The Best Stealth Build in Payday 3!
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Here's the quick build layout for those who don't want the full run-through:
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Seeing a bunch of comments about other armour types being as fast as the Standard Lining. I did some digging and asked the devs, they’re sure this isn’t the case, although the differences can be quite hard to notice, especially with Rush active.
I feel a world of difference when I have Rush and Swift on with the 1 plate vest compared to even the 2 plate vest.
People are really saying that?
When I go from my stealth build to my loud build I feel like I gained 200 pounds
If their numbers behind the scenes are disagreeing with how they actually feel in gameplay, I can tell you which one needs to change, and it's not just the background numbers. :V
I see you’re doing Gold And Sharke Kknowley.
@@Ariamaki good thing it doesn't actually feel the same
If only the game would let us change loadout names so it'd be easier to have unique builds for each heist.
That, and a couple more loadouts would be nice…
No. You have to comfirm by clicking Y or triangle when selecting another loadout.
@@gilby_6543 it does work, you just have to press the R key (dunno what it is on consoles) to actually switch.
@@gilby_6543 It's "R" on PC. You need to validate the new build you chose, also, you can change skills and change the selected gun but cannot modify the guns.
It will also be good to have a chat in the lobby to ask people if they want to go loud or stealth and adapt.
Learn to read@@harrycake9407
Being able to take-down lead guard with 1 pager seems like an oversight, but that is a really nice option for Dirty Ice cleaning.
It's better to know that the lead guard only leaves the alleyway once you bag any loot.
If you're only looking to clear, my suggestion is unmasked grabbing some loose loot from the front, getting the vault and VIP room open then taking out the 2 patrolling normal guards before bagging and securing enough for 100% all at once.
You only need to secure 4 VIP bags + the rare gem which isn't a problem when the lead guard is the only possible spotter between the VIP room and the back window to the roof.
It absolutely is. I believe it happens because the perk just prevents the pager from going off and decrements the pager counter AKA uses a pager and since the head guards pager never went off the trigger for the repeat calls never activates. Luckily a true fox will require a complete rewrite of the code for the pager or the skill so we have time to enjoy this.
@lilglitchboi7259😂😂
know if it still works? @@Vaderburg
One of the oddly more difficult things for me to get used to is gaurds, not insta dying in stealth. I've accidentally shot a gaurd once forgetting they have actual health now, then just kinda stared at them, confused for a second way more times than i probably should have .
bro really hit us with the "I don't misinform, i just lie" in the first 5 seconds of the video.
At least hes honest😉
Friendly reminder that you could disable the cams without a pager by throwing a bag in front of the cam guy and then picking it up again. He'll still sit there but the cams will be disable for the rest of the heist without a pager. There's a good chance it'll get patch in the future but for now it, take advantage of it while it's here
AND you can throw a knive infront too
@@schultz6622that only works with the knives don't Break Skill right?
That would mak them useless for other distractions
@@musaxsepplord7016yep, which makes it a fun trade off
"There's a good chance it'll get patch in the future but for now it, take advantage of it while it's here" *_This_* is my payday 3 experience. Or just wait until it's finished...
A light correction about Dirty Ice: The lead guard actually doesn't start roaming inside the store at all until you pick up a bag
Personally I invest into ammo bags. Restock the throwing knives almost infinitely. Make guards permanently stuck somewhere in a corner. Take the skills that refill your throwables to full and 20% chance to get them back.
Wait what you throw it in a corner and they stand then there and wait?
2:37 "ribbed for your pleasure grip" AYO? KKNOWLEY??
I kinda hope the "Throwing Knife Exploit" doesn't get fixed. Seems to be a legit strat of diverting attention away from stealth players if you play your cards right.
the throwing knife exploit is the thing with the can guard. using them as lures is intended gameplay
Great video thank you for it. Sometimes motion sensors stop working. I have the feeling that it occurs not randomly but when 2 marked guards with motion sensors get close to each other. My theory is that the MS from guard number 1 spots guard number 2 and it overwrites the marking from the motion sensor which disappear few secs after. I hope it will be resolved soon
One thing about Menacing: it says there can only be one at a time, but that's only in loud. Stealth it doesn't seem to have an upward cap from my experience. Could be a bug.
