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If he started with 280 miles of range and had 206 miles of range left that's only 26% used; basically a quarter. He'll also get some regeneration on the way down the mountain.
The rivian underneath reminds me of the humvee with no low hanging diff. That thing has such crazy ground clearance! Haha I have to admit it is really starting to grow on me. Great vid guys
Think Citroen's DS with AWD just the Rivian doesnt have the aerodynamics but thats the next step in Trucks ...if you are serious about keeping them and using them everyday. Big high square fronts are bad news left overs from ICE engines and actually bad news offroad as you cannot see over the ridiculously long and high front. The Rivians tech and skateboard chassis can fitted to any body shape. On the Rivian Drop your tyre pressures ...and set it to rock crawler ... Slowly slowly.. but better fit snow chains or ropes. A simple screen showing wheel grip /slip display or sound effect would help keep the driver informed about slip v grip... Low speed 4 wheel steer activation might also move the Rivian away from a hazard when slippage puts it hard up a against a threat or ice step in front of its wheel. Once your on wet ice ...ordinary tyre grip and ABS are an illusion ive seen vehicles reversed of a drive onto an ice covered hill road and the vehicle slide sideways top to bottom. 😬 Only ice spikes work ....sort of.🤞🏼but once a slide begins gravity takes over from available friction.
@@landonmorel3715 Thats a problem with all modern high end vehicles, Its one along with the supply of materials and over sophistication that will be the undoing of the personal Car/Truck market. A bit like the mobile phone/IT market....and thats no longer acceptable design behaviour globally.🤷🏻♂️
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 The reason trucks have the monoblock front grill design is partly focus groups but mostly pedestrian crash rules. In the 80s and 90s mfrs were moving towards more aerodynamic noses and overall designs. Cars had significantly more aero designs with lower noses also. Then regulators complained of pedestrian safety, and focus groups said the trucks were looking car-like. The nose design has very little to do with ICE limitations.
Tires flex when loaded. If you're going to measure a tire's overall diameter, you'll get a closer measurement if you measure horizontally rather than vertically. You're getting a smaller measurement because the loaded part of the tire has squished down.
That's why I watch TFL. They are living my dream. I wouldn't watch a channel to see a fat guy in a sweet Ram 1500 Bighorn go back and forth to work and never go off road
That Rivian is very impressive on the rocks and snow out there in Colorado and to think it will outrun most sports cars on the drag strip too is amazing!
@@drewfeld836 who knows, maybe in the future there will be. And if they truly start shipping their 400+ mile battery pack, they won’t really be necessary.
God, just a 100 foot dirt road at 40 psig is horrible. They could easily get a pain free system to air back up. Takes me like 2 minutes with my CO2 system to go from 20 to 37 psig.
I've seen quite a few R1T's out here in California, and I'm always surprised by how much smaller they look in real life. Definitely more towards mid-size than a full sized truck. edit: Wow, what a coincidence. I was running through my town and saw a brand new R1T parked, and just around a corner was an F150. It is WAY smaller than the F150.
There’s been plenty of videos with Roman and Andre. Not sure what you are talking about here, also Nathan isn’t in the video so the original team isn’t even in the video
fr, this exact tundra with better tires, or just the stock trd pro, would do great on this terrain. they’re expecting it to behave like a baja truck without even putting the right tires. but either way, both trucks are great, id go for the tundra tho
A compliant ride gives more traction than a stiff ride. Andre, get out of that 15" rock crawl mode down to 13.1". Still better ground clearance as the tundra...
I don't think the lower ride height setting would allow more wheel travel/shock travel. I think the rock setting simply sets the truck up with more clearance beneath, but the suspension articulates the same as the standard setting. So no particular improvement, except clearance.
As a person who suffer with Tourette’s like Andre. it so nice to see Andre review the rivian. The fact he puts himself out there does so much to help normalize those of us who are neurological different. Really gives me the courage to get back out and maybe date. Cheers mate!
The Rivian is using EV rated all terrains to keep rolling resistance as low as possible to preserve it's range. With those tires it's range is 10-15% less than a Rivian on street tires. I fear that putting on more aggressive tires will really hurt range significantly. Still... the RT1 is impressive so far.
Yup, but range issue. Everything I would mod to make it better offroad I suspect about 230 miles max range. Of course you’ll probably charge to about 90%. So I’ll likely have a bit 200 miles of range. Probably actually less cause I live by the Sammy Hagar principle- and it’s mountain interstates to get to my offroad spots. Then I’ll have to deal with the range degradation from offroading. Just not practical for me.
My experience with snowflake rated AT tires is that they're for sure all a step below "real" winter tires. Still surprised that in the snow belt you aren't installing true winter tires on your own fleet. I get the press vehicles are on what they're on...
They don't install anything on any vehicles unless it's specifically a build rig, like when they were going to do the trans-America offroad series. Everything that they do is OEM standard testing to make it fair. If they did snow tires, why wouldn't they just put K02s on everything? Because it's not representative of what the Manufacturers sell.
@@threepac possibly. In my Canadian snowy neck of the woods, snow tires are the norm. All seasons are the minority. There's usually a insurance discount as well. In fact in two pronvinces, snow tires are mandatory. In some provinces snow tires are the difference between life and death.
@@calmic75 You should have seen how hilarious Toronto was on Jan 17th during the 2ish feet of snow we got. People with All Season tires couldn't go anywhere for a few days and they were getting stuck everywhere, even on the smallest hills. Meanwhile, I was bombing around just fine with my snow tires. I grew up 5 hours north so it's habit to invest in Snows. Anyone with All Seasons wouldn't last long without them each winter. I was passing stuck Trucks, SUVs, Busses and cars all day without issues lol.
