Cultish: Pentecostal Holiness, The UPCI, & William Branham
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- In this episode, Jeremiah and Andrew interviewed a few different individuals who had recently left intensely legalistic cults. You do not want to miss this episode to get a stunning look at how the grace of God transformed the lives of these individuals.
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Hope you all enjoy our latest episode! We’re hoping to get three extended interviews with all three guests in the near future! 😊
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 No
@@TheCultishShow We have to be water baptized to be saved (Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:26 and Romans 6:3-4 and Galatians 3:27 and Colossians 2:12 and 1 Peter 3:21).
I LOVED this!!! I’m living this very thing (referring to 1st guest ) right now alongside my teen daughter. Thank you for this!!
That sad Not all apostolic churches are cultish It's true that we have to walk in the freedom of grace But grace is not a reason to live any in which way we Want .
Although all trinitarian religions are occult. The doctrine of God is one and not 3
@@wjdyr6261My brother, you dont understand the Word.
@@THENARRATIVTestimonies perhaps you can explain it all. I'm waiting
just like the young lady said, you both are right, God's grace gives us freedom but not the reason to live however we want. Also, I agree not apostolic churches have cult-like behavior. Cults can be religion-based, not all, but the behaviors are similar to clicks. It is like wasp hive, popularity, and influences of charismatic leaders. Be careful of your leaders and pray they are following the word of God.
God bless you
I had a very similar experience as the second guest. Very thankful God brought us out, and we continue to search the scriptures something we didn't do so much before. 🙏
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
I identified as Apostolic for 38 years. Now I identity as a Christian.
For years I didn’t understand why Apostolics believe what they do- baptism saves, women have to look ugly to be saved (no makeup, extra long hair), beards, denying the triune nature of God, etc.
Getting re-baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit tonight according to Jesus in Matthew 29:19.
I don’t believe the apostolic church is a cult. I think if they genuine relationship with Christ, they are saved. I also think they do a lot of things right. I think some nondenominational churches have a casual attitude towards Christ. While I don’t believe women must wear long skirts only, I do see a lot of women in the non-denominational church that dress very inappropriately. I think both churches can learn from each other and not be against each other.
As an observer, I've gained a unique understanding of the Oneness Pentecostal perspective on the Trinity. This distinctive interpretation, deeply rooted in the belief in God's oneness, boldly proclaims the absence of a trinity. Instead, it presents God as a singular entity with diverse manifestations or roles. This intriguing contrast to the traditional Christian belief in the Trinity, which views God as three distinct persons in one being, sparks a lively engagement of thought and perspective.
It's crucial to note that God, in the beginning, did not have a son or daughter. This fact is underscored by the LORD Himself in Isaiah 44:6, where He identifies Himself as the preeminent deity, stating, 'I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me, there is no God.' This declaration is further emphasized in Isaiah 45:5-6, which proclaims, 'I am the LORD, and there is none else; there is no God beside me.'
When God decided to make man, He said, 'Let us make man in our image and likeness.
When considering who God was speaking to, the angels, often called the Heavenly Host, are strong contenders. Most Christians try to understand that three bear witness and have a misunderstanding, thinking there are three heads in God's head. This needs to be clarified for the scriptures.
Rabbi Tovia Singer is not a Christian but explains in the Hebrew Bible that there is no Trinity. On youtube th-cam.com/video/WVgfr_UhXWo/w-d-xo.html
It is OK to be Baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost or in the Name of Jesus Christ. Acts 2 records the Apostle Peter preaching to the crowds on the day of Pentecost to "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission (or forgiveness) of sins" (Acts 2:38). Other detailed records of baptisms in Acts show the first apostles baptizing in the name of Jesus.
I'm happy for you came away from that movement Apastolic movement. I regret my Baptisims water/spirit bc I didn't know that church was a pentecostal church. I feel so angry they took advantage of me in this way. I was told i needed to be baptised and they someone found that church for me. I was really young at the time didn't read anything about the church website. Their building isn't clear on what they believe also. I'm Constantly thinking what I end up in a strange heaven because of this cult Baptisims. I'm so angry and hurt. I have OCD with it also. Not knowing what to do to get a Catholic priest to baptise me as I grew up Catholic.
@@missy8347 i'm confused by your post. The scriptures show us the only baptism ever used by the new testament church was in the name of Jesus Christ...Acts 2, 8, 10, 19, 22. The catholic church baptizes infants which definitely isn't in the bible and by sprinkling which also is not. If you had a bad experience, I understand, but being baptized in water according to what is written in the scriptures, and truth....that is nothing to regret. Our obedience is to the scriptures not to a church or denomination.