Actually, It says you can only have one SWAT unit as a hostage, Guards and First responders can all be subdued.
Using the minicams to spy on the junction box symbols is pretty neat, thanks!
Awesome video very Informative.
Honorable mentions would be the ammo bag, top up and frugal thrower for alot of knives.
I personally love signal catch and I bring the skill that makes hostages trade as two for time, in case it goes south. Im not a big fan of takedown.
By the way you can slap a motion sensor into a guard and he'll be permanently marked. Great for keeping tabs on the lead guard when the takedown bug is fixed
not permenantly tho, motion sensor have a lifespan
@@marcksvel from my experience it usually lasts long enough to have gotten the objectives done, at least on No Rest For The Wicked thats the case, havent tested it on the other heists tho
Would be very nice if you made an overall tutorial for each heist in the game
Some say you can make a cloaker jealous of your sneaking skills with this build...
Got that 420th like man feels a bit special you know ;) hahah thanks for the in depth video!!!
Question have you any more stealth builds lined up now that there’s skill sets like transporter now? Also anymore updated loud builds for high difficulties??
dont forget that you can place motion sensors on guards to keep a better eye on them during their duration.
Of course, throwing knives are S-tier stealth gear. I should've known since my throwing knives are still locked despite being level 70.
You can glitch camera guard right now without spending a pager. Mask up, hack his radio and bump into him with a sprint. He will glitch and stay on one place doing nothing. But if he may turn around so don't go in camera room anymore.
Sneaky beaky like.
Maybe a video about weapon stats and how they work and which should be most looked at?
Higher Recoil = Less Recoil. But seeing as there are two types of Recoil (Vertical and Horizontal) I wish it was broken down into two stats instead of universally one.
Handling = weapon swap and reload, again wish it was broken into two instead of just one bar.
Stability = Fuck if I know. Im assuming its the bounce when you are moving like ADS side stepping or in general moving and firing but *shrug* fuck if I know. A hover tooltip would be nice
Damage = fuller bar is higher dmg, though that one is kinda self explained cause its like that in dozens of games.
Fire Rate = unaffected by anything off the top of my head, but how many bullets you fire per second is what it is, fuller bar = faster rate of fire = more bullets per second
Ammo = Magazine size / Ammo reserves. Some magazine mods decrease magazine capacity, some increase reserve capacity, some say they do A and B but actually dont if you look at the numbers instead of the Mod's tooltip.
Personal experience most guns and their mods arnt worth the time, the best mods are usually within the first 10-12 levels. Scopes vary a bit but most of them reduce reload and weapon swap by obscene amounts compared to others so it just comes down to "What kinda dot do I want to look at and which has the least negative impact." for me.
Silencers can break a gun. Some have this fun thing called "- Damage Distance" which reduces your effective range on a gun. Guns do less damage over distance because bullet velocity drops. Most maps this isnt an issue because they are small enough you dont need to care, but if you tack in - Damage Distance from some silencers and other weapon mods, you are kneecapping yourself on distance you can shoot people. CQC barrels are also kneecappers in the Damage Distance area but usually you are putting that on for maps like TTS or DI and RTC also isnt too bad for it.
Guns have different types of recoil. For instance the Scar (VS F or whatever the lv77 gun) for me feels to have a lot of horizontal recoil compared to vertical and even if its 'the best gun in the game' if you cant shoot straight with it cause its kicking all over the place, just go use the SA A144. Yes the Scar 1taps in the face, so does the SA A144 and considering the recoil on the Scar your firing it like a semi-auto anyways, might as well go to old faithful semi auto itself.
