David K Bernard is a very renowned respected teacher of the bible, however I am very disappointed with this explanation. Answering a new testament instruction from the Apostle Paul who was sent to the GENTILES with odd rare, old testament scriptural occurances was suprising. Incidently outside of the role of prophetess there are zero example to contradict the Apostle Paul. It almost like saying David a man after Gods own heart (in the old testament) had many wives, so Gods not really opposed to us having more than 1 wife today!! His New testament arguments against what Paul said was largely based on maybes...not scriptural fact. Paul in his final letter gave a clear instruction in relation to teaching or upsurping Authority over the man. If it was about women teaching false doctrine as was said, surely that would apply to the man also ? Paul gives creations order and fall as the reason. Its Gods Divine order.
In regard to Romans 16:7, around the 10 minute 10 second mark of this video, in reference to the two people mentioned in this verse, which brother Bernard says one was a woman, brother Bernard says that the scripture teaches they were “notable apostles.” Brother Bernard is in error regarding this matter. The King James version of this particular scripture says, “…who are of note among the apostles.” The scripture does not say as he claims, that they were notable apostles. Read it for yourself in the KJV. In the NIV version it states, that they were “outstanding among the apostles.” In the amplified Bible the scripture reads as, “held in high esteem among the apostles.” In the new living translation it reads this way, “they are highly respected among the apostles.” There is no scripture from Matthew to Revelation that states any woman was an apostle. What brother Bernard has done with Romans 16:7 is to try to make it say something that it does not say. Even commentators on this scripture bring out the facts that this scripture is referring to these two individuals as being held in high esteem, or respect, among the apostles. They were not apostles and we should not be changing the scripture to fit what we may believe in regard to women in ministry.
You have a powerful point there, for even in the various greek manuscripts they mention "noted among the apostles". But if I may cross-reference this with an OT verse in 1Samuels where a question was asked if Saul was also AMONG the prophets, which context means his also being a prophet to be truly be among the prophets. Now I am not trying to prove anything by this cross-reference, but I personally do not believe it necessarily means Junia was merely in the company of the apostles, even though that very well could be the case. To me it is more likely that the "noted among the apostles", also makes her an apostle. Furthermore, the concept of "among the apostles", in my personal view which is subject to error, implies that the full apostolic ministry of the apostles, Junia was involved in, as well as the others mentioned. These apostles were travelling missionaries of the gospel, who had companions of the gospel with them, assisting them in their ministry. I find it a little difficult to accept that they would go about with the apostles, and not even teach the word. The apostles' ministry, which includes their going about in spreading the word, included all who participated in the same ministry where all can be referred to as apostles. But you do have a point however, that the verse said "noted among the apostles".
No, he's using an exergisis that differs from your exergisis on a specific verse but his is backed up by old testament examples while yours fails to explain why God has changed his mind on the subject. And making an argument to authority where your authority is protestant commentators is not a proper supporting evidence if scripture shows the alternative. Apostolics are by definition restatutionalists and those commentators you mention are filled with Greek philosophical flaws....
@@michaelwaters6829 Hey there. I disagree. Bernard said the scripture says they were notable Apostles. I do not know what version he was reading from, but the kJV says they are of note “among” the apostles. This can mean they stood out or were prominent servants. Scholars have debated this for years…..Paul speaks so well of them out of respect because they were in Christ before he was. As to Bernard’s exergisis , he uses the same Protestant/ Trinitarian commentators as everyone else. I read his book on Romans. Lastly, please show were God has an opinion on this subject.
@@dgreenja8051 in the case of king Saul when he prophesied there is never a mention of him being a prophet. The people asked, is Saul also among the prophets? These were individuals giving their opinion about king Saul. The writer of the book of Samuel makes no mention that Saul was a prophet. In the case of the book of Romans, the apostle Paul is writing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. And he makes mention Of these two individuals, that they are of note among the apostles. He does not say they are notable apostles. Brother Bernard makes the statement from that same verse saying that they were notable apostles. There is no way around this. That is incorrect, the scripture does not say they were notable apostles. What it does say is, who are of note among the apostles. To take that phrase, that they are of note among the apostles, and translate it to say they are notable apostles is changing the scripture. We can leave out the commentators if you like. Let’s just stick with chapter 16 and verse seven. And you will find no phrase in there that states, they were notable apostles. If brother Bernard would have said, this could mean that they possibly were notable apostles, then that is one thing. But that’s not what he said. He came out and clearly said, that these two individuals were notable apostles. There is no scripture that makes that statement.
@@michaelwaters6829 let’s forget the commentators and put that aside since you claim that they have flaws, and I’m sure they do. Let’s just stick with the scripture, Romans chapter 16 verse seven. You mentioned the Old Testament however, there is nothing in the Old Testament that refers to the word apostles. That term is found only in the New Testament. Brother Bernard clearly stated, that they were notable apostles. The scripture does not say that. Can you find any scripture in any of the other Bible translations that comes out and states they were apostles, or notable apostles? It’s not found in any translation. apostle Paul never said, that they were notable apostles. Brother Bernard said that but the apostle Paul did not. I don’t think we should challenge that Holy Ghost filled writer, the apostle Paul, and change what he said to something else. I will stick with the word of God and say, Paul said, that they were of note among the apostles, but not that they were notable apostles. Please give us a scripture that says they were notable apostles, it does not exist. To say, there is a possibility that they could have been apostles or notable apostles, that is one thing. But to come out and say that the Scriptures teach that they were, “notable apostles,” is something else all together.
Correct when you say woman can be a prophetess, but prophesying is not preaching, big difference, people just don't want to except GOD'S word like it is,
Exactly UPC is close but they are off on this and head covering and thats why the spirit at the churches are not as strong more sbout dancing then spiritual revival
@@jaykinggilmai6899 They are the same thing outside the church. But within the church the leadership is made up of men. Just as in the home women are taking leadership roles they are not supposed to; so too in the church we are having the same problem. I’m sure you have read this before. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@@jaykinggilmai6899 To prophesy is not the same as to preach. One is a calling from God (preaching), to publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief). The other is the action of making a prophetic prediction. In other words: "EVERYONE (Every Spirit filled/Holy Ghost filled believer) under the power of the Holy Spirit, if God so wills it, has the potential to prophesy. But not EVERYONE IS CALLED, nor has the ability preach"
I believe that the Holy Spirit is the best teacher and interpreter of Scripture. I am not fully convinced that the explanations concerning women, as preachers in a Church congregation set up has been fully exhausted. I'm one of the people who still feel that the Apostle Paul meant what he stated in simple terms.
I left my church because our co-pastor was a woman. I'm an ordained Elder, and she made me feel like a boy. She spoke to me authoritatively, and showed no respect for my manhood. I couldn't stomach the idea of being totally submissive to a woman as my pastor.
It's a pity. The Lord didn't give her permission to usurp authority. I think she ought always to show respect. A woman should always be submissive no matter what position she holds. Don't use that woman to say that's why no woman should be a Pastor. Probably she can be asked to preach at times.
The titles, Priest, Pastor, Elder, Bishop, and Deacon are all MALE ministerial titles, not FEMALE titles. I don't believe that it's a sin for a woman to teach the word of God, but I don't believe women are ordained of God to lead the people of God, and speak loud or authoritatively to men. Eve was ordained of God to be Adam's helpmate; Adam fell into sin when he allowed his helpmate to lead him.
I've resettled with this topic for a long time, I've attended Churches who had women preachers, and one Church who has a women Pastor, as a Pastor myself, I read different comments, listen to different opinions, and most importantly study the word of God, and it seems the more I do this, the more I lean to the authority and leadership is that of us men, not degrading women, for we are to love them as Christ loved the Church, and gave his life for it, my wife is a gold mine, and she understands the role we both play as a married couple, as Christian's, and as me a Pastor, and her a Pastors wife, Eve was created for Adam, and not Adam for Eve, man from the beginning was given the authority, but we have to be careful, and not downplay the rolls women have, they are to keep the home, teach younger women, and so on, I'm like a lot of other people, I take 1 Tim literal, it's kinda cut and dry, but we sometimes, ( like a lot of doctrinal debates ) study scripture to prove our point, instead of what the point means.
Ok, so let's say it's the time of David/Solomon. What would be the correct way to describe the judge Deborah? The book of judges was taught to young men and women in the days of the Old Covenant. So how was she taught about before the New Testament? Please use scripture, not conjecture. (Judges 4 and 5)
Well it sounds like you came to the right conclusion woman to be silent in the churches and there to teach the younger woman have it how to act but the problem you're having is reading other men's opinions you need to stop doing that because that will confuse you and manipulate you you better just stick to the words of the prophecy of the book of God because if you end up add one word you're going to add on yourself every plague that is written there and if you take away one word I will take away from you your name of the Lamb's Book of Life and out of his holy city
@@stephenhilborn7386 OK I have a question it says keep silent, should women not be allowed to sing, testify, or prophesy. Not trying to be argumenitive but have struggled with this passage of Scripture for years
Brother I am a UPCI NZ this might help you understand God Will, God will know you as a brother if you do the will of God, God will know a sister if she do the will of God, God will know a mother if she do the will of God, God will know a brother or sister and mother if he or she do the will of God. MATTHEW 12:46-50 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL DO THE WILL of my father which is in heaven, THE SAME is my BROTHER and SISTER and MOTHER. For women preaching or do the will of God, God will know them AS a SISTER if they do the will of God.
@vilisave3751 The will of God for all of us is written in the book of scriptures that we should walk according to his instruction, which he leaves hear for us in the scriptures and one of those instruction according to: 1 Timothy 2:12-14 [12]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. [13]For Adam was first formed, then Eve. [14]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@@JOHNPHOENIXXRELIGIOUSTVThe scripture I give you God him self said it, and that's what we have to obey, every one is involved, brother or sister, for sister to do the will of God, God will know us as a brother or sister or mother if we do his will according to the will.
1 Timothy 3 King James Version 3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) So this rules a “women” out.
You are absolutely correct. God changeth not! However there's this scripture I would like you to interprete for the edification of the Church, ( ... For as many of you as have been Baptisted INTO Christ, have PUT ON Christ! There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither *MALE* nor *FEMALE* , for ye are *ALL ONE* in Christ Jesus!!! Gal 3: 27-28) plz kindly interprete the above passage as you take into consideration the mystery of Christ (the head) inseparable union with His body(the Church)! In other words, plz tell us, is Christ *MALE* OR *FAMALE* ? Thank you.
@@maahju3848 Your problem is thinking that passage is talking about gender. It is simply saying that no one is better than anyone else. God doesn't choose according to who you are, He looks at the heart.
@@hargisP2 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is pretty clear on who has “Usurp authority” over a man nor the congregation! Women are forbidden to teach or preach. They have other responsibilities within the congregation, but preaching and teaching is not one of them. For it was Eve who was deceived by the serpent, not Adam.. Adam fell to his wife and disobeyed God because his wife gave him the apple to eat! And any preacher or Pastor that gives his “opinion” on this topic is already out of line!! God doesn’t care what your opinions are. We must take the Bible cover to cover 100% literally not try to spend the facts to fit our narrative to what we want that’s not how it works and if you are an elders of a church who is ordaining women then you’re out of pocket and out of line period
No! Mr. Bernard is misleading God's people on this issue. A woman preaching to men is indecent, and is out of the order of God! (1 Cor. 14:34-40). The headship and order of God is found in 1 Cor. 11:3: God, Christ, man, woman. And the relationship of husband and wife is a type of Christ and the church (Eph. 5:25-33). Therefore we cannot have a woman preacher unless the church can preach to Christ! "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak... , as also saith the law (Gen. 3:15-17; 1 Cor. 14:34). If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual... let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (14:37) The contents of Paul's epistles to the Corinthians cannot be limited to specific situations in the church at Corinth, or even to the first century church in general. In spite of attempts to do so on multiple topics (e.g., sectarianism, church discipline, litigation, divorce & remarriage, eating meat offered to idols, veilings, hair, communion, gifts of the Spirit, women preachers, the holy kiss, etc.), Paul said that his teachings to them have universal application to believers and churches in ALL places and at ALL times: 1 Cor. 1:2, "Unto the church... at Corinth, with ALL that in EVERY place call upon the name of Jesus..." 4:17, "...as I teach EVERYwhere in EVERY church." 7:17, "And so ordain I in ALL churches." 11:16, "And if any man seem to be contentious, WE have no such custom, neither the churchES of God." 14:33, "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in ALL churches of the saints." In 1 Timothy 2:11-15, Paul refers back to Eden, where the serpent deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam. Therefore because of her ability to be deceived more easily, God placed the woman in subjection to the man. (Gen. 3:15-17) Therefore Paul wrote that for a woman to usurp authority over men, either in a church setting or in the home, is inappropriate (1 Tim. 2:12-15). That is the spirit of Jezebel, which Christ rebuked in his letters to the seven churches of Rev. 2-3.
This man's teachings are very usefull to me. Almost în every subiect he gets it wrong:) That being said, I listen to what he says especially to understand what the wrong understanding is, in almost any subject:))) He made a habit in ignoring the doctrinal passages, like the one you cited, in favor of some narative passages, because you have more liberty there to twist them as you want. That is exactly what he does with the speaking in tongues necessary for salvation, baptism formula etc
Not every man is her autority . Only her husband and a pastor or man of God over a congregation. U reading that as a single scriture instead of reading it understanding that whole letter was written to timothy who was pastoering for Paul. He told timothy to let a women come over him and speak over him to not have authority over him . When a women is submitted onto God and her pastor and her husband .. when she has a word given by God . She goes through her husband and her pastor . To be approved . That's still under submission not putting her own authority.. usurp means to put yout own authority.. but a true women of God won't do that she goes through authority.. to give a word . It would contradict when it sais that daughters will prophesy which mean to give or to understand and bring forth the will of God .look it up it actually means that . Bible don't contradict people just misinterpret scriture
With due respect, I think we should dwell more on scripture than opinions. We have to understand this from how this was instituted from the beginning. The bible says woman were created for man and not and not the other way round. Man was originally created for the purpose of God while the woman was created for a supportive role since God says its not OK for a man to be alone, I will create for him a suitable helper. Its not my intention to oppress women but to interpret scripture. 1 Cor 11 v 3 says that I want you to understand that the head of every woman is a man and the head of a man is Christ..... . There is a clear hierarchy when it comes to the things of God just as Christ is under the Almighty God, so man is answerable to Christ. No wonder in the bible, when Adam and Eve transgressed, God came looking for Adam. Man is accountable to God in leadership with regards to God. Should there be women in leadership, absolutely, and their job is to teach other women to be obedient to their husband and how to raise children in Christian households. Miriam led women, Acquila was in leadership. But women are not given power and authority over man. We can be philosophical and meander all we want but let us understand the scriptures spiritually........
Context, both of the original language and the theology Paul is using. His example in this letter to Timothy is Adam and Eve, the first husband and wife. Compare this passage to I Corinthians 11 where we see divine order, 1) God 2) the Man Jesus Christ 3) the husband 4) his wife. The Greek has multiple words that could be translated "man" with various connotations. The one here in 1 Timothy (same word in chapter 3 with the qualifications for bishops) is "aner" or "husband". There is only (unfortunately) one Greek word for "woman" - "gyne" (from which we derive gynecology and other such medical terms). This word can mean an adult woman, regardless of marital status (single, married, divorced or widowed), but the context supplies the definition. In the case of 1 Timothy chapter 2 (as in the first part of chapter 3 "the husband of one wife"), the proper translation would be wife. This clears up a lot of potential confusion. So verse 12 is better translated, "I do not allow a wife to teach over (contradict the teaching) or usurp authority over the husband. For Adam was first formed ..." The theological context is the family, not a congregation of believers (a church).
Oh. You think it's better when we read the Bible and explain that God's words are exactly what men who wrote at a certain time - in a certain place - say it is? And so women should not Pastor Church? You think this is what God is thinking about? You would rather limit what you know of God - to the Bible? Reduce him to women wearing scarves? Really? And this is the God you have as God? Friend.
One thing is to be used by God another is to be the pastor over a congregation. No one would deny that the scripture supports women as prophets etc both in the so called OT and NT. This man is digressing from the point to avoid the specific clarity of Pauls instruction.
@@shitsugane, We should believe and practice what God has revealed to us through His prophets and apostles... God indeed revealed to us through Paul that woman should not teach man about the words of God, because it was the woman who was deceived by satan not man... Dr. David was referring to the early Christians, not the bible Christians.. There was no woman authorized by the apostles to preach the words of God...
@@sarahdenicolo8546, there was no woman authorized by the apostles to preach the words of God, the scriptures did not prohibit woman to prohecy but to teach man about the words of God and to usurp authority over a man.. Please use your Spiritual understanding...
