God bless the UPCI. I was a member for 40 years. My Pastor, despite our numerous conversations, had some unrealistic and unbiblical restrictions on him allowing me to fulfill my calling to evangelism. However, growing up in the UPCI equipped me to heed the call elsewhere by equipping me in many areas. I’m now an assistant pastor at another church but I will always love you all. You’re family and Jesus has one church. Great teaching Bro. Bernard.
I don't understand why divorce and remarriage disqualifies someone. If you have Biblical grounds Paul said if you are married to a non believer and they wish to leave let them leave and you are not under bondage, Jesus said for the cause of adultery. And then I thought even at that when you repent He cast your sins out, so why would you still hold it against someone that God has called?
Unless you are family, I know a Upci Pastor who married a divorced woman who is a sister of a pastor high up. They do favors for there family members. Pay attention its a family buisness.
If you don't have a upc church where you live help start one and recruit a upc pastor ...there are lots of closed churches that need to be reopened as a. Upc church.
God will only start through a revelation given to a five-folder (Eph 4:11) as per scripture. In scripture he doesn't authorize non-Ministers to start & recruit a pastor as that isn't God's biblical way. God appoints a pastor directly or through other pastors/elders etc 🙏
@@GodsView1many people don't know this and we end up with millions of pastors worldwide whom.Christ does not know 😢😢 has not anointed and as such have not tarried and will never walk in POWER after being SENT ! Worldly religious standards are useless
@Mike F yes, it is. God spoke and told them to separate Paul for his ministry. It wasn't a feeling or thought. God speaks audibly as well as inwardly in a distinct manner
@willdyer6261 - Hey Will - so - I agree with the notion of God calling men to share in Christ's ministry... but the 'how' is literally undefined -- and I really think it comes down to the person... in how God will move upon the heart - because God recognizes who we are and How he has framed us. When I began to consider my ways ... before I even had 'fruits of repentance'... I remember hearing Christ God speaking to me as I was pushing a lawn mower in the median of a boulevard in the heat of a Florida Summer Day.... I heard the Spirit expressly speaking 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End - I am Jesus.' I thought it was heat stroke. But, there are times since that day 40 years ago... where God impressed upon my heart. This isn't just a whim or fancy - a fleeting thought that quickly comes and goes... but it is rather contemplative... and at times, folks outside my thoughts - unknowingly speak to me confirming what I wrestle with in my private thoughts and devotion. But, the invitation to share in Christ's ministry is truly self-less... and Profit Prophets usually have a whole lotta ego wrapped up in the 'possessive'... me my I .... That ministry unfolds by the Spirit ... and historically and traditionally has been confirmed by the Church... Axios. I know this isn't the practice of the UPCI organization. Salvation is about 'you'... Ministry is about about 'others' in the priesthood of believers and 'ministry of 'helps'.... The Diaconate and Priesthood is about self-less leadership that guide others in proper worship and orderly Christian living ... and oftentimes - with little to no compensation for their intensive labor serving the people. The Roman Church was guilty of simony... and that practice seems to be present throughout all sects found in the Fractured West. When I was in Seminary and we were discussing Simony - I was like 'how is this different than what I see being done in movements of Modernity.' The professor gave me the 'shhh!' face indicating the establishment was doing just that... and that he agreed with my assessment. That was the time I began officially moving from Protestantism into Holy Orthodoxy.
@@realmccoy124 does God not speak audibly still today? I agree that God can impress us with discernment, the gift that is, but he can literally speak within our spirit as well as audibly. I know this for a fact
@@Post-Trib God CAN speak audibly today, but He is not obligated to in order for someone to be called to ministry. Citing Paul's example is not evidence that everyone will be called in the same way. By that logic, you could also claim that everyone must have the exact experience Paul had on the road to Damascus. Obviously, such a claim is ludicrous.
We're not sure what form you are referring to. UPCI ministers are required to pay dues either quarterly or annually, but there are no monthly fees. (Podcast Production Team)
@@DavidKBernardUPCI I was wondering what the fees were for? I didn't hear anything in this episode regarding that and I think it would be helpful to understand why one needs to pay dues to keep their license. Especially if they're already tithing.
