Great video! I’ve had every brand outside of a Ford Powerstroke, and the new High output really has me wanting it. The hard part is I’ve been a duramax fan boy most my life.
I don’t think anyone that drives a modern diesel through a regen cycle and actually see how nasty Def is would consider them better for the environment. It’s obvious whoever came up with this stuff hates diesel’s and doesn’t drive them.
@@tylermacconnell217 pretty corrosive either way. My truck doesn’t use enough to complain about other than the regens that burn diesel like a frat boy doing a keg stand. But it is nasty when I do deal with it. I would like to see what a good clean tune on a modern diesels with no emissions would do. I would bet it would have about the same emissions as what we have if the whole cycle was taken into consideration.
@@tylermacconnell217 I stand corrected I had to add def yesterday evening and the pump had a leak. It ate the cerakote coating off of my black bed step. I cleaned it off immediately and could see every were it got on the step this morning. I thoroughly cleaned the step and reapplied the cerakote to it. Pretty nasty stuff. Pretty sure it’s not ammonia because thats the cleaner I had when it got on my step and it didn’t eat the coating off just the def.
@@tylermacconnell217yess if it was so great, why don’t they do emissions testing while the truck is actually in regen mode? You know why? Because that would defeat the narrative. A good tuned diesel will run clean you don’t have to run around rolling coal everywhere.
You're getting the same feeling I get everytime i drive mine! I've been saying it for the last year ... if its reliable, the other 2 can't touch this truck.
That gauge cluster also appears to be having the issue for which Ford has ordered their dealers to stop sale on models built between certain dates. The problem is with the gauge cluster dropping down below the dash trim, hiding portions of the gauge.
I have the work version of this truck, it tows really nice. Have a 700 tongue weight trailer and we don’t even know trailer is behind it. The engine brake does everything I need it to as well.
You went up a short hill in town with 10k 🙈 pull 15k up a 6% grade for 6 miles. You did with the gasser and hit the brakes right before the climb and then went full throttle starting on a grade at 45 mph and then wondered why it only pulled it at 50 mph
Was a Ram owner for 25 years and decided to purchase a 22 Platinum F350. I absolutely love the powertrain but the build quality is terrible! Doors starting creaking and you could feel them moving around in the frame. The interior quality is really bad with rattles all over the place. I took my dash completely apart and multiple pieces of plastic weren't hot fused as they should be. The console rattles etc. Ford misses simple things like bare plastic in the cupholders causing everything you place in them to rattle going down the road. I went to look over the new 23's and they are just as bad too. The next time you're in one press on the console and you'll see. Finally got fed up and tracked down a 23 Ram 3500 Limited and the quality difference is staggering with not a single stitch out of place. It feels like a vault going down he road. The Cummins/Aisin combo is a pulling machine and I'll never consider anything else again. Funny how people like to dis Ram quality over Ford when in reality it's the other way around.
I’ll give you fords rattle but Rams are super problematic. My 22 ram had 3 def lights on under 10 thousand miles and the motor at 25 thou had a wicked tick starting. Traded the ram and lost my ass cause rams don’t hold their value. PD diesel has a you tube channel where he has many 22 rams that the motors have blown with low miles. He’s now driving a 23 ford and loves it.
@@chucklohnes7652 I follow PD as well. The issues they had in 22 is the reason I decided to try the 22 F350. I owned numerous Rams with the last one being a 21. Like PD, I noticed something was off with the 22 so I skipped it. I waited until this summer to test drive a 23 to see if they corrected the issues and updated the tune. I can say without question that they absolutely did. The 23 is very responsive and the exhaust brake is an animal.
Are those mirror reverse cameras available on the XLT? I really don't want to go up to the Lariat due to cost, and I'm not really a fan of leather seats either. It's about $8000 less to get an XLT, but those cameras are a feature I would really like. One thing I love about RAM -- you can get all the fancy tech on ANY trim level, you don't have to go Lariat or above like with Ford.
Ford got them all beat right now. But I’m still happy about my ram. I notice that ford hangs in lower gears higher rpm My ram Aison finds big hole before it reaches 30mph. And rumbles from low rpm to full speed
An observation I've made when driving the 22 and up powerstroke is they give you all the beans in the first half of the pedal. Almost feels like it's programmed with a pedal monster/commander. The powerstroke does well no doubt but due to the pedal programing it feel stronger than it really is.
I have only seen you test the HO Powerstroke for the exhaust brake, do you think there would be a difference with respect to the exhaust brake performance in the standard powerstroke?