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo small God You see - I am able to see where it is human beings are speaking and where God is speaking. Human beings are small - and then we make God small. God does not care whether or not women Pastor Church. Infact - he calls people to Pastor and preach - both men and women I do not believe the Universe as we know it was created in six working days either. We are caught by ourselves and our own thoughts of God and then call this God. It's astonishing. He doesn't care whether or not you wear a scarf in Church either. God bless
“In the last days, God says,” “I will pour out my Spirit on all people.” “Your sons and daughters will prophesy.” “Your young will see visions.” “Your elders will dream dreams.” “Even upon my servants, men and women,” “I will pour out my Spirit in those days,” “and they will prophesy.” Acts 2:17-18 Are we living in the last days, and if we do, then the women must be appointed as shown in Act2:17-18
There is a particular role for the women, let the aged women with wisdom, and the one who obey the husband, should be allowed to teach the younger women how to love their husbands. Read the well, specific to teach your women to love their husbands! The Bible did not allow them to rule over men, because of jezebel spirit at work in most churches
The Bible say they wil prophesy, ... prophesy is not limited from women to women, I see the same people who believe the wives must be submissable also allow their wifes to work for money in the market place, and earn a salary. When it comes to church the same people quickly forget that the bible teaches that the husband must work and earn the salary.. when we talk particular roles which is old testament, we quickly repremant that women can not do anything in the church, but its no problem for his wife to go and earn a salary.. The morden day church has double standards, its ok for the wife to work for the world, but not ok to work for Christ. Its is clear from Act 2, that in the last days women will be appointed in church and that they wil prophecy.... otherwise you dwifes should stop working and stay at home, and repent, and do restitusion and pay all the earnings back... So for me, I will alwo my wife to preach the word of God, as longs as the Holy Spirit direct the word as shown in Acts 2
@@11304800 Most of the Old Testament books consist of prophets... were they not preacher? The Major Prophets are Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel . The Minor Prophets are Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi. Not sure why a women can be allowed to prophesy but not preach. It is clear that we see s dispendational change for the later church. Otherwise you font believe in the NT And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: Acts 2:17-18 KJV
Let's look at the wholeness of Scripture, so Bro. Bernard mentioned. This doesn't mean to go and find Scripture that has women speaking in some way to prove your point. This setting in Timothy and in I Cor.14:34,35, is very specific about women speaking and specifically in the gathering of the Saints (1Cor.14). The speaking is not just talking amongst themselves, but teaching and preaching according to the specific definition in the Greek. This English word, Speak or to Speak is used 295 times in the KJV and is used in 67 unique forms. And the Greek spelling, in context, is used in the same verses such as, Jo.7:46, Jo.8:30, Jo.12:50, Acts6:10, Acts11:15, Acts 14:1,9 plus others. The context is preaching/teaching. In Timothy specifically says, teaching, but you are told told that this is referring to a woman with false doctrine. But the Word doesn't say that does it? But it also says, nor usurp authority, which in context means for the Woman not to Govern, exercise dominion over the man. Pretty plain understanding when reading it in context, women in the church are not to exercise governing or teaching/preaching over a man but to silent in these matters! But Why? Verse 14 explains, For Adam was first formed then Eve! There you have it, but there is more, Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in transgression. This has nothing to do with prophecies, teaching Bible studies at home at work or talking in general, But everything to do with not to Pastor/Govern, Teaching/Preaching in the Assembly of the Saints. 1Cor 14 brings this out clearer in verse 34 when, Paul says not to speak (teach/preach), because the law commands this! Not the Mosaic Law, but the Law God put in motion at the fall in the Garden. They would die because they ate Man would work hard And women would suffer in giving birth But also she would be subject to her Man...... This Law, is what Paul was referring to. Why would Paul make this statement? For talking? Come on, this is pretty clear when its studied in Context
@@michaelsherry4860 its not so much as a problem. Both views are reasonable but also both have questions to be answered. The new testament writers seem to write about the Father, Jesus and the Holy spirit with very distinct personalities. Jesus says he will go and the Holy Spirit will come back (in oneness this is like, he'll exit the room, change and come back), and while this can still make some sense, it is also readable to say they are two different persons. When Jesus is baptized the father says this is my son, and then the holy spirit lands as a dove. This is tough to understand if you believe these are all one person and all this happening at the same time.
The trinitarian view is a pantheistic one. Jesus Christ exiting the room and coming back after changing is supported by a number of verses e.g. Luke 24:46-47 KJVS - Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name He speaks about Himself in the third person. It is something God Almighty does in old and new testaments. He also said, "Wherever two or more of you are gathered, I am in the midst.". I have spoken to many who attend trinitarian churches who acknowledge that it is Jesus who is the Spirit who is there. The main problem of trinitarian thinking is thinking of God Almighty as being part of creation i.e. cannot be in two places at exactly the same time. Jesus Christ proclaimed that He can be in 1,000,000+ places at exactly the same time. Jesus Christ is the representation of God Almighty. God needs a vessel to shine out of: Revelation 21:23 KJVS - And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, even the Lamb is the lamp thereof. . Translations are usually perverted to mimic the translators beliefs. You might need to do a study using a greek interlinear to know that the quotes that I am posting are accurate. Revelation 21:22 KJVS - And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty even the Lamb is the temple of it. .... The verb "is" = singular The "even" is usually translated as "and". . Jesus Christ disagreed with the trinitarian view when He said, "John 10:30 KJVS - I even Father are one.". The jews he spoke to understood exactly what He was saying: John 10:33 KJVS - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
@@michaelsherry4860 Well Jesus and the Father are one what? One God. Trinitarians believe its one God. You don't have to accept the Trinity, but denying that its been understood that way since the church early fathers is really goofy for someone who really wants to know the truth.
A woman does not have the authority to teach a man to be a man because he was created first, but she can teach him to be a good man. That is what mothers are for!
Yes God can use sister to do the will of God, God will know you as a brother if you do the will of God, God will know you as a sister or mother ,if you do the will of God,MATTHEW 12:46-50 hope this will help. UPCI NZ God bless.
A man is dying and in need of Salvation, he asks how can he be saved? There's a "Christian" woman who sees him and wants to help but she remembers all the times she was told by others "women shouldn't preach/teach." So she walks on. The man dies and is now out of time.
This question is not to be contentious but what if a husband’s wife is a pastor? Does he submit to her as a pastor or does she submit to him as her husband?
(Adding to this question ) can a woman pastor a church ? Can we call them pastor ? for example pastor Sarah or pastor Martha . I’m not against women serving The Lord, but this is something that we have to be careful !
I was thinking the same thing if a woman pastors a church she has to be head of the household as well... how could she be head of the Church Of the living God but not head of her our own house? That would not make any sense 😐
He did address that when he mentioned the female prophets of the Old Testament as well as with Pricilla and Aquilla and some of the husband/wife teams of the NT.
For those who don’t know, the upci will license anyone with their pastors approval. If you want a ministerial license to clean the church, you can get it. It’s different from other Christian movements with regards to licenses and ordination. The real question that needs to be answered is this; can a woman be a Presbyter or senior pastor?
I never experienced or witnessed what you mentioned in your first 2 sentences in 42 years. Must be from a different state from me, (will not reveal) and/or culture.
@@jenniferhorton14 after the WPF split of 2007, there has been a push to license as many people as they can. This was a top down vision. Each state/section is semiautonomous, so your mileage will vary. lol I’m not upci nor WPF, but I fellowship both and keep an eye on both. The upci comes from the liberal school of theology, thereby they can license most anyone. Ordination is reserved for men I believe in keeping with New Testament tradition. Honestly, having a license is nothing more than joining a guild or club. It has no bearing on ministry or value to Christ.
it amazes me how some men can sound so eloquent and knowledgeable as they deny the word of God. THE BIBLE SAYS, I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN TO TEACH PERIOD
Well…I don’t see men in the American churches doing gymnastics to get rid of circumcision, yet seems like the New Testament says it isn’t necessary anymore. Everyone is guilty of picking cherries.
There is a difference between preaching and teaching. Woman shouldn’t be preaching in front of the whole congregation. But they can teach the younger ones and to all the female congregation
@@kimberlygause8759 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. Titus 2:3-5 ESV
@@kimberlygause8759 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” 1 Timothy 2:12 KJV God does have a special role in the kingdom of God to be a blessing but not from the pulpit, preaching and exercising spiritual authority over men among the congregation
If someone explains that a certain word of God is not mean as written!!!! So no single word of God will stand, because every word will twisted on wrong meaning. The prophecy tells that satan will opposes and in order to exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship on every called a word to make word of God with no effect. Every word of God will be explained as someone wishes in his/her mind. The command of God is plain. When God said do not eat the forbidden fruit of central tree, that word need not interpretation. But serpent came to interpret so that to divert the real plain command. In order to deceive Eve, he bring explanation which sound good in the mind of Eve who doubted that command as we doubt today. Now the explanation lead Eve free not to obey the command, and this was the deadly aim of father of lies. The same is carrying on nowadays. Many came and will come in Jesus name and deceive many through divertive explanation to make believers free from the plain command of God. One will divert people on this word and others will do on another words till all words of God set down to feet of men and exalt the opposing word of satan instead. The word of lie will remain in minds of deceived believers thinking that it is the real word of God. Jesus and apostles warned us on this -Mathew 24: 11; Acts 20: 28-31; 2 Peter 2:1-3. The same master of explanation aimed to divert men from the plain words of God is working through deceived men called/ call themselves servant of God - 2Corinthias 11: 2,3. Satan even attempted to divert Jesus from the word of God through interpretations aimed to lead astray from written truth. The ignorant and unstable twist the plain word of God to their own destruction through interpretations , as they also do to the rest of the scriptures. 2Peter 3:15, 18.
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 KJV [33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. [34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
💯This is Who and What Women can teach.. ”The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; that they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,“ Titus 2:3-4 KJV
David K Bernard Paul was not a 21st century gentile, he was not a member of a 21st century religion called The United Pentecostal Church International whose charter members vote on which doctrines to teach. Paul was chosen by Yeshua, Paul was an Hebrew from the tribe of Benjamin which is the House of Judah, Paul was chosen as an apostle by Yeshua himself, when he saw the risen savior who called him, and Paul said " I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence 1 Tim 2:12" The man-made denomination of the gentile UPCI has no authority to teach women should be teachers in the church to teach men, when a handpicked apostle said a woman cannot teach men in the church. You said in the video there used to be churches that had women teaching men until the Catholics put a stop to it, then that is the one thing the Catholics did right since they followed the bible. Your denomination is irrelevant, all that matters is what the scripture say, and the scriptures say women cannot be teachers over men in the church. People need to understand Jesus was not a baptist, he was not a Pentecostal, he was not a Lutheran or a Methodist or a Jehovah Witness, he like Paul was an Hebrew, Paul did not say we are grafted into Pentecostalism he said believers are grafted into Israel Romans chapter 11.
Jesus picked 12 apostles and he didn't pick one woman why? The 11 apostles had to draw for the 12th and they didn't pick a woman either why? Jacob had 12 sons but he also had 1 daughter why didn't she get a tribe?
I think the reason is because having both male and female disciples could have been a stumbling block to those who would have assumed that he was advocating unmarried men and women sleeping in close proximity to each other. It certainly could have given the appearance of promoting or allowing "living in sin," which would have been an unnecessary distraction to His ministry, and certainly something else that he would have to explain on a frequent basis to his critics: eating and fellowshipping with sinners is one thing, but giving the impression of providing every opportunity for at least the temptation of fornication is another. Jesus said that the Son of Man does not have a place to lay His head... Basically, while they stayed in residences at times, they also slept outside, akin to being homeless. There situation was very different than what traveling ministries have now, where unmarried men wont share a hotel room with unmarried women (hopefully). Regarding Jacob having one daughter and her not getting a tribe, I think it's maybe hard to justify her being the head of a tribe when a household is a much smaller social group than an entire tribe, and women are not supposed to rule over men in a household.
@@beatricewamboi4316 and were the first human beings told by the angel in the empty tomb to go tell everyone else that Jesus had risen! If that doesn't count as preaching, it sure seems like it should.
I will say that he did change means more than once. What got me was 1 Timothy 3 explaination. If a man happenes to have a family then his home should be in order. If he doesnt have a family, that does not stop him from overseer. Husband of one wife only means if the man is married or has been married, he would have had a total of one wife and not breaking Christ law on the command of divorce. So if we add to the Word and subtract from the Word, thats not good practice according to the Word of God in Revelation. Praying for correctioin, or rebuke, to be encouraging and peaceful. Amen
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them. There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism-therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12. A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11-14. Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people-the church, the body of Christ-and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity. Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. In verse 18, Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, suggesting to some that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. (The detail of whose name comes first is probably inconsequential, because in verses 2 and 26 the order is reversed from that of verse 18.) Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14. In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9). The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13-14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and in the church. The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church. Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15). God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.
There are several times you intertwine the words prophecy and preach. There is a distinct difference between the two. I’m going to have to disagree with this assessment.
Actually if you look into the word prophecy it’s more than just forth telling but it’s also considered foretelling. When you’re speaking as an instrument for the Holy Ghost that is a form of prophecy. Just do a study for yourself and see what you come across
Bible especially the NTand the part of the doctrine, we must take things literally, no interpretation can be used to substantiate. The speaker deliberately omitted 1 cor ch 15:34-38. Where Paul specifically said that it is the command of the Lord.(37) it is very specific that women should not preach in the church. What 18:14 the doctrine is not meant your just one period like first century or a few years. It is for the entire church , till it exists that is till the rapture. In Revalation ch 7 :1-8, God chose only 144thousand men to preach. No women. Let us be truthful while interpreting the word. Not to please one section of the so called churches who exist on the false preachings even about the Hloy Spirit of God and prosperity. Rajakumar Raja Lazarus.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 1st Timothy 3
That's a overseer or pastor .. preacher is not always a pastor.. of course a woman csnt be a pastor but that does not m3an she csnt preach . Pulling timothy second chapter only states that a women can't over come him or put her own authority over him because he is going to pastor for PaulPaul.
@@jasonbadger9164 a bishop is a church leader. Women are not bishops meaning they can't lead a church at all. They are to submit to male spiritual leaders.
Bishop from Greek "episkopos" - one who watches over. Yes, this is a general term of church leadership. No, it does not exclude women. It does not exclude single men, or married men without children. Cultural context is important for a proper understanding of Scripture. Paul was dealing with a culture where all the churches (gatherings of believers) met together in homes. In Greco-Roman culture (the setting of this letter to Timothy) , women were considered to be in charge of the home. The men did all the civic work (voting, serving in political office, running businesses, buying and selling property). In the early (New Testament era) church, the majority of the church leaders were women. Paul is endorsing men to also be in church leadership all ng with the women and he gives a framework for the kind of character and reputation such a man should have " IF a man desire the office of a bishop..." Immediately before this, he has addressed spiritual order in the home - the wife is not to contradict the teaching of her husband or usurp his authority.
Servant don't necessarily mean decaon so if you say or try to use that reason mr Bernard explain 1timothy 3:2,12 explain 1corinthians 14:34 explain 1timothy 2:11,13 also mr Bernard prophet's don't always mean preaching, the women in the old testament that you say were like prophet's are the same as in the new testament your sons and your daughters will prophesied, it doesn't not mean preach, it means to tell the future event UPC CAN PAW ARE WRONG, YOU BOTH HAVE LOWER THE STANDARDS IN HOLINESS,
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV As also saith the law! You skipped that part Brother Bernard. This was not an isolated incident in which Paul was speaking. This was already in the law! This was commanded by God. Paul would also write that everything he had written in those epistles were commandments from God. It also says churches, plural, meaning more than one. This also shows it was not isolated. There is only one church so this is saying in all gatherings of the church. It is saying in every congregation of that one church.
@@shaunbutler238 being as Scripture says they can prophesy, that is not what this scripture is speaking of. That was further explained in other comments. Nobody is saying he’s wrong about prophesy. We’re saying he’s wrong about calling a woman Pastor or saying that any scripture in the Bible says otherwise. Prophet is not the same as Pastor or even Apostle. That is why Jesus was referred to as both prophet and apostle. He represented the former house and the latter house.
@@shaunbutler238 and that is why Paul continued to explain, in that same chapter, that prophecy and speaking in tongues are permitted and not to deny. It’s because those are not the issues he was writing about.
@@shaunbutler238 and lastly, that he is why he writes “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?” 1 Corinthians 14:36. This church was allowing things that were not permitted and in doing so putting themselves above God and His church that was already established. They were allowing women to speak in a manner that was not permitted, as is the context here. Scripture says they can prophecy, speak in tongues, pray, and many other things. What they can’t do though is hold any authority over men in the church. They can’t preach or teach men, only daughters and children as explained in Titus. This church was allowing these women to attempt to exercise authority that they did not have and Paul was telling them to stop because the Word of the Lord did not come from them. They had no authority to do these things and were being rebuked.
A disappointing, plain scripture-evading presentation. And Priscilla certainly wasn't a pastor as he said but was merely assisting her husband to explain the Word as 'co-workers' in their home.
@@michaelbrickley2443 The Book of the Acts reveals God's Standard for all time, regardless of any century era. It's because we live in a so-called modern era that many people think the plain Word does not apply today when rather God and His Word do not change but man gets deceived by talent.
@@GodsView1 not sure what you're trying to say here. Priscilla did what? The verse reads Priscilla (name first) which establishes primacy. You can twist and turn the verses of choice anywhich way you choose. You're the one who can't see that Jesus was doing something different. He had women disciples traveling with Him. He talked to a WOMAN from Samaria, who truth be told, was the first evangelist and taught Mary as well as the other male disciples. Do you want to be educated or do you want to keep being wrong on this matter?
Phoebe was not a deacon because a woman cannot meet qualifications of being a deacon, and again Paul when he was reffering to women he didn't use terms like fellow workers but he called them fellow soldier.
I begin to wander if men who defend women preaching or ordination of women are aware that heresy is a serious sin? In Revelation 2:20, Christ rebuked the Church in Thyatira for allowing a woman called Jezebel to teach among other sins. This confirms Paul's statement in 1st Corinth. 14:37, that the commandment for women not to teach in the congregation of the saints is a commandment of the Lord and not his. So what is David saying. Does his philosophical argument overrule Christ's commandment? He is telling us about women prophets in the Old Testament, why did he not mention one woman priest in the Old Testament? Is prophesying, the same thing as teaching? Some of these pastors don't fear God, they teach their doctrines and the Bible says: "For in vain they worship me teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" Mark 7:7. They lead their congregations into error and the Bible has this for them and their congregation." The leaders of this people cause them to err, and they that are led of them are destroyed". Isaiah 9:16.
