing all of his family members and having no one to comfort him? :") that's heart-wrenching
Kictor: "That's sad!"
Also Kictor: *painful laugh intensifies*
Kictor: Oooh keep going
I think everybody had a moment like that when it is about a char we like
*inhales all information like Kirby*
- so relatable 😂💕✨
SPOILER WARNING I do believe Lan Wangi calls him Jiang Wanyin after finding out the truth about his golden core and Jiang Cheng gets upset so to be called that in this particular moment is pretty accurate that he's waking up to the truth knowing that the reason why the rest of the story transpires the way it does is because of Jiang Cheng trying to possibly save Wei Wuxian thus causing his own nightmare
YIKES
@@Kictor ikr ahhhhh 😖
i think another reason why jiang cheng is never referred to as "jiang wanyin" is because no one is really in the place to call him jiang wanyin (from a social status/position and their relation to him)
it's not as close as jiang cheng or a'cheng, but not as formal as jiang-gongzi or jiang-zongzhu, etc. i think there is one scene when nie huaisang called him wanyin-xiong at the cloud recesses. especially after wei wuxian's death, no one is really in that place to call him by his courtesy name without being disrespectful (like his former classmates). and wei wuxian still calls him by his birth name after his rebirth (unless it's a particularly impactful scene)
Omgosh I love how you added photos to those poems!!!! I should have done that XDDDD
Hahaha I wanted him to have a pretty river :')
Question what site did you use
Man, I feel so awful for Jiang Cheng. Even worse that I know Wei Wuxian cared more about his little brother than being competitive with him 🥲
Jiang wan yin is also can be considered as reading poetry at the night,its a beautiful name. I believe when his parents gave him the name,they’re with positive intentions.however same Chinese words can represent different meaning. I believe that’s bc MXTX really did her work when giving names to her characters,so they can be explained in different layers,which makes her character more attractive.
Yeah. I’m not convinced by Ty’s interpretation. So there’s this…poem? …expression? And he thinks it’s connected? It’s certainly poetic and fitting. But is wan yin so specific to that particular idea?
What about
Reciting poetry late at night.
Saying something too late?
Fascinating and fun video tho. I enjoy these theories. Adds another layer of depth.
Thank you for both of your comments!!!! 🪷
"But actually his name scored the highest out of everyone"
"At least he has that"
Damn that 'at least' really hurts. But to think i can fall in love more and more to jiang cheng just by description of his name, i glad i watch this video :')
He's definitely the most tragic character in MDZ :( He just wants a family and to be able to protect them...
Jiang Cheng got 99problems but Wei Wuxian ain't one--
Jiang Wanyin: I got 99 problems and Wei Ying is the cause of them all!
I CAN'T--
Actually courtesy names (the 2nd name) can be chosen by oneself aswell once you come of age. The reason why he's not been called that name much is because usually friends or acquaintances of his generation would use it, and since he doesn't have any close friends no one is seen using it. Instead they call him the more polite but distant title of Sect Leader Jiang. Infact to use the birth name if you're not his elder or a close relative would be very rude. WWX uses "Jiang Cheng" because he's used to it and grew up with him. Lan zhan uses "Jiang Wan Yin" once at the end as a way to drop formality and convey seriousness (like I'm not being nice anymore) but he would not go as far as to use jiang Cheng since that would be hella rude and he ain't that type of guy. It's also why it riled lan zhan up so much when WWX calls him "lan zhan" when they were younger since it's openly quite informal, even his older brother calls him wangji and Lans are super formal and respectful.
In ancient chinese times, most people had 2 names : a birth name and then a courtesy name either chosen by themselves or given by an elder/relative once you reach puberty. Prominent people had a title aswell. It also depended how close you were with the person on what you called them.
Formality order goes like this:
-Pet names/ nicknames.
E.g A-cheng, A-ling, mian mian. Informal and your close with them. Used in family settings and very close friends
- birth name
E.g jiang Cheng, wei ying, lan zhan. Also informal and close family and friends/elders.
- courtesy names
E.g wei wu xian, lan wangji , jiang Wang Yin.- formal/friend/ acquaintances. if you ain't their bestie you'd call them this.
- titles
E.g Ze Wu Jun, Han Guang Jun, Sect leader Jiang/Nie/Jin, Yiling patriarch. Etc
Utmost formality and respect. All juniors or subordinates would refer you like this otherwise its a bit of a slap in the face.
In Asian cultures how you refer to someone is quite important and that's reflected in honorifics today, infact ommiting that formality can be considered rude by some people.