Anyways, thats my general take on Weapon mods and the stat bars you see. If im wrong, sorry. Im not a game dev, dataminer or generally smart person im just going off what iv personally experienced as well as my own personal opinions.
Another personal opinion is 900S is near useless. Yes you can Ammo Funnel and Replenish it so as long as you arnt missing domes you never run out of ammo, but the bolt action reload between shots is annoying (Handling Stat effected me thinks) and its not required in any mission as an SA A144, Scar, KU, C4, any pistol, hell even shotguns can kill snipers (Yeah, I was bored on a Road Rage so killed a sniper with the pump action because I could). It is only in the game so people wouldnt go "Why there no snipers besides OVK weapon?" and then they gave it one of the WORST challenges of killing 400 derps from 50m or more away which is impossible on most maps and the easiest way to get it is to run a solo Road Rage Normal, then farm the snipers from the evac safety zone (everything stops spawning except snipers once you jump down the first part, so kill any cloakers charging and farm snipers for the next few hours and read a book or do something else while shooting em). The nearest sniper will enjoy potshooting your bots, so just hope your snipers like spawning at the same time so you can listen for the gun fire from the nearest sniper as an indicator they both respawned. Mine decided to respawn offset of one another and whatever one didnt respawn wouldnt until I killed the active one. Might just be cause its normal, but im not betting the bots can handle Hard with me using a 900S.
Do u use the most recent nvidia drivers
best build of 2023
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I use motion sensor on guards
On the knife one I just throw knifes Infront of me with retriever, so I can pick my knife up and re use it to distract guards.
Ok but if you dont pick it up before the guard realizes its a knife thats been thrown right next to him he'll call in a search...
Very good stealth guide! only thing i would look out for is that Routed Ping says that it "spends" a runtime and not "uses" (what Secure Loop says), which means you won't get your runtime back after activating it. Could be some inconsistent wording, but if not, it is something to note.
edit: i am wrong lol
You do get it back, it's just weirdly worded. Runtime essentially means the amount of cameras you can control at a time with either effect
It would be nice if Overkill took a bit of time to correct inconsistent wording like this. They have other problems to solve, of course...
@@JAOResnik Oh okay, thank you for clarifying. I tried using it in a pub and didn't get it back, so its probably just a bug.
Ah yes, medic bags for the challenges. I wonder when we all look back to the times when armor was the only way to go.
Are you gonna update this soon?
The lead guard seemingly disappeared in the most recent update, replacing the lead modifier with "runtimes are 5 seconds"...
About what I would expect from a video of this format, Kknowley. One thing I like to do is run Microcams on TTS and put one near the stairs and one near the red keycard door, letting me keep tabs on any sneaky guards and ESPECIALLY the lead guard: one thing you should have noted is that the Lead Guard's pathing seems to be random at times, and cannot be fully trusted: a lot of my runs went to hell because the Lead guard would just randomly investigate an area that is otherwise safe, like Mason's bedroom.
One question, though: is the motion sensor infinite? From what I have seen playing with it it has a limited duration.
It seems to literally mark 15 people across its duration, so it will time out after 15 highlights.
That is honestly quite disappointing, I wish it would highlight a max of 5 people but be infinite, still a good device though.
As for the skills I like to run Signal Catch more than Takedown skills as I personally don't see much of a need. The skills in this game are almost never bad though, which is quite nice. Godspeed to your future runs, friend. I am still waiting for Spec Op to be fixed (i did it 5 times already overkill please)@@TheKknowley
I feel it has a limited duration but it could also just be a bug. Iv had them stop working within 5minutes of use on Dirty Ice OVK, but the very next run of Dirty Ice OVK they last the entire run of 20~ minutes (cleaning everything solo stealth).
It honestly just feels random and it seems to stop working even faster with more people and more marks floating around. 4man Dirty Ice and you have the the second smallest map but enough Marking potential between Aced Strat x 4 (12 marks) + whatever motion sensor picks up so anyone between 1-15 more PER sensor, the game just seems to stroke out from sensory overload and you get like 5 marks and everything else just stops working.