Deborah was a Judge over Israel. A Judge was a shepherd or shepherdess that God put over His people. Taken from my short essay on her below: A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time. The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet. God ruled Israel through the Judges. Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV If you want a study my essay can be posted up.
In the book of Timothy it also says to preach this in season and out of season whatever was going on seems to still stand as to women teaching elsewhere
@@bus10dus10 Jeno violates the love and mercy of our lord. If you really listen and study what he Says you will see his error. The anger in his preaching is not from the spirit of God. It’s all flesh. I bet you Don’t understand all he says, you just believe it because of his delivery. Study….please you will see
Well said. I agree. Also, in that 1 Timothy 2:12 , Paul does not say that God said women ( plurar ) should not teach men, he ( Paul ) said that he does not permit it.
Do not twist the holy scriptures Just keep them Holily WOMEN CAN BE PROPHETESSES BUT NOT PASTORS OR TEACHERS OF GOD'S WORD IN MALES AND FEMALES 1 CORINTHIANS 14:33-40, KJV CONGREGATIONS
All scripture is God-breathed, the Holy Ghost is inspired emphatically on every page of the Bible. For Paul, who is filled with the Holy Ghost, to speak this indicates that 1 Timothy 2:12 was a direct order from the Lord our God! As a wise man said, if people think education is expensive, try ignorance🙏🏽 Great respect to Bernard! But this is right here is off…
Ill begin my criticism by stating that I think God for Bishop Bernard and men like him that have aided the Apostolic movement in getting back to first century Christianity in so many ways. I respect him as a Bishop of Christ's Church- but not my Bishop, as I am ordained in the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World. Now that is out of the way... As Apostolics- we pride ourselves in being "sola scriptura" and yet we here find the "leading theologian" of our movement leading off with the same "culture of the time" argument defending women leaders that others denominations use against us on the head covering/hair issue. Further-and more to the point- there are rules of interpretation (Law of Witnesses, Law of First Mention, Didactic Preeminence, etc) that, when properly and evenly applied, help us to come to a proper understanding of difficult passages. Two of which are clearly broken in this exposition. Firstly, Didactic Preeminence- Meaning, passages that are instructive in nature are to be used to interpret passages that are narrative in nature. Secondly, Clear Interprets Unclear- that we are to harmonize passages difficult to interpret in light of those that are plain and clear. Sadly, Bishop Bernard has broken both of these rules here to defend a 20th century pentecostal "culture." Why do I say this? Because he interprets the didactic and clear passages in the epistles and in light of anecdotal narrative passages. The opposite is the only proper approach. When rightly divided, the Bible is clear. The rule is that men are to lead and women are not. the Bible gives exceptions to these rules (head covering passage as noted by brother Bernard) and provides examples of these exceptions. It seems brother Bernard would prefer gymnastics to defend the UPCI status quo, then to take the hard path and LEAD by teaching the accurate and unpopular position. I have seen many great women spiritual leaders. I serve under just such woman in ministry now. But the Scripture must interpret our experiences. Not the other way around. Or if I'll be permitted to paraphrase- despite our experiences, "we have a more sure Word of prophecy." Peace to you all
you wrote: When rightly divided, the Bible is clear. The rule is that men are to lead and women are not. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Reply for it if desired. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. That is how a woman could judge men of their sins, including homicide. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
I faithfully attend a UPCI church. Have always appreciated Bro Bernard and his knowledge of the word however disagree with him on this topic. Why is God always referred to as a man? Why did God come to earth as a male? It clearly sets the precedents that men are called to be the leaders of spiritual authority. Why did Jesus Christ choose 12 men to start the New Testament church? Not a single women was chose to be a founding leader by God. Did God make a mistake or was there no spiritual women of the day? Why was a man given the keys and preached the New Testament plan of salvation Acts2:38. why are the 12 Patriarchs all male? Revelation 21:12 “And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel Debra said it was a shame she had to fill a man’s role. Certainly we have no proof that Percilla was the leader nor was she preaching and teaching behind a pulpit Note in verse 18 the order of the names are switched. Her and her husband are clearly sharing the gospel outside the authority of a pulpit as all Christians are called to do. Paul gave the role for women in another scripture, to teach the women. Titus 2:4-5 How can the women be the weaker vessel yet the spiritual authority in a church or home setting? When is the man the spiritual leader and when is he subject to the spiritual authority of a women if indeed women are called by God to Exercise spiritual authority! Can a wife be under spiritual subjection to her husband and at the same time have spiritual authority over other men? How can anyone effectively preach, teach or lead a church body without having authority? I agree we need to read scripture as a whole and when we do it becomes very clear what God had in mind for Men and Women. God created both for a unique and Divine purpose. Two totally separate purposes yet when working as God intended profitability to the family and church. Both equally important! When the church takes it upon themselves to mix and match, mingling the two we come up with transgender theology Yes the church twisting the word of God to appease some has lead to this abomination we see Prevalent in our world today. MEN ACTING LIKE WOMEN AND WOMEN ACTING LIKE MEN! I know UPCI minsters that agree. Spiritually speaking the church must begin to teach men to be men , women to be women in order to fulfill the call as such just as God intended from the beginning. Both male and female are called to share the gospel but as many wrongfully interpret that has nothing to do with usurping spiritual authority. Outside the pulpit and like spiritual matters a women certainly can be a leader having authority over men such as business owners, public matters etc. Women were not made inferior to men by God. The true Tragedy of our day is women that do not realize and a church that doesn’t let them know just how desperately needed their God given Attributes are. We don’t need manly women. churches and it’s families need more women being women. A man had nothing to do with The salvation plan but a woman did. She gave birth, loved and nurtured the savior of the entire world !! Thank God and a woman for Jesus Christ!
In your first statement aren't you forgetting that Scripture says " God is not a man, that He should lie, neither the son of man, that He should repent:... " Num. 23:19 A very clear statement that God is not a man. Also Job 9:32 " For He is not a man, as I am, that I should answer Him, and we should come together in judgement. "
@@BrettWJCarr True what this scripture says, that God is not a man, but it does say "HE" and our God wants us to see HIm as the Father. I would expect He wants us to see Him as male.
@@tradarcher8714 Jesus said the Father was in Him, doing the works, Jesus was fully human in His flesh and fully God in His Spirit, this is why the Scripture say God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. Jesus body did not become glorified till after His resurrection. Otherwise you would have to believe that God could be nailed to a cross and die. And if His body was God before the crucifixion then He would not have cried out my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me... since His body did not leave Him. I believe from Scripture that the truth is the Spirit of God departed from Him during the crucifixion because He became sin for us and the Holy God cannot dwell in sin.
@@BrettWJCarr This verse in Job, to me, means that God is not a man, a created being. Yes, God is spirit, but Clearly, His Word makes references to the Godhead as the Father (male) King of Kings, Lord of Lords (male) Master, (male) the Son (male). Every verse speaking of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is always "He, His, etc.
You are greatly skilled at laying out the facts and analysis. Thank you for your knowledge, technique, and leadership. Thank you for remaining true to the calling for which God has called you.
I don't care WHAT BERNARD SAID--- 1 Timothy 2:12, “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” BERNARD is very GOOD at twisting the scriptures. History has nothing to do with women preaching.
💯 ”Yet hear the word of the LORD, O ye women, and let your ear receive the word of his mouth, and teach your daughters wailing, and every one her neighbour lamentation.“ Jeremiah 9:20 KJV ”Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.“ 1 Timothy 2:11 KJV Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.“ Revelation 2:20 KJV ”But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.“ 1 Timothy 2:12 KJV ”For Adam was first formed, then Eve.“ 1 Timothy 2:13 KJV
I'll have to disagree with his opinion on the scripture which states "...of note among the apostles..." it doesn't mean they're apostles themselves anymore than believers among prophets makes them prophets. King Saul prophesied also but it doesn't make him a prophet hence the OT question "Is Saul among the prophets?". No. Saul was called and failed. David was chosen specifically.
@@LarzGustafsson In regard to Romans 16:7, around the 10 minute 10 second mark of this video, in reference to the two people mentioned in this verse, which brother Bernard says one was a woman, brother Bernard says that the scripture teaches they were “notable apostles.” Brother Bernard is in error regarding this matter. The King James version of this particular scripture says, “…who are of note among the apostles.” The scripture does not say as he claims, that they were notable apostles. Read it for yourself in the KJV. In the NIV version it states, that they were “outstanding among the apostles.” In the amplified Bible the scripture reads as, “held in high esteem among the apostles.” In the new living translation it reads this way, “they are highly respected among the apostles.” There is no scripture from Matthew to Revelation that states any woman was an apostle. What brother Bernard has done with Romans 16:7 is to try to make it say something that it does not say. Even commentators on this scripture bring out the facts that this scripture is referring to these two individuals as being held in high esteem, or respect, among the apostles. They were not apostles and we should not be changing the scripture to fit what we may believe in regard to women in ministry.
Hi Pastor Bernard, I absolutely love your understanding of the oneness. You have an incredible gift of teaching. But this subject I currently wrestle with and one day I'm going to have to give an answer to someone down the road my stance on this and the Bible's stance on this. Basically you had me until you started talking about the woman keeping her gender distinction and roll while pastoring. Now, I've met many wonderful Pastor's wifes who have great authority and could be considered prophets. But, I imagine that a pastor needs to be the authority of his own home if he is to be effective as a pastor. Paul mentioned follow me as I follow Christ. And the Bible says that the head of the woman is the man and the head of the man is Christ. So in my mind (and spirit) I see the woman as not being completely effective for the ministry of Pastor if she is not the spiritual head of the home. Thank you so much for reading my comment, please respond back
There's no need to wrestle with the Truth, it would be kicking against the goad, like seriously... The reason why the church of GOD is lagging behind is because woman has left their apostleship at home and now struggling with Men to be famous on pulpits...
There's no need to wrestle with the Truth, it would be kicking against the goad, like seriously... The reason why the church of GOD is lagging behind is because woman has left their apostleship at home and now struggling with Men to be famous on pulpits...
@@biblicalmeditation4094 the oneness in Divinity or in spirituality or in humanity doesn't make Left hand to be right hand even though Both are hands and would perform same roles at certain point... Man is never and Will never, ever be woman no matter who or how you trans them.. this is outcome of spiritual demonstration of who GOD is... Women have no place in liturgical or theological pulpiteer... They can't and Will never be priest to present sacrificial offerings to YAHWEH Elohim... Their alters is at home.. where they're meant to build the foundation of godliness, train the future generations on how to worship God in Truth and in The spirit... Women are priests and pastors but at home... The fruit of their apostleship is in fact this present day world views of human livelihood... They failed at home and New generations got accursed with inflamed lists to the vain things of this world....
Excellent explanation and declaration from Dr. Bernard. I don't regularly post on social media but I take this subject personally. Let's take this to real world application(I'm deliberately not citing scriptures here...my neighbor quotes many scriptures but has not yet born again from water and Spirit). I know of a woman whose husband abandoned her many years ago. She raised all her children and decided to continue the work of God. God has used her tremendously; many have been saved, restored, and equipped for ministry. Many pastors and leaders have come out from this vibrant church which she pastors. Will you override what God can do? Don’t let your own interpretation and theology get in the way of God’s work. Let God, let go!!!
Have we not done many wonderful works in your name? Depart from me you have disobeyed the will of my father. If there were that many ministers that have been produced then there should have been one produced capable of taking over the work so it can then be back in line with God’s order to the glory of him.
I did stop at 10:40 because I already saw zero scriptural support for anything you are claiming and misused passage after misused passage to teach a false doctrine here. Had to unsubscribe. This is shameful. Eve was deceived. Women are not to teach or usurp authority over men but are to learn in silence. A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve 3But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head
@@Bible33AD The Scriptures are clear but you should also watch “does the Bible permit a woman to preach?” By John MacArthur on TH-cam for further more detailed explanation👍
I’m a Presbyterian and although I don’t agree with much of the Pentecostal theology, Dr. Bernard’s explanation here is very good and goes along with what we Presbyterians believe. If Paul truly meant what he said in Timothy about women not teaching men etc, then his actions totally contradicted his teaching. There were problems of false teachers in the church in Ephesus and some of the women were led astray. That’s what Paul was addressing here. It was not a doctrine meant for the universal church. Dr Bernard shows this with a myriad of other examples from the Hebrew Scriptures through the New Testament. And look in what high esteem Jesus held women. If Paul was saying this as a mandate for all women, then he totally contradicts Jesus and the prominence women held in His earthly ministry. Very thorough answer here.
@@mr.renaissancemts A preacher/ Teacher and a judge are all appointed by God in those offices! These Men/Women stand in these offcies either judging or preaching/ Teaching all, Men and women with no distinction!!!
@@maahju3848 that's not true..,if your words are not backed up by scripture then you are speaking lies an if you don't know just say you don't have that understanding. To say a woman can preach will contradict scripture because we have scripture that says she cannot. Women can sing, testify, prophesy, pray all is ministering but preaching is not permitted sister
Listening to this guy here the scriptures are clear on this subject.where is God in all this wisdom cometh to those who seeks God's way and abide by his word.
Prophesying and praying are TOTALLY different than teaching or preaching! Take the word of GOD for exactly what it is! I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, -Revelation 22 : 18
Just to be clear not all apostolics believe that women can be preachers and/or pastors but a lot of UPC do that's true.. And a lot of UPC women can out preach their men so but just to be clear it is not biblical..
Paul was generally controversial 1Cor 14:33-35 in short the guy is saying women must SHUT UP in church after he just said (33) that God Don't want CONFUSION implying implying
Nowhere in scripture does it call any woman a Prophet. It always call them a Prophetess meaning female. Because no female was in the 5 fold ministry, all men. Romans 16:7 says kinsmen and fellowprisioners. So two men, not a woman like Bernard trying to make a woman an Apostle. Servants meaning the women served in people's needs, not in ministry. No woman was called a Pastor in the bible. Because a woman testified to a man or tells what she knows to help someone does not make her a minister. And there is no co-pastor nonsense that they make up. The wife of a Pastor is just that. No first lady nonsense or co-pastor idiotic stuff to elevate her above all the other women in the assembly.
Strain at a nat, swallow a camel A "prophetess" is a female prophet. Definitions: What is "prophecy"? To "prophesy" is to speak for God (say what God gives you to say). What is a "prophet"? A person to whom God gives something to say. This isn't hard. Acts 2 - ...I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh (no exclusion for sex/gender) and your ... daughters shall prophesy ["handmaids" i.e. female slaves too]. It is very simple. In the inaugural message on the birthday of the church, anyone who receives the Spirit, speaking in tongues not only can, but "shall" prophesy. Those who haven't done so yet simply need to grow in their walk with God. Also, see Numbers 11 - where a prophet (Moses - who is so identified in Scripture) says "all the Lord's people" would prophesy and He would put His Spirit on them. If you believe only males can say something God gives them to say, you had better be consistent and say only males can be filled with the Spirit and speak in tongues - of course, you'd be going against a fundamental doctrine of Scripture, just like you are when you try to forbid women from doing what God empowered them to do when He filled them with the Holy Ghost.
"Don't elevate her above the other women in the assembly" Very good - Book of James and others make clear there should not be "respect of persons" i.e. treatment for some as being better or higher than the rest in the church. But let's not stop halfway ... A pastor is not better or higher than anyone else in the church either. Biblical elders/leaders are both "examples of the believer" and "examples to the flock". Teaching is by example, not top-down command and control. Jesus rebuked that nonsense every time his disciples displayed it. Also, see III John 1:6-11. The "preeminence " or putting self first (and by definition, others underneath) is characterized by Diotrephes - rebuked by John, the last of the original 12 who followed Jesus.
I did not say a woman could not prophesy like the Bible says. I said she can not be a Prophet as in the 5 ministrys in EPH 4:11. There is a reason a female is called a prophetess in scripture and not a Prophet, True or False ? If there is no distinction of male and female when one prophesies, why does Paul command a woman to wear a head covering when she prays or prophesies in the assembly ? Yet a man is commanded not to wear a covering when he prophesies. And we know it is a cloth covering because it can be taken off and put back on at will, eliminating the idea of it being hair. Paul is first giving a Created order. God, head of Christ, Christ head of man, Man head of woman. 1Cor 11
9:40 arguing priscilla jointly explained doctrine to Apollos is a stretch. Just says they took Apollos in and explained to him - doesn't explicitly say that the wife did the explaining in turns with the husband so you are making that assumption only. She could have given her testimony but not taught doctrine and you assume she went into full teacher mode. Reading WAY too much into that example. Poor example. You conclude from this that she was a TEACHER AND PASTOR LOLOLOLOL we get she was in the office of a pastor from just that verse? Wow what a stretch.
9:43 Furthermore, David Bernard made a presumption that ‘… they led him into truth.’ The scripture reference doesn’t say that. It is silent on the resolution of that conversation. Apollos perhaps may have been won over, disagreed or would think about it? The outcome is not indicated and don’t theologians have disagreements? Apollo already had a remarkable gift for teaching scripture and pointing to the Messiah. Let the reader ponder that conversation without Mr. Bernard making conclusions that aren’t there.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority (OVER) the man, but to be in silence. So they can preach but they cant preach over the man. So if a man says shut up you are teaching wrong, then they should stop preaching and listen to man instead. Thats it, thats what it means. Not over the man but under the man is ok. So simple. Dont need to explain 18min and 13 seconds for easy thing like this.
You spoke of Joel 2: 26:28 please the gift of prophecy is subjected to the spirit of a prophet. The give does not give the right to become a preacher no ways read your Bible again.
12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Isaiah 3:12KJV
Old Testament prophecy against idolatrous Israel. Theological context matters. This has nothing to do with "true worshippers" under the New Testament (Covenant). More to the point, Spiritual Authority is not rulership over people. See Mark 6, Matthew 10, Luke 9 and 10 for starters. The rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, but it shall not be so among you ... Whoever will be great among you will be the servant of all" Paraphrased ... See Mark 9, Mark 10 and Matthew 23.