Like several comments below, I would love to know more about the battery consumption (% charge) and range (miles), both to the test site, while at the test site, and home. All the testing you are doing to prove it is 'truck' worthy, we know it is, the issue for me on the all EV is can it work for a normal person that currently uses a truck. Off-road typically requires driving someone (with gear) then hitting the dirt/rock/mud/snow and playing, then returning home. For the R1T that needs to be capable without the 'gear' being a generator.
Yes watching him slip constantly approaching the staircase in the Tundra I was thinking the exact same thing. I pass people with "M&S" tires in 4wd/awd vehicles in winter in my RWD Model 3 with proper studded winter tires every year on my steep side road to my house.
I did the same thing just the other day in for high and got stuck. I changed it to deep snow and it cruised right through it no problem. I love that it has the option to stop the braking of each wheel
Those pirelli's look like they're holding a lot of psi. Both trucks would likely do better with dedicated off road tires of course but in this case at least de-flate a bit.
Obviously there are a lot of other factors, but these independent electric motors can change torque at each wheel HILARIOUSLY better and faster than traditional axles used with combustion engines. Unfortunately the short control arms used for the independent suspension in the R1T mean relatively short wheel travel and less flexibility overall. I bet the solid rear axle in that Toyota can flex at least 2x further.
TFL crew: You mentioned it in passing at the end but could you spend sometime talking about range? What was your planning considerations? You mentioned that the Rivian used about 1/3 of the charge and Toyota burned through about 1/4 of the gas on top of the hill, but what was the state of charge on the bottom of the hill after for both vehicles? Did the Rivian gain range on the way down?
@@andyd5492 They said they both started full so, 280 was likely the initial estimated range on the computer. So, with 206 left, it's just under 1/3 of the potential range used.
@@jamesbeaman6337 Again, they said both trucks started full. For the Rivian, with a full charge, the potential range is 314 miles, so 206 is roughly 1/3 the consumption. What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like you'd want to know the fuel level. Is the computer just estimating 206 miles, or did it actually go through 1/3 the battery charge. That's what I would want to know, not the vehicle's computer estimates.
I wonder how the Rivian compares size wise to a full-size truck from the 90s or 00s. It looks closer to a normal truck than the modern full size ones with cartoonish proportions.
@@85bigGMC yeah, that's how silly big trucks have become! Every once in a while I will see an old Datsun or VW truck at a car show and they look like a miniature next to current full size trucks. A '95 f150 had 197-235" length and 71" height, under 4k pounds vs the rivian at 200-217"l, ~77"h and 7100lbs
I imagine that If the TFL guys actually managed to trash his wheels, Rivian would replace it. I mean he really is taking one for the company. Chad clearly believes.
Love the coverage your giving the Rivian. 2 things that probably would have made a big difference on these tests: better tires on the tundra and lower tire pressures on both. Interesting to see the limitations of the Rivian.
The more I see of the Rivian R1T, the more I like it. I hope they sell enough that they can make enough money to work on bringing the price down to a point that is more affordable for the average person.
Yea, I hope they also come down in price, but if you think about what you're getting it's quite a bargain. You're getting supercar acceleration levels with awesome offroad ability in a truck that costs less (R1T Explore Package $60K after $7500 tax credits) than a Tesla Model Y Performance ($64k). Rivian also beat the Model Y Performance on their drag tests. So for what you're getting, it's a pretty good value, but I do wish it was cheaper, so I can jump into one too, hahaha.
I drive in these or even worse conditions weekly in northern norway during winter with my Land cruiser prado on studded winter tires. It does that with ease.
Roman talking about cost of $56K gas guzzlers while backhandedly talking about Rivian launch edition being $77K. Yet, no mention of the Rivian having $7,500 tax rebate(which ends up being a check for most tax filers), nor that most people will save $300-500 per month getting off the gas of a truck like the Tundra (and that does factor in your electric bill going up $50-100 monthly). $3,000-$6000 a year adds up quickly, fellas!
Messing around in a touch screen to engage 4WD makes me appreciate the traditional 4WD system. Buttons, nobs, switches, levers is where it's at. Leave the touch screen for Bluetooth, road maps, and the radio.
Personally, I'd rather be old school mechanical everything (hubs, lever), or full electronic (including the drive system) like the Rivian. The push-button actuated mechanical 4wd seems the least certain to me.
I believe in 2 factors on off roading. You have got to know your trucks capabilities. And also tires... tires...tires. Need the right tires for the terrain you are going to tackle. Both these trucks are awesome, but have the wrong tires for this obstacle. Thank you for the good work and great videos.
I personally have been experiencing the same issue with my AT snow rated tires. I really don't understand why manufacturers are being allowed to put the snow flake on non dedicated snow tires because as far as I can tell all AT tires will suck butt once you have to start dealing with ice which is the main reason why I would buy a tire that is severe snow rated. It's a night a day difference for me going in the snow with my Blizzaks on and off road.
Yup, almost stuck the Falken ATW3 on my 4runner, but doing some reading it seems like getting into any "real" snow and especially cold snow, the Blizzaks just kick the AT tire's butt. I'd say any place that has real winter to get real snow tires for sure.