Although people not using jiang Wang Yin or jiang Cheng doesn't really have much to do with symbolism or story telling it's really interesting to see how people interact and their relationships just by the way they refer to each other.
Some examples that I found super interesting :
- jiang cheng is the only friend of wwx to call him Wei Wu Xian and not wei xiong or wei ying even though they grew up together. Infront of people he tries to maintain an air of formality even tho they acted like brothers probably because he is the main family and wwx is a subordinate and he'd like to keep it that way. He would've called him wei ying when they were kids but somewhere along the way he would've made the change.
- Wu(none/ no) Xian (envy). it is my head Canon that wwx choose his own courtesy name to tell the world he is not jealous of anyone, that he is his own unique person and carefree.
- WWX calls alot of people by their birth names cause he's that kind of easy going, easy to befriend, easy to insult kind of guy.
- lan zhan is the only person that always calls wwx "wei ying", at first as retaliation for calling him lan zhan or disrespect for his temperament but then later it becomes a sign of closeness and affection.
- lan zhan calls his own brother Xiong Zhan which is a SUPER formal way to call an elder brother of high social standing. Which shows how significant it is that lan zhan calls wei ying by his birthname. But xichen calls his younger brother by his courtesy name wangji, to show he is one step less formal and more friendly but still respects his formailty.
- jiang cheng calls jin ling " A-Ling" in the Q series, even though he's strict with jin ling, he only calls him jin ling infront of other people and calls him A-ling when they're alone.
- xichen calls everyone he's friends with one step less formal name. Like A-yao (jin guangjyao), A-Ling (jin ling), wangji (LWJ) Da Ge (big bro for mingjue). even when most would be calling wwx "yiling patriarch", he calls him "Childe wei" which is less ominous and distant yet still respectful. Shows he's one big step friendlier than his younger brother. But he maintains "sect leader jiang" since they are not close.
- at the start of the of the series the general public refers to WWX as Wei Wu Xian or Yiling patriarch( a title which is more infamous rather than respectful) but by the end of the series, they are all calling him Childe wei or Mr wei as if to forget about the whole Yiling thing and sweep it under the rug. Now THIS one is symbolic
- Jiang Feng Mian calls Madam Yu, "Sang Niang", now I don't know what it means but it is a pet name and nobody but him uses it. Which signifies that once upon a time they WERE close and he only drops the full " YU ZI YUAN" when they fight.
- Wwx family members call him " A-Xian" EXCEPT for Madam Yu, she never saw him as her own and opts for wei ying or wei wu xian infront of others.
- the Lan sect and other sect juniors always called wwx "senior wei". They were always on his side and never disrespectful like the general public that vilified him.
Sorry BIG tangent, but English subs always tend to drop the multiple names or honorifics for simplicity and help western audiences relate better. But what we lose is a world of relationships and characterisations all conveyed with one word and the way they address each other.
Greatness thank you for explaining the differences with the addressing of titles
Jiang Feng Mian calls Madam Yu "San Niang" not "Sang". "San' means 'three/third' in Chinese because Madam Yu is the third Lady in her clan. and 'Niang' means wife. =>JFM calls her like that to show respect and closeness to his wife
JFM and YZY couldn't tolerate each other from before CSR came down from her mountain. Chapter Three Poisons. 3 Poisons 1 in ER.
My favourite character jiang cheng 🤧🤧😍😍😍😘😘😘
Omg his character was already so amazing, the names added so much more to it.
What I find interesting is that wwx always knew about JC complex and issues, he mentions them multiple times. And I understand that wwx could do really nothing to help JC because if he tried it would hurt his brother more 😭
...he could point out what JC has accomplished. He never did. Near then end, he could easily have pointed out "you rebuilt Lotus Pier. Without me. You recruited people for the war. Without me. You raised Jin Ling despite not being married. Without me. You have done many things I could never do." Bam. When someone has a complex, having their accomplishments pointed out BY the person they have a complex on HELPS.
@@IceQueen975 but there is no guarantee right it will help because at that point JC had WWX’ core and WWX saying this things may just blow up by JC saying “ I was only able to accomplish all that because of your core “ to WWX. His complex towards WWX is mess and pointing out his success even at the end will just to do more damage because it was said by WWX. At the end I think some relations are just not meant to be and having a clean break and moving on separately from each other is the best course of action one can take.
@@aku6196 i totally believe and it wasn't as if WWX ever acted that he was superior to jc instead their were many instances he appreciated him and accepted him as the capable heir of the sect. And i know that his inferiority complex was nourished by his mother and his father negligence so all in all i believe that all the major issues in mdzs was adults mishandlings.