You did not quote one scripture that validates women as teachers, preachers or elders. You just give examples from traditions and your interpretation of Paul's greetings and salutations - not his doctrinal teachings - concerning women. God does not call women to go out and preach, and nowhere in the bible has it ever been done. Prophesying and preaching are NOT the same thing, a prophet does not expound on the word, they only speak specifically what God says. Being a worker, fellow-laborer in church is not synonymous with being a teacher, preacher or elder and you are deceiving people by saying it is. Paul never endorses women preaching, teaching or being elders, that is a blatant lie. And Deborah, was a Judge "at that time"...nowhere does God explicitly appoint her like he does for Gideon, Samson and others, matter-a-fact he tells her go get me Barak (a man). In Hebrews' hall of faith Gideon, Samson and Barak are mentioned, where is Deborah? But Sarah is mentioned...who called her husband lord.
This should be a debate not a Q & A and with all due respect Mr. Bernard is adding a lot of his own Interpretationa to the Bible.. He reading into a lot of the text And in some cases just making things up things up, like Timothy not having a wife or inferring there was a woman that he wasn't getting along with in the church made up that's not Bible.
The Bible even tells us why a woman cannot teach or preach if you read 2nd Timothy Paul tells us why and it wasn't a woman that Timothy was having a problem with, the Bible goes back to the beginnin Adam-and-Eve and eve is the reason a woman cannot preach or teach
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. 1st Timothy 2 : 12-
Why we study the scripture? We study to understand the message of the author and to learn applying it. We study Scripture for by understanding and learning we make changes to fit into the will of God. We do not change the message of the author to make it fit into what we are doing. As we continue studying we are continually changing.
It would take too much time to walk through the scriptures regarding women "pulpiteerig;" however, I will say this, the prohibition of women exercising in the teaching of men and or the pulpit ministry is rooted in the created order. Carefully study the Hebrew regarding the creation order in Genesis and then cross reference that with Paul's argument. It is clear: women are not to exercise in the teaching and or pulpit ministry over men.
I haven't encountered that. I know quite a few Apostolic Pentecostal lady Preachers. It's the Baptist denomination that is really defensive and is against female Preachers. I don't believe Catholics permit women to preach either. I live in Augusta, Maine and attend an Apostolic Church, and once in a while our Pastors daughter comes to visit Maine from the country Norway, and I'll put her up against a male Preacher any day of the week because she's filled with the Holy Ghost, and knows her Bible. And she can sing and play panio beautifully. Her name is Sherry Willhoite, and she's a powerhouse Preacher.
@@derekbaker777 here in the Philippines, those Apostolic Organizations that are not under UPCI, do not ordain women to become leaders in the church or shortly into five-fold ministry
There's a difference between preaching and teaching from the perspective of witnessing and testifying to non-believers as opposed to pastoring over believers as a leader or authority
@@Post-Trib Good point. A lot of churches associate preaching with leadership/ pastor. God calls whom ever to preach the gospel. Leading a church is for men only…
We can contort scripture to please our own views, but the Word says what it says. God created the Book of 1Timothy, used the gifted anointed chosen apostle Paul to write these words. We can try to decipher what the 'man' Paul meant, but the anointed apostle Paul speaks from God's mouth, doesn't he? I personally had more heartbreak and abuse at the hands of women bosses. I preferred to work with men (back when men were gentlemen) and it was so much better. Our God knows our hearts and how women are different than men, women are more emotional perhaps, and had the curse of Eve after the fall, Genesis 3:16 "And unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee". Christian women have many gifts of the Spirit, but, according to scripture as I read it, should not be a shepherd of the sheep. There are commands for all of us to minister gifts to those around us. Women in the church can minister to the church, but perhaps not from a pulpit, where she commands reverence from both women and men. It's not me that wishes that women shouldn't preach, but if God felt there was some reason, He would not have given this message to Paul. I know we need to try to study what Paul actually meant, but in the end, it appears what it sounds like.
Excellent point. Qualifications were listed in scripture for Biblical oversight and one qualification was that the elders had to be the husband of one wife. No qualifications in scripture say that an elder was a woman and she had to have one husband. Biblically, women were not in pastor/oversight/elders functions. You won't find it scripturally. I would think scripture would have given qualifications to women if they were to be pastors/elders. We simply don't see it because women were not to teach men but rather the older women taught the younger women in Titus 2. Women also teach to children as we see in scripture.
The amount of men in the comment sections so worried about "women preachers" when they aren't preachers themselves is telling. We need everyone preaching the Gospel. He's coming soon! You have to take the Bible as a whole. "There is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28. Thanks for this biblical breakdown Dr. DK Bernard. Praying more women are free to be used mightily for God... because when I was filled with the Holy Ghost, I didn't get the GIRL Holy Ghost, I got THE Holy Ghost. 😜🙌🫶
Whenever someone evilly question the plain word of God, he invites serpent to interpret that word twisting to let that men feel free to act contrary. Then the man will not obey that word saying does not meaning so. In this truck many are deceived to be lead astray from the truth written.
1Timothy 2:12 is addressing husband and wife/ couple. That's why Abraham and Sara were given as example because they are couple. It is said that Sarah was submissive to the lordship of Abraham being her husband. So therefore the husband should be head over the wife as couple.
No, sometimes the wife has the truth of what God wants before the husband does. ...whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her... Therefore she said to Abraham, “Drive out this slave woman and her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be an heir with my son Isaac!” The matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son Ishmael. But God said to Abraham, “Do not be distressed because of the boy and your slave woman; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named. -excerpt Genesis 21
Just as the UPC is heretical on so many things they are heretical on this “This is a true saying, If a MAN desire the office of a bishop, HE desireth a good work.” 1 Timothy 3:1 KJV “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” 1 Timothy 2:11-14 KJV
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.” 2 Timothy 4:3-5 KJV We were already warned about this type of false teaching and why it would happen. His ministry is not full proof after what we’ve just heard. It is time for all members of the UPCI who know this is false to speak out that we do not accept this and it does not represent us. The church has the authority when two or more are witnesses to this type of sin. We have hundreds if not thousands of witnesses from this video.
Despite the times and modern day practices, the Bible says what it means and means what it says. There is another scripture about why; because Adam wasn't deceived but the woman was. Many false religions were started by women. My mother, after becoming a new Christian, forsook the church she went to and went to a woman who had a church in her home with a false doctrine. She never came back to sound doctrine. I am disappointed in this preacher and, though I have listened to him in the past, I won't anymore. He has , like so many, compromised the Word of God.
10:20 you say Tryphena and Tryphosa were called coworkers in the gospel and claim this proves they were teachers and preachers in positions of authority over men of the church. I disagree. Romans 16:12 BSB Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, women who have worked hard in the Lord. --- where does this verse say that these two women were teachers, preachers, pastors, or apostles? It just says they worked hard in the Lord. So to claim that this verse proves women can be the leaders of a church is beyond ridiculous. EXTREMELY poor example.
Paul uses the same kind of language about people such as Timothy, Silas and others. A careful review of the Epistles, particularly to openings and closings, would help you see what has always been there.
Only a prideful, and, ego and, macho minded man would argue about a woman being in the pulpit. In the kingdom there is neither male or female. we are all one in God even as the Jew and Gentile.
In the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World & in the Pentecostal Churches of the Apostolic Faith we have women pastor's, Dist. Elders, and women Bishops.
Bro. Bernards argument on 1 Timothy 2 and others is eisegesis of the highest order sadly. Yes women can pray, teach, minister and prophecy within the context given. No positive teaching of womens ability to do to the level Bro. Bernard asserts. Also his historical arguments exemplifies cherry picking at its best. His argument to Pentecostal movement and other non Catholic movements can be easily used against him. The argument the reason why women dont play a dominate role is because of the very reason Paul tells Timothy and Bernard lists in new movements. So literary the point of weak in mind men magnified with teaching of women points directly to apostasy in Eve and new movements. Adam was weak to do by listening to Eve. So many issues in his argument. Some good points as well but a lot of open ended assertions not directly taught in scripture of which you would expect to be taught considering the historical role of women and they are not. Comment section is really not the place to argue in depth.
I haven't watched the video. I believe all this goes back to Deborah. The Judges were pastors/shepherds. A Judge could execute a man for his sin. Essay read time: 12 minutes postable and free
In regard to Romans 16:7, around the 10 minute 10 second mark of this video, in reference to the two people mentioned in this verse, which brother Bernard says one was a woman, brother Bernard says that the scripture teaches they were “notable apostles.” Brother Bernard is in error regarding this matter. The King James version of this particular scripture says, “…who are of note among the apostles.” The scripture does not say as he claims, that they were notable apostles. Read it for yourself in the KJV. In the NIV version it states, that they were “outstanding among the apostles.” In the amplified Bible the scripture reads as, “held in high esteem among the apostles.” In the new living translation it reads this way, “they are highly respected among the apostles.” There is no scripture from Matthew to Revelation that states any woman was an apostle. What brother Bernard has done with Romans 16:7 is to try to make it say something that it does not say. Even commentators on this scripture bring out the facts that this scripture is referring to these two individuals as being held in high esteem, or respect, among the apostles. They were not apostles and we should not be changing the scripture to fit what we may believe in regard to women in ministry.
@@jg7857 also it refers to them as kinsmen, meaning men. The Bible uses kinswoman when referring to females like in the scripture below Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; And call understanding thy kinswoman: Proverbs 7:4 KJV
Apostle Paul is reminding us how Satan DECEIVED Eve away fro the Word of God... DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE PLZ. 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1 Timothy 2
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@8784-l3b Those were women in the Old Testament. The scriptures that were being discussed were in the Epistles (letters to the Church) is where there is strict instructions for women in the Church. I'm not going to debate it. I'm just saying it's written in plain English for everyone to understand. The problem I see, is that the men of the Church have abandoned their roles as the spiritual leaders of their families. I understand why the women have to step up. I just don't think that it's God's will according to what I read.
@@mr.renaissancemts Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
@@8784-l3b again,..what scripture do you have that supports women preaching because I have some that's it is not permitted. Did Mary preach to the apostles when telling them to meet Jesus?
Greetings, Dr. Bernard makes a great, which is the most important point about the prophetess…Note that God did not focus on her gender but rather her gift or anointing, which incidentally, flows from vessels!!! Not genders…Jesus, “when the Spirit of TRUTH comes, HE, will lead…so, yes, the Holy Spirit uses women too🎉
2 Timothy 4: 3-4 The time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
¡This is very important! we have to make sure that all our brothers and sisters knows the truth, filled with the Holy Spirit, baptized in the name of Jesus so that they can teach, Especially women, they have to be submitted to their husbands, fathers and pastor. not only women also men have to be submitted to God. The apostol Paul warns and uses the example of Eve and Adan. Eve paid attention to the serpent. If the woman is not submitted to her husband, to her pastor or to God that woman is open to the voice of evil. Now, I personal trust my pastor’s wife and also other women of God because I know that they are submitted to their husbands and Pastor. they know the truth, filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in Jesus name. I don’t have problem listen to the word of God through them.
David K Bernard is a very renowned respected teacher of the bible, however I am very disappointed with this explanation. Answering a new testament instruction from the Apostle Paul who was sent to the GENTILES with odd rare, old testament scriptural occurances was suprising. Incidently outside of the role of prophetess there are zero example to contradict the Apostle Paul. It almost like saying David a man after Gods own heart (in the old testament) had many wives, so Gods not really opposed to us having more than 1 wife today!! His New testament arguments against what Paul said was largely based on maybes...not scriptural fact. Paul in his final letter gave a clear instruction in relation to teaching or upsurping Authority over the man. If it was about women teaching false doctrine as was said, surely that would apply to the man also ? Paul gives creations order and fall as the reason. Its Gods Divine order.
it applies to both men and women. what Apostle Paul is instructing is within the bounds of the context of that Particular
church..
In regard to Romans 16:7, around the 10 minute 10 second mark of this video, in reference to the two people mentioned in this verse, which brother Bernard says one was a woman, brother Bernard says that the scripture teaches they were “notable apostles.” Brother Bernard is in error regarding this matter. The King James version of this particular scripture says, “…who are of note among the apostles.” The scripture does not say as he claims, that they were notable apostles. Read it for yourself in the KJV. In the NIV version it states, that they were “outstanding among the apostles.” In the amplified Bible the scripture reads as, “held in high esteem among the apostles.” In the new living translation it reads this way, “they are highly respected among the apostles.” There is no scripture from Matthew to Revelation that states any woman was an apostle. What brother Bernard has done with Romans 16:7 is to try to make it say something that it does not say. Even commentators on this scripture bring out the facts that this scripture is referring to these two individuals as being held in high esteem, or respect, among the apostles. They were not apostles and we should not be changing the scripture to fit what we may believe in regard to women in ministry.
You have a powerful point there, for even in the various greek manuscripts they mention "noted among the apostles". But if I may cross-reference this with an OT verse in 1Samuels where a question was asked if Saul was also AMONG the prophets, which context means his also being a prophet to be truly be among the prophets. Now I am not trying to prove anything by this cross-reference, but I personally do not believe it necessarily means Junia was merely in the company of the apostles, even though that very well could be the case. To me it is more likely that the "noted among the apostles", also makes her an apostle. Furthermore, the concept of "among the apostles", in my personal view which is subject to error, implies that the full apostolic ministry of the apostles, Junia was involved in, as well as the others mentioned. These apostles were travelling missionaries of the gospel, who had companions of the gospel with them, assisting them in their ministry. I find it a little difficult to accept that they would go about with the apostles, and not even teach the word. The apostles' ministry, which includes their going about in spreading the word, included all who participated in the same ministry where all can be referred to as apostles. But you do have a point however, that the verse said "noted among the apostles".
No, he's using an exergisis that differs from your exergisis on a specific verse but his is backed up by old testament examples while yours fails to explain why God has changed his mind on the subject.
And making an argument to authority where your authority is protestant commentators is not a proper supporting evidence if scripture shows the alternative. Apostolics are by definition restatutionalists and those commentators you mention are filled with Greek philosophical flaws....
@@michaelwaters6829 Hey there. I disagree. Bernard said the scripture says they were notable Apostles. I do not know what version he was reading from, but the kJV says they are of note “among” the apostles. This can mean they stood out or were prominent servants. Scholars have debated this for years…..Paul speaks so well of them out of respect because they were in Christ before he was. As to Bernard’s exergisis , he uses the same Protestant/ Trinitarian commentators as everyone else. I read his book on Romans. Lastly, please show were God has an opinion on this subject.
@@dgreenja8051 in the case of king Saul when he prophesied there is never a mention of him being a prophet. The people asked, is Saul also among the prophets? These were individuals giving their opinion about king Saul. The writer of the book of Samuel makes no mention that Saul was a prophet. In the case of the book of Romans, the apostle Paul is writing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost. And he makes mention
Of these two individuals, that they are of note among the apostles. He does not say they are notable apostles. Brother Bernard makes the statement from that same verse saying that they were notable apostles. There is no way around this. That is incorrect, the scripture does not say they were notable apostles. What it does say is, who are of note among the apostles. To take that phrase, that they are of note among the apostles, and translate it to say they are notable apostles is changing the scripture. We can leave out the commentators if you like. Let’s just stick with chapter 16 and verse seven. And you will find no phrase in there that states, they were notable apostles. If brother Bernard would have said, this could mean that they possibly were notable apostles, then that is one thing. But that’s not what he said. He came out and clearly said, that these two individuals were notable apostles. There is no scripture that makes that statement.
@@michaelwaters6829 let’s forget the commentators and put that aside since you claim that they have flaws, and I’m sure they do. Let’s just stick with the scripture, Romans chapter 16 verse seven. You mentioned the Old Testament however, there is nothing in the Old Testament that refers to the word apostles. That term is found only in the New Testament. Brother Bernard clearly stated, that they were notable apostles. The scripture does not say that. Can you find any scripture in any of the other Bible translations that comes out and states they were apostles, or notable apostles? It’s not found in any translation. apostle Paul never said, that they were notable apostles. Brother Bernard said that but the apostle Paul did not. I don’t think we should challenge that Holy Ghost filled writer, the apostle Paul, and change what he said to something else. I will stick with the word of God and say, Paul said, that they were of note among the apostles, but not that they were notable apostles. Please give us a scripture that says they were notable apostles, it does not exist. To say, there is a possibility that they could have been apostles or notable apostles, that is one thing. But to come out and say that the Scriptures teach that they were, “notable apostles,” is something else all together.
Correct when you say woman can be a prophetess, but prophesying is not preaching, big difference, people just don't want to except GOD'S word like it is,
Exactly.
Prophesying is preaching... Both doing the same thing getting the message of God to people. Women do this in the Old and New Testament.
Joe. 2:28-28
Exactly UPC is close but they are off on this and head covering and thats why the spirit at the churches are not as strong more sbout dancing then spiritual revival
@@jaykinggilmai6899 They are the same thing outside the church. But within the church the leadership is made up of men.
Just as in the home women are taking leadership roles they are not supposed to; so too in the church we are having the same problem.
I’m sure you have read this before.
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@@jaykinggilmai6899 To prophesy is not the same as to preach. One is a calling from God (preaching), to publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief). The other is the action of making a prophetic prediction.
In other words: "EVERYONE (Every Spirit filled/Holy Ghost filled believer) under the power of the Holy Spirit, if God so wills it, has the potential to prophesy. But not EVERYONE IS CALLED, nor has the ability preach"
I believe that the Holy Spirit is the best teacher and interpreter of Scripture. I am not fully convinced that the explanations concerning women, as preachers in a Church congregation set up has been fully exhausted. I'm one of the people who still feel that the Apostle Paul meant what he stated in simple terms.