@@michalp2362 I went thru snow that was 2.5 ft deep with no issues on my ATs. Obviously actual snow rated tires will do better but to say all ATs are garbage in the snow says more about your driving ability than the tires
@@adventureswithbear your probably did it in some kind of off road situation with fresh fluffy snow. However, all AT tires suck in on-road winter conditions with their poor directional and braking performance especially at higher speeds
Would have loved to see the bronco in this test as well. I know the territory m/t is not three peak rated but want to see how they do in the deep stuff
The problem with the Rivian's suspension is that at full ride height it's super stiff, because you're essentially lifting it up with pressurized air. There's a lot more travel at lower suspension settings but then you lose ground clearance. For a proper off-road setup you'd want fixed-height coilovers but unfortunately it would be very difficult to do suspension mods on the Rivian due to its proprietary setup.
Heya TFL Crew. LOVING the new videos. It was super fun to run into Andre this morning and say hello. The R1T continues to impress. The breakover angles really helped on that staircase test. Can't wait for the Ike Gauntlet video!
Nice vid! Roman sure needs to show his veteran ability to drive. Feels like he can be selective on how he drives or measures to get the result he wants either positive or negative ....Andre is most definitely more wholesome and seems more trustworthy in his analysis
I'm in Canada and over the years I've done plenty of off roading in all kinds of snow conditions and with well equipped ½ tons with very good to very aggressive rubber. Looking at this video I got the feeling the conditions were such that any vehicle would have struggled. The Rivian had the better tires (not the best) and the drivers were leaning heavy on the side of caution (I get it for whatever) but what was missing was information as to temperature, relative humidity and the age of the snow. Regardless, these conditions max out the vehicles abilities. Chains on all four tires would have made this a walk in the park, for both machines. All things considered, I was still a little surprised. I thought the Rivian would have been way ahead of the Toyota but it seemed to struggle a bit more than it should have. Enjoyed the video ! Thanks guys and stay safe.
The Rivian truck actually has a cool unknown feature where if you drive fast enough towards a 2' deep snow bog, the Rivian will go into "sled mode" where you just slide along the top of the snow on the perfectly smooth underside
@@stephenj4937 the 6' bed crew cab has a longer wheelbase though. Makes up a very small percentage of tacoma sales since most people go for a full size at that point.
Would the Rivian be better in a lower suspension setting to give it more articulation? Maxed out like that it's like taking a 3/4 ton off road. Too stiff to find traction.
Yeah that was my initial concern with the air suspension. When it's at full ride height it's super stiff with no flex, which is the opposite of what you want when you're off-roading. But then if you bring it down you lose ground clearance. To date I don't know of any electric rigs with coilover suspension and it doesn't seem like you can do much in the way of modding to the Rivian.
The Rivian has amazing clearance, approach & departure angles. I love the way they built this thing. It makes the Tundra look behind the times which is a brand new model too.
The tundra is not really designed as a true off-roader It's an on-road pickup truck with some tires and a little suspension mods. The Rivian is definitely built to be an off-roader. One concern for me would be what happens when you come down on a pointy rock in the middle of the battery pack? Tesla Model 3 that I saw on a dash cam video recently ran over a sharp rock on the interstate about the size of your fist. Car in front of him hit it it tumbled and it just bounced down the bottom of his Tesla Model 3. Punctured the battery pack in some way, or caused some kind of damage, the car was still drivable. But it gave him a battery warning light, he took it to Tesla they said it needed an entire new pack and his insurance company wrote off the car. I would hope Rivian put some significant armor on the bottom of it.
My Audi EV changes pitch when I accelerate. That feature might give Andre the feedback he was looking for to replace the sound of a reving engine. Rivian should be able to implement something similar with an over the air update.
Careful on the ice. I'm glad to see you both made it up safe. I wonder how much $ it costs to own a trd vs Rivian long term; gasoline vs Energy costs, ect.. Cheers Guys!!
The Rivian R1T will get 74mpge city 66mpge highway and do 314miles on a full charge, you can figure cost saves from those numbers. Note: the numbers are from the EPA not Rivian.
Curious if you can put chains on the Rivian? You guys were on ice, not snow, chains would have made that easy, but is there enough clearance on the back of the tires with the motors to allow chains?
Seen one these in person recently and its nice, i would definitely buy one but the range is a deal breaker for me considering I've gotten as high as 708 mile range per tank on my new Duramax.. 2500 l5P.. this is great option if the range works for your needs
So at my local gas vs electric cost, their adventure would have cost me about $40 in the Tundra vs about $5 in the Rivian. (Rough calculations based on their 1/4 tank vs 1/3 battery capacity estimates).
Divide 206 by 280 and you actually are at about 1/4 of the charge. They were just winging the guestimate on the fly but that makes your electric cost even better. Sweet! :)
What is the tank size on the Tundra? Even if were a large capacity tank, it would only cost you about $25-$30 to fill up with the nation average price for fuel. So, either you pay an unholy amount for fuel, or your numbers are off.
@@cypvh74 The Tundra most definitely does not have a 38 gallon tank. The standard capacity is 22 gallons, but I believe there is an optional larger tank. But again, it is not 38 gallons.
This, wheeling in shallow snow is a hell of a lot more like desert racing than it is rock crawling, momentum and wheel speed to clear the tread is the name of the game.
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Toyota gives you el cheapo Falken tires, while Rivian gives you premium Pirelli tires.
I try to buy the best tires which are Michelin, Pirellii
Traditional dealers like toyota currently markup $5k-30k over MSRP.
Rivian will also save $7500 federal tax credit, and save 2/3 of gas costs.