The only way to actually judge the exhaust brakes on these trucks would be to do a test with the same trailer and load on the same road and use manual mode and match rpms while going down hill. With the 10 speeds, it would probably be equivilent to need to drop two gears to equal a one gear drop with the 6 speed. As far as how the trucks do in drive with brake applications or even with the grade braking in cruise control, you are judging the transmission programming and not necessarily the engine brake. I can tell you that several weeks ago I descended 9 miles of 7-8% grade with about 14k behind me, a flatbed trailer loaded with logs and a Jeep TJ that weighs 5500 lbs behind that and my 23 GMC Denali Dually was outstanding in manual mode, no brake applications at all and it is 100% down hill. In normal drive mode tow haul, no where near as good because a lot of the transmission downshifts appear to be related to how hard you press on the brakes as to how aggressive the downshifts are. For me, I choose manual mode.
@freedomisntfree44 Your right I'd much rather have a transmission running 20 degrees hotter than another one doing the same work. It instills trust and confidence with a heavy trailer behind me.
I am not a Ford fanboy, but people whining about lack of powered convex mirror on Ford trucks is rather funny to me. How many times do you really screw around convex mirrors once they are set? Powered convex mirror by Ram seems like a gimmick. If you need a powered convex mirror for your driving pleasures by all means get a Ram. But I rather get more power in a Ford than a powered convex mirror when it comes to towing.
If you're the only one driving the truck then it's not that big a deal. Regardless, being able to easily dial in mirrors per trailer and driver is extremely nice...just not a deal breaker. Ford & GM will eventually offer it.
Good morning, JB, great video and nice truck. I will say my Ram’s mileage changes (distance to empty) when I engage the tow haul mode like the Ford. I’ve also watched multiple channels and unless you have cruise control on they say the exhaust break “still sucks” or it’s “gimmicky”. In 2023 Ford and GM have taken the lead for sure. They are making really nice tow rigs. I appreciate the video.
Well I had to laugh when you said you wanted to race your white truck empty with that truck loaded. I said out loud you will lose lol. Come on man. You’re not winning any races towing a trailer against a truck that’s not towing a trailer. I’d take that bet if you completely empty your trailer too. Hard to judge the towing stability where that truck has a level and the aftermarket tires and wheels. Performance seems pretty good but I mean it’s not any better looking than a standard output 6.7 or a Duramax from just watching the video. Maybe if you used the timing equipment it would show up.
Great video! I’ve had every brand outside of a Ford Powerstroke, and the new High output really has me wanting it. The hard part is I’ve been a duramax fan boy most my life.
Great Video!!
maybe you can give it 70 more Rpm
I don’t think anyone that drives a modern diesel through a regen cycle and actually see how nasty Def is would consider them better for the environment. It’s obvious whoever came up with this stuff hates diesel’s and doesn’t drive them.
Def is ammonia and water, mostly water. There’s nothing wrong with Def. It greatly reduces the need for EGR.
@@tylermacconnell217 pretty corrosive either way. My truck doesn’t use enough to complain about other than the regens that burn diesel like a frat boy doing a keg stand. But it is nasty when I do deal with it. I would like to see what a good clean tune on a modern diesels with no emissions would do. I would bet it would have about the same emissions as what we have if the whole cycle was taken into consideration.
@@tylermacconnell217 I stand corrected I had to add def yesterday evening and the pump had a leak. It ate the cerakote coating off of my black bed step. I cleaned it off immediately and could see every were it got on the step this morning. I thoroughly cleaned the step and reapplied the cerakote to it. Pretty nasty stuff. Pretty sure it’s not ammonia because thats the cleaner I had when it got on my step and it didn’t eat the coating off just the def.
@@tylermacconnell217yess if it was so great, why don’t they do emissions testing while the truck is actually in regen mode? You know why? Because that would defeat the narrative. A good tuned diesel will run clean you don’t have to run around rolling coal everywhere.
@@tylermacconnell217I have no need for def or egr. Global warming is a scam
I have a 21 power stroke and 28-30 k it's extremely comfortable tons of power! I love it!
You're getting the same feeling I get everytime i drive mine! I've been saying it for the last year
... if its reliable, the other 2 can't touch this truck.
Need more like these! Unfiltered and raw towing to see what's happening. Keep these up.
I love how that super duty looks. And I'm a chevy man.
