VTNVIVI people like you need bigger channels (due to fanstastic theories and ideas) and be hired as STORY DEVELOPER (seriously and i mean that becouse if you could make a Sky Cooper games it would be a 10/10)
Too kind!!!!! I think what makes a story great is NOT to have too many questions get asked with the writing. Questions that leave fans wondering about the story? That one can be interesting if done right, fan theories exist for that reason. Making sure your writing makes sense and is intriguing is what matters, pacing is also important! 1. Don't undermine character development 2. Write something that flows well and makes sense. 3. Make it appealing. That's the mindset I'd have as a writer.
@@VtnVivi by the way about your clockwork theory about Penelope going to find clockwork would it not be easier if Penelope found those clockwork blueprints in cario to build clockwork instead of going through time. Remember in a cutscene in sly 2 they were blueprints on how to build clockwork . And they are probably still there .
**They're* Those thought lines from both Sly and Carmelita were from *issue 1* of the short-lived *_Adventures of Sly Cooper_** comic books (2004-2005).*
I was thinking about her crossing the line in a different way. Like crossing the line to the cryminal activity. What if the gang decides the only person that could help them, and to whom they have access to , who knew the blimp and the potential coordinates... was Le Paradox, but he only agrees to help if they get him out of jail and give his "art collector" renoma back. And Carmelita actually follows with this plan using her connections and knowlage of interpol to cover it up. Breaking into jail could be even the opening mission. Imagine how much that could show how much Sly means to her, even more than her moral code of justice, that just to have a chance of saving him she would betray the law that she values so much and built her whole life on. And could give her a mental punching bag in person of the guy who is resposible for this whole mess. Imagine her trying no to kill that skunk. Heck imagine the rest of the gang trying not to kill that skunk. Could lead to some nice comedy. . . . . . . . . Also I am bias because I want Le Paradox to be developed as a character and be redeemed, let me show you my 10 step plan and finished script for the 5th game and/or the 5th season of the TV show, it all starts.......
@@VtnVivi Or maybe -- like with *James Bond (Timothy Dalton)* in *"License to Kill" (1989),* her *earlier spat with Neyla (Alesia Glidewell)* in *"Sly 2: Band of Thieves" (2004)* and *Miles Edgeworth* in *"Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth - Prosecoutor's Path" (2011; Japan only)* -- ...Carmelita *dishonorably resigns* from INTERPOL until further notice, only to then become a *rogue agent* shortly afterwards when she joins the gang to find Sly.
The first trilogy talked about reputation. With what you proposed, the new theme will involve alignment and principles, Grey areas of morality. To witness Carmalita struggle with her two sides will provide an interesting story, only if they do it right
Indeed. She has two sides: Her allegiance to Interpol as a by the book cop and the love she has for Sly. The story will have to show, at least in the end, which she will prize more.
Carmelita coped with the loss of Sly by channeling her grief and frustration onto other criminals. Not a healthy way, by any means. It will tear her apart. Saw it happen to some people, and most contemplated suicide
You are a hard core fan of these beautiful games, aren't you? You keep posting videos about these games. I'm sure one day it will get a sequel buddy. I feel sad that the developers stop the greatest games and goes chasing money. I loved Sly series, Ratchet series(not stopped untill now and thats a relief), Jak and daxter, The Getaway franchise. And such other Playstation exclusives.
@@VtnVivi *Damn it!* I was about to say exactly that! Anyway, like with F.B.I. Special Agents *Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson)* and *Fox Mulder (David Duchovny)* in the episodes *"Anasazi" (S2, E25),* *"The Blessing Way" (S3, E1)* and *"Paper Clip" (S3, E2)* from *"The X-Files" (1993-2002; 2016-2018),* Carmelita could be *suspended from INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization),* pending investigation,* until further notice... only to then *go rogue* shortly afterwards, similar to *James Bond (Timothy Dalton)* in the movie *"License to Kill" (1989),* where he becomes a rogue agent after *M (Robert Brown)* goes too far by wrongfully suspending Bond and revoking his *license to kill* (hence the title), when all Bond did was tender his leave of absence for a few days to find drug lord *Franz Sanchez (Robert Davi)* for the maiming and attempted murder of his C.I.A. turned D.E.A. friend *Felix Leiter (David Hedison)* with a *Carcharodon carcharis (Great White Shark)* with help from C.I.A. contract pilot *Pam Bouvier (Carey Lowell)* and *Q (Desmond Llewelyn).* Either way, if her superiors at INTERPOL found out that Carmeluta had a thing for Sly, she would likely get fired with little to no chance of reinstatement.
If by some miracle we get a Sly 5, I think Carmelita should definitely take the role as the main character, at least until Sly is found. For one thing, it just feels like the proper evolution of her role in the games. From a bit of a side character in 1, to the one that finally destroyed Clockwerk in 2, to actually being playable at points in 3, to being a more prominent playable character in 4, to being the main character at least for a bit in a hypothetical 5. It would also work pretty well this way because if anyone is going to take Sly's place until he's found, Carmelita is best suited for that role being one of the only characters on par with him.
I have a little story I made up The Cooper Clan it's not the only one to have a family history the fox family (think of it as the Brotherhood of Assassins versus the order of the ancients AKA Templars if you played Assassin's Creed) Carmina Fox has a family book call the foxy's diary but she never read it she just kept it under Lock and Key and super surveillance and security but she didn't know that it hold many secrets and talents passed down by her ancestors that could have been useful to capturing Sly and the Cooper gang and many other criminals and her shock pistol has some features she didn't know about also she is replace by a corrupted Bounty Hunter who is the new villain who is after Sly Cooper who he believes is in hiding and not missing but he also can't have her interfere with his work.
In one of Vivi's videos, Carmelita is the fourth generation of her family being in law enforcement. I'm not sure if your story and previous statements would match up really well.