ALL Toyota products' faces have a GIANT UGLY GRILLE
@@mrpmj00 rivian PR is working over time huh
Does onX works in Canada? Specifically Ontario?
Snow driving is 90% tire and 10% vehicle
I dont disagree but for conversations sake what % of snow driving is skill/experience?
If he started with 280 miles of range and had 206 miles of range left that's only 26% used; basically a quarter. He'll also get some regeneration on the way down the mountain.
Giving out range can be misleading sometimes. Battery percentage would have been better. Cars recalculate range based on usage.
The rivian underneath reminds me of the humvee with no low hanging diff. That thing has such crazy ground clearance! Haha I have to admit it is really starting to grow on me. Great vid guys
Think Citroen's DS with AWD just the Rivian doesnt have the aerodynamics but thats the next step in Trucks ...if you are serious about keeping them and using them everyday.
Big high square fronts are bad news left overs from ICE engines and actually bad news offroad as you cannot see over the ridiculously long and high front. The Rivians tech and skateboard chassis can fitted to any body shape.
On the Rivian Drop your tyre pressures ...and set it to rock crawler ...
Slowly slowly.. but better fit snow chains or ropes.
A simple screen showing wheel grip /slip display or sound effect would help keep the driver informed about slip v grip...
Low speed 4 wheel steer activation might also move the Rivian away from a hazard when slippage puts it hard up a against a threat or ice step in front of its wheel.
Once your on wet ice ...ordinary tyre grip and ABS are an illusion ive seen vehicles reversed of a drive onto an ice covered hill road and the vehicle slide sideways top to bottom. 😬
Only ice spikes work ....sort of.🤞🏼but once a slide begins gravity takes over from available friction.
@Rusty Man +1 portal axles on hummers (H1, military humvees)
price is a turnoff….$100k plus
@@landonmorel3715
Thats a problem with all modern high end vehicles,
Its one along with the supply of materials and over sophistication that will be the undoing of the personal Car/Truck market.
A bit like the mobile phone/IT market....and thats no longer acceptable design behaviour globally.🤷🏻♂️
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 The reason trucks have the monoblock front grill design is partly focus groups but mostly pedestrian crash rules. In the 80s and 90s mfrs were moving towards more aerodynamic noses and overall designs. Cars had significantly more aero designs with lower noses also. Then regulators complained of pedestrian safety, and focus groups said the trucks were looking car-like.
The nose design has very little to do with ICE limitations.
Tires flex when loaded. If you're going to measure a tire's overall diameter, you'll get a closer measurement if you measure horizontally rather than vertically. You're getting a smaller measurement because the loaded part of the tire has squished down.
TFL already doing more off-road than 90% of future costumers will ever do.
Yeah costumers tend to just stay at the sewing machine.
My Rivian never leaves the kitchen.
That's why I watch TFL. They are living my dream. I wouldn't watch a channel to see a fat guy in a sweet Ram 1500 Bighorn go back and forth to work and never go off road
98%
If it can’t do extremes then Rivian just same as status symbols like the Hummer H2 Poser.
That Rivian is very impressive on the rocks and snow out there in Colorado and to think it will outrun most sports cars on the drag strip too is amazing!
Hopefully they don’t go too far in the woods without a charging station nearby……
@@drewfeld836 it has a range of 314 miles, i doubt you will be off roading for that long
@@couchpotatoes5158 True, but will there be a charging station nearby an off-roading location? Probably unlikely.
@@drewfeld836 who knows, maybe in the future there will be. And if they truly start shipping their 400+ mile battery pack, they won’t really be necessary.
@@couchpotatoes5158 I can't wait for that day. If they had solid state batteries today, I would be all in!
That first challenge is more of a tire issue than 4WD issue. Really like the ground clearance on the Rivian.
It is a problem I have noticed of TFL that thy dont put propper tyres on.
Exactly. A mud tire is not the same as a winter tire.
You know, airing down in the snow does work
Its painful watching people attempt any kind of off roading at like 40psi
Just like sand
God, just a 100 foot dirt road at 40 psig is horrible. They could easily get a pain free system to air back up. Takes me like 2 minutes with my CO2 system to go from 20 to 37 psig.
@@KTMcaptain the rivian has a compressor mounted in the side of the bed to air up tires.
It was at 47psi thank you. lol
This was driving me crazy 😜
By the end of this series, we are all going to want to see The Chad. He's famous at this point.
Thanks to the Rivian owner, for letting you guys put that truck through the paces. Loved the log video! Thanks to the Rancher guy too.
I've seen quite a few R1T's out here in California, and I'm always surprised by how much smaller they look in real life. Definitely more towards mid-size than a full sized truck.
edit: Wow, what a coincidence. I was running through my town and saw a brand new R1T parked, and just around a corner was an F150. It is WAY smaller than the F150.
100%. A tiny bit bigger than a Ranger/Tacoma but much smaller than f150.
They’re definitely midsize with half ton towing capability(we’ll see).
It's is midsized for sure my dude!
And still over 7,000lbs! Midsize footprint with one ton weight
I see that as a definite plus. I hate how big the full sized trucks are
And zero emissions from the rivian. The tundra does terrible on the carbon index.
Yes, The original team is back! Love it guys. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy like the first time I found your channel years ago. Love the video.