You can set those gauges on top to have numbers. You have to click on detailed view under settings
I am trying to get the numbers on my Super Duty. Under the settings menu, there is nothing that says detailed view.
Very nice. Now I have to go look at the Fords.
Good video. I'm enjoying the Ford !
Great video and information. Thank you!
wow 😀
That gauge cluster also appears to be having the issue for which Ford has ordered their dealers to stop sale on models built between certain dates. The problem is with the gauge cluster dropping down below the dash trim, hiding portions of the gauge.
Is this just on diesel’s or f150s also?😎💪🇺🇸
Nice! Enjoyed the ride along testing. Almost made me want to buy a Ford! Whew…that was close 😅
Almost......me too
We're buying one, the Ram just can't compete.
I would give it a 130 mpg run
The biggest downside is that once you step above that XL/XLT trim level, the costs quickly balloon out of control.
The xl and xlt are also out of control. $80k for an XLT
@@Parker-ub8xuI just ordered a 2024 450 xlt 71k very we’ll loaded
Awesome review JP!! Could you imagine doing a FULL delete and then do a tune how much better it would pull and mpg would be!!
I have the work version of this truck, it tows really nice. Have a 700 tongue weight trailer and we don’t even know trailer is behind it. The engine brake does everything I need it to as well.
I feel like people that rip on ford have never had one
I went from a 20' F350 to a 23' GMC 3500 and freaking love it. But I also loved my Ford.
Is 230° engine oil normal?
What did the chevy get?
Who works?
Can you change the color of the gauges where it fills in?? I thought this was usually blue?
You went up a short hill in town with 10k 🙈 pull 15k up a 6% grade for 6 miles. You did with the gasser and hit the brakes right before the climb and then went full throttle starting on a grade at 45 mph and then wondered why it only pulled it at 50 mph
Trollin away 😂 faster than the gm
Did you weigh it?
I have the same issue , air bags
I realize the GM style bed steps are functional but the trucks looked way better without them. Good video.
Funny to hear you say ford copied Gm. Id like to ask the GM folks "how does it feel?" Bc they have been copying ford for the last 60 + years.
No panoramic sky roof, what's your reasoning for that decision?
It’s not his truck
Was a Ram owner for 25 years and decided to purchase a 22 Platinum F350. I absolutely love the powertrain but the build quality is terrible! Doors starting creaking and you could feel them moving around in the frame. The interior quality is really bad with rattles all over the place. I took my dash completely apart and multiple pieces of plastic weren't hot fused as they should be. The console rattles etc. Ford misses simple things like bare plastic in the cupholders causing everything you place in them to rattle going down the road. I went to look over the new 23's and they are just as bad too. The next time you're in one press on the console and you'll see.
Finally got fed up and tracked down a 23 Ram 3500 Limited and the quality difference is staggering with not a single stitch out of place. It feels like a vault going down he road. The Cummins/Aisin combo is a pulling machine and I'll never consider anything else again. Funny how people like to dis Ram quality over Ford when in reality it's the other way around.
I’ll give you fords rattle but Rams are super problematic. My 22 ram had 3 def lights on under 10 thousand miles and the motor at 25 thou had a wicked tick starting. Traded the ram and lost my ass cause rams don’t hold their value. PD diesel has a you tube channel where he has many 22 rams that the motors have blown with low miles. He’s now driving a 23 ford and loves it.
@@chucklohnes7652 I follow PD as well.
The issues they had in 22 is the reason I decided to try the 22 F350. I owned numerous Rams with the last one being a 21. Like PD, I noticed something was off with the 22 so I skipped it. I waited until this summer to test drive a 23 to see if they corrected the issues and updated the tune. I can say without question that they absolutely did. The 23 is very responsive and the exhaust brake is an animal.
Wow mine is fine
@@redtitan29how many miles do u have on the 23 ram?
@@wallyyuriy8912 Right around 8K
Are those mirror reverse cameras available on the XLT? I really don't want to go up to the Lariat due to cost, and I'm not really a fan of leather seats either. It's about $8000 less to get an XLT, but those cameras are a feature I would really like. One thing I love about RAM -- you can get all the fancy tech on ANY trim level, you don't have to go Lariat or above like with Ford.
You went faster up the 6% grade with that 5.7 hemi 1500 reble and the same trailer on a hotter day
Ford got them all beat right now. But I’m still happy about my ram. I notice that ford hangs in lower gears higher rpm
My ram Aison finds big hole before it reaches 30mph. And rumbles from low rpm to full speed
How the ride vs your Chevy with a load?