Ministerial dues help pay for the credentialed ministers' insurance benefits, a subscription to the Pentecostal Life and Forward magazines, and help cover administrative costs at our organization's world headquarters. (Podcast Production Team)
Titus 2 1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. 3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Are we teaching this in the Apostolic Bible colleges to the men? That our woman do not work. We are one household incomes. I cannot say I have ever heard this taught by any credential minister.
Also, 1st Timothy 3 is referenced in this post as a basis for credential ministers. Everywhere in this chapter down to being a deacon in the church. You can only serve in these roles if you are the husband of ONE wife. How is that ever misinterpreted? When do we have the Love and fear of God that if I do not qualify as a husband of ONE wife only. I am not called and I do not serve in these roles? There are other places to serve in different capacities.
Superintendent Bernard here's a good question for the Monday Morning Series per Matthew 12:36 “Jesus said, “I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken” . What are empty words? Why would Jesus choose this as a promise of something that would come up on Judgement Day?
How about stop allowing local pastors to “gatekeep”? Many promising people have not been given access or encouragement because a local pastor is either not willing to share the spotlight or their church is a family business or dynasty. Also, as a woman I have been told flat out my chances of being licensed are nil. As much as I admire the UPCI and Rev Bernard, I will likely pursue licensure with a different organization more welcoming and supportive to women.
I agree with your first part. Yet, that is the format demonstrated in Scripture. The problem is we have way too many non-godly-minded local pastors among us. Most of them I would never trust. As for your latter comments, maybe you should recognize the clear teaching and pattern of the New Testament, which is that formal ministry in the capacity of church leadership is for men, not women. Women do not teach or preach or lead in the local church. This is an indisputable teaching of Paul. Women teach other women and children. Not men. When we each follow our God-established roles, there is order and beauty.
Hi Sister Sunshine TV - from a different perspective that is outside of the Protestant fronema (mindset). The Church historically hasn’t permitted women into the priesthood. The theology behind that is complex. But in a reader’s digest answer - because when the priest is fully vested, he becomes the icon of Christ to the laity. Because Christ God was incarnated as a man, and resurrected and ascended as a man - and is present during the Divine Liturgy ‘consubstantial’ … the Church maintains a strict line. Also, no women are permitted beyond the solea and into the Sanctuary (the area behind the iconostasis where the holy table is positioned). Only males can serve as acolytes. There are women in religious life vocations - who serve the Body as nuns. I have only met two nuns to date. And that was outside of the Divine Liturgy so I don’t know a lot about monastics. One of my favorite orthodox scholars is a woman, Dr Jeanie Constantinou. She can certainly hold her own - and is very informative. But this is how it has always been… and the Orthodox Church rarely changes… if at all. Trust you are well. Lovingly, Lee.
The Ancient and Unbroken Church set a pattern for entry into the ordination of the priesthood based on what is mentioned in the Pauline Epistles. It remains steadfastly in place. Firstly, as controversial as this is in Modernity - it remains open only to men. The beginning steps towards the priesthood is the ‘Reader’. This man can be appointed by his local priest to serve unofficially in this capacity. Should he desire to progress with his priest’s recommendation, he will present himself before the Archbishop and will be confirmed by the Church. He is tonsured by the bishop. The Reader’s role is very important to the lifecycle of the Church. He must learn to read the word in ‘simple chant’. He leads the people in their prayers during Orthos / Matins. He serves behind the iconostasis as an acolyte, learning the flow of the Divine Liturgy. He grows in wisdom and in knowledge of the Scriptures. He also reads the Old Testament in the Week Days to the faithful gathered…. And the readings for Vesperal prayers on Saturday evening. He reads the Epistles on Sunday. There are official training centers called Seminaries that prepare those who are called to share in the ministry of Christ. The man must be married before entering into the Diaconate, or he must remain celibate throughout his life. He then presents himself again before the Archbishop, and experiences a special rite where he begins his public ministry. He is confirmed by the Church with the calling out of ‘AXIOS’ -- and unless there is that calling out of ‘AXIOS’ he is refrained from this entry level ordination. From there he must progress a minimum of five years before he can become a priest - again presenting himself to the Archbishop and undergo a specific rite - and confirmed by the Church with cheers of ‘AXIOS’. It takes approximately 12 years from tonsured reader - to - Priest through the Diaconate. Only the ordained priest can consecrate the Gifts, serve in the Mystery of Confession, and publicly read the Gospels in the Divine Liturgy. The