@@stardream7 I agree 100%, many times it's the adults around children ho harbor their insecurities and complexes
I understood Jiang WanYin 冮 晚吟 as river words spoken too late. wan can mean not just night but, in literary Chinese, also later, like later in life. yin can mean not just recite, in but also to make a sound (generally a loud soft loud soft sound, like groaning, or moaning cicadas or, according to the dictionary, squealing monkeys apparently). So I think wanyin mean “late words” or “words that come too late”. This fits with his character arc. In the books, he lead the first siege of burial mounds and the Jiang and the Jin were the biggest and most important forces. It is mentioned early in the book, in the Dafan mountain arc, that the siege would not have succeeded were it not for Jiang Cheng knowing Wei WuXian’s weaknesses. To plot to charge up with two armed armies of cultivators that killed everyone except an hidden boy, is definitely premeditated murder of not just Wei WuXian but also of the Wen sect refugees that Wei WuXian was trying to protect, whom Jiang Cheng knew to be innocent, old, weak, infirm or a child because he actually visited burial mounds and told Wei WuXian not to be a hero in trying to protect the Wens. (Tangent: I still don’t understand why when Wei WuXian told JC to just tell the rest of the cultivation world that they are broken up, why JC also added that WWX is now an enemy of the cultivation world). Anyways, imagine JC’s absolute horror and guilt when he realizes that he pushed away (*killed) the only person left who was willing to (and did) give up everything for him and his benefit. It’s also sad because at the end of the story, no one else is left who can rightfully call him Jiang Cheng - only Wei WuXian and Jiang Cheng drove him away. It’s so gut-wrenching. 😭 😭
I think Lan Zhan called him Jiang Wanyin once, when he was not very happy, but I don't remember exactly on what occasion.
Yes Lan Zhan called him once. It's the part that Lan Zhan and Wei Wuxian paid respect to his late mom and dad and Jiang Cheng got mad to them saying it's disrespectful.
He just a really sad boy, I want to hug him so badly T_T
I always wonder why Lan Zhan it's the only one who calls him Jiang Wanyin and at first I thought it was because of Lan Zhan education, you know very well behave and following the etiquette, but now I think it was to mess with him in a quite polite way like: I'm not gonna call you Lider Jiang, Mr Jiang or Jiang Cheng, I will call you by your mess up name
Jiang Cheng became one of my favorite characters the deeper I went into the fandom. I really wish his story was resolved by the end. Oh well, that’s what I have fan fic for and Xicheng :)
In the live action, Lan Wangji only ever calls Jiang Cheng by his title but he calls him Jiang WanYin (which I believe is more formal than Jiang Cheng since his sister and Wei Wuxian both call him JC) at one tragic scene. But I don't know if you've reached it yet so....
Thank you Soo much for making a Jiang Cheng Video Kictor. He's my favourite character and I feel like he's the most misunderstood character in the story. We haven't seen his perspective but he's suffered soo much trauma
Okay. This is amazing. Chinese is such a beautiful language and I love when it just keeps unfolding meanings like a well-written story. Thank you, Kictor and Ty!
Kiktor, u just made love Jiang Cheng even more know. I mean, he was already mi favorite character in MDZS, so what do I do now with this insane amount of love???? ToT
I'm learning soo much from your channel ❤❤
The lonely nightmare was well hidden under the crystal lake
I haven't seen the vid yet but I bet it's gonna be about how JC's courtesy name means "Night Cry" as in the last thing we saw him do in the donghua
Mo Xiang Tong Xiu is the real villain T^T
Hot dog haven't been to a vid this early! honestly Jiang Cheng is such a tragic characters, and I am such a sucker for those types. Its just the flavor of their story that hits me right there in the feels.
This is probably irrelevant but I typed in all the MDZS characters' names in the fortune telling website thing that Ty references and below are characters with the top 5 scores (the results will surprise you):
1) 99.5% - Xiao Xingchen, Lan Qiren, Qin Su
2) 99.0% - Jiang Cheng, Yu Ziyuan
3) 97.0% - Jin Zixuan, Wen Ruohan, Su She
4) 95.0% - Wen Chao 😡
5) 94.0% - Lan Zhan, Lan Huan, Nie Huaisang, Wen Qing
Honourable mentions to Mo Xuanyu (91.0%) and Jin Zixun (90.0%).
Ooh what is the website?