There’s been plenty of videos with Roman and Andre. Not sure what you are talking about here, also Nathan isn’t in the video so the original team isn’t even in the video
I'd like to see the Rivian on proper off roading tires and I think it would be a monster. Amazing truck, very impressive.
fr, this exact tundra with better tires, or just the stock trd pro, would do great on this terrain. they’re expecting it to behave like a baja truck without even putting the right tires. but either way, both trucks are great, id go for the tundra tho
I think they use the stock tires on purpose, to show what the normal everyday joe would be using, still super frustrating to watch and kind a lame lol
It’s just the truth and factual using tires that the factory installed
Now this is what I wanted to see! I wanted to see how well the Rivian went in snow! Thanks!
"In real life... things are actually smaller..." That killed me :P
I bet the owner of the Rivian wished he was with you having fun! It looks like the Rivian is going to be a great truck.
Great test for both trucks. I really like that Rivian more and more.
Agreed. If I had the money for a Rivian I would buy one.
Just not the price tag
Most exciting ev yet, for me.
Falling in love with the Rivian for just the ONE WEEEK you guys have had it. Definitely need a long term one tor yourself
A compliant ride gives more traction than a stiff ride. Andre, get out of that 15" rock crawl mode down to 13.1". Still better ground clearance as the tundra...
That’s right…too stiff breaks traction.
I don't think the lower ride height setting would allow more wheel travel/shock travel. I think the rock setting simply sets the truck up with more clearance beneath, but the suspension articulates the same as the standard setting. So no particular improvement, except clearance.
As a person who suffer with Tourette’s like Andre. it so nice to see Andre review the rivian. The fact he puts himself out there does so much to help normalize those of us who are neurological different. Really gives me the courage to get back out and maybe date. Cheers mate!
Seems like the Rivian could handle much more aggressive tires with ease. Cant wait for the towing video!
Maybe just wider? Heavy truck on pizza cutters. Especially that they look aggressive enough and 3 snowflakes on it.
The Rivian is using EV rated all terrains to keep rolling resistance as low as possible to preserve it's range. With those tires it's range is 10-15% less than a Rivian on street tires. I fear that putting on more aggressive tires will really hurt range significantly. Still... the RT1 is impressive so far.
@@chrisjohnson3912 you could have street wheels set and off-road set. Just swap them when going into woods
You might tow a little trailer for 50 miles before the battery runs out
Yup, but range issue. Everything I would mod to make it better offroad I suspect about 230 miles max range. Of course you’ll probably charge to about 90%. So I’ll likely have a bit 200 miles of range. Probably actually less cause I live by the Sammy Hagar principle- and it’s mountain interstates to get to my offroad spots. Then I’ll have to deal with the range degradation from offroading. Just not practical for me.
My experience with snowflake rated AT tires is that they're for sure all a step below "real" winter tires. Still surprised that in the snow belt you aren't installing true winter tires on your own fleet. I get the press vehicles are on what they're on...
They don't install anything on any vehicles unless it's specifically a build rig, like when they were going to do the trans-America offroad series. Everything that they do is OEM standard testing to make it fair. If they did snow tires, why wouldn't they just put K02s on everything? Because it's not representative of what the Manufacturers sell.
@@Wolfsbane1100 ya, but, in the real world, if you're driving in snow or sub freezing weather, you SHOULD be putting snow tires on.
@@calmic75 But realistically thats not what people do… People run what the manufacture provides.
@@threepac possibly. In my Canadian snowy neck of the woods, snow tires are the norm. All seasons are the minority. There's usually a insurance discount as well. In fact in two pronvinces, snow tires are mandatory. In some provinces snow tires are the difference between life and death.
@@calmic75 You should have seen how hilarious Toronto was on Jan 17th during the 2ish feet of snow we got. People with All Season tires couldn't go anywhere for a few days and they were getting stuck everywhere, even on the smallest hills.
Meanwhile, I was bombing around just fine with my snow tires. I grew up 5 hours north so it's habit to invest in Snows. Anyone with All Seasons wouldn't last long without them each winter.
I was passing stuck Trucks, SUVs, Busses and cars all day without issues lol.
Give it up to Chad. Thanks bro. Can’t wait for the towing review!
Like several comments below, I would love to know more about the battery consumption (% charge) and range (miles), both to the test site, while at the test site, and home. All the testing you are doing to prove it is 'truck' worthy, we know it is, the issue for me on the all EV is can it work for a normal person that currently uses a truck. Off-road typically requires driving someone (with gear) then hitting the dirt/rock/mud/snow and playing, then returning home. For the R1T that needs to be capable without the 'gear' being a generator.
Why not add a generator in the same way normal truck owners add jerrycans all over their rigs?
Great review! I think the tires were your limiting factor in both trucks today.
Yes watching him slip constantly approaching the staircase in the Tundra I was thinking the exact same thing. I pass people with "M&S" tires in 4wd/awd vehicles in winter in my RWD Model 3 with proper studded winter tires every year on my steep side road to my house.
I did the same thing just the other day in for high and got stuck. I changed it to deep snow and it cruised right through it no problem. I love that it has the option to stop the braking of each wheel
Those pirelli's look like they're holding a lot of psi. Both trucks would likely do better with dedicated off road tires of course but in this case at least de-flate a bit.
Obviously there are a lot of other factors, but these independent electric motors can change torque at each wheel HILARIOUSLY better and faster than traditional axles used with combustion engines. Unfortunately the short control arms used for the independent suspension in the R1T mean relatively short wheel travel and less flexibility overall. I bet the solid rear axle in that Toyota can flex at least 2x further.
