I swear to God we are all gluttons 2:23 for punishment.i told myself I wouldn't buy anymore clone garbage that it was time to just pay for a berreta a 300.at almost a thousand dollars so I go against every thing I tried to do and buy a glock 19 and a Mac 1014 benelli clone I have to be the stupidest man on earth now I've got 200 bucks in high brass coming for another nightmare 😢...well mama always says stupid is as stupid does. 😅
This by far is the best and if not the most thorough comparison of two M4 Benelli clones… Too many videos are comparing the Apple vs oranges…not in your case this video provided me what I was looking for as a budget consumers in my decision making where do I spend my money on a clone vs clone…. Thank you very much for time and effort 👏
No one literally no one cares about 922r buy and mod whatever and how you want. I come from building ak's from kit i used some u.s parts like trigger groups but the rest who cares. No one else does dont waste money on it.
Man, I miss the time when you did a lot of these parts kit builds! The longer choke may be for an suppressor. I had to pay ~130 Dollars over here in Germany for that special choke
Could it be that Benelli just overcharges their customer for the name? I would love to see a long term comperison between a good clone vs benelli m4, then we can trully see what the actual difference is.
@@kiloalphasierra not sure if it's mentioned in the video but the panzer will accept all Benelli parts so it's very possible to buy a panzer and just fit Benelli parts into it. Saving quite a bit of money in the long term.
Why is it only a range toy if it’s a m4 with no failures? Who cares who manufactures something if it’s same design same material same machines cutting them? They have multiple factories that make lots of stuff in this world, don’t care who stamps their name on it.
I have both of the shotguns in the video and the Aksa s4 purchased in the past year and the Panzer is definitely the better of the 3. The main problem I had with the SDS was developing a failure to fire randomly until it just stopped. On the bolt of the SDS there is a grub screw on the front instead of a cross pin. After about 300 rounds the grub screw worked loose on the front of the bolt and prevented the bolt from going into battery. Replaced the grub screw and added some red loctite before installing it. I'm about 200 rounds of 00buck with no issues so far after replacement. Eventually I'll buy a new bolt with a cross pin to remove the issue altogether.
I own one of the Aksa S4s and have had no issue. I've added US made (Mesa Tactical) stock, foregrip, and even a new (Dave's Metalworks) mag tube with follower (making it compliant). It's ran everything I put through it.
funny I bought the panzer with the tactical stock and bought the collapsible stock for mine and I have almost 200 rounds through mine and haven't had an issue with any of the ammo I have used.
I love the MAC 1014. Runs 100% with everything except the sub-1220 FPS light target loads. With anything 1200 FPS or above or a "Game Load", it's functions great. I love the first one so much I just bought a second one.
great video. you covered 922R and daves metal works mag tube. things that took me a while to find a few years ago when i purchased the Panzer. other great upgrades for these are a larger charging handle, larger bolt release and a mesa tactical urbino stock.
You mentioned adding U.S. parts to the M4 before adding the plus 2 extension. Can you do a quick video on what parts you would change and why ? Thank you
A lot of folks are looking for the magazine extensions for the Panzer M4 and you say that you have one? Waiting for Panzer Arms to create them for the public to pruchase.
If that plastic sling attachment is actually part of the mold and not a separate piece from the rest of the stock, it's going to be better than the steel inserted sling attachment point. Putting those steel inserts into plastic and doing it right is not as easy as it seems.
The difference in qaulity is negligable. Fit and finish might be better but the functionality of the guns is very close. Now if I was military or Swat I would want the Benelli. But for most Americans the Turkish shotguns are more than adequate and depending on them for self defense is not a problem. I have a Tristar G2 that is about 8 years old. I have put about 400 rounds various brands and loads, birdshot, turkey, buckshot and slugs it has never failed to load and go bang yet. I will say my G2 is a slightly different design it has one collar for the gas piston, whereas, these M4 clones have the two gas cylinders.
From what I heard Panzer makes better shotguns that function much better however there stocks are junk. The other Turkish shotgun dont function as well. My advice is get the Panzer and upgrade the stock or stop being a cheap AZZ and pay thousands more for the real Italian Stallion. Cheap toliet paper YES cheap firearms NO.
I had watched your video a few weeks back and I could not remember who's video or the name of the mag tube manufacturer was. So I had to go through a few to find this again. Good info. My M4 clone shipped today, a Gforce that is on sale at sportsman's guide for just under $300 and free shipping.