Omg pleasepleaseplease I wanna know this site.
can you give me a link to the website?
i was so focused on the jiang cheng plush the entire video and the way kictor is just holding him is making me crack up
The last ep of season 3 after the whole golden core reveal has Lan Wangji called him Jiang Wanyin. After hearing this, now it gets even more sadder.
I love that doll and I really enjoy listening to both of you.
And the fact that how JC's name relates to water fits his clan so perfectly!
Jiang Cheng 😭😭😭😭
I've never been so early on your videos - very interesting information~♪ Some of the translation groups wrote the meanings of the names on the character list - but still got to learn sth. new 👁️👁️💕✨
*Lo más importante del video traducido al Español:*
Jiang Cheng: Nombre dado por sus padres, usado para personas que son muy, muy cercanas a él.
Jiang WangYin: Su otro nombre, pero es usado comúnmente por sus amigos o para las personas de su misma generación.
Cada personaje Chino corresponde a uno de los 5 elementos, de los cuales son: el metal, la madera, el fuego, el agua y la tierra.
“Jiang Cheng” corresponde al elemento agua.
“Jiang” significa “río” y “Cheng” significa “Cristalino”, que se puede referir a un lago cristalino o río. Su nombre también puede relacionarse a la fortuna.
Y con respecto a su otro nombre “Jiang WangYin”, es como una especie de destino triste. Lo cual lleva a decir que esta persona será afectada por Victorias y Pérdidas.
Los personajes en la serie no lo llaman por su segundo nombre, le dicen más “Senior Jiang”, “Líder Jiang”.
_PD: Sin embargo, Lan WangJi sí lo ha llamado “Jiang WangYin”, pero no lo hace porque sean amigos, sino porque son parte de la misma generación._
At the end of the second season, as it is ending and Wen Ning reveals what happened to Wei Wuxian's golden core and Jiang Cheng is trying to fight him on the dock - Lan Zhan calls Jiang Cheng by his second name and hits when with his spirit power. It's right as they are getting in the boat to leave; Jiang Cheng comes racing after them to continue the fight and Lan Wangi turns an yells his 2nd name in his face and blast his crown off. The scene just reminded him of who he truly is and that he would never be better than Wei Ying. Now, having the name break down oh my ...this child is really pathetic pitiful. Check it out!!!
I think that his mother gave him the name wanyin to show off in front of jiang fengmian, because she's so affected of the rumors. But it's only a guess
The one thing I wanted to see in the novel is wei ying and jiang cheng properly reconciling or at least have a more proper talk to finally let go of all those feelings especially for jiang cheng because after all those years he really had no one beside him. He had to raise jin ling all by himself while rebuilding his clan. If I were in his shoes I would've killed myself already from the stress and pressure. Sure, wei ying and jiang cheng's relationship will not be the same as it was before but MXTX could've at least given them a proper closure. In the end, wei ying has lan zhan who is literally his biggest support in his life, his shoulder to cry on, his soulmate, etc. But jiang cheng literally has no one to be by his side, his support, his shoulder to cry on. He may have jin ling, but what would a teen like him know about jiang cheng's complex feelings after all that shit.
Oof! I wonder if the absence of anyone saying Jiang Wanyin is a nod to that he really doesn't have any of those casual peer relationships with others? Like, as a teen or as the clan leader later on, nobody was familiar enough with him to justify its use. HE'S A LONELY BOY
Jiang Cheng will always be my favourite. He did so much but got so less in return. If I wouldn't have been tired after a long day of work I would've commented a whole ass essay, how Jiang Cheng is the most miserable and misunderstood character.
Ikr? He is my favorite too. I just see so much myself in him.
@@anemokinesis he's a relatable character, I'll marry him without a second thought, if I could 😭
Lan Zhan calls Jiang Cheng "Jang Wanyin" in the drama when he is about to kill Wei Wuxian.
JC!!!!
This is so interesting!!! (and sad 😥)
I find it so nice that his name comes from a poem! And I always love to see the differences between portuguese (my language), english and chinese/mandarin (witch I don't speak, but really want to learn). You can see, just by how they are written a whole world of difference in culture. Like, if I were to write a poem with a single line in portuguese I doubt it would even be considered as such.
I had seen (in fanfics, I think?) that Wanyin would be something like "to chant the night", but it was taken in a sort of romantic way, and definitely did not know the sad part...