Now that you mention it we don’t know much about carmelita’s origins. They could make a game or series only with her storyline of how she was born and her development as a character and how she knew sly throughout the years and also make scenes with little details that can be more private for them and weren’t told in the sly’s games so we can have all the full gossip between them😂😍
In my Sly 5 story, i pictured her working with Bentley and Murray, taking over Slys role on the team in order to save Sly and stopping Penelope by sneaking around. However after this video I can see her having game mechanics that fit her personality like using her gun to distract enemies or break objects in her way or to find collectible or be used in shooting sections similar to Murray fighting sections.
Sony here's a amazing idea from a fan make this into freaking game and hire this man as your main story creator . He knows how to make a good story for sly Cooper . I really want a stand alone Carmelita game now that's to you ! I appreciate you making these videos .
Wow this is the best video I've ever saw on your channel. Of course after the one about her and Sly's relationship. And so agree that Carmelita evolved greatly in the games. As SlyXCarmelita is one of my favorite couples in videogames. Her role became so important, SO important as she is part of the gang. Those situations about put the work in the line for those you love is a topic I really like and get too interested in the development. It would be awesome if in a new game they could make her playable among missions, even a section where she chases some criminals across the city using her motorcycle and gun to shoot at the things the criminals throw to her. Also to see how she deals her relationship with Sly and how far she is willing to go to get him back. Great video!
Hearing what you said about a potential game for Carmelita and how she might have to go 'outside' her usual morals... Reminded me of the opening act to *Sam and Max The Devil's Playhouse - They Stole Max's Brain.* Those that have played the episode know what I'm talking about.
I hope someone will make a sly cooper game in dreams. It will be cool too if main character will be Carmelita. This story could be told from her perspective from beginning.
The story I'm always thought is the that sly cooper got blasted through time and fragments of him are torn across time as well. The main objective of this came would to find his fragments and put them together. The story can add multiple ways of and new boss fights such as having to defeat dark sly and sly himself creating clockwork himself
Honestly now that you mention it, I'd love the 5th game to be from her perspective. Also I hope you get hired in writing the story for sly 5,like this was beautiful man 😭😭😭😭❤
Probably a stupid question to ask but what was the reason for the changes of voice for that character every game? It just seem like an odd transition done weirdly, each voice don't connect to the other.
You've shared some great thoughts on the future of Carmelita Montoya Fox. I too think that the next Sly game should put a greater emphasis on Carmelita's point of view regarding events. Now I wish Sony would stop sitting on the Sly franchise and let developers like Sucker Punch or Sanzaru finish the story, for pete's sake!
Yea, having a side game with Carmelita as the MC of it does sound interesting. It could be around the time after Sly's disappearance and then tie in a clue as to what happened to Sly for the gang. then lead into the next full Sly Cooper game if they needed to do that. They just need to end it where there's some kind of "Happily Ever After" vibe, not that kind of Cliff Hanger!
I didn’t really catch on they were into each other until sly 3 when sly plainly said he had a thing for her I thought it was just flirty chitchat and banter but nothing serious but now i see it is and it made the sly story even more interesting it just really cool how each game sly and camelita relationship progressed throughout the series from completely hiding it, to showing ehh a little bit in sly 2 champagne then sly 3 you know at least sly is into her for sure, then 4 comes along it’s just full fledged relationship I’m in love with you I care deeply about you. Even sly wasn’t even playing around anymore he was legit caring hoping she’s ok etc.
Iyeeee.. Uh I feel Like Sly is in Egypt or some part of there. Yeah Carmelita, Bentley & Murray are gonna be a team & try to find Sly in particular. Carmelita may get put on probation, so she decides that she should join along with them to find him. Then they may end up really taking relationship things seriously. She still loves him, he loves her & I love them both. I also agree with a game from her perspective & playing as just her throiyghout the whole thing.
, this idea is so great that everyone in this community for Sly Cooper and anyone who watched his video should email to the writers themselves to push for this idea and make them come out where we have both sides of the story before the series end for good. We should at least get a one story arc where it is focused mainly on, Dita. She deserves that with all the help and involvement she has had throughout the game series. Let's push this idea to the writers and producers!
Carmelita fox future story: I say she should have a who game to herself. She and the cooper gang meet up for exchange on sky possible time era. There are a few simple missions to deal with but then the information comes that sly is trapped in Egypt and the only thing that could take them there is a very fragile item and Interpol is watching Carmelita like a Hawk because of her recent action telling her that she has to protect it at all costs or be fired. There will be a showdown between Bentley and Carmelita because they both have lost one they loved. And near the end of the showdown Carmelita’s badge falls off. The chose comes up. Put it on or toss it? Then the story will split. Put it on Carmelita will win the showdown but Interpool saw her hesitant and gives her a mandatory vacation which causes the item to be taken away and Carmelita arriving at the hideout just before they leave. The other way. Carmelita throws her badge away. Shocking everyone and revealing it’s a fake. Now on the run for her own gain she will help the gang get the real item. And then the finale mission is sneaking into the prison and getting the gang back together and escaping to Egypt in the past. But they arrive at the same time but different areas. A piece of paper gets sent out by the night breeze and sly grabs it. To reveal a wanted poster of Carmelita Fox. The game ends with a divided screen with both looking out over the sand unknown they are actually looking in each other’s direction. The camera. Zooms out showing the two dots. And then fades to black. The game will show Carmelita enteral war between love and justice while she falls towards the person justice side. And eventually is betrayed by her boss or she quits. And in sly 5 they do missions switching back and forth until they reunite. But before the ending of the Carmelita side game it is shown that’s she’s holding her own wanted poster.
I am hoping that if they can get Sly back and put things back the way they were, Sly and Carmelita will go back to being a couple again ... though with the way the 4th game happened, I get the feeling that it would most likely be on Sly's side of the law ... or probably back to how it was before the end of the 3rd game where it was good old fashion cops and robbers, kind of like an open ended ending like how Ratchet & Clank: A Crack In Time ended where it left room for more sequels but there didn't necessarily need to be anymore sequels.