It will be interesting once more people get the Rivian and what they do with it. Like mudding, rock crawling, mods, and such. Great video, TFL team! 👍
That’s was an awesome video TFL!! Well done
TFL crew: You mentioned it in passing at the end but could you spend sometime talking about range? What was your planning considerations? You mentioned that the Rivian used about 1/3 of the charge and Toyota burned through about 1/4 of the gas on top of the hill, but what was the state of charge on the bottom of the hill after for both vehicles? Did the Rivian gain range on the way down?
280 minus 208 is about 3/4 of range left, so also used a 1/4.
And yes it most likely did gain a few miles of range on the way down.
@@andyd5492 They said they both started full so, 280 was likely the initial estimated range on the computer. So, with 206 left, it's just under 1/3 of the potential range used.
@@AkioWasRight 72 / 280 = 25.7%. Much closer to 1/4 as Andy D said than 1/3. Am I missing something?
@@jamesbeaman6337 Again, they said both trucks started full. For the Rivian, with a full charge, the potential range is 314 miles, so 206 is roughly 1/3 the consumption.
What would be best to know is the battery percentage, just like you'd want to know the fuel level. Is the computer just estimating 206 miles, or did it actually go through 1/3 the battery charge. That's what I would want to know, not the vehicle's computer estimates.
LOVE THIS guys. Had me on the edge of my seat a couple times. Totally thought Nathan was going to hit the tree more than once!
Chad! Thanks for letting them test your truck!
It blows my mind that most of the large auto makers have not gotten into EV’s for the pickup trucks…huge opportunity being missed here 😯
Well, now we have Chevy and Ford. The rest will follow soon.
I wonder how the Rivian compares size wise to a full-size truck from the 90s or 00s. It looks closer to a normal truck than the modern full size ones with cartoonish proportions.
Want to say it's similar in size to a current ranger yet weighs like in like an f350
@@HoStev the current Ranger is way bigger then the old Rangers though and probably is closer to a 1960s to 2007 full size also.
@@85bigGMC yeah, that's how silly big trucks have become! Every once in a while I will see an old Datsun or VW truck at a car show and they look like a miniature next to current full size trucks. A '95 f150 had 197-235" length and 71" height, under 4k pounds vs the rivian at 200-217"l, ~77"h and 7100lbs
Most crushing thing about this video....Roman doesn't drink coffee lol
All I can say is “poor Chad” (the owner of the truck). It’s gotta be nerve wrecking to watch your vehicle put through the paces like that.
Nerve *wracking*
@@RPotter95 Eventually, it will wreck your nerves.
It’s ok, he’s a real Chad
I imagine that If the TFL guys actually managed to trash his wheels, Rivian would replace it. I mean he really is taking one for the company. Chad clearly believes.
Snow Bog ?!! ..WTF !! ..as a snowy Canadian I have NEVER heard that before
Love the coverage your giving the Rivian.
2 things that probably would have made a big difference on these tests: better tires on the tundra and lower tire pressures on both.
Interesting to see the limitations of the Rivian.
End of the day, both trucks did work and got it done.
Not every obstacle needs to be easy for it to be a good day.
The more I see of the Rivian R1T, the more I like it. I hope they sell enough that they can make enough money to work on bringing the price down to a point that is more affordable for the average person.
Yea, I hope they also come down in price, but if you think about what you're getting it's quite a bargain. You're getting supercar acceleration levels with awesome offroad ability in a truck that costs less (R1T Explore Package $60K after $7500 tax credits) than a Tesla Model Y Performance ($64k). Rivian also beat the Model Y Performance on their drag tests. So for what you're getting, it's a pretty good value, but I do wish it was cheaper, so I can jump into one too, hahaha.
Its at 56
@@ZgmfxO9A LoL no, the one in the video is 75k$. The base model 56k$ does not and will not exist for quite some time.
I drive in these or even worse conditions weekly in northern norway during winter with my Land cruiser prado on studded winter tires. It does that with ease.
TRD off-road.
without off-road recovery hooks.
Really screwed that up Toyota.
This is definitely kind of crazy. Just to save a few bucks?
Didn't need tow hooks, I believe Tommy would have been a great help.
@@jayrichards3672 there is one on the front axle hidden hidden . They should look for it
@@jd2plus2 I can't think of a situation where I need Recovery hooks. They are so many different options.
Nah. 99.9% will never see more off-road than a gravel road lol. Half ton trucks live a life of a minivans these days
Roman talking about cost of $56K gas guzzlers while backhandedly talking about Rivian launch edition being $77K.
Yet, no mention of the Rivian having $7,500 tax rebate(which ends up being a check for most tax filers), nor that most people will save $300-500 per month getting off the gas of a truck like the Tundra (and that does factor in your electric bill going up $50-100 monthly).
$3,000-$6000 a year adds up quickly, fellas!
I’ve been looking forward to this one for a while !
Messing around in a touch screen to engage 4WD makes me appreciate the traditional 4WD system. Buttons, nobs, switches, levers is where it's at. Leave the touch screen for Bluetooth, road maps, and the radio.
Personally, I'd rather be old school mechanical everything (hubs, lever), or full electronic (including the drive system) like the Rivian. The push-button actuated mechanical 4wd seems the least certain to me.
It's always 4wd by default.
@@BAYAREAMX I see you 😂😂
Great video. It's interesting to see how much more difficult these obstacles are with snow. That Rivian is awesome. Thanks guys
I believe in 2 factors on off roading. You have got to know your trucks capabilities. And also tires... tires...tires. Need the right tires for the terrain you are going to tackle. Both these trucks are awesome, but have the wrong tires for this obstacle. Thank you for the good work and great videos.