I think the review Ginsboy mentions is from American Arms Channel, his pic rail came loose and he lost two screws and damaged the threads on two others.
Good video to compare the two guns. Did you notice any difference in the build quality of the bolt and receiver between the two? Curious if they were interchangeable. I do notice a lot of similarities between these guns and my Tristar Raptor ATAC bought in 2012.
Glad to see a new video from you on TH-cam. Like seeing the boss get involved in the shooting with you, stay SAFE out there in the south and be ready it's not looking good these days.
I have the Benelli & I’d use it & trust it like we did in Afghanistan. I’m not sure about these imitations so I’ll stay away . Any gun that’s not fully reliable for me in a self defense role is not a tool I’ll bet my life on .
I swear to God we are all gluttons 2:23 for punishment.i told myself I wouldn't buy anymore clone garbage that it was time to just pay for a berreta a 300.at almost a thousand dollars so I go against every thing I tried to do and buy a glock 19 and a Mac 1014 benelli clone I have to be the stupidest man on earth now I've got 200 bucks in high brass coming for another nightmare 😢...well mama always says stupid is as stupid does. 😅
This by far is the best and if not the most thorough comparison of two M4 Benelli clones… Too many videos are comparing the Apple vs oranges…not in your case this video provided me what I was looking for as a budget consumers in my decision making where do I spend my money on a clone vs clone…. Thank you very much for time and effort 👏
No one literally no one cares about 922r buy and mod whatever and how you want. I come from building ak's from kit i used some u.s parts like trigger groups but the rest who cares. No one else does dont waste money on it.
Man, I miss the time when you did a lot of these parts kit builds! The longer choke may be for an suppressor. I had to pay ~130 Dollars over here in Germany for that special choke
I think the choke with external threads is so you can fit a breaching attachment.
Could it be that Benelli just overcharges their customer for the name? I would love to see a long term comperison between a good clone vs benelli m4, then we can trully see what the actual difference is.
name
Name, overall fit and finish and parts quality on the Benelli. Determine which fits your needs and budget and buy accordingly.
@@kiloalphasierra not sure if it's mentioned in the video but the panzer will accept all Benelli parts so it's very possible to buy a panzer and just fit Benelli parts into it. Saving quite a bit of money in the long term.
I bought the MAC 1014 clone , SDS imports say it has been fixed of common issues. Maybe its the same People that make the Panzer M4 with the MAC logo
Why is it only a range toy if it’s a m4 with no failures? Who cares who manufactures something if it’s same design same material same machines cutting them? They have multiple factories that make lots of stuff in this world, don’t care who stamps their name on it.
Came to say I also miss your awesome kit build videos so it’s good to see you making videos!
Now get a mac 1014 and compare it to the panzer m4
I have the wooden version mac 1014, insanely incredible shotgun, we also have a benelli m4 breacher
The MAC is made by SDS
@@rougarou1559 SDS is a subsidiary to the MAC.
Top rail screws came loose on the Benelli M4 as well
Excellent video sir! It looks like the Panzer M4 is comparable (if not identical) to the MAC 1014 I'm looking at.
Great report. I hope you expand on it. Add in the other Turknelli variants, and extended shooting reviews! MAC 1014 particularly.
I have both of the shotguns in the video and the Aksa s4 purchased in the past year and the Panzer is definitely the better of the 3. The main problem I had with the SDS was developing a failure to fire randomly until it just stopped. On the bolt of the SDS there is a grub screw on the front instead of a cross pin. After about 300 rounds the grub screw worked loose on the front of the bolt and prevented the bolt from going into battery. Replaced the grub screw and added some red loctite before installing it. I'm about 200 rounds of 00buck with no issues so far after replacement. Eventually I'll buy a new bolt with a cross pin to remove the issue altogether.
Holy crap are people just realizing that gun manufacturers charge stupid amounts of money for a name….
Aren’t all those parts regulations aimed at the importer? Shouldn’t apply to end user modifications.
You sure can add the extension to the Panzer M4. Seen it done many times.
After that light recoil round that failed to eject, I would’ve checked for a barrel obstruction before I fired another round.
is the charles daly m4 612 any good?
Good to know that the plus two tube doesn't work on the Panzer, thank you for the info.