Whatever other things we may agree on or not, to call women ugly simply for not wearing makeup or cutting their hair is just extremely asinine.
I literally went through the same thing with my last church that Leo went through … exactly the same smh hurt … and literally everybody just thinking I’m crazy , something is happening and even my own family thinking I think I’m better but really just was studying and trying to learn the truth…. This has really done a Number on me and separated me lot … the city I’m in has majority another gospel. I literally sat down and went through every church in my city and see what they believed listen to their sermons and I’ve only found one that is teaching the gospel for real. The church though is Very out of my culture only one of my race , extremely different and isolating but I rather know the truth … the lord knows what he is doing and he will Guide his sheep to know the truth. Just wanted to express that his story was my story and I pray that soon my city will have something like this conference and spaces where truth can be found.
amazing, I feel very alone, and in my vulnerability, i felt as if taken advantage of. I admire your determination, and trust God will open doors. Pray for me aswell. God bless
“You’re only allowed to study certain things.”
This dude is straight up lying about the UPCI. You can disagree with theology without being dishonest.
It's not dishonest. My family's UPCI pastor does not allow his congregation to read non apostolic literature. It is you who is being dishonest or possibly naive to your denominations beliefs. Could it be that your individual UPCI church is not as 'extreme' as the rest?
@@beequeen626 just because some UPCI or independent ones are legalistic or have overbearing leaders doesn't mean they all do
The church I go to is not like this infact one of our studies is from a non apostolic preacher. I guess some pastors advocate that but not mine. My pastor and I just the other day where studying some Trinitarian doctine. Understanding both arguments so we can discuss theology with others. Yeah some pastors are major strict, for whatever reason.
Good episode! Please pray that my family in the UPCI will become saved and follow the true Christ.
I'm praying for your family 🙏 please also pray for my family in UPCI
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
Why do you think the UPCI members don't follow the true Christ ?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000The Bible says we need to be baptized as followers of Christ.
However we are saved when we are born from above which happens when we put our faith in Christ.
Water baptism comes after faith.
Acts 10:44
While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.
Acts 10:47
"Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."
Receiving the Holy Spirit does not require water baptism but those who come to faith should be baptized.
@krisztianpatay9812 They are modalist. They believe the Father became the Son and then the Son became the Holy Spirit. They vehemently deny the trinity, in so doing they do not believe or acknowledge the existence of the Father in present times. They don't believe that Jesus has existed for all eternity; instead, they believe that Jesus was just a plan in the Father's mind. I would also add that they teach that you must speak in tongues to be saved. Which goes against scripture, Paul says in 1 Corinthians that not everyone will speak in tongues.
John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
Colossians 1:17: And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist
Does the Bible say that you must be baptized “every one of you” in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins?Not one example of the Trinitarian “formula” of baptism can be found in your Bible. See Acts 2, 8,10, 16 etc.
AMEN. They want to pick and choose what they obey and stick to their man-made trinitarian “doctrine.” They haven’t left the catholic church.
Do you not see the father, son and Holy Spirit in Acts 2:38-39?
Does that not align with 2 Cor 13:14 and/or Matthew 28:19?
Genesis 1:26, Genesis 3:22; and even at Babel in Genesis 11:7 the triune God existed long before Roman Catholicism. Perhaps reading, researching as the Bereans and praying a little more like Christians would help a little? 🙏🏾
Many of us have not only had Jesus Christ come to us but had open visions before ever being baptized in the holy Ghost lol kinda throws a wrench in your false theology don't it @@jimmdavis8197
@@jimmdavis8197and just for good measure he drank wine to and many of us have seen him he had shoulder length hair have fun in your cult hed hate a suit n tie 😆
PLEASE do a follow up with Jennifer. I'm involved with a huge chronic illness support group online, and so many of them have "deconstructed" over it. We need to hear the details of how and why she came back to Christ through all of that! 🙏
This woman has nothing to do with Jesus, nor with the Bibles Christianity. She is completely lost and outside the kingdom of God.
I grew up apostolic oneness holiness church. I heard sermons on the "3 headed god/3 gods". Works salvation, strict clothing requirmenets, no tv's (ironically these ppl have internet/social media) lose of salvation, water baptist is required for salvation. Must speak in tongues as evidence of salvation. I never spoke in tongues, and the weight of it all was too much for me to bear. So i ran away out into the world. I felt free and happy. Then God put me in a sick bed for 6 years. I wanted to die. Long story, but God saved me 10 years ago.
