Inside the pawl-pin assembly is a ring that needs to be tightened occasionally. If it doesn't advance, just tighten it a bit.. just a PSA in case anyone has a similar issue. Great video and machine. I have one just like it.
Read the edit below also! I've got the same shaper (but it's an Ammco) with the exact same issue with the feed pawl. I'm trying to get the pin out so I can take it apart and inspect it. I bought the machine a couple of months ago simply because they are mesmerizing to watch operate. It's in near immaculate original shape with original light, vise, paint, tags and decal. I didn't think I'd use the machine that much, but find I use it all the time... EDIT: Fixed it. After fighting the feed pawl mechanism all morning without luck I started looking g elsewhere. Turned out the Gibson on the table for side to side movement was too tight. Loosened the gibs screws up a bit and the feed now works perfect in both directions...
Hello. Nice machine. I am reconditioning a similar machine now. It is an Ammco 6"shaper, so there are some minor differences. Two things to look at in your table crossfeed mechanism are: the lower end of the ratchet pawl and the other end of the crossfeed screw. The pawl should have one asymmetrical end, vertical on one side, slanted on the other. If it iz worn out (like mine was), it will not feed properly. Mine also has a drag brake on tbe far end of the crossfeed screw where it passes through the casting. Just a hole in the crossfeed castng with a brass slug that bears against the screw, and a set screw over the slug to put a little pressure on it. I hope this helps you to iron out the last details.
Thanks for the info. I actually sold this machine several years ago. I did get it working a little better, but I basically gave up after a while. I have a 17" shaper now and I could set a machine this size on the box of my new one.
I have the AMMCO 6" version too. Mine has the table height screw under the bench, not out the side. From what I have found out, I think that means pre 1941. Mine does not have the original feed mechanism, it has a home made replacement from before I got it. I also have a 10 inch and an 18 inch shaper.
I have the same shaper but, mine is an Ammco. Delta made them for Ammco or the other way around. I'm not sure. It's been mothballed for several years and needs a good clean-up and paint. I've used it when it used to belong to a previous employer and it worked nice. I've just got to get it out and fix it up. Hopefully, this winter. It's been said in the past, "You can make anything with a shaper, except money." LOL. Thanks for sharing your's.
+Dave Lee Hey, Yeah they are fun little machines but do take time to run! It's kind of rare to see a shaper of any size in a shop today unless they are doing specialty work. You'll have to get your out and get it going! start making something on it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
New comment on an old video, yeah I know. But I agree, seems like late model lathes, mills, and shapers are hard to find up here. Took me 3 years to find a South Bend 9 and I still drove 350 miles.
What part of the country are you in? I seem to find more stuff closer to larger cities. occasionally stuff pops up in the middle of nowhere. The last several months have made it hard to find machines too. People at home with nothing to do, maybe a little extra stimulus money to spend on whatever........
You need more tension on that feed rod so that the tension of the drive pawl is weaker than the force required to turn the feed screw. In order to do that you need to tighten the nuts on the end of the feed rod that is opposite to the handle. That will fix the problem with the auto-feed. I had the same problem on mine until I torqued the nuts tight enough. . . . Jim
+James Schmitt That was one of many things I tried. I spent about a week with loose, tight and everything in between on those lock nuts. I finally did get it working OK after about a month and tearing every part of that auto feed apart. Although it worked OK, I never got it working the way it was suppose to. I finally sold it and bought another machine for my shop. I would like to find another, but if I do I'll most likely look for an Atlas, South Bend, Logan, or maybe a little larger machine. I'm done with the Deltas as far as shapers go! I'm sure they work great when tuned up, but the particular one had issues!
So I bought a house and found that exact one in the garage. I'm trying to find out some stuff on it and wanting to sell it I have no use for it. Everything is free moving. Any help would be great!
I believe your tool holder is in backwards which will cause it to chatter more. There is another video here that show what I mean th-cam.com/video/bqqArCxkMtc/w-d-xo.html you might want to check it out.
+imystery man Hey, Thanks, I had not seen that video till now. I guess I could be wrong, but to me the way that guy has it on would cause the bit to be less stable because instead of the bit pushing against the large body of the holder, it is pushing against the smaller locking cap. I could be wrong, but I think his is backwards. I've since sold this machine. Thanks for the comments though!