Her trying to balancing loving a thief and her job sounds like a potential for a multiple choice type game like in Heavy Rain or DBH (both games are crime thrillers) and the player can decide which interrogation tactic to go with, what path to take, whom to question, where her loyalty stance, and if she wants to continue the relationship. I do wonder if Sly was pardoned for his crimes since before the events of the fourth game, he was hanging out with her so openly. Like, the threat of his capture is gone.
I absolutely want a Sly 5! And if we get even more missions with Carmelita, I could totally see her being kinda/sorta being like the Catwoman of the group, albeit reversed. You'd be surprised what love can do to a person. It can drive them to take...dangerous turns. Or need I remind everyone of a certain Dutch mouse...?
Are you gonna do a video about if Sly & Carmelita had a kid in the future? He/she could save Sly with the Cooper gang's help with his/her own time machine without the need of an item.
I would like Carmelita to get more Gameplay in Sly Cooper 5 and Potential Future Games. For her mechanics in gameplay, we should equip her kick-boxing skills while pressing the Square Button and we can still have her use her shock pistol and we should give her missions in Sly Cooper 5. I do like the idea that Carmelita struggling with her frustration on the loss of Sly and her emotions on how she misses Sly, Bentley and Carmelita interrogating Le Paradox about Sly's whereabouts: Bentley Good Cop and Carmelita Bad Cop, and Carmelita going to Interpol by herself during the events of Sly 5 helping the gang. Like I said for The "Another Way" video to get Sly out of Ancient Egypt before the fight with Le Paradox, Sly would snatch one of the communication devices that allows him to contact the gang where or when he travels so he can contact Bentley and maybe Carmelita would pick up the device. I wish we get Sly Cooper stand-alone games in the future. We should get a Sly Cooper Game focusing on Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita. I would call those Sly Cooper Stand-Alone Games: Bentley: A Sly Cooper Story, Murray: A Sly Cooper Story, and Carmelita: A Sly Cooper Story as an inspiration from the Star Wars Stand-Alone Films following the canon era for Rogue One and Solo. I would explore Sly's Parents, The Orphanage, the Night of the attack, and Sly's Dad's Thieving Days in Sly Cooper 5 including the reason on why Clockwerk hated The Coopers
at this point in the series I think a side installment which would put the entire focus on Carmelita's perspective would be a great idea and necessary for those who don't have access to the Sly cooper comic series so they get to understand Carmelita's motivations more as a character because out of all the characters so far, Carmelita is probably the most important character who we know very little about.
I think Carmelita will be working both sides in the future, like after sly returns home in sly 5 (hopefully that will happen soon) sly 6 will have sly and Carmelita back together and working in interpol again but Carmelita will secretly give missions to sly, cases led by a lot of big name thieves in different locations around the world, ones that can only be solved by a master thief and sly and his friends are the ones to put the bad guys away to help get the job done and maybe get a share of the fortune too 💰😉
But with you talking about that Vi. 7:27 got me thinking, what if Carmelita choose to leave interpool and just freelance?. That would cause a lot thinking in her mind, especially if they were to find out that she loves Sly in Sly 5, it would be a choice thing, and them forcing her to choose. 2 If they were to, there can be gameplay, based on Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita working together to try and find Sly, but from different perspectives. I would love to see more gameplay from Carmelita's perspective with trying to find Sly with her resources in and out of Interpol, and moving along with the narrative, but of course gameplay with Sly trying to find a way back home. 3 Bentley and Murray can travel around the world finding different pieces that lead to time periods to try and find Sly, I know it's cliche, But with Bentley's Smarts, it would be worth it, besides if you had a friend that was stuck in some time period, wouldn't you hop in to every time period you could think of, and try to pin point were the could be?. And #InFavorOfPants
@@VtnVivi thanks, I'm just saying "Freelance", it could work and adding on to 2. What if a new character can be brought in that Carmelita knows outside of interpol. Species. A Blood Hound
Murray’s my favorite character kinda but yeah the sly and carmelita relationship definitely makes the game that much more interesting even more so now since her feelings for sly is so much more obvious I just wanna see hopefully in sly 5 how can or if they’ll make this work. I mean will sly turn himself in for a plea bargain? Will camelita give up being a cop to be with sly? Or will nothing be able to happen? Or well they just keep their relationship a secret? I mean it’s really cool to watch cop and a thief fall in love with each other.
Thx for the vid and I think Carmelita will in future games ask Bentley to make a time machine to make it random and she find Sly they make missions to get a new time maskin and when they done they return but new Sly Cooper villians will come and yea I think it will be epic I hope they make a movie and a TV series for sly
We know that Carmelita is a fourth generation member of law enforcement, it would be cool if we got to see some of her ancestors in a future game (Sly 5)
You know VIVI, sanzaru games really opened up a can of worms by making the 4th game ending on a cliffhanger, and still not being resolved basically 6 years late. If it wasn't for that, the series wouldn't be in this predicament it's in now. Cause the ending of the 3rd game was left very open but definitely wasn't a cliffhanger of any sort. I understand that sucker punch wanted to move on from the series after 3, but it probably would've helped things a bit if they were sort of involved with development of thieves in time, like naughty dog with jak and daxter lost frontier. You get what I mean at all?
If it weren't for Sanzaru, we never would've gotten another game period. As for the likeliness of a movie or TV in that case, well perhaps Sony still would've gone with it.