Where are you now?
It's a beautiful thing that you guy's are opening peoples eyes to some of these outlandish denominations, God bless you 🙏 keep up the good work 😇👍
What you do not understand is their denomination is just as apostate as are all the others. They are nothing more than satan casting out satan.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 no you don't, I was baptized as an infant, my parents were Catholic, I went to church and nothing came out of it, I didn't find God until I was 68, that's a lot of sinning, but God found me, I was born again, baptized by the father with the Holy Spirit, and Jesus speaks of that, after John the Baptist who baptized by water, Jesus came, and he who believes in the Son, will be baptized by the Spirit
@@BrklnBrn A person has to be water baptized to be saved (Acts 2:38).
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 KJV Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Nothing about water, sorry my friend.
Calvinism is cultish !
Great show! Just coming out of the upc myself. So helpful! I hope I can go to the conference next year.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
@@awatchman-um7vy what are you talking about!?!?
@@Purpl_SoggyBiscuits ,...This unsaved, totally blind, lost, and deceived person posted this same comment around 25-50 times.
He asks this question as if he does not know the answer (and he actually doesn't) but he thinks he does. I corrected he error countless times but he still posted the same question over and over. He is not concerned with what the answer is, he is just selling his 100% counterfeit (antichrist) gospel/christianity.
My biological father and his wife are pentecostalist's and I was just wondering if I should share this video with them, or how do I talk to them about their involvement in a cult in loveing manner?
My advice would be, don't share this video, just speaking from my personal experience. My family have been in a cult for 8 years and there are things I wish I would have done differently in the past. If you share things like this, they are probably not going to watch it. And it will shut doors to communication in the future. It's better to ask seemingly innocent questions in person, and don't press too hard. The point is to ask the question and hopefully get them thinking on their own. I will pray for your family 🙏 please pray for mine.
@@beequeen626 ok I won't share it. Also I can't talk to them in person because they live in a different state but I can talk to them on the phone. Thank you very much for your advice and I will definitely pray for your family as well God bless you and thank you 🙏
@godswarrior45 I hope God will open their eyes to the truth. It's so hard knowing those you love are unsaved, it's all I can think about most of the time. I hope my advice helps you, but everyone is different and you know them best. I pray that the Lord guides all your interactions with them ❤
@@beequeen626 your advice has helped thank you very much. I pray that God would open up your family's eyes to the truth also, God bless you and your family
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
I am a Oneness Pentecostal who has grown up in the United Pentecostal Church in Kentucky and currently serve as a Youth Pastor. I don’t think that our official teachings around holiness of life are actually works based- there are many people who have taught holiness incorrectly. I assure you that the heart of living a holy life empowered by the Holy Spirit with dependence on Christ is being emphasized by people like our General Superintendent David Bernard as well the Dean of Biblical Studies at the Bible college I attended.
We emphasize the power of the Holy Ghost to change people. We emphasize the conviction and transformation of the Holy Ghost. We believe in the fruit of the Spirit. We do teach obeying biblical commands regarding dress style, hair, speech, attitude, where we go for entertainment etc. We do believe in applying biblical principles of righteousness. Why? To protect against the brokenness of the world.
It has to be rooted in dependence on Jesus to transform us, His Spirit convicting us.
We are definitely also distinct from the other movements mentioned in the title of this video. We would have fundamental disagreements with them.
I also have an extreme since of grief for those who have been taught holiness in a legalistic way. I believe legalism is another gospel. We reject legalism in the writing and required reading for ministers. We also quoted and read non-Apostolic books and resources in Bible College and had access to a library with Calvin’s commentaries, the Encyclopedia Brittanica, hundreds of other resources for research as well. We were encouraged to ask questions.
Also, the no beards issue is something even the elders didn’t apply to constituents outside the United States/ the West. It was to not associate with the hippie movement. It has never been an official requirement from the organization. Individual pastors set standards for their local leadership.
Also, I have no idea what he’s talking about when he mentioned levels of Hell- but that may be what that Pastor believes individually. It sounds like that Pastor is completely out of order. I would want his presbyter contacted to correct that kind of behavior.
@@joshuapearson9950 ,...It means nothing stating all the things you claim your Godless cult believes in. The fact is, petecostalism has nothing whatsoever to do with the God, the Jesus, the gospel, nor the Christianity of the Bible. It is just another false manmade Godless religion of the accursed of God. It is everything the Bible warns us not to be deceived by.