I see no reason why you couldnt drill & and tap with a set screw 'thats what I'd do" then take the 'ratchet' apart, most likely the pawl needs sharpening or a weak spring in there or its got dried goopy grease. Not make money with a shaper? thats a wifes tale. bottom line a mill has its place, and a shaper has its place. We can produce a finish with a shaper you can shave in like a mirror. Its all in the grinding of the bit. Looks like I will have to make a vidio ; We also have a shaper mill / drill attachment for special work we do. Gear tooth implants all done on a shaper. Machine gears without expensive mill gear cutters, all done on a shaper. "Its all in the grinding of the bit" Bottom line; example a rusted up say 3x3 piece of junk. The shaper eats rust it don't care, Would you ruin an expensive mill end mill?? NO, a 2 dollar HSS blank fits the bill can be sharpened over and over. And also do not under estimate a 7 in shaper. We old timers have a sayin "if your in a hurry, ya don't belong in a machine shop" samuel
+samuel pine Hey, I tried everything under the sun to try and fix that pawl pin issue. several different spring tensions, reground the edge, made a couple completely new pins, and it was always nice and clean minus some lubricating oil. I did finally get it working OK, but it was never reliable and I ended up selling it because I wanted to move on to other things. I'll get another one someday, but not for a few years. I would like to buy a little larger one maybe a 9-12" model. I did make a series of videos on making an aluminum case for a safety razor which turned out really nice. I'm not expert on running one of these machines, but the more I used it, the more I learned how to make certain cuts with it. Also I 100% agree with you that the grinding of a bit is the most important part about how nice of a cut you will get. I would like to see someone that really knows how to run one of these do a few videos on how to make certain cuts, and angling of the head. Not just planing a piece of metal. Plunge cuts and cutting vertically needs a different setup than going straight across. I originally bought mine to contour receivers, and possibly make a few gears, but I have not been doing much of that lately and the small amount that I can currently doing I can do on a mill. Thanks for watching and commenting, Good stuff!
Inside the pawl-pin assembly is a ring that needs to be tightened occasionally. If it doesn't advance, just tighten it a bit.. just a PSA in case anyone has a similar issue. Great video and machine. I have one just like it.
Read the edit below also!
I've got the same shaper (but it's an Ammco) with the exact same issue with the feed pawl. I'm trying to get the pin out so I can take it apart and inspect it.
I bought the machine a couple of months ago simply because they are mesmerizing to watch operate. It's in near immaculate original shape with original light, vise, paint, tags and decal. I didn't think I'd use the machine that much, but find I use it all the time...
EDIT: Fixed it. After fighting the feed pawl mechanism all morning without luck I started looking g elsewhere. Turned out the Gibson on the table for side to side movement was too tight. Loosened the gibs screws up a bit and the feed now works perfect in both directions...
nice machine, love to see vids on shapers
Yeah, they are cool, but I have a tough time keeping them.
Hello. Nice machine. I am reconditioning a similar machine now. It is an Ammco 6"shaper, so there are some minor differences. Two things to look at in your table crossfeed mechanism are: the lower end of the ratchet pawl and the other end of the crossfeed screw. The pawl should have one asymmetrical end, vertical on one side, slanted on the other. If it iz worn out (like mine was), it will not feed properly. Mine also has a drag brake on tbe far end of the crossfeed screw where it passes through the casting. Just a hole in the crossfeed castng with a brass slug that bears against the screw, and a set screw over the slug to put a little pressure on it. I hope this helps you to iron out the last details.
Thanks for the info. I actually sold this machine several years ago. I did get it working a little better, but I basically gave up after a while. I have a 17" shaper now and I could set a machine this size on the box of my new one.
I have the AMMCO 6" version too. Mine has the table height screw under the bench, not out the side. From what I have found out, I think that means pre 1941. Mine does not have the original feed mechanism, it has a home made replacement from before I got it. I also have a 10 inch and an 18 inch shaper.
Thank you for doing this - very nice!
+doug k Thanks!
Nice. Love to get one of these myself.
I have the same shaper but, mine is an Ammco. Delta made them for Ammco or the other way around. I'm not sure. It's been mothballed for several years and needs a good clean-up and paint. I've used it when it used to belong to a previous employer and it worked nice. I've just got to get it out and fix it up. Hopefully, this winter. It's been said in the past, "You can make anything with a shaper, except money." LOL. Thanks for sharing your's.