Church confirms the man into public ministry. The whole while - the laity serve within their parish and their communities. And, of course there is ministry specifically for women to serve in ‘religious life’. However, I am not knowledgeable enough to write about it - but there are certainly monastics who faithfully serve the Body comprised of monks an nuns. This structure served the Church well for well over a thousand years before Rome began innovating the Faith in the West, leading up to the further fracturing that occurred in the Reformation - where every wind of doctrine resurfaced and blew upon the Protestant Stew - adding unique ‘flavorings’ not found in the Ancient and Unbroken Church. Since then, every sectarian group that have formed their own context towards religious life and organizational norms apart from Orthodoxy - have created their own path towards qualifying their ministers. The UPCI, the SBC, the AOG, the UMC, LDS, SDA, and the list goes on and on - have determined their own traditions of qualifying their people towards administrations in their corporate groups. The UPCI Culture historically has frowned upon collegiate education within the University system with much fear. Oftentimes, the people have misguided young folks that they’re called into ‘ministry’ (context is ‘preaching’ or pulpit ministry). The standing joke back in the day that Bible College was really ‘Bridal College’ - where young people better have that ‘ring by spring’ of their first year. Of course, this is a broad brush I am using here… not all folks in the UPCI are uneducated, or had their degrees conferred by Bible Colleges. But, I would assert that God calls people in their humanity to serve all mankind in various disciplines - of medicine, of law, of humanities, of theology, of sciences, of psychology, of philosophies, of mathematics, etc. - and yet, these folks glorify God with their good deeds working outside of the ‘Church’ context. Without a doubt, God calls men into his priesthood. Some folks may be called to serve the Body in monastic communities. While others may be called to serve God as teachers, doctors - mechanical and electrical engineers… farmers, truck drivers, tradesmen - etc. And even though they are not called directly into the priesthood, they walk in the anointing God has placed upon them - in their vocation. Of course this is a different perspective of what Dr. Bernard presenting. All are called to the ‘priesthood of believers’ - but not everyone is called or is qualified to serve in leadership within an organization. Some folks within the UPCI have relied upon their ‘Pentecostal Pedigree’ to advance themselves and their financial gains within the organization. It is never about ‘you’ and ‘your’ ministry…. The Theology of Ordination, as it was practiced in the Ancients and remains steadfastly in place - a man is invited by Christ God to share in His ministry - and God’s salvific plan of Reconciliation of the cosmos.
Scripturally those that were called in the Bible were conferred as called by God Himself without any organisational processes. God trains them up in his way without certificates. Not that God may not use certificates though it is not actually scriptural and not needing them is scriptural. It is about the called person following God's Will for themselves and showing themselves before God and men in ministry as approved by what they do and conduct.
@@GodsView1 - considering that the Bible wasn't canonized until the 5th Century - we immediately have a problem with your assertion of God using the Holy Tradition of Scripture. God is orderly. The earliest of Christians worshiped in the Synagogue... historically we know they included the incorporated the reading of the Psalms on Saturday evening. This ancient practice is called Vespers and continues as it has for nearly 2000 years. There was an orderly way into priesthood before Christ God's Incarnation in the Virgin Mary ... and those ways were incorporated into the Earliest of Christian communities. Who trained Paul? The Bishop of Damascus did. The Apostle Paul already had some creds - but he had to learn the ways of the Church - her teachings and Traditions. The Orthodox Church has changed the least of all Christian groups. They have preserved and defended the Faith as it was handed down by the Apostles. Obviously, not everyone read the Scriptures and applied them correctly back in the Bible days... we see Paul correcting crazy things... and defending the True Faith from Arianism, Gnosticism and the Judaizers... so much for folks learning on their own. The Church in her wisdom will not permit novices to minister to the faithful... normally it is 12 years of preparation before they are parish priests.
@@GodsView1this is true. Paul shows this in Romans Chapter . Living a consencrated life. Led by the Holy Spirit. Alot of worldly ways have entered the church
@@realmccoy124Your problem is that you follow traditions of men not God. Most of you don't know nor know the Holy Spirit. You claim Paul was taught by "Damascus" while it's clear His life was fully submitted and led by the Holy Spirit. Is there anyone who has such revelation like Paul? Personally I loathe man made religion. This is what you spew. Wearing long robes and practicing rituals with ZERO Holy Spirit. I sympathise with your religious ways. Christ came to bring the KINGDOM OF GOD not a religion. He fought religious people like you all the time. May you learn the KINGDOM. May the LORD give us understanding.