As far as I remember, in canon, everyone who calls him Wanyin does so in an insulting way (at least, I think??), either the older sect leaders when he is young and already a sect leader on his own, or Lan Wangji, because of the grudge he holds against him, especially considering LWJ should be calling him Sect Leader Jiang/Sandu Shengshou considering their "society levels".
somewhere I founded that cheng means not only clear, but also like invisible, unseen 😅
There is actually a river in Asia (not sure where exactly, probably China) that is called Chang Jiang (or something of that sort)!
Ohhhh JIUJIU 🍇🍇🍇🍇
I was about to sleep cause its 2 am here but now, i guess i'll cry until 6 am
My local therapist will know about this.
Really good video you should do more of these
The background music 🥺🥺🥺
Im willing to give him another chance. Hes my fev i love him.
*Kictor* : in Canada
*Me* : in Europe
Video post 2 hours ago
*Me* : OMG I'm so earlyyyy!!!!!
I've always been annoyed because from the beginning of the novel everyone calls JC by his birth name but he and JYL, who considers WY to be his brother, only call him by his courtesy name. Now it makes a bit more sense. And in every novel there are two moments when WY fights with JC and calls him Jiang WanYin
As Jiang Cheng, the person, the name he was born to- he brought back a nearly dead sect to become the foremost of sects in about 15 years.
As Jiang Wanyin, the name given to him for others, he lost everything.
Lan zhan calls him that OOF lol
I love jiang cheng so much, I feel so sorry for him, but it‘s so hard to love him too, because he has so much anger and pain inside him, especially for wei wuxian and he could never get over it and I think his behaviour towards wwx is not fair… he could never conclude with all this pain and his past but wwx did everything for him and kept his promise to protect him even after death (golden core)… what i‘m trying to say is, that wwx would probably forgive jc if he would just get over his pride and also acknowledge his own mistakes and apologies to him… but this is never gonna happen… and that‘s why I love him but also dislike him for his behaviour towards wwx… because they both had heavy losses and jiang cheng is the one of them who couldn‘t get over all…wwx could move on, he didn‘t 🥲 it hurts so much I could cry again and his name is just as tragic…🥲🥲
voy a rememorar todas las escenas de fanfics donde Lan Xichen llama Jiang Wanyin a acheng para dejar de sentirme triste por mi bebé
So "his name scored the highest out of everyone". You could think of that like him having the most POTENTIAL. But his second name explains why he never reached that potential
[SPOILERS] Jin Yao even tells him (I'm paraphrasing, and it wasn't an official translation I read it off of, so take it with a grain of salt) "You flatter me. My little whispers didn't have the power to turn you against your brother, and I'm not the only one who wanted that outcome. If you and your brother had stood united, NO ONE would have dared whisper. But we all saw the rift... your jealousy and resentment, your brother's arrogance and secrecy... the two of you were responsible for that. The difference between you and your brother is that he learned. He acknowleged his vices, he accepted responsibility for his mistakes, and he grew in oreder to make amends. My little whispers, unfortunately, don't work on him anymore. But you? You're still the same, petty, grieving little boy that lashed out, drew his sword, and ran his own brother through."
Thanks for the info! It looks like the scene in the GuanYin Temple. But I couldn't find anything close to this text in the 3 independent translations I have (Er non-official, non-English non-official and non-English official). Is my guess correct that this the JGY and JC scene in the Temple after JC hits JGY sore spot related to JGY's mother?
This was good to know, now I know a little more about my baby 😭😢
Lan wangji calls him Jiang wanyin....all two times he talks to him ☺️
I am desperate to know what calculator he ran that name through, I want to see what every single MXTX name scores
Jiang Cheng looks hot with his hair down.
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i've always asked myself why his second name wasn't used
Lan WangJi calls him by Jiang Wanyin bc he’s super proper.
Indeed Jiang Wanyin is more proper than calling him by his birth name, but i think the more proper way to call him is 'Sect Leader Jiang'. So maybe this is just my feeling, but i agree that Lan Zhan kinda disrespect him by not calling him Sect Leader Jiang
Lan Zhan used Jiang Wanyin when he was angry
Kictor-san can I ask for the title of the poems for Jiang Cheng's name. Both poems if you'd please. I really want to study it😥
Lan zhan when jc pisses him off i think
I saw you holding a plushie!! Where did you get that Jiang Cheng plushie?
Totally wrong, members of Jiang family have names corresponding to each other, their parents name come from 江枫渔火对愁眠 ， suggesting their unhappy marriage, this is a poem made at night, and that’s his name 晚吟
Where can we find this name fortune telling thing?
I feel so heart broken (but why) watching this breakdown of Jiang Cheng's character and fate)