+Dave Lee
Hey, Yeah they are fun little machines but do take time to run! It's kind of rare to see a shaper of any size in a shop today unless they are doing specialty work. You'll have to get your out and get it going! start making something on it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
New comment on an old video, yeah I know. But I agree, seems like late model lathes, mills, and shapers are hard to find up here. Took me 3 years to find a South Bend 9 and I still drove 350 miles.
What part of the country are you in? I seem to find more stuff closer to larger cities. occasionally stuff pops up in the middle of nowhere. The last several months have made it hard to find machines too. People at home with nothing to do, maybe a little extra stimulus money to spend on whatever........
I'm up in Minot. Takes some doing but alot of what I've found has been in old oilfield shops or places that the owners forgot it was there.
Nice shaper. I have an Atlas 7 but it isn't in nice shape like yours, probably sat idle for 25+ years before I got it.
like the your videos
Jim
You need more tension on that feed rod so that the tension of the drive pawl is weaker than the force required to turn the feed screw. In order to do that you need to tighten the nuts on the end of the feed rod that is opposite to the handle. That will fix the problem with the auto-feed. I had the same problem on mine until I torqued the nuts tight enough. . . . Jim
+James Schmitt
That was one of many things I tried. I spent about a week with loose, tight and everything in between on those lock nuts. I finally did get it working OK after about a month and tearing every part of that auto feed apart. Although it worked OK, I never got it working the way it was suppose to. I finally sold it and bought another machine for my shop. I would like to find another, but if I do I'll most likely look for an Atlas, South Bend, Logan, or maybe a little larger machine. I'm done with the Deltas as far as shapers go! I'm sure they work great when tuned up, but the particular one had issues!
Tom at Oxtool has one that is identical. The advance pawl is broken on his as well.
I messed around with mine and got minimal success with an attempted repair. It never worked like it was suppose to.
So I bought a house and found that exact one in the garage. I'm trying to find out some stuff on it and wanting to sell it I have no use for it. Everything is free moving. Any help would be great!
Where are you located? Craigslist is usually a good place to sell them.
I believe your tool holder is in backwards which will cause it to chatter more. There is another video here that show what I mean th-cam.com/video/bqqArCxkMtc/w-d-xo.html you might want to check it out.
+imystery man Hey, Thanks, I had not seen that video till now. I guess I could be wrong, but to me the way that guy has it on would cause the bit to be less stable because instead of the bit pushing against the large body of the holder, it is pushing against the smaller locking cap. I could be wrong, but I think his is backwards. I've since sold this machine. Thanks for the comments though!
I see no reason why you couldnt drill & and tap with a set screw 'thats what I'd do"
then take the 'ratchet' apart, most likely the pawl needs sharpening or a weak spring
in there or its got dried goopy grease. Not make money with a shaper? thats a wifes tale. bottom line a mill has its place, and a shaper has its place. We can produce a
finish with a shaper you can shave in like a mirror. Its all in the grinding of the bit. Looks
like I will have to make a vidio ; We also have a shaper mill / drill attachment for special
work we do. Gear tooth implants all done on a shaper. Machine gears without expensive mill gear cutters, all done on a shaper. "Its all in the grinding of the bit"
Bottom line; example a rusted up say 3x3 piece of junk. The shaper eats rust it don't
care, Would you ruin an expensive mill end mill?? NO, a 2 dollar HSS blank fits the bill
can be sharpened over and over. And also do not under estimate a 7 in shaper. We old
timers have a sayin "if your in a hurry, ya don't belong in a machine shop" samuel
+samuel pine Hey, I tried everything under the sun to try and fix that pawl pin issue. several different spring tensions, reground the edge, made a couple completely new pins, and it was always nice and clean minus some lubricating oil. I did finally get it working OK, but it was never reliable and I ended up selling it because I wanted to move on to other things. I'll get another one someday, but not for a few years. I would like to buy a little larger one maybe a 9-12" model. I did make a series of videos on making an aluminum case for a safety razor which turned out really nice. I'm not expert on running one of these machines, but the more I used it, the more I learned how to make certain cuts with it. Also I 100% agree with you that the grinding of a bit is the most important part about how nice of a cut you will get.
I would like to see someone that really knows how to run one of these do a few videos on how to make certain cuts, and angling of the head. Not just planing a piece of metal. Plunge cuts and cutting vertically needs a different setup than going straight across.
I originally bought mine to contour receivers, and possibly make a few gears, but I have not been doing much of that lately and the small amount that I can currently doing I can do on a mill. Thanks for watching and commenting, Good stuff!