Im part of a upci church, im going up this year for my local license in CAL Western District, but when i was 18 committed a roberry and went to prison for 3 years would i still qualify l, i have good testimony for 10 years and have all qualifications. I was also part of equipped program.
From a different point of view. Please don't put too much pressure on a young person to to get their Minister's License. Especially before they're ready. I personally have seen this happen and the results were devastating.
You are 100 percent correct in your recommendation here based on your observations. I also witnessed this back in the day when I walked among the Oneness Pentecostals Camp - where a young man is sent off to youth camp, has an incredible God moment, and upon returning to his normal life everyone begins to ‘speak a word’ over the young man…. And that misapplied pressure interferes with God’s true calling on that young man’s life. Of course, God calls young ladies too into various works within His Church… but NOT everyone is called into the pulpit ministry… some are called to serve mankind apart from the Church - yet through their Faith and Obedience in Christ Jesus - in various vocations that benefit folks.
Its so sad to see young people being pressured to follow in their parents or grandparents footsteps in the ministry. If these kids do not have a divine call from God Almighty please do not manipulate and try to make these young people into something YOU desire for them. I see a lot of nepotism and politics in our churches. So sad.
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I know for a fact that I wont ever get my license through UPCI or ALJC. Its because my wife wears alittle bit of jewlrey, even though she is filled with Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus name. Because we know how frowned up that is to many people. I for one am ok with that
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God bless the UPCI. I was a member for 40 years. My Pastor, despite our numerous conversations, had some unrealistic and unbiblical restrictions on him allowing me to fulfill my calling to evangelism. However, growing up in the UPCI equipped me to heed the call elsewhere by equipping me in many areas. I’m now an assistant pastor at another church but I will always love you all. You’re family and Jesus has one church. Great teaching Bro. Bernard.
I don't understand why divorce and remarriage disqualifies someone. If you have Biblical grounds Paul said if you are married to a non believer and they wish to leave let them leave and you are not under bondage, Jesus said for the cause of adultery. And then I thought even at that when you repent He cast your sins out, so why would you still hold it against someone that God has called?
Unless you are family, I know a Upci Pastor who married a divorced woman who is a sister of a pastor high up. They do favors for there family members. Pay attention its a family buisness.
If you don't have a upc church where you live help start one and recruit a upc pastor ...there are lots of closed churches that need to be reopened as a. Upc church.
God will only start through a revelation given to a five-folder (Eph 4:11) as per scripture. In scripture he doesn't authorize non-Ministers to start & recruit a pastor as that isn't God's biblical way. God appoints a pastor directly or through other pastors/elders etc 🙏
@@GodsView1many people don't know this and we end up with millions of pastors worldwide whom.Christ does not know 😢😢 has not anointed and as such have not tarried and will never walk in POWER after being SENT !
Worldly religious standards are useless
The most important aspect is actually being called and chosen by God. It's not a felling or thought. It's audible
No it’s not
@Mike F yes, it is. God spoke and told them to separate Paul for his ministry. It wasn't a feeling or thought. God speaks audibly as well as inwardly in a distinct manner
@willdyer6261 - Hey Will - so - I agree with the notion of God calling men to share in Christ's ministry... but the 'how' is literally undefined -- and I really think it comes down to the person... in how God will move upon the heart - because God recognizes who we are and How he has framed us.
When I began to consider my ways ... before I even had 'fruits of repentance'... I remember hearing Christ God speaking to me as I was pushing a lawn mower in the median of a boulevard in the heat of a Florida Summer Day.... I heard the Spirit expressly speaking 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and End - I am Jesus.' I thought it was heat stroke.
But, there are times since that day 40 years ago... where God impressed upon my heart. This isn't just a whim or fancy - a fleeting thought that quickly comes and goes... but it is rather contemplative... and at times, folks outside my thoughts - unknowingly speak to me confirming what I wrestle with in my private thoughts and devotion.
But, the invitation to share in Christ's ministry is truly self-less... and Profit Prophets usually have a whole lotta ego wrapped up in the 'possessive'... me my I .... That ministry unfolds by the Spirit ... and historically and traditionally has been confirmed by the Church... Axios. I know this isn't the practice of the UPCI organization.