@@allenstwambo1680 bernard has used obfuscation, prevarication (lies), and conflation to try and justify why he thinks the bible is wrong.
6:00 Being a prophetess and being a preacher and teacher of God's Word is completely different things. Poor example use.
I left my church because our co-pastor was a woman. I'm an ordained Elder, and she made me feel like a boy. She spoke to me authoritatively, and showed no respect for my manhood. I couldn't stomach the idea of being totally submissive to a woman as my pastor.
OK!
Sounds like you ended up with the right conclusion but the wrong understanding for it
It's a pity. The Lord didn't give her permission to usurp authority. I think she ought always to show respect. A woman should always be submissive no matter what position she holds.
Don't use that woman to say that's why no woman should be a Pastor. Probably she can be asked to preach at times.
The titles, Priest, Pastor, Elder, Bishop, and Deacon are all MALE ministerial titles, not FEMALE titles. I don't believe that it's a sin for a woman to teach the word of God, but I don't believe women are ordained of God to lead the people of God, and speak loud or authoritatively to men. Eve was ordained of God to be Adam's helpmate; Adam fell into sin when he allowed his helpmate to lead him.
GOD can use anybody to do HIS will. Women can bring people to Christ, too.
I've resettled with this topic for a long time, I've attended Churches who had women preachers, and one Church who has a women Pastor, as a Pastor myself, I read different comments, listen to different opinions, and most importantly study the word of God, and it seems the more I do this, the more I lean to the authority and leadership is that of us men, not degrading women, for we are to love them as Christ loved the Church, and gave his life for it, my wife is a gold mine, and she understands the role we both play as a married couple, as Christian's, and as me a Pastor, and her a Pastors wife, Eve was created for Adam, and not Adam for Eve, man from the beginning was given the authority, but we have to be careful, and not downplay the rolls women have, they are to keep the home, teach younger women, and so on, I'm like a lot of other people, I take 1 Tim literal, it's kinda cut and dry, but we sometimes, ( like a lot of doctrinal debates ) study scripture to prove our point, instead of what the point means.
Ok, so let's say it's the time of David/Solomon. What
would be the correct way to describe the judge Deborah?
The book of judges was taught to young men and women
in the days of the Old Covenant.
So how was she taught about before the New Testament?
Please use scripture, not conjecture.
(Judges 4 and 5)
Also, I wrote a short essay on Deborah and the Holy Spirit,
should you or anyone have interest.
Well it sounds like you came to the right conclusion woman to be silent in the churches and there to teach the younger woman have it how to act but the problem you're having is reading other men's opinions you need to stop doing that because that will confuse you and manipulate you you better just stick to the words of the prophecy of the book of God because if you end up add one word you're going to add on yourself every plague that is written there and if you take away one word I will take away from you your name of the Lamb's Book of Life and out of his holy city
They were made for each other. For man will not be alone. Not to rule over them. Love your wife as you love Christ.
@@stephenhilborn7386 OK I have a question it says keep silent, should women not be allowed to sing, testify, or prophesy.
Not trying to be argumenitive but have struggled with this passage of Scripture for years
My advice to you brother, say what the scriptures say and don't add or takeaway from it. You are safer that way.
TRUTH
Brother I am a UPCI NZ this might help you understand God Will, God will know you as a brother if you do the will of God, God will know a sister if she do the will of God, God will know a mother if she do the will of God, God will know a brother or sister and mother if he or she do the will of God.
MATTHEW 12:46-50 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL DO THE WILL of my father which is in heaven, THE SAME is my BROTHER and SISTER and MOTHER.
For women preaching or do the will of God, God will know them AS a SISTER if they do the will of God.
@vilisave3751 The will of God for all of us is written in the book of scriptures that we should walk according to his instruction, which he leaves hear for us in the scriptures and one of those instruction according to: 1 Timothy 2:12-14
[12]But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[13]For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[14]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
@@JOHNPHOENIXXRELIGIOUSTVThe scripture I give you God him self said it, and that's what we have to obey, every one is involved, brother or sister, for sister to do the will of God, God will know us as a brother or sister or mother if we do his will according to the will.
@@vilisave3751 isn't 1 Timothy 2:12 the will of God concerning the woman?
1 Timothy 3
King James Version
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
So this rules a “women” out.
I agree
God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore!!!!! He says I change not!!!
You are absolutely correct. God changeth not! However there's this scripture I would like you to interprete for the edification of the Church, ( ... For as many of you as have been Baptisted INTO Christ, have PUT ON Christ! There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither *MALE* nor *FEMALE* , for ye are *ALL ONE* in Christ Jesus!!! Gal 3: 27-28) plz kindly interprete the above passage as you take into consideration the mystery of Christ (the head) inseparable union with His body(the Church)! In other words, plz tell us, is Christ *MALE* OR *FAMALE* ? Thank you.
@@maahju3848how are you going to get the answer to your question with this verse?
@@maahju3848 Your problem is thinking that passage is talking about gender. It is simply saying that no one is better than anyone else. God doesn't choose according to who you are, He looks at the heart.
@@hargisP2 1 Timothy 2:8-15 is pretty clear on who has “Usurp authority” over a man nor the congregation! Women are forbidden to teach or preach. They have other responsibilities within the congregation, but preaching and teaching is not one of them. For it was Eve who was deceived by the serpent, not Adam.. Adam fell to his wife and disobeyed God because his wife gave him the apple to eat! And any preacher or Pastor that gives his “opinion” on this topic is already out of line!! God doesn’t care what your opinions are. We must take the Bible cover to cover 100% literally not try to spend the facts to fit our narrative to what we want that’s not how it works and if you are an elders of a church who is ordaining women then you’re out of pocket and out of line period
@@tinamitchell9620 so? Women were pastors and co pastors until the 3rd century
No! Mr. Bernard is misleading God's people on this issue. A woman preaching to men is indecent, and is out of the order of God! (1 Cor. 14:34-40). The headship and order of God is found in 1 Cor. 11:3: God, Christ, man, woman. And the relationship of husband and wife is a type of Christ and the church (Eph. 5:25-33). Therefore we cannot have a woman preacher unless the church can preach to Christ!
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak... , as also saith the law (Gen. 3:15-17; 1 Cor. 14:34). If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual... let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." (14:37)
The contents of Paul's epistles to the Corinthians cannot be limited to specific situations in the church at Corinth, or even to the first century church in general. In spite of attempts to do so on multiple topics (e.g., sectarianism, church discipline, litigation, divorce & remarriage, eating meat offered to idols, veilings, hair, communion, gifts of the Spirit, women preachers, the holy kiss, etc.), Paul said that his teachings to them have universal application to believers and churches in ALL places and at ALL times:
1 Cor. 1:2, "Unto the church... at Corinth, with ALL that in EVERY place call upon the name of Jesus..."
4:17, "...as I teach EVERYwhere in EVERY church."
7:17, "And so ordain I in ALL churches."
11:16, "And if any man seem to be contentious, WE have no such custom, neither the churchES of God."
14:33, "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in ALL churches of the saints."
In 1 Timothy 2:11-15, Paul refers back to Eden, where the serpent deceived Eve, who in turn deceived Adam. Therefore because of her ability to be deceived more easily, God placed the woman in subjection to the man. (Gen. 3:15-17) Therefore Paul wrote that for a woman to usurp authority over men, either in a church setting or in the home, is inappropriate (1 Tim. 2:12-15). That is the spirit of Jezebel, which Christ rebuked in his letters to the seven churches of Rev. 2-3.
Does Jesus have more authority than the Holy Spirit?
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:12 KJV
This man's teachings are very usefull to me. Almost în every subiect he gets it wrong:) That being said, I listen to what he says especially to understand what the wrong understanding is, in almost any subject:))) He made a habit in ignoring the doctrinal passages, like the one you cited, in favor of some narative passages, because you have more liberty there to twist them as you want. That is exactly what he does with the speaking in tongues necessary for salvation, baptism formula etc
Not every man is her autority . Only her husband and a pastor or man of God over a congregation. U reading that as a single scriture instead of reading it understanding that whole letter was written to timothy who was pastoering for Paul. He told timothy to let a women come over him and speak over him to not have authority over him . When a women is submitted onto God and her pastor and her husband .. when she has a word given by God . She goes through her husband and her pastor . To be approved . That's still under submission not putting her own authority.. usurp means to put yout own authority.. but a true women of God won't do that she goes through authority.. to give a word . It would contradict when it sais that daughters will prophesy which mean to give or to understand and bring forth the will of God .look it up it actually means that . Bible don't contradict people just misinterpret scriture
With due respect, I think we should dwell more on scripture than opinions. We have to understand this from how this was instituted from the beginning. The bible says woman were created for man and not and not the other way round. Man was originally created for the purpose of God while the woman was created for a supportive role since God says its not OK for a man to be alone, I will create for him a suitable helper. Its not my intention to oppress women but to interpret scripture. 1 Cor 11 v 3 says that I want you to understand that the head of every woman is a man and the head of a man is Christ..... . There is a clear hierarchy when it comes to the things of God just as Christ is under the Almighty God, so man is answerable to Christ. No wonder in the bible, when Adam and Eve transgressed, God came looking for Adam. Man is accountable to God in leadership with regards to God. Should there be women in leadership, absolutely, and their job is to teach other women to be obedient to their husband and how to raise children in Christian households. Miriam led women, Acquila was in leadership. But women are not given power and authority over man. We can be philosophical and meander all we want but let us understand the scriptures spiritually........
Context, both of the original language and the theology Paul is using.
His example in this letter to Timothy is Adam and Eve, the first husband and wife.
Compare this passage to I Corinthians 11 where we see divine order, 1) God 2) the Man Jesus Christ 3) the husband 4) his wife.
The Greek has multiple words that could be translated "man" with various connotations. The one here in 1 Timothy (same word in chapter 3 with the qualifications for bishops) is "aner" or "husband". There is only (unfortunately) one Greek word for "woman" - "gyne" (from which we derive gynecology and other such medical terms).
This word can mean an adult woman, regardless of marital status (single, married, divorced or widowed), but the context supplies the definition.
In the case of 1 Timothy chapter 2 (as in the first part of chapter 3 "the husband of one wife"), the proper translation would be wife.
This clears up a lot of potential confusion.
So verse 12 is better translated,
"I do not allow a wife to teach over (contradict the teaching) or usurp authority over the husband. For Adam was first formed ..."
The theological context is the family, not a congregation of believers (a church).
He explains that
its amazing to me when people explain that Gods word really dosent mean what it says
Oh. You think it's better when we read the Bible and explain that God's words are exactly what men who wrote at a certain time - in a certain place - say it is?
And so women should not Pastor Church?
You think this is what God is thinking about?
You would rather limit what you know of God - to the Bible?
Reduce him to women wearing scarves?
Really?
And this is the God you have as God?
Friend.
One thing is to be used by God another is to be the pastor over a congregation. No one would deny that the scripture supports women as prophets etc both in the so called OT and NT. This man is digressing from the point to avoid the specific clarity of Pauls instruction.
@@shitsugane, We should believe and practice what God has revealed to us through His prophets and apostles... God indeed revealed to us through Paul that woman should not teach man about the words of God, because it was the woman who was deceived by satan not man... Dr. David was referring to the early Christians, not the bible Christians.. There was no woman authorized by the apostles to preach the words of God...
@@sarahdenicolo8546, there was no woman authorized by the apostles to preach the words of God, the scriptures did not prohibit woman to prohecy but to teach man about the words of God and to usurp authority over a man.. Please use your Spiritual understanding...
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo small God
You see - I am able to see where it is human beings are speaking and where God is speaking. Human beings are small - and then we make God small.
God does not care whether or not women Pastor Church.
Infact - he calls people to Pastor and preach - both men and women
I do not believe the Universe as we know it was created in six working days either.
We are caught by ourselves and our own thoughts of God and then call this God.
It's astonishing.
He doesn't care whether or not you wear a scarf in Church either.
God bless
“In the last days, God says,” “I will pour out my Spirit on all people.” “Your sons and daughters will prophesy.” “Your young will see visions.” “Your elders will dream dreams.” “Even upon my servants, men and women,” “I will pour out my Spirit in those days,” “and they will prophesy.”
Acts 2:17-18
Are we living in the last days, and if we do, then the women must be appointed as shown in Act2:17-18
There is a particular role for the women, let the aged women with wisdom, and the one who obey the husband, should be allowed to teach the younger women how to love their husbands. Read the well, specific to teach your women to love their husbands! The Bible did not allow them to rule over men, because of jezebel spirit at work in most churches
The Bible say they wil prophesy, ... prophesy is not limited from women to women,
I see the same people who believe the wives must be submissable also allow their wifes to work for money in the market place, and earn a salary. When it comes to church the same people quickly forget that the bible teaches that the husband must work and earn the salary.. when we talk particular roles which is old testament, we quickly repremant that women can not do anything in the church, but its no problem for his wife to go and earn a salary.. The morden day church has double standards, its ok for the wife to work for the world, but not ok to work for Christ. Its is clear from Act 2, that in the last days women will be appointed in church and that they wil prophecy.... otherwise you dwifes should stop working and stay at home, and repent, and do restitusion and pay all the earnings back... So for me, I will alwo my wife to preach the word of God, as longs as the Holy Spirit direct the word as shown in Acts 2
@@riaanbarwise5307 read PROVERBS 31:10-31
Prophesy isn't preaching
@@11304800 Most of the Old Testament books consist of prophets... were they not preacher?
The Major Prophets are Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel . The Minor Prophets are Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi.
Not sure why a women can be allowed to prophesy but not preach. It is clear that we see s dispendational change for the later church. Otherwise you font believe in the NT
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:17-18 KJV
Let's look at the wholeness of Scripture, so Bro. Bernard mentioned. This doesn't mean to go and find Scripture that has women speaking in some way to prove your point. This setting in Timothy and in I Cor.14:34,35, is very specific about women speaking and specifically in the gathering of the Saints (1Cor.14). The speaking is not just talking amongst themselves, but teaching and preaching according to the specific definition in the Greek. This English word, Speak or to Speak is used 295 times in the KJV and is used in 67 unique forms. And the Greek spelling, in context, is used in the same verses such as, Jo.7:46, Jo.8:30, Jo.12:50, Acts6:10, Acts11:15, Acts 14:1,9 plus others. The context is preaching/teaching. In Timothy specifically says, teaching, but you are told told that this is referring to a woman with false doctrine. But the Word doesn't say that does it? But it also says, nor usurp authority, which in context means for the Woman not to Govern, exercise dominion over the man. Pretty plain understanding when reading it in context, women in the church are not to exercise governing or teaching/preaching over a man but to silent in these matters! But Why? Verse 14 explains, For Adam was first formed then Eve! There you have it, but there is more, Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in transgression.
This has nothing to do with prophecies, teaching Bible studies at home at work or talking in general, But everything to do with not to Pastor/Govern, Teaching/Preaching in the Assembly of the Saints. 1Cor 14 brings this out clearer in verse 34 when, Paul says not to speak (teach/preach), because the law commands this! Not the Mosaic Law, but the Law God put in motion at the fall in the Garden.
They would die because they ate
Man would work hard
And women would suffer in giving birth
But also she would be subject to her
Man......
This Law, is what Paul was referring to. Why would Paul make this statement? For talking? Come on, this is pretty clear when its studied in Context
Excellent submission!
Amen!!
Incredible man of God! Not on board with Oneness but have heard him debate his stance and he definitely holds his own!
What is your problem with oneness ?
@@michaelsherry4860 its not so much as a problem. Both views are reasonable but also both have questions to be answered. The new testament writers seem to write about the Father, Jesus and the Holy spirit with very distinct personalities. Jesus says he will go and the Holy Spirit will come back (in oneness this is like, he'll exit the room, change and come back), and while this can still make some sense, it is also readable to say they are two different persons. When Jesus is baptized the father says this is my son, and then the holy spirit lands as a dove. This is tough to understand if you believe these are all one person and all this happening at the same time.
The trinitarian view is a pantheistic one.
Jesus Christ exiting the room and coming back after changing is supported by a number of verses e.g. Luke 24:46-47 KJVS - Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name
He speaks about Himself in the third person. It is something God Almighty does in old and new testaments.
He also said, "Wherever two or more of you are gathered, I am in the midst.". I have spoken to many who attend trinitarian churches who acknowledge that it is Jesus who is the Spirit who is there.
The main problem of trinitarian thinking is thinking of God Almighty as being part of creation i.e. cannot be in two places at exactly the same time. Jesus Christ proclaimed that He can be in 1,000,000+ places at exactly the same time.
Jesus Christ is the representation of God Almighty. God needs a vessel to shine out of:
Revelation 21:23 KJVS - And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, even the Lamb is the lamp thereof.
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Translations are usually perverted to mimic the translators beliefs. You might need to do a study using a greek interlinear to know that the quotes that I am posting are accurate.
Revelation 21:22 KJVS - And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty even the Lamb is the temple of it.
.... The verb "is" = singular
The "even" is usually translated as "and".
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Jesus Christ disagreed with the trinitarian view when He said, "John 10:30 KJVS - I even Father are one.". The jews he spoke to understood exactly what He was saying: John 10:33 KJVS - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
@@michaelsherry4860 Well Jesus and the Father are one what? One God. Trinitarians believe its one God. You don't have to accept the Trinity, but denying that its been understood that way since the church early fathers is really goofy for someone who really wants to know the truth.
@@Rollsroyster4508 Who do you consider the "early church fathers" to be ?
A woman does not have the authority to teach a man to be a man because he was created first, but she can teach him to be a good man. That is what mothers are for!
Wrong
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Yes God can use sister to do the will of God, God will know you as a brother if you do the will of God, God will know you as a sister or mother ,if you do the will of God,MATTHEW 12:46-50 hope this will help. UPCI NZ God bless.