I honestly want more then anything something that makes a better ending to the fame series , and maybe a complete remake of the first games ( maybe the 4th as well )because you know why not ? Remakes have been pumping out like crazy even for Ps exclusive Medevil coming out soon
Vtnvivi, sorry again for another seeming long hiatus form watching sly content on you're channel, but I'm back again. to be honest I'm not sure who may produce a sequel to sly copper thieves in time?. since sanzaru admired they have no intention/plans of making any new sly games. some new questions I have are 1:how much time will have passed when if a sly 4 sequel is made? 2: what will the gang, Carmelite be up to in possible future games since sly was stranded in Egypt in the past? 3:will Penelope even reform at all, or will she just stay evil period. 4:what new ancestors could we meet, eg; sleigh mc Cooper, hariette one- eyed Cooper,also new locations like Scotland, England.
Actually Sanzaru would LOVE to make Sly 5, Sony needs to greenlight. 1. So far it's been 6 years. Wouldn't be surprised if we had to wait til 8 years. 2. Looking for Sly, taking risks for her job at Interpol. 3. I'd imagine her being evil altogether or slowly move towards redemption. 4. Henriette!!!! Give us a female Cooper for once :P The possibilities are up in the air.
Vtnvivi i’m Sorry I wanted to clarify with with #1 what I was asking you was how much time in the games will have passed since the gang and Carmelita have been searching for sly since he was stranded In Egypt after defeating la paradox when they get the green light for sly 5 sorry again
I’ve come up with a story for Carmelita. After months of searching, she finally manages to have some sort of clue as to find Sly. However, she can’t make much progress as a cop. If she wants to look for Sly, she must train herself to become a thief just like Sly by using the Thievius Raccoonus. Once she completed her training, her, Bentley, and Murray would work together to help find Sly.
so VIVI I wanna ask you too, after the December Grand Prix for crash team racing nitro fueled, do you think there will still be more Grand Prixs afterwards or will they finish entirely? I personally think they could still have more of them all the way up until June, the one year anniversary of the game and do something really big then. it would be a great way to end of all the Grand Prixs in general I think! do you agree?
sorry for the late comment I had dinner and CTR to focus on anyway I have a few ideas on carmelitas role in the next if not spin off sly cooper game, involving carmelita going round finding clues to slys were abouts busting crucks as she gose. Among third and first person shooting mechanics we can also throw in some thievies racoonis moves, ninja spire jump, crack shot, ring volt etc. and lets not forget jet pack, charge jump and shock pistol upgrades, and I agree a vihicale will make it more unique like an interpole moter cycle seen in the animated short. Bently and murry could also help from behind the scenes and interpoles back helping carmelita keep her cool why searching for sly. As the story gose on she becomes undone she misses sly she starts taking extrem messures I,E using the thievies racoonis a thieves tool. But thats my idea what do you think?
I imagine Carmelita having bunch of gameplay. As for moves from the Thievius Raccoonus, that would take perhaps years for her to develop. Would she really want to become a thief to a certain extent? Or would she rather temporarily act as a thief and steal an artefact, as an example, needed for the time machine?
@@VtnVivi Its possible I'm only going on carmelita acting out of desperation, takeing an artifact yes maybe but lieing through her teeth about it being evidence to keep interpole off her back, then bently could use for the time mechine yes.
I thought of a character who is a professor in science and technology, who was the head of an industry. He is a bat who wasn't born with wings. His name is Vladimir Sashura, and he is also both Russian and American.
VTNVIVI He would kind of help both sides, either helping Sly or Carmelita. Though he would mostly help Sly out because he did help Vladimir in a event before Sly 2. Vladimir is a good guy, but he makes many mistakes when it comes to his inventions. He does want to help both sides but he just doesn't know if he can be helpful. I think he would help Sly more because he too lost a parent, since he was still a baby. His mother was killed during a car crash, basically he doesn't he know about mother though he wishes he could. But he would want to help Carmelita because he wants to being justice to the world too. Yeah you can tell that he has to make a pretty difficult choice. ...Oh yeah and Carmelita doesn't like him, but he likes her back.
Interesting concept on the spectrum, i wished that one day she would quit Interpol and Sly retires from his work to settle down with her to have a family.
another thing too, I really can't get over how different the upcoming medievil ps4 remake looks compared to the crash and spyro remastered we go in the past few years. it looks like something else although, even though this is only one game and they were both trilogies. you get what I mean at all? ;)
I'd love to see Carmelita's point of view during the next who knows what's changed when sly was gone besides her taking criminals down quickly hopefully in the future we will get our answer
some cops can be dirty sometimes like being criminals themselves like being bought by a crime lord like in Batman series some can go bad and she only joined Sly’s gang for a while in thieves in time only to get back home although it does got me wondering if her ancestor I mentioned before that Tennessee reminds her of got me thinking that what if either of her parents were a criminal once this is just a hunch if she is falling for Sly a criminal I have to guess all of her ancestors on her mothers side are all on the same side of the law and on her fathers side could be criminals once before but Carmelita may be on the side of good but after getting all chummy with sly and his friends I think she could be a potential criminal one day
I could c her starting to mess up as a cop and she eventually gets fired and turns all depressed like Murray In sly 3 looking for the guru. Carmelita then goes to find Bentley and she works with him and Murray to try to find sly. (Possible game ending) Then they find sly bring him back to modern day but clockwerk finds a way in too and they have to stop him Carmelita helps out and gets her job back. What I could c in the game play is that we meet sly’s dad. Le paradox said that his wormhole allows him to control where the person inside is going. So the wormhole is broken so sly is brought to many time periods till he ends up running into his father they go back to his house for dinner sly leaves and realizes it’s the night the fiendish five kill his parents and he returns to late. This sounds like a movie rather than gameplay which is kind of annoying but
These two reminds me of Batman and Catwoman a lot. Why u ask because simple they have the same relations and same concept but different. Sly is catwoman and Carmaleta is batman in a reverse perspective if you can see it. Selena have feelings for Bruce a lot since he always get in danger as Batman because he always have to save gathom often every night. Bruce somewhat loves Selena but he don't want to be in a relationship with her due to the fact that she is a criminal and a villain anti-hero. But in a few issues of the batman comics Bruce is showing more affection twords Selena because he is starting to have more feelings for her and starting not to care if she is a criminal or not. He want to protect her no matter what and where she goes. That is the same relationship that Sly and Camaleta have. Sly loves Carmaleta ever since he first saw her during one of his missions. And the same goes to Carmaleta saw Sly and try to capture him. They are cute together as always. When Sly flirts with her she always denies it. Same thing with Batman since Catwoman always flirts with him and try to win him. See the similarity here folks this was somewhat inspired by them but a bit cartoony. Am I'm the only one seeing this or what for these cute couples?