I personally have been experiencing the same issue with my AT snow rated tires. I really don't understand why manufacturers are being allowed to put the snow flake on non dedicated snow tires because as far as I can tell all AT tires will suck butt once you have to start dealing with ice which is the main reason why I would buy a tire that is severe snow rated. It's a night a day difference for me going in the snow with my Blizzaks on and off road.
Yup, almost stuck the Falken ATW3 on my 4runner, but doing some reading it seems like getting into any "real" snow and especially cold snow, the Blizzaks just kick the AT tire's butt. I'd say any place that has real winter to get real snow tires for sure.
My ATs aren't even snow rated and I have no issues in the deep snow here in Canada. Airing down to about 15 psi gets me a ton of traction
All AT tires are garbage in snow. Especially on normal paved roads in winter conditions with ice spots and compacted snow.
@@michalp2362 I went thru snow that was 2.5 ft deep with no issues on my ATs. Obviously actual snow rated tires will do better but to say all ATs are garbage in the snow says more about your driving ability than the tires
@@adventureswithbear your probably did it in some kind of off road situation with fresh fluffy snow. However, all AT tires suck in on-road winter conditions with their poor directional and braking performance especially at higher speeds
Ignore the negative comments you guys are awesome thanks for all the effort you guys put into these videos.
Would have loved to see the bronco in this test as well. I know the territory m/t is not three peak rated but want to see how they do in the deep stuff
You mean Bronco vs Rivian R1T 🤔 if is that that’s be interesting, not matter what they are pickup or SUV just his capabilities off road right?
The raptor bronco
Your math is bad buys, Rivian used about 1/4, NOT 1/3. Rivian started with 280 mi range. 206 mi left. 74/280 = 26%.
holy crap, this is what we were waiting for
My absolute favorite You Tube Channel. Another great video
Interesting comparison. Airing down the tires would have helped out a lot with the traction issues
which they could've done on the rivian because it comes with a built in compressor!
The problem with the Rivian's suspension is that at full ride height it's super stiff, because you're essentially lifting it up with pressurized air. There's a lot more travel at lower suspension settings but then you lose ground clearance. For a proper off-road setup you'd want fixed-height coilovers but unfortunately it would be very difficult to do suspension mods on the Rivian due to its proprietary setup.
Heya TFL Crew. LOVING the new videos. It was super fun to run into Andre this morning and say hello. The R1T continues to impress. The breakover angles really helped on that staircase test. Can't wait for the Ike Gauntlet video!
We’re you able to get any footage for your channel? That would be a cool video. Not sure if the TFL crew was down for an impromptu “collab” though.
@@fpartidafpartida No footage. Just said hello. Andre gave me a primer for the towing video they just published. Super cool guy.
I missed this episode dropping. Probably the best rivian segment.
Nice vid! Roman sure needs to show his veteran ability to drive. Feels like he can be selective on how he drives or measures to get the result he wants either positive or negative ....Andre is most definitely more wholesome and seems more trustworthy in his analysis
Great vid!!! What's cool is I just put those scorpions on my 4Runner so nice to see how traction is
Lol scorpions are garbage
Front end of that new truck looks like Casper the friendly ghost. You should probably air down with that snow
I'm in Canada and over the years I've done plenty of off roading in all kinds of snow conditions and with well equipped ½ tons with very good to very aggressive rubber. Looking at this video I got the feeling the conditions were such that any vehicle would have struggled. The Rivian had the better tires (not the best) and the drivers were leaning heavy on the side of caution (I get it for whatever) but what was missing was information as to temperature, relative humidity and the age of the snow. Regardless, these conditions max out the vehicles abilities. Chains on all four tires would have made this a walk in the park, for both machines.
All things considered, I was still a little surprised. I thought the Rivian would have been way ahead of the Toyota but it seemed to struggle a bit more than it should have. Enjoyed the video ! Thanks guys and stay safe.
Yeah, a lot of that snow looked like it was sitting on top of ice which would be a challenge for any vehicle.
The RIVIAN is getting is getting more and more impressive👍🤗
Andre and Roman are a duo we need to see more of. The tests and video are great as always!
I gotta say there is something nice about the silence of an electric off roader.
Rivian have done an amazing job with their first vehicle. Deserves big success.
I want to see the Electric Ike test. And the ‘how far will it go on one charge’ test.
at 12:55 you're at the spot I went tobogganing backwards with my brother doing a defender vs jeep trip. solid sheet of ice lol!
I am surprised that all of your testing has convinced me that the Rivian actually is a VERY competent truck that can match most any other truck.
I agree 100%
Any 1500. Or light duty truck
They haven’t done any long range towing testing.
I would say exceed in some cases.
The Rivian truck actually has a cool unknown feature where if you drive fast enough towards a 2' deep snow bog, the Rivian will go into "sled mode" where you just slide along the top of the snow on the perfectly smooth underside
Rivian is a midsize done right size wise. It has usable rear seats as opposed to Tacoma. Probably best comparison is Ridgeline.
The Tacoma sacrifices rear passenger space for bed length (up to a 6' bed with crew cab).
@@stephenj4937 the 6' bed crew cab has a longer wheelbase though. Makes up a very small percentage of tacoma sales since most people go for a full size at that point.
The Rivian has a 4.5 foot bed. Might as well compare a Maverick, if we're using truck standards.