Well said brother. 👍
The problem is the heresy of modalism, and the works based salvation doctrine of acts 2:38. Not so much the “holiness” that’s just another form of control within the movement
Living for Christ isn't about what you desire. It is a dying to self daily. There is zero spiritual discernment in this talk.
Jude 1:4
[4]For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Must Christain buy into the heresy of the Trinity? We are all saved by accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, not by our works. Read Isaiah 42:8: "I alone am the Lord your God. No other god may share my glory; I will not let idols share my praise." Next, read Isaiah 45:5: "I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me, there is no God."
Context is everything. And in word usage - you are saying one thing - and by your context … perhaps you have created a heresy of something that is not heretical. Perhaps you were indoctrinated into believing something incorrectly … by someone with a biased platform. The same scriptures you use to thwart the Dogma of the Holy Trinity - are used in the definition and context and defense of the Trinity. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. One in Essence AND Undivided. Read the Nicean Constantinople Creed to validate your understanding of the Trinity - and see if you are misrepresenting the Teachings and Traditions of the Church… I’m a former Oneness Pentecostal - and I discovered what is said of the Trinity in the UPCI - isn’t what is said and believed on in Holy Orthodoxy. Lovingly, Cuthbert.
We all are never dieing souls having a human experience.we all return to god .jesus knew this.we are all apart of god.the kingdom of god is within you.we need to stop looking outside for the answers that's why all the confusion and arguments.
What do you mean, we all return to God? Are you saying that everyone is saved? That it is not only the few who Jesus came to save that will return to God?
God is unconditional love from all the people that have died and come back to tell us.
The devil is a liar
The independent pentecostal church messed up my theology so much. 30 years later still running the personal script that we are saved by Grace.
What's the theology disconnect then?
Excellent.
Modalism is a strawman argument. The trinity is pagan and man-made doctrine
Tertullians writing on Woman’s Apparel and his other one,”On Modesty”, would go against these ideas. I wonder if these people know that they are being interviewed by a ministry that believes in Theonomy. At least their interpretation of it ,minus the tattoo thing.
Tertullian was also a trinitarian who made fun of fat people something the upci full of
Nothing more cultish than the democrattt party
Straight up truth. We don't call it the "Demoncrat" party for nothing!
The great awakening and the great reset are both Satanic.
There is nothing more cultish and apostate than is everything that claims to be Christianity.
@@forthosewithearstohear6219 There are indeed still true Christians in the world.
@@stevenlindsey2056 ,...Yes, there are a few Christians in the world, but they are not found in any church. If anyone is in, a part of, agrees with, etc. any church/denomination, they are not a Christian.
grew up united Pentecostal, don’t think I’ve had any beliefs I was taught that’s really antithetical to what I know now. Big issues I had were the fact I always felt like an outsider as a child, everyone must speak in tongues to be saved, and the legalism about men not wearing shorts ever. There’d be girls wearing skirts at the knee but I couldn’t wear shorts below my knee in public 😂
I’m not in the UPCI, but I’m very well acquainted with the UPCI. I’m actually a part of the apostolic assembly, which is a Hispanic Oneness organization that holds basically the same standards. I really do feel sorry for my brother that left the UPC, but I don’t believe it reflects the type of counsel he should have received. I am fully committed to this faith, and I believe it was all my heart, and I think it was just grossly misrepresented. Some simple rebuttal, but I think are necessary, David Bernard is highly esteemed because he has been at the front line of modern Oneness theology, however, he is not the only individual we turned to for our theology. There are other theologians that are just not well known. Also, regarding beards, we don’t believe it’s a sin. I think it could be regarding more as a cultural preference rather than a biblical doctrine I think it’s unfair to point to all the apostolic movement, and simply write them off, as if they all hold the same view. Regarding the baptism of the Holy Ghost, I think it is such a misrepresentation to say that tongues are the issue according to the New Testament in the book of acts every account of Spirit baptism, we see that everyone received the Holy Ghost with the evidence so tongues is not the point simply the evidence. I think any other interpretation is not biblical. It’s eisegesis rather than using the proper exegetical interpretation of scripture. Plus, I would ask, if you’ve never received the baptism of the Holy Ghost according to the book of acts, how do you even have any say something you’ve never experienced. Now regarding water baptism, it is so simple according to the scriptures that one must be baptizing Jesus name. To say in the authority of is absolute nonsense and subtle deception to justified the trinitarian formula, which is only found in one of the gospels. God is not the author of confusion and everybody in the book of acts baptized, in the name of Jesus or Jesus Christ. Why is that so hard to accept. Of course justification is by faith but we respond to faith by calling on the name of the Lord to have our sins remitted according to the scriptures. The book of acts and Peter says that this baptism saves. To write water baptism off as some type of unnecessary water immersion again, is contrary to the Word of God (John 3:5, Acts 2:38). Lastly, Oneness theology is so simple to understand. We simply believe that the one God was made flesh, and when He died (the man not God) and resurrected, came back to us as the Holy Ghost, according to John 14 and so many other scriptures, I can mention. Before making an argument on John 14 please read all the chapter. The whole chapter absolutely Establishes the Oneness view of the Godhead and the One explaining it was the Lord Himself, not one of 3 Lords of an unbiblical trinity which is nothing but heretical Catholic theology that was invented contrary to the teachings of both OT and NT theology. So much more to say but is a simple rebuttal to what was said.