Here's my prologue of Sly 5 Carmalita busted a band of criminals and when she exits the building she spots a ancient artifact that bears a cane which is related to Sly so she takes the artifact to Bentley and Murray (as evidence to the crime) and they believe that Sly is in Ancient Egypt then they put the artifact in the time machine and travel back in time to get sly back
@@VtnVivi well since Le Paradox's blimp transported Sly to Ancient Egypt and whatever happens in the past gets shown in the future, the artifact could be a urn, a weapon, jewellery, or pottery that is related to the same era "Funny how things work sometimes."
But also VIVI you know what I find really weird about the sly series in general? Murray is the only one of the 4 main characters who has never narrated a comic book type cutscene. Have you noticed that at all? Cause sly obvious does a lot of them, Bentley did a few in 2, ending of 3 and 4. And camerlita did 2 in 4. Do you think that's weird at all? I really think Murray deserves his own narrated cutscene!
I think you should be in charge of the next Sly Cooper game. In my fan-made story of Sly 5, when Sly comes back home with the gang, he starts to doubt if he is really a good friend by looking back at what he put Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita through and wondering about the words Penelope and Dr. M said to him. He begins falling apart from his repressed feelings, but the others manage to comfort him and he gets back in the swing of things. What do you think?
Actually, what you're saying right now could have started when Sly was dealing with Paradox in Sly 4. Remember when Sly had to quickly follow le Paradox on the blimp? His response was ''I know me too'', perhaps starting to question how he treated the people he loved. I might analyze that scene eventually! By the way, you are too kind! Thank you :)
Thankfully Sanzaru Games said that they have been thinking of and creating many ideas for a new Sly game, and have said if we want more we gotta slam Sony to allow it and make another. Gotta get more Carmelita!
@@VtnVivi Canadian Guy Eh made a video and highlighted in a stream that a dev at Sanzaru stated they'd definitely be up to making a new game, they just need that Sony approval.
I know this is farfetched but what if Sly 5 starts with the gang gets an old letter from Sly like what happened in back to the future 3 where doc Brown was sent back to the old west and manage to send a letter to Marty McFly
Here are my thoughts on what'd happen with Carmelita in either _Sly Cooper 5_ or her own standalone *spin-off game* -- After about an hour-and-a-half of interrogating Cyrille LeParadox inside INTERPOL headquarters in Paris with little headway, Carmelita is called into her boss' office for *evaluation* on her capabilities as Chief Inspector, during which they discuss as to why she apparently hasn't apprehended Sly yet (the way *_they_* want it to be done, in her thoughts), to which she replies that he's *M.I.A.** at the moment. However, her boss doesn't believe her, and states that, without concrete evidence, they can't prosecute LeParadox for Sly's "murder" in court and that she might be lacking in her professional skills as an officer, only to then hear a cry of *"Objection!"* from Carmelita, _Ace Attorney_ style (hence the *titular speech bubble* onscreen), arguing that all but two of the other officers aren't looking into Sly's disappearance like they're supposed to. Her boss then counters with that her *presonal obsession with Sly* could jeopardize her career and orders her to continue the interrogtion, to which Carmelita retaliates by doing the unthinkable! She turns in her badge as a *dishonorable resignation* until further notice, but her boss steps out completely of line and *illegally suspends her* from the force until further notice (pending investigation), to which two of her new partners object to this and argue with the chief while Carmelita angrily storms out of the office in tears. One even comments, *"Now you've done it, Boss."* Afterwards, in the reception lobby, Carmelita's partners walk up to her to tell her the bad news -- she has been *illegally demoted* to constable, to which she breaks down, crying. Her partners comfort her, saying that they'll get more info on Sly's disappearance any way they can on their end while she looks for Sly himself on hers', and Carmelita then walks out, giving them a tearful *"Thank you"* on her way out of the building. Meanwhile in the parking lot outside, Bentley and Murray are waiting in the *getaway truck** until they see Carmelita walking up to them. She explains the situation to them, to which they immediately sympathize with her. Carmelita also tells them that her partners will do what they can on looking for potential clues for Sly's whereabouts, as well as help them look for Sly, much to their surprise. They then leave the parking lot (Bentley and Murray in the van, Carmelita in her *sports car*)* and set out to find Sly by any means neccesary. Unbeknownst to the three, however, her boss was looking at them through his office window and calls for *two undercover agents* to follow them, as well as track Carmelita's movement and report back her activities if needed, effectively turning her into a *rogue agent.* -- Edit(s): • "M.I.A." = *Missing in Action.* • The Cooper Gang's getaway van would be modelled off of a fictionalized, heavily-modified and heavily-armored *2002 Ford E-350 Super Duty* *4x4 7.3L PowerStroke V8 Turbo Diesel extended-length dually cargo truck (under license)* with a turret-mounted *.50-caliber armor-piercing* *Browning M2 machine gun* on the roof outfitted with both a *front **_and_** rear shield.* • Carmelita's police sports car would also be modelled off of a modified *2003 Chevrolet Corvette [C5] Z/06 (also under license).* • The scene inside Carmelita's boss' office may be a parellel reference to the *resignation scene* in the James Bond movie *_License to Kill_* *(1989),* as well as with world-famous prosecutor *Miles Edgeworth* in the spin-off game *_Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth -_* *_Prosecutor's Path_** (2011; Japan only).*
Sorry guys but i'm not english so who can make for me a recap of this video pls ? I don't know if he say in his video but who have a news for the animated serie ? Ps: please help a french fan of sly
Le but de la video est en fait les missions que Carmelita pourrait avoir dans le prochain jeu. Quel role va-t-elle jouer? Je sens qu'elle va avoir plus de responsabilites. Desole mon clavier est en Anglais.