A man is dying and in need of Salvation, he asks how can he be saved? There's a "Christian" woman who sees him and wants to help but she remembers all the times she was told by others "women shouldn't preach/teach." So she walks on. The man dies and is now out of time.
@@jesuschristfirst5775 your explanation is way off, it's not compare
This question is not to be contentious but what if a husband’s wife is a pastor? Does he submit to her as a pastor or does she submit to him as her husband?
(Adding to this question ) can a woman pastor a church ? Can we call them pastor ? for example pastor Sarah or pastor Martha . I’m not against women serving The Lord, but this is something that we have to be careful !
I was thinking the same thing if a woman pastors a church she has to be head of the household as well... how could she be head of the Church Of the living God but not head of her our own house? That would not make any sense 😐
A wife can pastor a church but she cannot pastor her husband, he would simply attend a different church.
@@BrettWJCarr that seems like confusion and we know God is not the author of confusion. But maybe your just being funny 😁
He did address that when he mentioned the female prophets of the Old Testament as well as with Pricilla and Aquilla and some of the husband/wife teams of the NT.
For those who don’t know, the upci will license anyone with their pastors approval. If you want a ministerial license to clean the church, you can get it. It’s different from other Christian movements with regards to licenses and ordination. The real question that needs to be answered is this; can a woman be a Presbyter or senior pastor?
I never experienced or witnessed what you mentioned in your first 2 sentences in 42 years. Must be from a different state from me, (will not reveal) and/or culture.
@@jenniferhorton14 after the WPF split of 2007, there has been a push to license as many people as they can. This was a top down vision. Each state/section is semiautonomous, so your mileage will vary. lol I’m not upci nor WPF, but I fellowship both and keep an eye on both. The upci comes from the liberal school of theology, thereby they can license most anyone. Ordination is reserved for men I believe in keeping with New Testament tradition. Honestly, having a license is nothing more than joining a guild or club. It has no bearing on ministry or value to Christ.
it amazes me how some men can sound so eloquent and knowledgeable as they deny the word of God. THE BIBLE SAYS, I DO NOT PERMIT A WOMAN TO TEACH PERIOD
So why did Priscilla teach Apollos? Ken Bailey worked in Middle East for almost 40 years and does a wonderful teaching on the subject
amen
@@michaelbrickley2443 Amen
You need to read again who should teach the younger women and where should they be taught
Who is the “I” speaking? Did he have thorns on His head, or just a thorn in his side? Are we even sure Paul wrote the Pastoral Epistles?
It has been said men will do all sorts of gymnastics to justify their errors and this is a case in point.
TRUTH
So true. Just read what the Word says and do it. Bro Bernard was adding all of this commentary that is not scripture. It’s really shocking to me.
Bus10, they are FORCED to add commentary…to “formulate their THEORY.”
It’s simply NOT in the scriptures.
He added a lot. This is how people fall into error and disobey God's law.
Well…I don’t see men in the American churches doing gymnastics to get rid of circumcision, yet seems like the New Testament says it isn’t necessary anymore. Everyone is guilty of picking cherries.
There is a difference between preaching and teaching. Woman shouldn’t be preaching in front of the whole congregation. But they can teach the younger ones and to all the female congregation
Why do you say this? My grandmother was a preacher over 40 years. God uses all! Men and woe to stead as save people
Men and women
@@kimberlygause8759 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. Titus 2:3-5 ESV
@@kimberlygause8759 “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.”
1 Timothy 2:12 KJV
God does have a special role in the kingdom of God to be a blessing but not from the pulpit, preaching and exercising spiritual authority over men among the congregation
Says over a man. Not a church
If someone explains that a certain word of God is not mean as written!!!! So no single word of God will stand, because every word will twisted on wrong meaning. The prophecy tells that satan will opposes and in order to exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship on every called a word to make word of God with no effect. Every word of God will be explained as someone wishes in his/her mind. The command of God is plain. When God said do not eat the forbidden fruit of central tree, that word need not interpretation. But serpent came to interpret so that to divert the real plain command. In order to deceive Eve, he bring explanation which sound good in the mind of Eve who doubted that command as we doubt today. Now the explanation lead Eve free not to obey the command, and this was the deadly aim of father of lies. The same is carrying on nowadays. Many came and will come in Jesus name and deceive many through divertive explanation to make believers free from the plain command of God. One will divert people on this word and others will do on another words till all words of God set down to feet of men and exalt the opposing word of satan instead. The word of lie will remain in minds of deceived believers thinking that it is the real word of God. Jesus and apostles warned us on this -Mathew 24: 11; Acts 20: 28-31; 2 Peter 2:1-3. The same master of explanation aimed to divert men from the plain words of God is working through deceived men called/ call themselves servant of God - 2Corinthias 11: 2,3. Satan even attempted to divert Jesus from the word of God through interpretations aimed to lead astray from written truth. The ignorant and unstable twist the plain word of God to their own destruction through interpretations , as they also do to the rest of the scriptures. 2Peter 3:15, 18.
1 Corinthians 14:33-38 KJV
[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. [34] Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [35] And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. [36] What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? [37] If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. [38] But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
💯This is Who and What Women can teach..
”The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; that they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,“
Titus 2:3-4 KJV
David K Bernard Paul was not a 21st century gentile, he was not a member of a 21st century religion called The United Pentecostal Church International whose charter members vote on which doctrines to teach. Paul was chosen by Yeshua, Paul was an Hebrew from the tribe of Benjamin which is the House of Judah, Paul was chosen as an apostle by Yeshua himself, when he saw the risen savior who called him, and Paul said " I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence 1 Tim 2:12"
The man-made denomination of the gentile UPCI has no authority to teach women should be teachers in the church to teach men, when a handpicked apostle said a woman cannot teach men in the church. You said in the video there used to be churches that had women teaching men until the Catholics put a stop to it, then that is the one thing the Catholics did right since they followed the bible. Your denomination is irrelevant, all that matters is what the scripture say, and the scriptures say women cannot be teachers over men in the church.
People need to understand Jesus was not a baptist, he was not a Pentecostal, he was not a Lutheran or a Methodist or a Jehovah Witness, he like Paul was an Hebrew, Paul did not say we are grafted into Pentecostalism he said believers are grafted into Israel Romans chapter 11.
Jesus picked 12 apostles and he didn't pick one woman why?
The 11 apostles had to draw for the 12th and they didn't pick a woman either why?
Jacob had 12 sons but he also had 1 daughter why didn't she get a tribe?
A woman carried our lord for nine moths
I think the reason is because having both male and female disciples could have been a stumbling block to those who would have assumed that he was advocating unmarried men and women sleeping in close proximity to each other. It certainly could have given the appearance of promoting or allowing "living in sin," which would have been an unnecessary distraction to His ministry, and certainly something else that he would have to explain on a frequent basis to his critics: eating and fellowshipping with sinners is one thing, but giving the impression of providing every opportunity for at least the temptation of fornication is another. Jesus said that the Son of Man does not have a place to lay His head... Basically, while they stayed in residences at times, they also slept outside, akin to being homeless. There situation was very different than what traveling ministries have now, where unmarried men wont share a hotel room with unmarried women (hopefully).
Regarding Jacob having one daughter and her not getting a tribe, I think it's maybe hard to justify her being the head of a tribe when a household is a much smaller social group than an entire tribe, and women are not supposed to rule over men in a household.
@@beatricewamboi4316 and were the first human beings told by the angel in the empty tomb to go tell everyone else that Jesus had risen! If that doesn't count as preaching, it sure seems like it should.
I will say that he did change means more than once. What got me was 1 Timothy 3 explaination. If a man happenes to have a family then his home should be in order. If he doesnt have a family, that does not stop him from overseer. Husband of one wife only means if the man is married or has been married, he would have had a total of one wife and not breaking Christ law on the command of divorce. So if we add to the Word and subtract from the Word, thats not good practice according to the Word of God in Revelation. Praying for correctioin, or rebuke, to be encouraging and peaceful. Amen
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). In the church, God assigns different roles to men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and the way in which sin entered the world (1 Timothy 2:13-14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11-14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then the majority of Jesus’ disciples would not have been qualified. A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching men (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, the pastor of the church in Ephesus). Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, and women were the authorities in that branch of paganism-therefore, the theory goes, Paul was only reacting against the female-led customs of the Ephesian idolaters, and the church needed to be different. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention the standard practice of Artemis worshipers as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
A third objection is that Paul is only referring to husbands and wives, not men and women in general. The Greek words for “woman” and “man” in 1 Timothy 2 could refer to husbands and wives; however, the basic meaning of the words is broader than that. Further, the same Greek words are used in verses 8-10. Are only husbands to lift up holy hands in prayer without anger and disputing (verse 8)? Are only wives to dress modestly, have good deeds, and worship God (verses 9-10)? Of course not. Verses 8-10 clearly refer to all men and women, not just husbands and wives. There is nothing in the context that would indicate a narrowing to husbands and wives in verses 11-14.
Yet another objection to this interpretation of women in pastoral ministry is in relation to women who held positions of leadership in the Bible, specifically Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament. It is true that these women were chosen by God for special service to Him and that they stand as models of faith, courage, and, yes, leadership. However, the authority of women in the Old Testament is not relevant to the issue of pastors in the church. The New Testament Epistles present a new paradigm for God’s people-the church, the body of Christ-and that paradigm involves an authority structure unique to the church, not for the nation of Israel or any other Old Testament entity.
Similar arguments are made using Priscilla and Phoebe in the New Testament. In Acts 18, Priscilla and Aquila are presented as faithful ministers for Christ. In verse 18, Priscilla’s name is mentioned first, suggesting to some that she was more prominent in ministry than her husband. (The detail of whose name comes first is probably inconsequential, because in verses 2 and 26 the order is reversed from that of verse 18.) Did Priscilla and her husband teach the gospel of Jesus Christ to Apollos? Yes, in their home they “explained to him the way of God more adequately” (Acts 18:26). Does the Bible ever say that Priscilla pastored a church or taught publicly or became the spiritual leader of a congregation of saints? No. As far as we know, Priscilla was not involved in ministry activity in contradiction to 1 Timothy 2:11-14.
In Romans 16:1, Phoebe is called a “deacon” (or “servant”) in the church and is highly commended by Paul. But, as with Priscilla, there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that Phoebe was a pastor or a teacher of men in the church. “Able to teach” is given as a qualification for elders, but not for deacons (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Titus 1:6-9).
The structure of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 makes the reason why women cannot be pastors perfectly clear. Verse 13 begins with “for,” giving the “cause” of Paul’s statement in verses 11-12. Why should women not teach or have authority over men? Because “Adam was created first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived” (verses 13-14). God created Adam first and then created Eve to be a “helper” for Adam. The order of creation has universal application in the family (Ephesians 5:22-33) and in the church.
The fact that Eve was deceived is also given in 1 Timothy 2:14 as a reason for women not serving as pastors or having spiritual authority over men. This does not mean that women are gullible or that they are all more easily deceived than men. If all women are more easily deceived, why would they be allowed to teach children (who are easily deceived) and other women (who are supposedly more easily deceived)? The text simply says that women are not to teach men or have spiritual authority over men because Eve was deceived. God has chosen to give men the primary teaching authority in the church.
Many women excel in gifts of hospitality, mercy, teaching, evangelism, and helping/serving. Much of the ministry of the local church depends on women. Women in the church are not restricted from public praying or prophesying (1 Corinthians 11:5), only from having spiritual teaching authority over men. The Bible nowhere restricts women from exercising the gifts of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12). Women, just as much as men, are called to minister to others, to demonstrate the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), and to proclaim the gospel to the lost (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; 1 Peter 3:15).
God has ordained that only men are to serve in positions of spiritual teaching authority in the church. This is not because men are necessarily better teachers or because women are inferior or less intelligent (which is not the case). It is simply the way God designed the church to function. Men are to set the example in spiritual leadership-in their lives and through their words. Women are to take a less authoritative role. Women are encouraged to teach other women (Titus 2:3-5). The Bible also does not restrict women from teaching children. The only activity women are restricted from is teaching or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors to men. This does not make women less important, by any means, but rather gives them a ministry focus more in agreement with God’s plan and His gifting of them.
This is the best explanation I’ve read
This was a great 💯
where the bible said presella was a pastor?not because her name was mentioned first it mean that
There are several times you intertwine the words prophecy and preach. There is a distinct difference between the two. I’m going to have to disagree with this assessment.
Actually if you look into the word prophecy it’s more than just forth telling but it’s also considered foretelling. When you’re speaking as an instrument for the Holy Ghost that is a form of prophecy. Just do a study for yourself and see what you come across
You are 100% right. This is not accurate teaching of the scriptures
In both instances she will be standing before the congregation. Just a thought and thank you for your thought on the subject.
Bible especially the NTand the part of the doctrine, we must take things literally, no interpretation can be used to substantiate. The speaker deliberately omitted 1 cor ch 15:34-38. Where Paul specifically said that it is the command of the Lord.(37) it is very specific that women should not preach in the church. What 18:14 the doctrine is not meant your just one period like first century or a few years. It is for the entire church , till it exists that is till the rapture. In Revalation ch 7 :1-8, God chose only 144thousand men to preach. No women. Let us be truthful while interpreting the word. Not to please one section of the so called churches who exist on the false preachings even about the Hloy Spirit of God and prosperity. Rajakumar Raja Lazarus.
Please delete ‘ what 18-14’
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1st Timothy 3
That's a overseer or pastor .. preacher is not always a pastor.. of course a woman csnt be a pastor but that does not m3an she csnt preach . Pulling timothy second chapter only states that a women can't over come him or put her own authority over him because he is going to pastor for PaulPaul.
And what is a bishop? How is that relevant to this particular discussion?
@@jasonbadger9164 a bishop is a church leader. Women are not bishops meaning they can't lead a church at all. They are to submit to male spiritual leaders.
Bishop from Greek "episkopos" - one who watches over.
Yes, this is a general term of church leadership.
No, it does not exclude women.
It does not exclude single men, or married men without children.
Cultural context is important for a proper understanding of Scripture. Paul was dealing with a culture where all the churches (gatherings of believers) met together in homes.
In Greco-Roman culture (the setting of this letter to Timothy) , women were considered to be in charge of the home. The men did all the civic work (voting, serving in political office, running businesses, buying and selling property).
In the early (New Testament era) church, the majority of the church leaders were women. Paul is endorsing men to also be in church leadership all ng with the women and he gives a framework for the kind of character and reputation such a man should have " IF a man desire the office of a bishop..."
Immediately before this, he has addressed spiritual order in the home - the wife is not to contradict the teaching of her husband or usurp his authority.
Oh wow, that was explained very well. Thank you Bro David and GOD bless!
Servant don't necessarily mean decaon so if you say or try to use that reason mr Bernard explain 1timothy 3:2,12 explain 1corinthians 14:34 explain 1timothy 2:11,13 also mr Bernard prophet's don't always mean preaching, the women in the old testament that you say were like prophet's are the same as in the new testament your sons and your daughters will prophesied, it doesn't not mean preach, it means to tell the future event UPC CAN PAW ARE WRONG, YOU BOTH HAVE LOWER THE STANDARDS IN HOLINESS,
“Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”
1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV
As also saith the law! You skipped that part Brother Bernard. This was not an isolated incident in which Paul was speaking. This was already in the law! This was commanded by God. Paul would also write that everything he had written in those epistles were commandments from God. It also says churches, plural, meaning more than one. This also shows it was not isolated. There is only one church so this is saying in all gatherings of the church. It is saying in every congregation of that one church.
Then they need to not prophesy as listed in 1 Cor 11 and Acts 21.
@@shaunbutler238 being as Scripture says they can prophesy, that is not what this scripture is speaking of. That was further explained in other comments. Nobody is saying he’s wrong about prophesy. We’re saying he’s wrong about calling a woman Pastor or saying that any scripture in the Bible says otherwise. Prophet is not the same as Pastor or even Apostle. That is why Jesus was referred to as both prophet and apostle. He represented the former house and the latter house.
@@shaunbutler238 and that is why Paul continued to explain, in that same chapter, that prophecy and speaking in tongues are permitted and not to deny. It’s because those are not the issues he was writing about.
@@shaunbutler238 and lastly, that he is why he writes “What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”
1 Corinthians 14:36. This church was allowing things that were not permitted and in doing so putting themselves above God and His church that was already established. They were allowing women to speak in a manner that was not permitted, as is the context here. Scripture says they can prophecy, speak in tongues, pray, and many other things. What they can’t do though is hold any authority over men in the church. They can’t preach or teach men, only daughters and children as explained in Titus. This church was allowing these women to attempt to exercise authority that they did not have and Paul was telling them to stop because the Word of the Lord did not come from them. They had no authority to do these things and were being rebuked.
If a woman can't preach she can't sing, pray or teach Sunday school she can't even be saved in the church
A disappointing, plain scripture-evading presentation. And Priscilla certainly wasn't a pastor as he said but was merely assisting her husband to explain the Word as 'co-workers' in their home.
No, she was the prominent teacher here, not Aquila. Seriously, did you listen to anything he said in this video? Smh.....
You need to do a little digging on women in ministry and home churches. Things changed after the end of the 2nd, beginning of the 3rd century
@@michaelbrickley2443 The Book of the Acts reveals God's Standard for all time, regardless of any century era. It's because we live in a so-called modern era that many people think the plain Word does not apply today when rather God and His Word do not change but man gets deceived by talent.
@@GodsView1 not sure what you're trying to say here. Priscilla did what? The verse reads Priscilla (name first) which establishes primacy. You can twist and turn the verses of choice anywhich way you choose. You're the one who can't see that Jesus was doing something different. He had women disciples traveling with Him. He talked to a WOMAN from Samaria, who truth be told, was the first evangelist and taught Mary as well as the other male disciples. Do you want to be educated or do you want to keep being wrong on this matter?