Iv also had a game with 4man lots of marking potential where we could see every npc in a red outline cause the game stroked out in a different manner instead of just dropping marks, no marks ever dropped. So im leaning heavily into "Its broken Bob." territory with marking in general once you reach a certain point.
Im just chalking it up to Payday jank that may or may not ever get fixed.
Lead guard's path is not random. It changes as you complete objectives. Lead guard investigates Mason's bedroom once you've revealed the vault.
As for Motion Sensor, it literally marks 15 targets, however, it will not unmark those targets as long as they don't leave the radius. This is why it lasts an infinite amount of time on any target you throw it on as that target can not leave the radius. However, there are still other ways for them to become unmarked (marking them manually, using a camera, another motion sensor, etc).
As for permanent marks in general, if you have routed ping and use the security room terminal for marking through cameras, those marks will remain forever.
I have heard that the only armor that actually effects your movement speed is the heavy which decreases it. If this is true, then only the medium ballistic lining should be used.
What level will it take for build?
Sad thing is, this wont make me any better in stealth
Practice and paying attention will though
Why not bring a revolver? Sure it can't be silenced but if you're running a silencer on the SA A144 anyways having a revolver's very reliable damage could be great if you end up going loud right?
I don’t disagree. I find that revolvers are very similar to the SA though, and see much better with Egde, so I don’t bring them on this build.
@@TheKknowley That's fair I guess. I tend to force sharpshooter and cutting shot into every build in case things go south haha
I was so glad for the throwing knife after having several ruined runs by grenades
You can take multiple guards hostage right? I'm pretty sure it's only 1 SWAT limit
Personally ive been running ammo bag in stealth just incase i need to refill my knives
I discovered that the throwing knife distracts/lures guards by accident - I threw it for fun into the wall in the camera room and another guard walked right in 😂
4:57 if you have the skill that makes throwing knives not break, will guards see them and alert from that?
Yes.
They will enter search mode, which can make stealth harder
I like to have the silenced sniper for stealth because I can use it to instakill from far away, and use the LOS pager skill to answer the pager, and I can use it to see codes or objectives from far away with the zoom from the scope.
you could also just put a motion sensor on the lead guard, that way you dont have to stop to know where he is
On heists where the lead guard paths near large groups of people, the sensor quickly runs out of battery and a bug renders the lead guard unmarkable even by just pinging.
@@walale12 oh didnt know it had a battery
@@tertsv7746 yeah it runs out after 15 marks I think
i'm sure you know already, but placing a motion sensor on a guard imo is a much better way to do it compared to micros, since it will auto-mark the person it's on forever AND anyone they walk by.
Sadly, it isn’t on forever, it runs out when it’s marked 15 targets. Still a great strategy, but Micros can be more consistent for long heists!
Please do stealth tutorials
Yo you can put the motion sensor on people just like the camera 😂
I don't like how they made the skills, they have perk deck level effort put into them and usually leave me wanting more gameplay changing skilltrees than 10% damage/speed/reduction buffs.
I just run a shotty and it does the job
Have they fixed the game yet?
Gold n sharke. Removing hacker skills you just removed infinite single camera loop. It's probably a bug but I'll share it regardless. Hack the camera then use ping and then loop. Enjoy infinite loop. Imagine how easy it is with 4 pple party. Another trick for stealth is to use skill to shout on swat teams, instead of killing guards by takedowns throw them and point gun on them and shout to surrender. Easy way to make 99 boxes without killing any guad.
The best stealth build is a loud build for when shtf
Brute forcing the codes is the easiest way to complete No Rest For The Wicked and Touch The Sky. That's how I got the Spec Ops achievement first try.
Brute forcing PINs is a little bit too easy at current. The devs will do what they want, but I wouldn't be surprised if they made it so that an alarm is triggered after 5-6 failed PINs. Similarly, I wouldn't be surprised if they made it so specific things like PINs randomize after restart, while keeping the overall layout of the heist the same.