@@VtnVivi merci beaucoup, tu parles français couramment ou tu as traduit ? Do you have a news for the animated serie who supposed to come in october ? I searched everywhere but no French speaks about it
If you want an Idea for the Next Sly game, here 1. || || || || || \/ So with Sly stuck in the Pass and the Gang in the Present, I have 1 question that make a story idea likely, why was LeParadox going to Egypt in the first place, My answer is that there are still Allies that LeParadox have in Egypt that sly will being messing with until he gets finds something that can alert Bentley or Carmelita of his location. My idea is that the people who made LeParadox a better criminal are the group in Egypt and have there own plans of reshaping the pass then LeParadox did, which can be easily take over and rule Egypt with a fake replacement Pharaoh, So we have a big Mafia with a lot of disguised weapons in the past controlling all of Egypt and also doing LeParadox a favour and trying to find Sly assister which should be Slytunkhamen the Third at his roots. Ideas of a Leader be a new Bull like Mafia Boss, and even have Muggshot as his first line saying after breaking out of prison, he also broke many Mafia goons out and was given a spot in the Mafia as their "Fire"man who keep an eye on there weapons and teach skilled firing to new recruits. Fun Idea. More Ideas out there, the more reason not to make a Sly game.
Imagine if Carmelita, out of fear of not seeing Sly again during the climax of the fourth game revealed to him that she was pregnant with his kid the whole time. She would say this as a means of giving Sly incentive to come back. Whether or not she's telling the truth, only Sly would know the answer.
sounds like a great idea, for Carmelita to play a big role in sly5 but looking at it as a developer or a writer i think this series is really difficult and easy to ruin the story. but since you play sly series and have a lot of knowledge you may be able to give them a idea if they ever decide to make a sly5 game but that's not likely to happen no time soon. I hope your right about the playstation productions every since that release date pass i lost faith in this franchise a long time ago.
I just ran into her at Roy's party. She thought I was Sly in that bodyguards disguise. She had a strong grip on me. but i have no feelings for her. Whoever gets in my way between me and Shiv, will suffer! especially you Sly Cooper\ dad. so don't even think of trying to stop me! you can't defeat me.
I hope so it's been 6 years since me and the gang were waiting like the same year when after 5 years later or 5 hours of having Scott stuck in the "Quantam Realm" until a rat turned on the machine
VTNVIVI people like you need bigger channels (due to fanstastic theories and ideas) and be hired as STORY DEVELOPER (seriously and i mean that becouse if you could make a Sky Cooper games it would be a 10/10)
Yea you would great at it man . You could actually make a sly 5 game better than sly 2.
Too kind!!!!! I think what makes a story great is NOT to have too many questions get asked with the writing. Questions that leave fans wondering about the story? That one can be interesting if done right, fan theories exist for that reason. Making sure your writing makes sense and is intriguing is what matters, pacing is also important!
1. Don't undermine character development
2. Write something that flows well and makes sense.
3. Make it appealing.
That's the mindset I'd have as a writer.
@@VtnVivi by the way about your clockwork theory about Penelope going to find clockwork would it not be easier if Penelope found those clockwork blueprints in cario to build clockwork instead of going through time. Remember in a cutscene in sly 2 they were blueprints on how to build clockwork . And they are probably still there .
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And 3 are all true that's also the mindset I have as a story creator/writer
☝ *"HOLD IT!"* ☝
- *Miles Edgeworth*
Why's Sly's name *misspelled as **_"Sky?"_*
Personally I've always saw Carmelita as my love interest rather than my nemesis and I hope to see her again real soon.
Sly Cooper Well I think that this is a love hate relationship
@@1Soniccool Oh you mean like when she says she hates me she actually loves me 😆
@@slycooper4506 Ah yeah, now that's the Sly Cooper we all know and love, hope Carm finds you soon you handsome rouge. 😆
Nah, Angela from RaC 2 is an example of a bland love interest, Carmelita is a key character which is very deep and strongly acts on Sly's developement
@@bigvibesyo412 well actually she's from Spain but also yes they make great mother's and they can cook and they're not afraid to call you papi.
Flashback to being confused as to why her voice changes after every game
Sparx from The Legend of Spyro series has the same problem too.
I like her *American voice* from *"Sly 2: Band of Thieves" (2004)* the most.
The way *Alesia Glidewell* played the voice for Carmelita was spot-on!
Well Sly 4's ending did open up a chance for Carmelita to have her own solo adventure xD
Oh for sure!!!! At least deeper character development!
@@VtnVivi Or maybe even a *spin-off game* that takes place immediately after _Sly 4,_ with Carmelita standing center stage.
He's obsessed with me
She's obsessed with me
Their so cute together
Goals
**They're*
Those thought lines from both Sly and Carmelita were from *issue 1* of the short-lived *_Adventures of Sly Cooper_** comic books (2004-2005).*
I love how in sly 4 she acknowledges that sly does believe in Justice but just on the opposit side of the law
Character development right there!
The only problem is that we'll probably never get the next game, which we deserve.