Salvation is about 'you'... Ministry is about about 'others' in the priesthood of believers and 'ministry of 'helps'.... The Diaconate and Priesthood is about self-less leadership that guide others in proper worship and orderly Christian living ... and oftentimes - with little to no compensation for their intensive labor serving the people.
The Roman Church was guilty of simony... and that practice seems to be present throughout all sects found in the Fractured West. When I was in Seminary and we were discussing Simony - I was like 'how is this different than what I see being done in movements of Modernity.' The professor gave me the 'shhh!' face indicating the establishment was doing just that... and that he agreed with my assessment. That was the time I began officially moving from Protestantism into Holy Orthodoxy.
@@realmccoy124 does God not speak audibly still today? I agree that God can impress us with discernment, the gift that is, but he can literally speak within our spirit as well as audibly. I know this for a fact
@@Post-Trib God CAN speak audibly today, but He is not obligated to in order for someone to be called to ministry. Citing Paul's example is not evidence that everyone will be called in the same way. By that logic, you could also claim that everyone must have the exact experience Paul had on the road to Damascus. Obviously, such a claim is ludicrous.
Greetings menthor. Amen
I’m working on my local now
Thank you for post.
David k Bernard. His microphone is experiencing interruptions. At 10:40
Amen
I know on the forms it says there is a $5 monthly fee for the license. I was wondering what the reasoning was for a monthly fee?
We're not sure what form you are referring to. UPCI ministers are required to pay dues either quarterly or annually, but there are no monthly fees. (Podcast Production Team)
@@DavidKBernardUPCI Ok. I did see the quarterly fees and annual for sure.
@@DavidKBernardUPCI I was wondering what the fees were for? I didn't hear anything in this episode regarding that and I think it would be helpful to understand why one needs to pay dues to keep their license. Especially if they're already tithing.
Ministerial dues help pay for the credentialed ministers' insurance benefits, a subscription to the Pentecostal Life and Forward magazines, and help cover administrative costs at our organization's world headquarters. (Podcast Production Team)
@@DavidKBernardUPCI😂😂😂😂 are any of these BIBLICAL?
The church is dying because MAMMON is in control.
It's all about $$$$$$$$$
Titus 2
1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Are we teaching this in the Apostolic Bible colleges to the men? That our woman do not work. We are one household incomes.
I cannot say I have ever heard this taught by any credential minister.
Also, 1st Timothy 3 is referenced in this post as a basis for credential ministers. Everywhere in this chapter down to being a deacon in the church. You can only serve in these roles if you are the husband of ONE wife. How is that ever misinterpreted?
When do we have the Love and fear of God that if I do not qualify as a husband of ONE wife only. I am not called and I do not serve in these roles?
There are other places to serve in different capacities.
Superintendent Bernard here's a good question for the Monday Morning Series per Matthew 12:36 “Jesus said, “I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken” . What are empty words? Why would Jesus choose this as a promise of something that would come up on Judgement Day?
Thank you for the question. We will add it to our list of potential episodes. (Podcast Production Team)
How about stop allowing local pastors to “gatekeep”? Many promising people have not been given access or encouragement because a local pastor is either not willing to share the spotlight or their church is a family business or dynasty. Also, as a woman I have been told flat out my chances of being licensed are nil. As much as I admire the UPCI and Rev Bernard, I will likely pursue licensure with a different organization more welcoming and supportive to women.
I agree with your first part. Yet, that is the format demonstrated in Scripture. The problem is we have way too many non-godly-minded local pastors among us. Most of them I would never trust.
As for your latter comments, maybe you should recognize the clear teaching and pattern of the New Testament, which is that formal ministry in the capacity of church leadership is for men, not women. Women do not teach or preach or lead in the local church. This is an indisputable teaching of Paul. Women teach other women and children. Not men. When we each follow our God-established roles, there is order and beauty.
Hi Sister Sunshine TV - from a different perspective that is outside of the Protestant fronema (mindset). The Church historically hasn’t permitted women into the priesthood. The theology behind that is complex. But in a reader’s digest answer - because when the priest is fully vested, he becomes the icon of Christ to the laity. Because Christ God was incarnated as a man, and resurrected and ascended as a man - and is present during the Divine Liturgy ‘consubstantial’ … the Church maintains a strict line. Also, no women are permitted beyond the solea and into the Sanctuary (the area behind the iconostasis where the holy table is positioned). Only males can serve as acolytes.