@@GeassX I agree. A certain amount of failed PINs should trigger the alarm. But I don't think they are going to randomize PINs after a restart. Because for now, it is necessary for the Smash and Grab achievement.
@thanos_dawn9189 Currently, a PIN code can have up to 36 possible combinations, due to how there are always 4 digits to enter and no false positive fingerprints on the keypad.
Like I said earlier, the devs will do what they want, so if they are fine with people resetting and skipping the information gathering objectives or brute forcing codes, then whatever.
@@Unknown_Genius Again, is it an issue to the devs? Probably not, because hopefully they had someone ask the question of if there should be a limit to how many attempts are allowed.
Of the 8 base heists, 5 of them have PIN objectives.
NRftW - Grab and scan manager.
Dirty Ice - Get into the VIP room and find the note with the code.
Rock the Cradle - Find the PIN code in VIP area.
Gold & Sharke - Hack the server and reset security.
Touch the Sky - Grab Mason's dumb ass and shuffle him over to the iris scanner to get into the panic room (Loud: drill into the panic room.)
That last one is the biggest reason why I think the PIN code should be randomized each attempt, so that one couldn't complete one of the hardest challenges in the game without being proficient in every area of the heist.
It's also thematically odd. Story wise, this is the first time you've set foot inside these properties, yet you know the PIN?
damn why in the world i didnt come up with micro cam on gold and shark, thats geneus
I need a link to that meme LOL
I think they should make some changes to unmasked gameplay,
I think you *should* be able to climb and do takedowns without a mask, however I don't think you should be able to use tools like blowtorch and laser cutter.
it makes no sense that I can pull out a fucking glass cutter without looking sus and not my pistol. likewise it makes very little sense that I cant use basic motor skills without the aid of a prosthetic face.
Glass cutting and using a blowtorch is an illegal action, so will be noticed by guards and cameras
@gilby_6543 but why can I put it away like nothing happened, but can't put my pistol away?
Besides, it feels like you have too many tools available unmasked and it should ve dialed back a little
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The light ballistic lining is actually probably the best option for stealth because it has no speed penalty versus the standard lining
I can't believe I've been running without hacker. That's fucking nuts.
I love that I can slap a motion sensor on a patrolling guard's buttcheeks and he just marks everything near him as he walks around the map
Why use the Microcam to watch the Lead Gaurd, if you can just toss a motion sensor on him?
Motion sensors break after 15 markings, whereas Microcams remain permanent.
@@bobthebuilder9509 The Lead Guards stays permanently marked
Haven't watched the video but can already tell its gonna be a solid build. Cool videos btw
bain-..... i mean shade! im trying to sneak into the bank but the clapping of my dummy thicc butt cheeks are alerting the guards.
Bring back yelwonk for challenge runs
Clearly sleeping on the Transporter Skills (I'm kidding, it's not out yet)
best stolth buld fro rod rage?/??//?
Why not just throw a motion detector on the back of the lead gaurd instead of using a cam? Thast what I have been doing at least.
Because it can run out of battery after 15 marks
With the way leveling works there is no *best* build, at least not until you've put a lot of grind into leveling to be able to have enough skill points for the build you're looking for. Shit sucks.
@@Unknown_Genius If you're grinding this staring at your level and letting that dictate everything there's no way you're having fun, you'd have more fun organizing spreadsheets. Just play the game and don't worry about min/max ffs
Am I the only one that just discovered the option to apply Aced skills ?
Whoa, I missed this detail....mind blown
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what level are you at the time of reading this Kknowley? just curious! :)
Should be at least Level 100, given he's got the full 21 skill points to play with.
One thing i hope this game gets is when you join a lobby it tells you if people are going stealth or loud.