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I was thinking about her crossing the line in a different way. Like crossing the line to the cryminal activity. What if the gang decides the only person that could help them, and to whom they have access to , who knew the blimp and the potential coordinates... was Le Paradox, but he only agrees to help if they get him out of jail and give his "art collector" renoma back. And Carmelita actually follows with this plan using her connections and knowlage of interpol to cover it up. Breaking into jail could be even the opening mission. Imagine how much that could show how much Sly means to her, even more than her moral code of justice, that just to have a chance of saving him she would betray the law that she values so much and built her whole life on. And could give her a mental punching bag in person of the guy who is resposible for this whole mess. Imagine her trying no to kill that skunk. Heck imagine the rest of the gang trying not to kill that skunk. Could lead to some nice comedy.
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Also I am bias because I want Le Paradox to be developed as a character and be redeemed, let me show you my 10 step plan and finished script for the 5th game and/or the 5th season of the TV show, it all starts.......
Another interesting scenario!
Dude, Deep.
Could happen to depending on the Dev team who want to tackle this idea. When they do you should tell them
**Criminal*
@@VtnVivi Or maybe -- like with *James Bond (Timothy Dalton)* in *"License to Kill" (1989),* her *earlier spat with Neyla (Alesia Glidewell)* in *"Sly 2: Band of Thieves" (2004)* and *Miles Edgeworth* in *"Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth - Prosecoutor's Path" (2011; Japan only)* -- ...Carmelita *dishonorably resigns* from INTERPOL until further notice, only to then become a *rogue agent* shortly afterwards when she joins the gang to find Sly.
Two Sly Cooper videos in a week!! Love that
:p
Carmelita’s my favourite Sly character too!
Yey!
**Favorite* 🇺🇸
As for her future well I don't have a crystal ball but I see me in a tux and her in a wedding dress.
I would love for you and Carmelita getting married and starting a family!
Honestly, I definitely would love to see Carmelita as the main character for Sly 5. Hell, I even came up with a catchy title; Sly V: Fox Hunt!
Carmelita deserves her own full fledged gameplay!
I love this woman so much.💙🦊
The first trilogy talked about reputation. With what you proposed, the new theme will involve alignment and principles, Grey areas of morality. To witness Carmalita struggle with her two sides will provide an interesting story, only if they do it right
Absolutely!
That's Deep
Indeed. She has two sides: Her allegiance to Interpol as a by the book cop and the love she has for Sly. The story will have to show, at least in the end, which she will prize more.
Carmelita coped with the loss of Sly by channeling her grief and frustration onto other criminals. Not a healthy way, by any means. It will tear her apart. Saw it happen to some people, and most contemplated suicide
You are a hard core fan of these beautiful games, aren't you? You keep posting videos about these games. I'm sure one day it will get a sequel buddy. I feel sad that the developers stop the greatest games and goes chasing money. I loved Sly series, Ratchet series(not stopped untill now and thats a relief), Jak and daxter, The Getaway franchise. And such other Playstation exclusives.
I am :D Thank you for sharing!
If Carm and Sly find a way back to each other, then I can die in piece.
She could temporarily fill sly's role with the gang to help get Sly back.That would be an awesome game
For sure! But she has to be careful :)
@@VtnVivi *Damn it!* I was about to say exactly that!
Anyway, like with F.B.I. Special Agents *Dana Scully (Gillian Anderson)* and *Fox Mulder (David Duchovny)* in the episodes *"Anasazi" (S2, E25),* *"The Blessing Way" (S3, E1)* and *"Paper Clip" (S3, E2)* from *"The X-Files" (1993-2002; 2016-2018),* Carmelita could be *suspended from INTERPOL (International Criminal Police Organization),* pending investigation,* until further notice... only to then *go rogue* shortly afterwards, similar to *James Bond (Timothy Dalton)* in the movie *"License to Kill" (1989),* where he becomes a rogue agent after *M (Robert Brown)* goes too far by wrongfully suspending Bond and revoking his *license to kill* (hence the title), when all Bond did was tender his leave of absence for a few days to find drug lord *Franz Sanchez (Robert Davi)* for the maiming and attempted murder of his C.I.A. turned D.E.A. friend *Felix Leiter (David Hedison)* with a *Carcharodon carcharis (Great White Shark)* with help from C.I.A. contract pilot *Pam Bouvier (Carey Lowell)* and *Q (Desmond Llewelyn).*
Either way, if her superiors at INTERPOL found out that Carmeluta had a thing for Sly, she would likely get fired with little to no chance of reinstatement.
If by some miracle we get a Sly 5, I think Carmelita should definitely take the role as the main character, at least until Sly is found. For one thing, it just feels like the proper evolution of her role in the games. From a bit of a side character in 1, to the one that finally destroyed Clockwerk in 2, to actually being playable at points in 3, to being a more prominent playable character in 4, to being the main character at least for a bit in a hypothetical 5. It would also work pretty well this way because if anyone is going to take Sly's place until he's found, Carmelita is best suited for that role being one of the only characters on par with him.
I'd imagine Carmelita playing a big role at least until Sly's found in the fifth game.
"Oil Floats On Water."
Best thing I've ever heard! 😂😄😁👍
Hehe :P
VTNVIVI 😂😄😁👍
I have a little story I made up The Cooper Clan it's not the only one to have a family history the fox family (think of it as the Brotherhood of Assassins versus the order of the ancients AKA Templars if you played Assassin's Creed) Carmina Fox has a family book call the foxy's diary but she never read it she just kept it under Lock and Key and super surveillance and security but she didn't know that it hold many secrets and talents passed down by her ancestors that could have been useful to capturing Sly and the Cooper gang and many other criminals and her shock pistol has some features she didn't know about also she is replace by a corrupted Bounty Hunter who is the new villain who is after Sly Cooper who he believes is in hiding and not missing but he also can't have her interfere with his work.
In one of Vivi's videos, Carmelita is the fourth generation of her family being in law enforcement. I'm not sure if your story and previous statements would match up really well.
@@Princess36621 I was just trying to have a little fun
@@noahdean9685 Great analogy/Story
**Carmelita*
A little cliché, but possible.