There are women in religious life vocations - who serve the Body as nuns. I have only met two nuns to date. And that was outside of the Divine Liturgy so I don’t know a lot about monastics.
One of my favorite orthodox scholars is a woman, Dr Jeanie Constantinou. She can certainly hold her own - and is very informative.
But this is how it has always been… and the Orthodox Church rarely changes… if at all.
Trust you are well. Lovingly, Lee.
The Ancient and Unbroken Church set a pattern for entry into the ordination of the priesthood based on what is mentioned in the Pauline Epistles. It remains steadfastly in place. Firstly, as controversial as this is in Modernity - it remains open only to men. The beginning steps towards the priesthood is the ‘Reader’. This man can be appointed by his local priest to serve unofficially in this capacity. Should he desire to progress with his priest’s recommendation, he will present himself before the Archbishop and will be confirmed by the Church. He is tonsured by the bishop. The Reader’s role is very important to the lifecycle of the Church. He must learn to read the word in ‘simple chant’. He leads the people in their prayers during Orthos / Matins. He serves behind the iconostasis as an acolyte, learning the flow of the Divine Liturgy. He grows in wisdom and in knowledge of the Scriptures. He also reads the Old Testament in the Week Days to the faithful gathered…. And the readings for Vesperal prayers on Saturday evening. He reads the Epistles on Sunday.
There are official training centers called Seminaries that prepare those who are called to share in the ministry of Christ. The man must be married before entering into the Diaconate, or he must remain celibate throughout his life. He then presents himself again before the Archbishop, and experiences a special rite where he begins his public ministry. He is confirmed by the Church with the calling out of ‘AXIOS’ -- and unless there is that calling out of ‘AXIOS’ he is refrained from this entry level ordination. From there he must progress a minimum of five years before he can become a priest - again presenting himself to the Archbishop and undergo a specific rite - and confirmed by the Church with cheers of ‘AXIOS’.
It takes approximately 12 years from tonsured reader - to - Priest through the Diaconate. Only the ordained priest can consecrate the Gifts, serve in the Mystery of Confession, and publicly read the Gospels in the Divine Liturgy. The Church confirms the man into public ministry.
The whole while - the laity serve within their parish and their communities. And, of course there is ministry specifically for women to serve in ‘religious life’. However, I am not knowledgeable enough to write about it - but there are certainly monastics who faithfully serve the Body comprised of monks an nuns.
This structure served the Church well for well over a thousand years before Rome began innovating the Faith in the West, leading up to the further fracturing that occurred in the Reformation - where every wind of doctrine resurfaced and blew upon the Protestant Stew - adding unique ‘flavorings’ not found in the Ancient and Unbroken Church.
Since then, every sectarian group that have formed their own context towards religious life and organizational norms apart from Orthodoxy - have created their own path towards qualifying their ministers. The UPCI, the SBC, the AOG, the UMC, LDS, SDA, and the list goes on and on - have determined their own traditions of qualifying their people towards administrations in their corporate groups.
The UPCI Culture historically has frowned upon collegiate education within the University system with much fear. Oftentimes, the people have misguided young folks that they’re called into ‘ministry’ (context is ‘preaching’ or pulpit ministry). The standing joke back in the day that Bible College was really ‘Bridal College’ - where young people better have that ‘ring by spring’ of their first year. Of course, this is a broad brush I am using here… not all folks in the UPCI are uneducated, or had their degrees conferred by Bible Colleges. But, I would assert that God calls people in their humanity to serve all mankind in various disciplines - of medicine, of law, of humanities, of theology, of sciences, of psychology, of philosophies, of mathematics, etc. - and yet, these folks glorify God with their good deeds working outside of the ‘Church’ context.
Without a doubt, God calls men into his priesthood. Some folks may be called to serve the Body in monastic communities. While others may be called to serve God as teachers, doctors - mechanical and electrical engineers… farmers, truck drivers, tradesmen - etc. And even though they are not called directly into the priesthood, they walk in the anointing God has placed upon them - in their vocation.
Of course this is a different perspective of what Dr. Bernard presenting. All are called to the ‘priesthood of believers’ - but not everyone is called or is qualified to serve in leadership within an organization. Some folks within the UPCI have relied upon their ‘Pentecostal Pedigree’ to advance themselves and their financial gains within the organization. It is never about ‘you’ and ‘your’ ministry…. The Theology of Ordination, as it was practiced in the Ancients and remains steadfastly in place - a man is invited by Christ God to share in His ministry - and God’s salvific plan of Reconciliation of the cosmos.