The fact is, you are not a Christian, do not understand the Bible, and are snared into a 100% Godless cult. Repent!
You ARE in a cult that is completely unbiblical! Wake up!!!!
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ”There is also an antitype which now saves us-baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,“
I Peter 3:21 NKJV
@@alexandrovidrio7016 Is that a yes?
Nothing says sound biblical teaching like the anti-White White preacher Matt Chandler 🤦🏻♂️
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
Apologia broadcast called Cultish, hmm!😂
Calvinists are more cultic.. esp this lame podcast
They still believe in the blood of Jesus that washes away their sin!
They worship a different Jesus.
The blood of Jesus plus proper baptism in Jesus name and speaking in tongues, plus not wearing pants, plus all the other standards they have added for salvation. They have a different gospel. 😢
It doesn't matter what they say they believe. The fact is, pentecostalism has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christianity of the Bible.
@@forthosewithearstohear6219amen!
And how is this wrong?
There is only one head in God's head: God the Father. Read John 14:8-18 Amplified Bible (AMP)
Philip told Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and then we will be satisfied.” Jesus told him, “Have I been with you for so long, and you do not know Me yet, Philip, nor recognize clearly who I am? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father.
Then there’s that other verse that says, the “the Head of Christ is God…” and speaks of folks not holding the Head in its properly place. Theos - theote… Deus - Divinitas…. God and godhead. (Greek, Latin, English). One God and godhead. Father. Son. Holy Spirit. Ego eimi, Logos, Pneumos… Yahweh Elohim - davar Yahweh, Ruach Yahweh.
Jesus Christ is certainly fully God… he is also fully Man…. But. The Scriptures do not read as Oneness Pentecostals often try to assert they do… No Orthodox Jew would say the davar Yahweh and the Ruach Yahweh is the same as Yahweh Elohim, but He has never been without them and are One with Him.
@@realmccoy124 As an observer, I've come to understand that the Oneness Pentecostal perspective on the Trinity is a unique interpretation that some find compelling. This perspective, rooted in the belief in the oneness of God, asserts that there is no trinity. And the Jewish Rabbis who were taught the Torah and the Tanakh know that only God the Father is the True God.
You are correct when you say No Orthodox Jew would say the davar Yahweh and the Ruach Yahweh are the same as Yahweh Elohim.
The Hebrew ruach means “wind,” “breath,” or “spirit.” However, Yeshua implied that he was Elohim. Because of this, the Jews who Loved Yeshua wanted to stone him for blasphemies. They understood Christ indicated He was God the Father in a Human Body.
However, it's important to note that God initially had no son or daughter. In Isaiah 44:6, the LORD identifies Himself as the preeminent deity, declaring, 'I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me, there is no God.' This is reiterated in Isaiah 45:5-6, which states, 'I am the LORD, and there is none else; there is no God beside me.'
When God decided to make man, He said, 'Let us make man in our image and likeness.' According to the Oneness Pentecostal perspective, this statement does not imply the existence of a Trinity but rather reflects God's divine nature. God the Father had no son or other gods besides Him. Thus, no other deity exists alongside God in the creation narrative.
During creation, when God decided to make man, He said let us make man Genesis 1:26
When considering who God was speaking to, the angels, often called the Heavenly Host, are strong contenders. Most Christians try to understand that three bear witness and have a misunderstanding, thinking there are three heads in God's head. This needs to be clarified for the scriptures.
Rabbi Tovia Singer is not a Christian but explains in the Hebrew Bible that there is no Trinity. On youtube th-cam.com/video/WVgfr_UhXWo/w-d-xo.html
The Trinity is not in the Bible. I believe that Jesus was God in a human Body.
Colossians 1:16: "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him."