Thank you for these videos, back when all we had was word of mouth. Thanks to you we can see it all in person.
Would the Rivian be better in a lower suspension setting to give it more articulation? Maxed out like that it's like taking a 3/4 ton off road. Too stiff to find traction.
Yeah that was my initial concern with the air suspension. When it's at full ride height it's super stiff with no flex, which is the opposite of what you want when you're off-roading. But then if you bring it down you lose ground clearance. To date I don't know of any electric rigs with coilover suspension and it doesn't seem like you can do much in the way of modding to the Rivian.
I remember when the all weather radials came out in the 70's.
It was a fancy term for summer tires.
Glad tfl was able to get a hand on one of the rivians, shout out to Chad for stepping up!
There were a couple pucker moments on the ice for sure. Thanks for sharing
The Rivian has amazing clearance, approach & departure angles. I love the way they built this thing. It makes the Tundra look behind the times which is a brand new model too.
This is all about sizes and tires the rivian is much smaller with better tires.
@@joeyplace1879 a
The tundra is not really designed as a true off-roader It's an on-road pickup truck with some tires and a little suspension mods. The Rivian is definitely built to be an off-roader.
One concern for me would be what happens when you come down on a pointy rock in the middle of the battery pack?
Tesla Model 3 that I saw on a dash cam video recently ran over a sharp rock on the interstate about the size of your fist. Car in front of him hit it it tumbled and it just bounced down the bottom of his Tesla Model 3. Punctured the battery pack in some way, or caused some kind of damage, the car was still drivable. But it gave him a battery warning light, he took it to Tesla they said it needed an entire new pack and his insurance company wrote off the car.
I would hope Rivian put some significant armor on the bottom of it.
Definitely
The tundra was behind the times the day they redesigned it
😂 using engine sound to determine if you have grip 😂 I use the old fashioned method of: am I moving method for do I have grip! 😂😂😂
My Audi EV changes pitch when I accelerate. That feature might give Andre the feedback he was looking for to replace the sound of a reving engine. Rivian should be able to implement something similar with an over the air update.
I think they already have some sound options?
Excellent testing. I’m SO glad Rivian finally gave you guys the truck to test! 😎😎
They didn't. Someone who bought the truck loaned it to them.
Careful on the ice. I'm glad to see you both made it up safe. I wonder how much $ it costs to own a trd vs Rivian long term; gasoline vs Energy costs, ect.. Cheers Guys!!
The Rivian R1T will get 74mpge city 66mpge highway and do 314miles on a full charge, you can figure cost saves from those numbers. Note: the numbers are from the EPA not Rivian.
I find it so amazing how this small company is showing the big boys that they have been asleep for far too long.
Guys, how about lowering the air pressure in the tires in the snow?
Excellent video guys. No one else does this.
rivian ground clearance looks so impressive
It’s trash.
@@wint_62 the facts dont care about your incorrect opinions, wint.
@@HarryKuloh They can't get themselves. Facts haven't been allowed since 2016.
It won't be so impressive when the air system breaks.
@@AkioWasRight Lolllllllllllllll. Some people are never happy. Grinch vibes.
Curious why you don't air down for snow wheelin. Works really well
What psi are you running those tires at?
I very much enjoyed watching this! Thanks for the content.
Curious if you can put chains on the Rivian? You guys were on ice, not snow, chains would have made that easy, but is there enough clearance on the back of the tires with the motors to allow chains?
The motors in the R1T are not inside the tires, they are in the frame. There are axles going from each motor to each wheel.
Seen one these in person recently and its nice, i would definitely buy one but the range is a deal breaker for me considering I've gotten as high as 708 mile range per tank on my new Duramax.. 2500 l5P.. this is great option if the range works for your needs
snow driving should really be a tire test
outstanding video - well done -two off my favorite vehicles
Did I miss it or did they take some air out of the tires to gain better traction ?
I don't think so, tires looked stiff. Airing down would have been good, even a little.
@@practicalguy973 I was afraid of that. Lol
Makes these guys look like rookies.
Bring back compact trucks!! 😭
I would by one tomorrow if they offered manual transmission, rear wheel drive, and manual roll windows.
So at my local gas vs electric cost, their adventure would have cost me about $40 in the Tundra vs about $5 in the Rivian. (Rough calculations based on their 1/4 tank vs 1/3 battery capacity estimates).
Divide 206 by 280 and you actually are at about 1/4 of the charge. They were just winging the guestimate on the fly but that makes your electric cost even better. Sweet! :)
$3 vs $28 where I live.
What is the tank size on the Tundra? Even if were a large capacity tank, it would only cost you about $25-$30 to fill up with the nation average price for fuel. So, either you pay an unholy amount for fuel, or your numbers are off.
@@AkioWasRight google says tundra has a 38gallon tank. 1/4 tank is close to 10 gallons, and gas around here is over $4/gal.
@@cypvh74 The Tundra most definitely does not have a 38 gallon tank. The standard capacity is 22 gallons, but I believe there is an optional larger tank. But again, it is not 38 gallons.
Which of these trucks will still be drivable and dependable @ 150 k miles??????
Comparable studded winter tires next time?
Love these videos but tires are not always comparable.
Being from Minnesota I love the snow challenges pretty cool too see how they compare
I wonder if drift or rally mode would give some higher spin and wheel spin for the snow on the rivian
This, wheeling in shallow snow is a hell of a lot more like desert racing than it is rock crawling, momentum and wheel speed to clear the tread is the name of the game.