Panzer has a +2 extension for the m4
I own one of the Aksa S4s and have had no issue. I've added US made (Mesa Tactical) stock, foregrip, and even a new (Dave's Metalworks) mag tube with follower (making it compliant). It's ran everything I put through it.
Small drop of Loctite 290 would be ideal to fix wandering sight adjusting screw, 290 "wicks in" to threads and gives an effect similar to a nyloc nut.
funny I bought the panzer with the tactical stock and bought the collapsible stock for mine and I have almost 200 rounds through mine and haven't had an issue with any of the ammo I have used.
still running good? thinking about picking one up eventually
Thank you for the video...
Ammunition related failure.
I love the MAC 1014. Runs 100% with everything except the sub-1220 FPS light target loads. With anything 1200 FPS or above or a "Game Load", it's functions great.
I love the first one so much I just bought a second one.
great video. you covered 922R and daves metal works mag tube. things that took me a while to find a few years ago when i purchased the Panzer. other great upgrades for these are a larger charging handle, larger bolt release and a mesa tactical urbino stock.
Out of the two which is your preference
You did an excellent job. Thank you for your efforts.
I like that panzer.. I think it’s worth the money
Thanks ! Living in Ontario Canada.. MAN We have sooo many restrictions here…..
You mentioned adding U.S. parts to the M4 before adding the plus 2 extension. Can you do a quick video on what parts you would change and why ? Thank you
Crazy I am just now seeing this. Missed your videos, hope you're doing well!
A lot of folks are looking for the magazine extensions for the Panzer M4 and you say that you have one? Waiting for Panzer Arms to create them for the public to pruchase.
That's never going to happen...
You can order the Panzer extensions now at Classic Firearms for $24. Choice of black, FDE and silver.
If that plastic sling attachment is actually part of the mold and not a separate piece from the rest of the stock, it's going to be better than the steel inserted sling attachment point. Putting those steel inserts into plastic and doing it right is not as easy as it seems.
Ginsboy! I didn't know you were back on youtube, haven't seen a video of yours in a long time
There is nothing on the panzer m4 that won't enter change with the benelli m4
😂😂😂 Cardboard doesn't ring like steel 😂😂😂
The difference in qaulity is negligable. Fit and finish might be better but the functionality of the guns is very close. Now if I was military or Swat I would want the Benelli. But for most Americans the Turkish shotguns are more than adequate and depending on them for self defense is not a problem. I have a Tristar G2 that is about 8 years old. I have put about 400 rounds various brands and loads, birdshot, turkey, buckshot and slugs it has never failed to load and go bang yet. I will say my G2 is a slightly different design it has one collar for the gas piston, whereas, these M4 clones have the two gas cylinders.
Great informative video. I really enjoyed it.
From what I heard Panzer makes better shotguns that function much better however there stocks are junk. The other Turkish shotgun dont function as well. My advice is get the Panzer and upgrade the stock or stop being a cheap AZZ and pay thousands more for the real Italian Stallion. Cheap toliet paper YES cheap firearms NO.
Good to see you again brother 🤝
I had watched your video a few weeks back and I could not remember who's video or the name of the mag tube manufacturer was. So I had to go through a few to find this again. Good info. My M4 clone shipped today, a Gforce that is on sale at sportsman's guide for just under $300 and free shipping.
I think the review Ginsboy mentions is from American Arms Channel, his pic rail came loose and he lost two screws and damaged the threads on two others.
Good video to compare the two guns. Did you notice any difference in the build quality of the bolt and receiver between the two? Curious if they were interchangeable. I do notice a lot of similarities between these guns and my Tristar Raptor ATAC bought in 2012.
This is with an Aksa s4
Glad to see a new video from you on TH-cam. Like seeing the boss get involved in the shooting with you, stay SAFE out there in the south and be ready it's not looking good these days.
Good video, definitely gave me confidence to buy the panzer soon.
Glad to see you back doing videos. Always enjoy your content.....
Can we get a review on the cell phone holster? Lol, great video.
Man these things are popular right now!
Junk
great observations
I have the Benelli & I’d use it & trust it like we did in Afghanistan. I’m not sure about these imitations so I’ll stay away . Any gun that’s not fully reliable for me in a self defense role is not a tool I’ll bet my life on .
Türkiye not turkey