Anything seems “cultish” that’s separate from the world
Ok I get it why not talk about some charismatic beliefs . It seems as if you guys looked for the worst examples you could find. This interview is not fair and balanced. Any church denomination can go astray from the Word of God. This is a lazy podcast.
This is not an accurate representation of all churches. UPCI is also not a trinity organization. We don't feel like bad things happen when you do something wrong. I cant even imagine a church telling someone that. Following God shouldn't be hard work, if it is hard then you are doing something wrong. I don't feel like it is wrong to have an opinion, but please don't represent an entire group when this is not accurate!
Sometimes people who leave the UPCI don't leave the doctrine of God or God in general. Some leave it all and backside or become reprobate
I loved this. A full, individual episode for each guest would be awesome!
This is going to hit home. Thanks. :)
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
I'm a Oneness Pentecostal. However I do not believe in the legalism in our movement. I may get labeled a heretic or be called a non Christian, but I do believe in baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I believe in One God, and I believe in tongues. I'm more open to sharing with those who are from different denominational backgrounds, or non denominational. There's been a great deal of exposure going on in the UPCI specifically in terms of sexual crimes and spiritual abuse. Although I believe in Oneness view and attend a Oneness church, I am not blind to the fact that there is a lot of bad stuff going in the UPCI. It can be hard at times hearing conversations like this because I am in fact a Oneness Pentecostal. However I appreciate the honesty and the desire to combat false teachings and doctrine. I am not a theologian or anything any you guys could preach circles around me. But I hope y'all don't call me a heretic. I'm convinced that Trinitarians are filled with the Holy Spirit and are lead by Christ just as we Oneness people are. To the lady's point on modesty, she's right to an extent. I've seen several men and women take it too far and they wear new suits and dresses every Sunday. I do believe in modesty but I don't believe in drawing the wrong attention to yourself. To any Oneness people who see my post, I don't care if you get offended at me. These folks are sharing their concerns and their thoughts based on the experience of the lady in the interview. Don't rip into these people because they call out our legalistic ways. I hope I haven't offended any Trinitarians and I hope what I have shared doesn't make you feel like I'm a bad person. Just wanted to share that there are some good and well meaningful Oneness Pentecostal people out there. Just give us a chance. Yall take care, God bless.
Same as you brother
One guy challenged centuries of work from the apostles first then the church fathers on the trinity, why go along with Andrew David Urshan who created oneness Pentecostalism over Paul, Augustine, Calvin, etc? Not being hostile I just want to understand. I have heard oneness Pentecostals also challenge Paul’s writings
You’re mistaken about your view of God man.
I appreciate your post! I agree with you
Thank you very much for your wonderful, balanced and gracious comment. That's truly the Holy Spirit speaking through you.
Blessings from the Netherlands.
This hit home, I grew up UPC and God was so patient with me and it took me years to unravel all of the lies of my old church that was completely unbiblical. Thank you Jesus !🙏 thank you so much for this video!!!! God bless!
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
What were the lies?
I’m not a Pentecostal but I think women should cover their bodies in a modest manner. Even covering the shoulders is not “cult like” but just common sense.
Correct, this woman was never a Christian and she still is not a Christian.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
It is sad that these men are found flattering this woman in her immodesty, and exalting her sinful desire to be immodest as “the true freedom of the true gospel ??
It seems as if she is fleeing one form of darkness, yet running into the arms of the blind!
Let it been known, any father who has a daughter will soon learn that house rules concerning modesty must be given unto all, yet unless it enters the heart, all is vain….
Thus Jesus said getting the outside of the cup clean is good, yet getting the inside of the cup clean is the primary burden of God..yet until then keep the outside clean…
Concerning the blind leaders of the blind it is written ….
“While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption”
(2 Peter 2:19)
@@hadeswhereisyourvictory ,....The truth is, these guys are just the blind leading the blind. This ungodly woman has only gone from one fake christianity right into another fake christianbity.
Recently left a oneness Pentecostal church because I noticed their teachings and standards made no sense. My final straw was when they told me Jesus wasn’t praying to the Father in the garden, He was simply showing us HOW to pray, teaching us the false doctrine of Modalism.
If you have anything to do with any church you are still completely steeped in deception.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
Jesus was God in the Flesh. In his human condition he prayed to the Father (The eternal Spirit). I pray that God leads you into all truth.
You lost the battle then.
I currently attend a Pentecostal Holiness Church in NC. I've never had any experience like these people are saying. I'm not downplaying their experience, but please don't judge the whole group by what you hear here.
Where I attend, women wear makeup and jewelry, no one blames people for getting sick, and while praying in tongues is encouraged, it is not mandated by any means.