Scripturally those that were called in the Bible were conferred as called by God Himself without any organisational processes. God trains them up in his way without certificates. Not that God may not use certificates though it is not actually scriptural and not needing them is scriptural. It is about the called person following God's Will for themselves and showing themselves before God and men in ministry as approved by what they do and conduct.
@@GodsView1 - considering that the Bible wasn't canonized until the 5th Century - we immediately have a problem with your assertion of God using the Holy Tradition of Scripture. God is orderly. The earliest of Christians worshiped in the Synagogue... historically we know they included the incorporated the reading of the Psalms on Saturday evening. This ancient practice is called Vespers and continues as it has for nearly 2000 years. There was an orderly way into priesthood before Christ God's Incarnation in the Virgin Mary ... and those ways were incorporated into the Earliest of Christian communities.
Who trained Paul? The Bishop of Damascus did. The Apostle Paul already had some creds - but he had to learn the ways of the Church - her teachings and Traditions.
The Orthodox Church has changed the least of all Christian groups. They have preserved and defended the Faith as it was handed down by the Apostles. Obviously, not everyone read the Scriptures and applied them correctly back in the Bible days... we see Paul correcting crazy things... and defending the True Faith from Arianism, Gnosticism and the Judaizers... so much for folks learning on their own.
The Church in her wisdom will not permit novices to minister to the faithful... normally it is 12 years of preparation before they are parish priests.
@@GodsView1this is true. Paul shows this in Romans Chapter . Living a consencrated life. Led by the Holy Spirit.
Alot of worldly ways have entered the church
@@realmccoy124Your problem is that you follow traditions of men not God.
Most of you don't know nor know the Holy Spirit.
You claim Paul was taught by "Damascus" while it's clear His life was fully submitted and led by the Holy Spirit.
Is there anyone who has such revelation like Paul?
Personally I loathe man made religion. This is what you spew. Wearing long robes and practicing rituals with ZERO Holy Spirit.
I sympathise with your religious ways.
Christ came to bring the KINGDOM OF GOD not a religion. He fought religious people like you all the time.
May you learn the KINGDOM.
May the LORD give us understanding.
@@J_a_s_o_n Spot on
Im part of a upci church, im going up this year for my local license in CAL Western District, but when i was 18 committed a roberry and went to prison for 3 years would i still qualify l, i have good testimony for 10 years and have all qualifications. I was also part of equipped program.
From a different point of view. Please don't put too much pressure on a young person to to get their Minister's License. Especially before they're ready. I personally have seen this happen and the results were devastating.
You are 100 percent correct in your recommendation here based on your observations. I also witnessed this back in the day when I walked among the Oneness Pentecostals Camp - where a young man is sent off to youth camp, has an incredible God moment, and upon returning to his normal life everyone begins to ‘speak a word’ over the young man…. And that misapplied pressure interferes with God’s true calling on that young man’s life. Of course, God calls young ladies too into various works within His Church… but NOT everyone is called into the pulpit ministry… some are called to serve mankind apart from the Church - yet through their Faith and Obedience in Christ Jesus - in various vocations that benefit folks.
@@realmccoy124 Well said sir.
There seems to be an epidemic of this mentality in the UPC.
Its so sad to see young people being pressured to follow in their parents or grandparents footsteps in the ministry. If these kids do not have a divine call from God Almighty please do not manipulate and try to make these young people into something YOU desire for them. I see a lot of nepotism and politics in our churches. So sad.
@@cathygrant1823yes only God chooses and anoints them for ministry
EPHESIANS chapter 4:11
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@danymilll707 Yes but my name is zacharia and Not Nancy.
@@nancykagera9197zacharia please read Ephesians Chapter 4:11
You need it so much ❤❤
I know for a fact that I wont ever get my license through UPCI or ALJC. Its because my wife wears alittle bit of jewlrey, even though she is filled with Holy Ghost and baptized in Jesus name. Because we know how frowned up that is to many people.
I for one am ok with that
BTW: King Jesus Yeshua wears the Crown Jewels /the parable Of The prodigal Son His Father Put a ring in his son’s finger.❤Just dialoguing