Phoebe was not a deacon because a woman cannot meet qualifications of being a deacon, and again Paul when he was reffering to women he didn't use terms like fellow workers but he called them fellow soldier.
I begin to wander if men who defend women preaching or ordination of women are aware that heresy is a serious sin? In Revelation 2:20, Christ rebuked the Church in Thyatira for allowing a woman called Jezebel to teach among other sins. This confirms Paul's statement in 1st Corinth. 14:37, that the commandment for women not to teach in the congregation of the saints is a commandment of the Lord and not his. So what is David saying. Does his philosophical argument overrule Christ's commandment? He is telling us about women prophets in the Old Testament, why did he not mention one woman priest in the Old Testament? Is prophesying, the same thing as teaching? Some of these pastors don't fear God, they teach their doctrines and the Bible says: "For in vain they worship me teaching as doctrines the commandments of men" Mark 7:7. They lead their congregations into error and the Bible has this for them and their congregation." The leaders of this people cause them to err, and they that are led of them are destroyed". Isaiah 9:16.
Deborah was a Judge over Israel. A Judge was a
shepherd or shepherdess that God put over His people.
Taken from my short essay on her below:
A Judge at this time, was VERY different from a judge in our time.
The Judge was over the nation of Israel. But not as a man, as
King, or as a woman, as Queen, because God was not rejected as King as yet.
God ruled Israel through the Judges.
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
If you want a study my essay can be posted up.
In the book of Timothy it also says to preach this in season and out of season whatever was going on seems to still stand as to women teaching elsewhere
I can't believe the presiding Bishop is supporting women preaching...
I’m with you…I’m shocked. Tune into Gino Jennings. He was raised Pentecostal and came out of our denomination/doctrine because of falsehood.
This world is going to end. I just lost all my respect for him
Yes…. He’s in error
@@bus10dus10 Jeno violates the love and mercy of our lord. If you really listen and study what he
Says you will see his error. The anger in his preaching is not from the spirit of God. It’s all flesh. I bet you
Don’t understand all he says, you just believe it because of his delivery. Study….please you will see
Bible supports it
You obviously don't know what the word suffer means you haven't done you home work
If a women teaches or not, that's between her and God. If it's a problem then the Holy Spirit will convict. I find women to be great teachers.
This dear people still need to search the scriptures.what a mess o lord have mercy.every man is doing what is right in there own eyes.
Well said. I agree. Also, in that 1 Timothy 2:12 , Paul does not say that God said women ( plurar ) should not teach men, he ( Paul ) said that he does not permit it.
I attend a UPC Church… After this explanation, I’m now even more convinced that Paul didn’t want women be in an authoritative roll in the church..
Let him show whatever he is saying in the bible
@@annetteboothe8291 research it yourself that way you won't have a critical spirit.the Word is final
If you love the wouls, you won't be act the enemy of souls.
Paul was call by God, he was led by God. A woman was forbidden to preach and thats settled it. This man not teaching sound doctrine.
@@richardosborne2067 Indeed it is.
I love your teaching !! Thank you Jesus for brother Bernard ❤
Do not twist the holy scriptures Just keep them Holily WOMEN CAN BE PROPHETESSES BUT NOT PASTORS OR TEACHERS OF GOD'S WORD IN MALES AND FEMALES
1 CORINTHIANS 14:33-40, KJV CONGREGATIONS
Paul wrote that prophetesses are above teachers.
All scripture is God-breathed, the Holy Ghost is inspired emphatically on every page of the Bible. For Paul, who is filled with the Holy Ghost, to speak this indicates that 1 Timothy 2:12 was a direct order from the Lord our God! As a wise man said, if people think education is expensive, try ignorance🙏🏽 Great respect to Bernard! But this is right here is off…
Ill begin my criticism by stating that I think God for Bishop Bernard and men like him that have aided the Apostolic movement in getting back to first century Christianity in so many ways.
I respect him as a Bishop of Christ's Church- but not my Bishop, as I am ordained in the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World. Now that is out of the way...
As Apostolics- we pride ourselves in being "sola scriptura" and yet we here find the "leading theologian" of our movement leading off with the same "culture of the time" argument defending women leaders that others denominations use against us on the head covering/hair issue.
Further-and more to the point- there are rules of interpretation (Law of Witnesses, Law of First Mention, Didactic Preeminence, etc) that, when properly and evenly applied, help us to come to a proper understanding of difficult passages. Two of which are clearly broken in this exposition.
Firstly, Didactic Preeminence- Meaning, passages that are instructive in nature are to be used to interpret passages that are narrative in nature.
Secondly, Clear Interprets Unclear- that we are to harmonize passages difficult to interpret in light of those that are plain and clear.
Sadly, Bishop Bernard has broken both of these rules here to defend a 20th century pentecostal "culture."
Why do I say this? Because he interprets the didactic and clear passages in the epistles and in light of anecdotal narrative passages. The opposite is the only proper approach.
When rightly divided, the Bible is clear. The rule is that men are to lead and women are not. the Bible gives exceptions to these rules (head covering passage as noted by brother Bernard) and provides examples of these exceptions.
It seems brother Bernard would prefer gymnastics to defend the UPCI status quo, then to take the hard path and LEAD by teaching the accurate and unpopular position.
I have seen many great women spiritual leaders. I serve under just such woman in ministry now. But the Scripture must interpret our experiences. Not the other way around.
Or if I'll be permitted to paraphrase- despite our experiences, "we have a more sure Word of prophecy."
Peace to you all
you wrote:
When rightly divided, the Bible is clear. The rule is that men are to lead and women are not.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Reply for it if desired.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
That is how a woman could judge
men of their sins, including homicide.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
6:30 a judge and prophetess is not a preacher and teacher of God's Word. Poor example.
I faithfully attend a UPCI church. Have always appreciated Bro Bernard and his knowledge of the word however disagree with him on this topic.
Why is God always referred to as a man?
Why did God come to earth as a male?
It clearly sets the precedents that men are called to be the leaders of spiritual authority.
Why did Jesus Christ choose 12 men to start the New Testament church?
Not a single women was chose to be a founding leader by God.
Did God make a mistake or was there no spiritual women of the day?
Why was a man given the keys and preached the New Testament plan of salvation Acts2:38.
why are the 12 Patriarchs all male?
Revelation 21:12
“And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel
Debra said it was a shame she had to fill a man’s role.
Certainly we have no proof that Percilla was the leader nor was she preaching and teaching behind a pulpit
Note in verse 18 the order of the names are switched.
Her and her husband are clearly sharing the gospel outside the authority of a pulpit as all Christians are called to do.
Paul gave the role for women in another scripture, to teach the women.
Titus 2:4-5
How can the women be the weaker vessel yet the spiritual authority in a church or home setting?
When is the man the spiritual leader and when is he subject to the spiritual authority of a women if indeed women are called by God to Exercise spiritual authority!
Can a wife be under spiritual subjection to her husband and at the same time have spiritual authority over other men?
How can anyone effectively preach, teach or lead a church body without having authority?
I agree we need to read scripture as a whole and when we do it becomes very clear what God had in mind for Men and Women.
God created both for a unique and Divine purpose. Two totally separate purposes yet when working as God intended profitability to the family and church.
Both equally important!
When the church takes it upon themselves to mix and match, mingling the two we come up with transgender theology
Yes the church twisting the word of God to appease some has lead to this abomination we see Prevalent in our world today.
MEN ACTING LIKE WOMEN AND WOMEN ACTING LIKE MEN!
I know UPCI minsters that agree.
Spiritually speaking the church must begin to teach men to be men , women to be women in order to fulfill the call as such just as God intended from the beginning.
Both male and female are called to share the gospel but as many wrongfully interpret that has nothing to do with usurping spiritual authority.
Outside the pulpit and like spiritual matters a women certainly can be a leader having authority over men such as business owners, public matters etc.
Women were not made inferior to men by God. The true Tragedy of our day is women that do not realize and a church that doesn’t let them know just how desperately needed their God given Attributes are. We don’t need manly women. churches and it’s families need more women being women.
A man had nothing to do with The salvation plan but a woman did. She gave birth, loved and nurtured the savior of the entire world !!
Thank God and a woman for Jesus Christ!
In your first statement aren't you forgetting that Scripture says " God is not a man, that He should lie, neither the son of man, that He should repent:... " Num. 23:19 A very clear statement that God is not a man. Also Job 9:32 " For He is not a man, as I am, that I should answer Him, and we should come together in judgement. "
Jesus was a man and God manifested in the flesh, secondly the point was and the fact is that God is always referred to in a masculine analogy
@@BrettWJCarr True what this scripture says, that God is not a man, but it does say "HE" and our God wants us to see HIm as the Father. I would expect He wants us to see Him as male.
@@tradarcher8714 Jesus said the Father was in Him, doing the works, Jesus was fully human in His flesh and fully God in His Spirit, this is why the Scripture say God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. Jesus body did not become glorified till after His resurrection. Otherwise you would have to believe that God could be nailed to a cross and die. And if His body was God before the crucifixion then He would not have cried out my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me... since His body did not leave Him. I believe from Scripture that the truth is the Spirit of God departed from Him during the crucifixion because He became sin for us and the Holy God cannot dwell in sin.
@@BrettWJCarr This verse in Job, to me, means that God is not a man, a created being. Yes, God is spirit, but Clearly, His Word makes references to the Godhead as the Father (male) King of Kings, Lord of Lords (male) Master, (male) the Son (male). Every verse speaking of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is always "He, His, etc.
You are greatly skilled at laying out the facts and analysis. Thank you for your knowledge, technique, and leadership. Thank you for remaining true to the calling for which God has called you.
I don't care WHAT BERNARD SAID--- 1 Timothy 2:12, “But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” BERNARD is very GOOD at twisting the scriptures. History has nothing to do with women preaching.
💯 ”Yet hear the word of the LORD, O ye women, and let your ear receive the word of his mouth, and teach your daughters wailing, and every one her neighbour lamentation.“
Jeremiah 9:20 KJV
”Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.“
1 Timothy 2:11 KJV
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.“
Revelation 2:20 KJV
”But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.“
1 Timothy 2:12 KJV
”For Adam was first formed, then Eve.“
1 Timothy 2:13 KJV
I'll have to disagree with his opinion on the scripture which states "...of note among the apostles..." it doesn't mean they're apostles themselves anymore than believers among prophets makes them prophets.
King Saul prophesied also but it doesn't make him a prophet hence the OT question "Is Saul among the prophets?". No. Saul was called and failed. David was chosen specifically.
Nonsense.
@@LarzGustafsson prove me wrong
@@LarzGustafsson In regard to Romans 16:7, around the 10 minute 10 second mark of this video, in reference to the two people mentioned in this verse, which brother Bernard says one was a woman, brother Bernard says that the scripture teaches they were “notable apostles.” Brother Bernard is in error regarding this matter. The King James version of this particular scripture says, “…who are of note among the apostles.” The scripture does not say as he claims, that they were notable apostles. Read it for yourself in the KJV. In the NIV version it states, that they were “outstanding among the apostles.” In the amplified Bible the scripture reads as, “held in high esteem among the apostles.” In the new living translation it reads this way, “they are highly respected among the apostles.” There is no scripture from Matthew to Revelation that states any woman was an apostle. What brother Bernard has done with Romans 16:7 is to try to make it say something that it does not say. Even commentators on this scripture bring out the facts that this scripture is referring to these two individuals as being held in high esteem, or respect, among the apostles. They were not apostles and we should not be changing the scripture to fit what we may believe in regard to women in ministry.
We base our pattern in Tabernacle Plan.there is no priestess in the tabenacle.thank you
Amen
Which is greater to carry the word or preach the word?
Which is greater to carry the word or preach the word?
Hi Pastor Bernard, I absolutely love your understanding of the oneness. You have an incredible gift of teaching. But this subject I currently wrestle with and one day I'm going to have to give an answer to someone down the road my stance on this and the Bible's stance on this. Basically you had me until you started talking about the woman keeping her gender distinction and roll while pastoring. Now, I've met many wonderful Pastor's wifes who have great authority and could be considered prophets. But, I imagine that a pastor needs to be the authority of his own home if he is to be effective as a pastor. Paul mentioned follow me as I follow Christ. And the Bible says that the head of the woman is the man and the head of the man is Christ. So in my mind (and spirit) I see the woman as not being completely effective for the ministry of Pastor if she is not the spiritual head of the home.
Thank you so much for reading my comment, please respond back
There's no need to wrestle with the Truth, it would be kicking against the goad, like seriously... The reason why the church of GOD is lagging behind is because woman has left their apostleship at home and now struggling with Men to be famous on pulpits...
There's no need to wrestle with the Truth, it would be kicking against the goad, like seriously... The reason why the church of GOD is lagging behind is because woman has left their apostleship at home and now struggling with Men to be famous on pulpits...
You better find someone else to help you understand oneness.
@@biblicalmeditation4094 the oneness in Divinity or in spirituality or in humanity doesn't make Left hand to be right hand even though Both are hands and would perform same roles at certain point... Man is never and Will never, ever be woman no matter who or how you trans them.. this is outcome of spiritual demonstration of who GOD is... Women have no place in liturgical or theological pulpiteer... They can't and Will never be priest to present sacrificial offerings to YAHWEH Elohim... Their alters is at home.. where they're meant to build the foundation of godliness, train the future generations on how to worship God in Truth and in The spirit... Women are priests and pastors but at home... The fruit of their apostleship is in fact this present day world views of human livelihood... They failed at home and New generations got accursed with inflamed lists to the vain things of this world....
By your argument my pastor cannot be a pastor because he’s a single man and not the head over others in his own home.
Excellent explanation and declaration from Dr. Bernard. I don't regularly post on social media but I take this subject personally. Let's take this to real world application(I'm deliberately not citing scriptures here...my neighbor quotes many scriptures but has not yet born again from water and Spirit). I know of a woman whose husband abandoned her many years ago. She raised all her children and decided to continue the work of God. God has used her tremendously; many have been saved, restored, and equipped for ministry. Many pastors and leaders have come out from this vibrant church which she pastors. Will you override what God can do? Don’t let your own interpretation and theology get in the way of God’s work. Let God, let go!!!
Only after judgement can we approved ones works. The Bible says works will be tried by fire.
Have we not done many wonderful works in your name? Depart from me you have disobeyed the will of my father.
If there were that many ministers that have been produced then there should have been one produced capable of taking over the work so it can then be back in line with God’s order to the glory of him.
I did stop at 10:40 because I already saw zero scriptural support for anything you are claiming and misused passage after misused passage to teach a false doctrine here. Had to unsubscribe. This is shameful. Eve was deceived. Women are not to teach or usurp authority over men but are to learn in silence. A woman must learn in quietness and full submissiveness. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; she is to remain quiet. 13For Adam was formed first, and then Eve
3But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head
Amen!!!!
1 Cor 14:34 The text is clear. More scripture less opinion :-)
Agreed. And I think, depending on what “the law” means in this text, it leaves no room for debate one way or another.
Vs 35. “Shameful for a woman to speak in church”
@@jonnyb337 Yes. Excellent conclusion. Shameful for women to verbally share God and the Gospel lest another be saved.
@@Bible33AD I didn’t write the Bible lol
@@Bible33AD The Scriptures are clear but you should also watch “does the Bible permit a woman to preach?” By John MacArthur on TH-cam for further more detailed explanation👍
I’m a Presbyterian and although I don’t agree with much of the Pentecostal theology, Dr. Bernard’s explanation here is very good and goes along with what we Presbyterians believe. If Paul truly meant what he said in Timothy about women not teaching men etc, then his actions totally contradicted his teaching. There were problems of false teachers in the church in Ephesus and some of the women were led astray. That’s what Paul was addressing here. It was not a doctrine meant for the universal church. Dr Bernard shows this with a myriad of other examples from the Hebrew Scriptures through the New Testament. And look in what high esteem Jesus held women. If Paul was saying this as a mandate for all women, then he totally contradicts Jesus and the prominence women held in His earthly ministry. Very thorough answer here.
They are to teach the women and children.
@@deangelo8498 was Deborah in the book of judges teaching women and children?
@@maahju3848Deborah was a judge not a preacher
@@mr.renaissancemts A preacher/ Teacher and a judge are all appointed by God in those offices! These Men/Women stand in these offcies either judging or preaching/ Teaching all, Men and women with no distinction!!!
@@maahju3848 that's not true..,if your words are not backed up by scripture then you are speaking lies an if you don't know just say you don't have that understanding. To say a woman can preach will contradict scripture because we have scripture that says she cannot. Women can sing, testify, prophesy, pray all is ministering but preaching is not permitted sister
Listening to this guy here the scriptures are clear on this subject.where is God in all this wisdom cometh to those who seeks God's way and abide by his word.
Missed the whole argument. No one says they can’t do any of that. But in the CHURCH SETTING it’s not allowed. Scripture and all of history says so
These women were Prophesying not preaching. Two different things.
Prophesying and praying are TOTALLY different than teaching or preaching! Take the word of GOD for exactly what it is!
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
-Revelation 22 : 18
Yes!!!!! Exactly.
Just to be clear not all apostolics believe that women can be preachers and/or pastors but a lot of UPC do that's true.. And a lot of UPC women can out preach their men so but just to be clear it is not biblical..
Pastor Bernard did not explain 1 Corinthians 14:34 to 14:35
Paul was generally controversial 1Cor 14:33-35 in short the guy is saying women must SHUT UP in church after he just said (33) that God Don't want CONFUSION implying implying
We need sound doctrine sorry this is not it
Nowhere in scripture does it call any woman a Prophet. It always call them a Prophetess meaning female. Because no female was in the 5 fold ministry, all men. Romans 16:7 says kinsmen and fellowprisioners. So two men, not a woman like Bernard trying to make a woman an Apostle.