Exactly! I grew up in the IPHC and it is nothing like the church that Jennifer described.
I cannot believe people have not covered the worldwide pentecostal fellowship. The split to be stricter and are absolutely more controlling
i was hoping for more Branham talk. i know people from AZ that are in this and its a weird position.
Why do ppl keep saying works as if it’s bad to live holy? The problem is ppl have a love for the things of the world and you can’t have those things when you over in holiness, and why ppl try to make holiness seem cultish because it has a standard, as if God has not called us unto holiness? This is the will of God. As he which had called you IS Holy so be ye Holy!!!! 1Peter 1:15
This is mostly nonsense!
Correct. There are no Christians in this video.
Yes cultish- Calvinism and the eisegetical once saved always saved nonsense.
Can you guys finally do a series on IHOPKC and Mike Bickle?
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000wait baptism saves? Dude havent you heard of the thief on the cross!?
@@awatchman-um7vy you have to be water baptized to be saved (acts 2:38).
@@PurePuritan you have to be water baptized to be saved (acts 2:38). the malefactor who was crucified beside jesus did not have to be water baptized to be saved because water baptism in jesus’s name was not preached until pentecost.
Is trinity a cult..based on Pagan Trinity Gods of Romans, , Greek, Egyptian.
This...Apologia group has video of their leader smoking a cigar while preaching. Another at a pro life gathering encourages the people to drink beer and pray. These...are the cultists. Not holiness preachers.
I don't know where this guy went to church but that's a terrible mischaracterization of the upci as a whole. Criticize your church but don't criticize mine. Mine is nothing like that and I've never had any of these experiences he's talking about.
Idk if anyone else caught this but the brother said sam perkins around 28:13 he meant rodger perkins. Sam perkins was a forward in the nba back in the day lol 😆
The upc has never established a doctrine conderning being clean shaven, that is somthing specific pastors would implement
I left the UPCI because Jesus prophesied about them. They worship me in vain with their lips and their hearts are far from me
the imho serious issue with the "holiness" church movement seems to be the thought that if you sin you can/ may/ do lose your salvation and have to repent and get saved again. This puts an impossible and very discouraging burden on believers, leading many to fall away from the faith.
The Bible says God will bless those who bless the church and curse those who curse the true church started on the day of Pentecost.
Since leaving UPC I feel like I can be honest with myself and God about everything instead of trying to reach perfection with all the standards they impose on the women. I have felt God deliver me out of strongholds in my mind and show me his grace to get back up it’s not because of what I do but what He does and how He helps all the Glory to the most high. I now understand that there is nothing good in me and my works will not save me.
So I came across the meaning of Pharisees, and it reminded me of the mindset that the young lady experienced, they remind me of what Pharisees are, the keep the law of Moses but add more laws that were never assigned. It's like false doctrine, inspired ideas, and just deluding Jesus Christ. Deluding the salvation , the gospel.
Just to clarify - there is a Pentecostal Holiness denomination (IPHC) that is not like the legalistic one that Jennifer described.
These kind of stuff (UPCI) and plus Benny Hinn combination is common in India. I didn't knew where those unbiblical ideals came from. Now I understand the foundation of this stupidity.
Jerry, I'm pretty sure I have that same shirt. We are pretty much brothers now
Can anyone point me to where I can listen to this conference? Is it on youtube somewhere?
What she said that ante bible,they are in fact bible
Gino Jennings
Quite a few UPCI churches near us, involved in the homeschool groups and pressuring any new person hard to go to their church without telling them what they’re all about. I see some direct interactions with them in the future.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 short answer is no. Better answer is that it is clearly commanded, and therefore if someone refuses it, he shows evidence that he does not belong to Christ.
@@TheBeginningOfWisdom We have to be water baptized to be saved (Acts 2:38).
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
It’s possible they’ve been taught that no one outside of their movement is saved-your own assurance and joy might be a great witness to them.
I left the oneness 2 years ago false teaching
What's false?
0:02 Wow, they are so close to self awareness.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
Greetings from a message believer! We definitely do not worship or sing songs dedicated to Branham. God bless you all.
What is a message believer?