If only you could level up in stealth
You can, its just slow as shit cause you arnt completing weapon challenges except the max its level (Invested challenge on all weapons). Or maybe some silencer kills with pistols if you arnt going completely kill free.
But yeah, there are Heist challenges for Stealth on all maps except Road Rage (how would you do that silently? Besides a signal jammer and a short window to work in).
@@insanityplea5502 I have been playing this game since the day it came out, for hours upon hours, but I mostly play stealth and mostly use the same weapons and I’m only on level 40ish, it’s heavily weighted against stealth
@@ciphergacha9100Never said it wasnt. Your original comment makes it sound like you cannot level with stealth gameplay when in fact you can. Its just slow as shit and you will never hit max level due to the leveling system in the game.
the best weapons for stealth are those you need to level up
I say fuk lock picking I love slaming thro doors perk, once I used it I cant go back
Payday3 is back
*stealth too much brain use*
*me like big gun and big armor*
I think the differences in builds is great compared to PD2, it feels super balanced and there are so many ways to play
We want more uploads! ❤
Btw, you can actually loud with the Standard lining, just stick to cover and move fast when out of it. Much better than having the ability to take 4x ad much damage with lower speed.
I did not know Under the Surphaze was one of the hardest heists to stealth. I did it on very hard solo stealing all the money.
How did you get the 3 statue painting solo?
@@bryin7 The secret painting doesn't count towards the bag limit in the heist end screen.
Yeah I stole the 1.2 million without it
Try overkill, the two additional guards are bullies :(
Didn't even mention retriever as a good option. Truly a "Best Build" moment. Like, using knives for distracting can be good and all, but taking out cams for free without needing a bag can be better in a lot of situations.
If your knives don't break then guards can see them and call in search, it's better for them to break and not leave evidence. If you need more knives bring ammo bag.
@@CT3LA Did you even read my comment? Yes, I am aware, and thanks to the fact they can see them, you can make a camera operator notice a knife to permanently disable cams without killing him.
you forgot your build for road rage stealth. unsubbed.
also failed to mention Castigo is best gun for stealth. also unsubbed.
Too bad you get next to no xp for stealthing heists :(
Yeah, way too obvious the title was bait
Personally my speedy build actually works really well in stealth i actually also used youre other buold (atleats sorta where i got gunslinger) and ot does shred but i also did change the scar to the 2nd smg ypu unlock
But yeah my buod is still the same except l did drop some skills for other better ones personally my build is
1. Ammo specialist basic (im only usong it to get plate up
2. Mower basic
3. Ammo funnel
4. Replenish
4. Sprint loaded
5. Tank basic
6. Extra plates
7. Sharpshooter aced
8. Cutting shots
9. Speed aim
10. Escapist basic
11. Swift
12. Enforcer aced
Then weapons can be whatever you want but i highly recomend the ku-59 and the secondary i recomend should be the signature 403
Armor is standard linkgn keep in mind this build is made for speed and cam actually survive on very hard lous heists very easily the only real requirement for this buold id tp keep mpving as much as possible and avoid snipers and dozers at all costs because those 2 can melt you're armor within a matter of seconds obviously if youre playikg solo this dowent matter as you have 6 armor plates within youre bag (oh yeah deployable is obviously armor bag) personally i orefer flashbangs over nades they can diatarct a large group of enemies at a time and the mition sensor of im going stealth otter wise its the mine but yeah i would actually highly recomed this build obviously is youre max level feel free to add whatever ypu want to this obviously plate up is tehre as a great option and trust me this build is a glass canon but holy hell is it fun and ots not reqlly tahs squishy even on like very hard i get downed very rarely (if we dont count cloackers of course oh yeah this build can outrun cloackers) so yeah give this a try highly recommend
payday no matter what is always been so easy the loud just sucks ass in my opinion in every game it was always to easy
I just noticed kknowley you need to change you're bio it says that one day you might be a payday 3 TH-camr but for now you're a payday 3 speculator but now you are a payday 3 TH-camr