Servants meaning the women served in people's needs, not in ministry. No woman was called a Pastor in the bible. Because a woman testified to a man or tells what she knows to help someone does not make her a minister. And there is no co-pastor nonsense that they make up. The wife of a Pastor is just that. No first lady nonsense or co-pastor idiotic stuff to elevate her above all the other women in the assembly.
Come on PREACH!
Now here is someone with sense
Strain at a nat, swallow a camel
A "prophetess" is a female prophet.
Definitions:
What is "prophecy"?
To "prophesy" is to speak for God (say what God gives you to say).
What is a "prophet"?
A person to whom God gives something to say.
This isn't hard.
Acts 2 - ...I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh (no exclusion for sex/gender) and your ... daughters shall prophesy ["handmaids" i.e. female slaves too].
It is very simple. In the inaugural message on the birthday of the church, anyone who receives the Spirit, speaking in tongues not only can, but "shall" prophesy.
Those who haven't done so yet simply need to grow in their walk with God.
Also, see Numbers 11 - where a prophet (Moses - who is so identified in Scripture) says "all the Lord's people" would prophesy and He would put His Spirit on them.
If you believe only males can say something God gives them to say, you had better be consistent and say only males can be filled with the Spirit and speak in tongues - of course, you'd be going against a fundamental doctrine of Scripture, just like you are when you try to forbid women from doing what God empowered them to do when He filled them with the Holy Ghost.
"Don't elevate her above the other women in the assembly"
Very good - Book of James and others make clear there should not be "respect of persons" i.e. treatment for some as being better or higher than the rest in the church.
But let's not stop halfway ... A pastor is not better or higher than anyone else in the church either.
Biblical elders/leaders are both "examples of the believer" and "examples to the flock".
Teaching is by example, not top-down command and control. Jesus rebuked that nonsense every time his disciples displayed it.
Also, see III John 1:6-11.
The "preeminence " or putting self first (and by definition, others underneath) is characterized by Diotrephes - rebuked by John, the last of the original 12 who followed Jesus.
I did not say a woman could not prophesy like the Bible says. I said she can not be a Prophet as in the 5 ministrys in EPH 4:11. There is a reason a female is called a prophetess in scripture and not a Prophet, True or False ?
If there is no distinction of male and female when one prophesies, why does Paul command a woman to wear a head covering when she prays or prophesies in the assembly ?
Yet a man is commanded not to wear a covering when he prophesies.
And we know it is a cloth covering because it can be taken off and put back on at will, eliminating the idea of it being hair.
Paul is first giving a Created order.
God, head of Christ, Christ head of man, Man head of woman.
1Cor 11
9:40 arguing priscilla jointly explained doctrine to Apollos is a stretch. Just says they took Apollos in and explained to him - doesn't explicitly say that the wife did the explaining in turns with the husband so you are making that assumption only. She could have given her testimony but not taught doctrine and you assume she went into full teacher mode. Reading WAY too much into that example. Poor example. You conclude from this that she was a TEACHER AND PASTOR LOLOLOLOL we get she was in the office of a pastor from just that verse? Wow what a stretch.
9:43
Furthermore, David Bernard made a presumption that ‘… they led him into truth.’ The scripture reference doesn’t say that. It is silent on the resolution of that conversation. Apollos perhaps may have been won over, disagreed or would think about it? The outcome is not indicated and don’t theologians have disagreements? Apollo already had a remarkable gift for teaching scripture and pointing to the Messiah. Let the reader ponder that conversation without Mr. Bernard making conclusions that aren’t there.
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority (OVER) the man, but to be in silence.
So they can preach but they cant preach over the man. So if a man says shut up you are teaching wrong, then they should stop preaching and listen to man instead. Thats it, thats what it means. Not over the man but under the man is ok. So simple. Dont need to explain 18min and 13 seconds for easy thing like this.
You spoke of Joel 2: 26:28 please the gift of prophecy is subjected to the spirit of a prophet. The give does not give the right to become a preacher no ways read your Bible again.
12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
Isaiah 3:12KJV
Amen
Old Testament prophecy against idolatrous Israel.
Theological context matters.
This has nothing to do with "true worshippers" under the New Testament (Covenant).
More to the point, Spiritual Authority is not rulership over people.
See Mark 6, Matthew 10, Luke 9 and 10 for starters.
The rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, but it shall not be so among you ... Whoever will be great among you will be the servant of all"
Paraphrased ...
See Mark 9, Mark 10 and Matthew 23.
Powerful scripture. The principle still applies.
You did not quote one scripture that validates women as teachers, preachers or elders. You just give examples from traditions and your interpretation of Paul's greetings and salutations - not his doctrinal teachings - concerning women. God does not call women to go out and preach, and nowhere in the bible has it ever been done. Prophesying and preaching are NOT the same thing, a prophet does not expound on the word, they only speak specifically what God says. Being a worker, fellow-laborer in church is not synonymous with being a teacher, preacher or elder and you are deceiving people by saying it is. Paul never endorses women preaching, teaching or being elders, that is a blatant lie. And Deborah, was a Judge "at that time"...nowhere does God explicitly appoint her like he does for Gideon, Samson and others, matter-a-fact he tells her go get me Barak (a man). In Hebrews' hall of faith Gideon, Samson and Barak are mentioned, where is Deborah? But Sarah is mentioned...who called her husband lord.
So The Great Commission applies only to men?
Drop the mic sir! lol 😂
This should be a debate not a Q & A and with all due respect Mr. Bernard is adding a lot of his own Interpretationa to the Bible.. He reading into a lot of the text And in some cases just making things up things up, like Timothy not having a wife or inferring there was a woman that he wasn't getting along with in the church made up that's not Bible.
The Bible even tells us why a woman cannot teach or preach if you read 2nd Timothy Paul tells us why and it wasn't a woman that Timothy was having a problem with, the Bible goes back to the beginnin Adam-and-Eve and eve is the reason a woman cannot preach or teach
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1st Timothy 2 : 12-
Why we study the scripture?
We study to understand the message of the author and to learn applying it. We study Scripture for by understanding and learning we make changes to fit into the will of God. We do not change the message of the author to make it fit into what we are doing. As we continue studying we are continually changing.
It would take too much time to walk through the scriptures regarding women "pulpiteerig;" however, I will say this, the prohibition of women exercising in the teaching of men and or the pulpit ministry is rooted in the created order. Carefully study the Hebrew regarding the creation order in Genesis and then cross reference that with Paul's argument. It is clear: women are not to exercise in the teaching and or pulpit ministry over men.
This topic is one of the most debatable among Apostolic Pentecostal organizations
I haven't encountered that. I know quite a few Apostolic Pentecostal lady Preachers. It's the Baptist denomination that is really defensive and is against female Preachers. I don't believe Catholics permit women to preach either. I live in Augusta, Maine and attend an Apostolic Church, and once in a while our Pastors daughter comes to visit Maine from the country Norway, and I'll put her up against a male Preacher any day of the week because she's filled with the Holy Ghost, and knows her Bible. And she can sing and play panio beautifully. Her name is Sherry Willhoite, and she's a powerhouse Preacher.
@@derekbaker777 here in the Philippines, those Apostolic Organizations that are not under UPCI, do not ordain women to become leaders in the church or shortly into five-fold ministry
True
There's a difference between preaching and teaching from the perspective of witnessing and testifying to non-believers as opposed to pastoring over believers as a leader or authority
@@Post-Trib Good point. A lot of churches associate preaching with leadership/ pastor. God calls whom ever to preach the gospel. Leading a church is for men only…
We can contort scripture to please our own views, but the Word says what it says. God created the Book of 1Timothy, used the gifted anointed chosen apostle Paul to write these words. We can try to decipher what the 'man' Paul meant, but the anointed apostle Paul speaks from God's mouth, doesn't he?
I personally had more heartbreak and abuse at the hands of women bosses. I preferred to work with men (back when men were gentlemen) and it was so much better. Our God knows our hearts and how women are different than men, women are more emotional perhaps, and had the curse of Eve after the fall, Genesis 3:16 "And unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children and thy desire shall be to thy husband and he shall rule over thee". Christian women have many gifts of the Spirit, but, according to scripture as I read it, should not be a shepherd of the sheep.
There are commands for all of us to minister gifts to those around us. Women in the church can minister to the church, but perhaps not from a pulpit, where she commands reverence from both women and men. It's not me that wishes that women shouldn't preach, but if God felt there was some reason, He would not have given this message to Paul. I know we need to try to study what Paul actually meant, but in the end, it appears what it sounds like.
And when the scripture say the elder must have a wife, should the woman have a wife?
Excellent point. Qualifications were listed in scripture for Biblical oversight and one qualification was that the elders had to be the husband of one wife. No qualifications in scripture say that an elder was a woman and she had to have one husband. Biblically, women were not in pastor/oversight/elders functions. You won't find it scripturally. I would think scripture would have given qualifications to women if they were to be pastors/elders. We simply don't see it because women were not to teach men but rather the older women taught the younger women in Titus 2. Women also teach to children as we see in scripture.
The amount of men in the comment sections so worried about "women preachers" when they aren't preachers themselves is telling. We need everyone preaching the Gospel. He's coming soon! You have to take the Bible as a whole. "There is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Galatians 3:28.
Thanks for this biblical breakdown Dr. DK Bernard.
Praying more women are free to be used mightily for God... because when I was filled with the Holy Ghost, I didn't get the GIRL Holy Ghost, I got THE Holy Ghost. 😜🙌🫶
Dude stop please stop
Whenever someone evilly question the plain word of God, he invites serpent to interpret that word twisting to let that men feel free to act contrary. Then the man will not obey that word saying does not meaning so. In this truck many are deceived to be lead astray from the truth written.
1Timothy 2:12 is addressing husband and wife/ couple.
That's why Abraham and Sara were given as example because they are couple.
It is said that Sarah was submissive to the lordship of Abraham being her husband.
So therefore the husband should be head over the wife as couple.
No, sometimes the wife has the truth of what God
wants before the husband does.
...whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her...
Therefore she said to Abraham, “Drive out this slave woman and her son, for the son of this slave woman shall not be an heir with my son Isaac!” The matter distressed Abraham greatly because of his son Ishmael. But God said to Abraham, “Do not be distressed because of the boy and your slave woman; whatever Sarah tells you, listen to her, for through Isaac your descendants shall be named.
-excerpt Genesis 21
A woman carried the word for 9months
Just as the UPC is heretical on so many things they are heretical on this
“This is a true saying, If a MAN desire the office of a bishop, HE desireth a good work.”
1 Timothy 3:1 KJV
“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”
1 Timothy 2:11-14 KJV
So how could there be a woman judge by God's will?
To not accept a judge's decision resulted in execution, according
to Deuteronomy 17.
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.”
2 Timothy 4:3-5 KJV
We were already warned about this type of false teaching and why it would happen. His ministry is not full proof after what we’ve just heard. It is time for all members of the UPCI who know this is false to speak out that we do not accept this and it does not represent us. The church has the authority when two or more are witnesses to this type of sin. We have hundreds if not thousands of witnesses from this video.
Despite the times and modern day practices, the Bible says what it means and means what it says. There is another scripture about why; because Adam wasn't deceived but the woman was. Many false religions were started by women. My mother, after becoming a new Christian, forsook the church she went to and went to a woman who had a church in her home with a false doctrine. She never came back to sound doctrine. I am disappointed in this preacher and, though I have listened to him in the past, I won't anymore. He has , like so many, compromised the Word of God.
14:22 This is stuff i have believed since the beginning. This guy has put it all into words.
10:20 you say Tryphena and Tryphosa were called coworkers in the gospel and claim this proves they were teachers and preachers in positions of authority over men of the church. I disagree. Romans 16:12 BSB Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, women who have worked hard in the Lord. --- where does this verse say that these two women were teachers, preachers, pastors, or apostles? It just says they worked hard in the Lord. So to claim that this verse proves women can be the leaders of a church is beyond ridiculous. EXTREMELY poor example.
Paul uses the same kind of language about people such as Timothy, Silas and others.
A careful review of the Epistles, particularly to openings and closings, would help you see what has always been there.
He has to go with this teaching because his mom was a "preacher." He'd have to eat a lot of false teaching if he didn't teach this.
Only a prideful, and, ego and, macho minded man would argue about a woman being in the pulpit. In the kingdom there is neither male or female. we are all one in God even as the Jew and Gentile.
Galatians 3:28 & 29 ...
Absolutely on target!
Thank you for pointing this out.
In the Pentecostal Assemblies of the World & in the Pentecostal Churches of the Apostolic Faith we have women pastor's, Dist. Elders, and women Bishops.
A woman can't be an elder or apostle those are men titles
Bro. Bernards argument on 1 Timothy 2 and others is eisegesis of the highest order sadly. Yes women can pray, teach, minister and prophecy within the context given. No positive teaching of womens ability to do to the level Bro. Bernard asserts. Also his historical arguments exemplifies cherry picking at its best. His argument to Pentecostal movement and other non Catholic movements can be easily used against him. The argument the reason why women dont play a dominate role is because of the very reason Paul tells Timothy and Bernard lists in new movements. So literary the point of weak in mind men magnified with teaching of women points directly to apostasy in Eve and new movements. Adam was weak to do by listening to Eve. So many issues in his argument. Some good points as well but a lot of open ended assertions not directly taught in scripture of which you would expect to be taught considering the historical role of women and they are not. Comment section is really not the place to argue in depth.
I haven't watched the video. I believe all this goes back to Deborah.
The Judges were pastors/shepherds. A Judge could execute a man
for his sin. Essay read time: 12 minutes postable and free
So Paul was speaking from himself and not of the Spirit when he say woman should not preach?
Paul was quoting some members of the Corinthian church in chapter 14:34-35. Paul proceeded to rebuke them in verse 36.
Solid analysis and conclusion. I appreciate your commitment to ministry.
In regard to Romans 16:7, around the 10 minute 10 second mark of this video, in reference to the two people mentioned in this verse, which brother Bernard says one was a woman, brother Bernard says that the scripture teaches they were “notable apostles.” Brother Bernard is in error regarding this matter. The King James version of this particular scripture says, “…who are of note among the apostles.” The scripture does not say as he claims, that they were notable apostles. Read it for yourself in the KJV. In the NIV version it states, that they were “outstanding among the apostles.” In the amplified Bible the scripture reads as, “held in high esteem among the apostles.” In the new living translation it reads this way, “they are highly respected among the apostles.” There is no scripture from Matthew to Revelation that states any woman was an apostle. What brother Bernard has done with Romans 16:7 is to try to make it say something that it does not say. Even commentators on this scripture bring out the facts that this scripture is referring to these two individuals as being held in high esteem, or respect, among the apostles. They were not apostles and we should not be changing the scripture to fit what we may believe in regard to women in ministry.
His analysis is full of flaws, his conclusion is based on wrong premises.
It does seem like he is running the scripture through a contemporary filter
@@jg7857 also it refers to them as kinsmen, meaning men. The Bible uses kinswoman when referring to females like in the scripture below
Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; And call understanding thy kinswoman:
Proverbs 7:4 KJV
NORMAL people type Bible Criticism online and discover that the Holy Bible is complete fiction. How educated are you, Rube?
He's adding to the scripture.
Where can you elaborate
Yes we are taking about a lot of woman esther she reached to the children of Israel to fast for the answer from the king in exìle
It’s not adding or taking it’s misinterpreted and also hitting so many different topics. This is wrong… it is written
The part about the husband of one wife seals the deal, but yet he added his commentary trying to explain that away.
@@bus10dus10 You obviously missed his point.
Denominations allows, but the one true church never
🤔🤔
Apostle Paul is reminding us how Satan DECEIVED Eve away fro the Word of God...
DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE PLZ.
2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1 Timothy 2
None of these women were Pastor's or Preacher's. How is the man going to be head of their homes and under their wives at the same time?
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of that time period according to scripture. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
@@8784-l3b Those were women in the Old Testament. The scriptures that were being discussed were in the Epistles (letters to the Church) is where there is strict instructions for women in the Church. I'm not going to debate it. I'm just saying it's written in plain English for everyone to understand. The problem I see, is that the men of the Church have abandoned their roles as the spiritual leaders of their families. I understand why the women have to step up. I just don't think that it's God's will according to what I read.
@@8784-l3bshe was not a pastor..the devil is a liar. Judge is an occupation. No scripture supports women preaching and teaching men.
@@mr.renaissancemts
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
@@8784-l3b again,..what scripture do you have that supports women preaching because I have some that's it is not permitted. Did Mary preach to the apostles when telling them to meet Jesus?
Greetings, Dr. Bernard makes a great, which is the most important point about the prophetess…Note that God did not focus on her gender but rather her gift or anointing, which incidentally, flows from vessels!!! Not genders…Jesus, “when the Spirit of TRUTH comes, HE, will lead…so, yes, the Holy Spirit uses women too🎉
You got itchy ears and want to believe a lie
2 Timothy 4: 3-4 The time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
¡This is very important! we have to make sure that all our brothers and sisters knows the truth, filled with the Holy Spirit, baptized in the name of Jesus so that they can teach,
Especially women, they have to be submitted to their husbands, fathers and pastor. not only women also men have to be submitted to God.
The apostol Paul warns and uses the example of Eve and Adan. Eve paid attention to the serpent. If the woman is not submitted to her husband, to her pastor or to God that woman is open to the voice of evil.
Now, I personal trust my pastor’s wife and also other women of God because I know that they are submitted to their husbands and Pastor. they know the truth, filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in Jesus name.
I don’t have problem listen to the word of God through them.