An observation I've made when driving the 22 and up powerstroke is they give you all the beans in the first half of the pedal. Almost feels like it's programmed with a pedal monster/commander. The powerstroke does well no doubt but due to the pedal programing it feel stronger than it really is.
I have only seen you test the HO Powerstroke for the exhaust brake, do you think there would be a difference with respect to the exhaust brake performance in the standard powerstroke?
The only way to actually judge the exhaust brakes on these trucks would be to do a test with the same trailer and load on the same road and use manual mode and match rpms while going down hill. With the 10 speeds, it would probably be equivilent to need to drop two gears to equal a one gear drop with the 6 speed. As far as how the trucks do in drive with brake applications or even with the grade braking in cruise control, you are judging the transmission programming and not necessarily the engine brake. I can tell you that several weeks ago I descended 9 miles of 7-8% grade with about 14k behind me, a flatbed trailer loaded with logs and a Jeep TJ that weighs 5500 lbs behind that and my 23 GMC Denali Dually was outstanding in manual mode, no brake applications at all and it is 100% down hill. In normal drive mode tow haul, no where near as good because a lot of the transmission downshifts appear to be related to how hard you press on the brakes as to how aggressive the downshifts are. For me, I choose manual mode.
Lets run 090
Great review man. Good ol Ford transmission boiling point when Ram is running 190.
Also says the ford runs that hot in the manual. So your saying all machines run the same temp? Haven’t been in many then.
They are different fluids and transmissions, operating temps are different. My ZF 8speed runs over 190 commuting and up to 210 towing.
By design ford trans run warmer than others. Usually around the same as oil temp. I think they use the same cooler.
@freedomisntfree44 Your right I'd much rather have a transmission running 20 degrees hotter than another one doing the same work. It instills trust and confidence with a heavy trailer behind me.
@@tumbleweedking5668 like I said, you ain’t been in many machines 😂 they’re not universal. Different fluid all together….
Ram’s mirrors are small in addition the manual flip up to tow mode sucks!
Awesome truck!! When are you gonna test your Dully’s exhaust brake under load to see how it does?
Man! If you would be able to do the delete on this truck, it would be an even bigger monster!!
Why would the government get rid of emissions standards? There is absolutely no way.
It’s sad to see this. I am a ford guy. But damn ford has horrible build quality. Just look at the rear bumper alignment. It’s off.
Please race your gasser empty and this towing. Won’t even be remotely close. The gasser is less than 2 seconds slower than the HO 0-60 empty.
😂
He did and you can’t even pass the ford in the Chevy 😂😂😂😂
Now tow the 18.5 trailer!
I hate the Fore chime.
Lets make it extremely extremely hot and take to 10% grade
I am not a Ford fanboy, but people whining about lack of powered convex mirror on Ford trucks is rather funny to me. How many times do you really screw around convex mirrors once they are set? Powered convex mirror by Ram seems like a gimmick. If you need a powered convex mirror for your driving pleasures by all means get a Ram. But I rather get more power in a Ford than a powered convex mirror when it comes to towing.
If you're the only one driving the truck then it's not that big a deal. Regardless, being able to easily dial in mirrors per trailer and driver is extremely nice...just not a deal breaker. Ford & GM will eventually offer it.
Mountain view is not a true test, come on man, go up parleys or daniels and give it a test, a Tacoma can make it up Mountain view with that weight
Still mad at RAM I can tell 🤪
Good morning, JB, great video and nice truck. I will say my Ram’s mileage changes (distance to empty) when I engage the tow haul mode like the Ford. I’ve also watched multiple channels and unless you have cruise control on they say the exhaust break “still sucks” or it’s “gimmicky”.
In 2023 Ford and GM have taken the lead for sure. They are making really nice tow rigs. I appreciate the video.
i wont buy a diesel until the emissions is gone i cant have the down time and problems.
Well I had to laugh when you said you wanted to race your white truck empty with that truck loaded. I said out loud you will lose lol. Come on man. You’re not winning any races towing a trailer against a truck that’s not towing a trailer. I’d take that bet if you completely empty your trailer too.
Hard to judge the towing stability where that truck has a level and the aftermarket tires and wheels. Performance seems pretty good but I mean it’s not any better looking than a standard output 6.7 or a Duramax from just watching the video. Maybe if you used the timing equipment it would show up.
Your passing cars up hill with 10,000 pounds
😂😂 ram has the ugliest mirrors in the history of trucks