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
@K1raKami
Message churches come in many forms, in part because Branham possessed little doctrinal consistency. Branham left behind churches that are essentially Oneness and would get along well in the UPCI, WPF, ALJC, and PAW, Trinitarian churches that would accuse Oneness believers of heresy, and churches that believe in the divinity or near divinity of Branham himself. Branham himself never quite came out and explicitly stated that he was God, but he certainly heavily implied it. There are contradictory reports as to how far he was actually going because there are some reports that he was going to take down at least some of the more blatant proponents of tgat doctrine when he died in the crash. On the other hand, he was known to have encouraged these men on that path. Most of the worshipers of Branham tend to belong to churches that were influenced by him during the late 1950s to his death. By then, he had been disfellowshipped by most Oneness and Trinitarian Pentecostals and the majority of the Latter Rain/Charismatic movement.
I stopped listening to Cultish Podcast because you stop the discussion in the middle to make $$
The fact is, apologia has nothing to do with the Christianity of the Bible. They sell the Godless worlds religion of scientism and call it Christianity.
The fact is, there is no one in any church that has an understanding of the scriptures. If anyone did, they would never be involved with ANY church. 7:45 to 8:10
Who has an understanding of the scriptures then? You? Can you define „church“?
@@dartheli7400 ,...The real church is a spiritual church that is made up of the few who Jesus came to save. It is not a physical church. Everything that is a physical church is apostate from God. All real Christians know this, and all fake christians do not and are deceived and snared.
Do you understand that the entire church is made up of people that have never even read the Bible? Have you ever read the Bible from the first page to the last page straight through without stopping? Should take just a few months. Do you know anyone who has ever done this even once?
Before anyone can be a Christian they must understand what it is they are saying they are, and if anyone has not read the Bible from the first page to the last page straight through at least three times they have no idea what it is they are saying they are and claiming to be. The Bible must be read from beginning to end over and over and over to have any understanding of it.
How can anyone be a Christian without having any understanding of what it is they are claiming to be? This is the situation of all the fake christians in all the apostate churches. All the people of the church including all the pastors, preachers, and teachers are completely Biblically illiterate and have no understanding of the Bible. They all only understand the fake christianity the apostate church presents/sells to them.
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
I guarantee you I could quietly, hang out with these guys on this panel for a few days or a week mingle through the crowd and I will find somebody that's kicked somebody out of their group with probably with more religious fervor than the way this brother was kicked out yeah those are people exist in every group controlling and demanding. And by the way I don't know if David Bernard would come on your program but if he did you would really get the beat down and I'm not into UPC and guess what I left the UPC because they were too liberal and they are dropping their standards and by the way I don't know what this brother was talking about with beards but beards are everywhere now in the upci they said I think a couple years ago and even talked about it at Conference and ministers meetings that there were going to drop the moratorium on beards but they said if you had pastors that's against them just kind of honor your pastor or not do it
Bernard would be shutdown quickly by James White and John Macarthur
@@JH324 ,...And JW and JM would quickly be shut down by Jesus and the actual truth of the Bible. Repent!
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
@@JH324 funny
How is this cultish? I truly am interested in why it’s considered cultish when all they do is follow the Bible the Apostolic Movement grew from the Holiness Pentecostals and are the only movement that has not compromised the Bible whatsoever so my question is how is it cultish?
You don’t interpret scripture right! Upci is a cult no doubt all charismatics are!!!!
"... the only movement that has not compromised the Bible whatsoever" That pretty much answers your question. And then also the fact that is isn't biblical.
@@beequeen626so not compromising the Bible is not biblical 🤔 that seems like a bit of a contradiction there
@@beequeen626my question still begs the answer how is it considered cultish? Isn’t denying the power of the Holy Spirit a form of heresy and yet no one questions that doctrine..isn’t it funny how a movement that has not gone against the Written Word gets called legalistic but people who completely change the Bible and live according to doctrines of man are praised by the masses..hmm who else could it be behind this mass deception 🤔
@Azariah.HelpedByYHWH every oneness pentecostal I've spoken to has the same self-righteous attitude that you have now. I want you to know that I love you, and I want you to be saved. You do not want to hear those dreadful words on judgment day: "Depart from me, I never knew you." Evaluate your beliefs. Test everything you've been taught against the Bible. Humbly and honestly ask God to show you the true interpretation of the scriptures and read what other denominations have to say about them. Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. If what you have is absolute truth, it should stand up against the scrutiny of other denominations.
Brother branham is the voice of God
Does the Bible teach that we have to be water baptized to be saved?
@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 ,....Why do you keep asking this question all over this comment section when you already think you know the answer? The fact is, you do not know the answer as your belief is 100% unbiblical in incorrect.
As I have explained to you, water baptism has nothing whatsoever to do with ones salvation. If you were a Christian and were not spiritually dead, blind, and completely Biblically illiterate, you would know this.
Repent and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.
branham was a 100% fake Godless fraud.
That's a lie.