I love your sly cooper videos! :3
Aww thank you!
Don’t worry Vivi I’m running for president in 2036 which is when I will be eligible, I will make sure a Sly 5 will happen
Plz do it
Nic Anastasi oh I will my only concern is I hope the normal voice actors will still be alive at that time
You get my vote.
Thank you for being one of the few people that still makes videos on Sly Cooper
Trying my best :P
Now that you mention it we don’t know much about carmelita’s origins. They could make a game or series only with her storyline of how she was born and her development as a character and how she knew sly throughout the years and also make scenes with little details that can be more private for them and weren’t told in the sly’s games so we can have all the full gossip between them😂😍
As long as we get more on Carm I'm up for it!
You mean a *spin-off game or series?*
In my Sly 5 story, i pictured her working with Bentley and Murray, taking over Slys role on the team in order to save Sly and stopping Penelope by sneaking around. However after this video I can see her having game mechanics that fit her personality like using her gun to distract enemies or break objects in her way or to find collectible or be used in shooting sections similar to Murray fighting sections.
Sony here's a amazing idea from a fan make this into freaking game and hire this man as your main story creator . He knows how to make a good story for sly Cooper . I really want a stand alone Carmelita game now that's to you ! I appreciate you making these videos .
No problem! Your comment means so much :D
You mean a *spin-off?*
Wow this is the best video I've ever saw on your channel. Of course after the one about her and Sly's relationship.
And so agree that Carmelita evolved greatly in the games. As SlyXCarmelita is one of my favorite couples in videogames.
Her role became so important, SO important as she is part of the gang. Those situations about put the work in the line for those you love is a topic I really like and get too interested in the development.
It would be awesome if in a new game they could make her playable among missions, even a section where she chases some criminals across the city using her motorcycle and gun to shoot at the things the criminals throw to her.
Also to see how she deals her relationship with Sly and how far she is willing to go to get him back.
Great video!
Thank you so much!!!!!!
Carmelita: does something
Garen: *THANK YOU SONY FOR GREENLIGHTING SPY 5 FOR PS5*
In a nutshell yes hehehe
Those noises and intro... ugh!! Your playing with my nostalgia!!
:P
Hearing what you said about a potential game for Carmelita and how she might have to go 'outside' her usual morals...
Reminded me of the opening act to *Sam and Max The Devil's Playhouse - They Stole Max's Brain.*
Those that have played the episode know what I'm talking about.
I hope someone will make a sly cooper game in dreams. It will be cool too if main character will be Carmelita. This story could be told from her perspective from beginning.
The story I'm always thought is the that sly cooper got blasted through time and fragments of him are torn across time as well. The main objective of this came would to find his fragments and put them together. The story can add multiple ways of and new boss fights such as having to defeat dark sly and sly himself creating clockwork himself
Honestly now that you mention it, I'd love the 5th game to be from her perspective. Also I hope you get hired in writing the story for sly 5,like this was beautiful man 😭😭😭😭❤
That means so much :D
Probably a stupid question to ask but what was the reason for the changes of voice for that character every game? It just seem like an odd transition done weirdly, each voice don't connect to the other.
I don’t think they’re able to keep the same VO for an ongoing contract; that’s what I think.
Probably because they weren't available
That might be a possible reason, and all voices and accents sound different each time.
Well lucky i got same vi
voices in danish hehe
Contracts and availability I suppose.
Nobody:
Vivi: Mortarcycle
Yes
A motorcycle with a 100mm mortar
File that under unintentionally great ideas
You've shared some great thoughts on the future of Carmelita Montoya Fox. I too think that the next Sly game should put a greater emphasis on Carmelita's point of view regarding events. Now I wish Sony would stop sitting on the Sly franchise and let developers like Sucker Punch or Sanzaru finish the story, for pete's sake!
Tell me about it!
I would LOVE to see some cutscenes narrated by Carmelita, I want to see more from her perspective
Absolutely!
5 years later still waiting for sly 5 and we're getting a tv show. It's probaly not gonna even go off of the cliffhanger they left us on
The show will start from the beginning of the franchise for sure! The purpose would be to garner a NEW audience mainly.
Yea, having a side game with Carmelita as the MC of it does sound interesting. It could be around the time after Sly's disappearance and then tie in a clue as to what happened to Sly for the gang. then lead into the next full Sly Cooper game if they needed to do that. They just need to end it where there's some kind of "Happily Ever After" vibe, not that kind of Cliff Hanger!
I’m 100% all for Carmelita having larger roles & more importance in the future of the series. She is my favorite character after all.
Awesome!
I didn’t really catch on they were into each other until sly 3 when sly plainly said he had a thing for her I thought it was just flirty chitchat and banter but nothing serious but now i see it is and it made the sly story even more interesting it just really cool how each game sly and camelita relationship progressed throughout the series from completely hiding it, to showing ehh a little bit in sly 2 champagne then sly 3 you know at least sly is into her for sure, then 4 comes along it’s just full fledged relationship I’m in love with you I care deeply about you. Even sly wasn’t even playing around anymore he was legit caring hoping she’s ok etc.
I know right :D
Iyeeee.. Uh I feel Like Sly is in Egypt or some part of there. Yeah Carmelita, Bentley & Murray are gonna be a team & try to find Sly in particular. Carmelita may get put on probation, so she decides that she should join along with them to find him. Then they may end up really taking relationship things seriously. She still loves him, he loves her & I love them both.
I also agree with a game from her perspective & playing as just her throiyghout the whole thing.
, this idea is so great that everyone in this community for Sly Cooper and anyone who watched his video should email to the writers themselves to push for this idea and make them come out where we have both sides of the story before the series end for good. We should at least get a one story arc where it is focused mainly on, Dita. She deserves that with all the help and involvement she has had throughout the game series. Let's push this idea to the writers and producers!
Means a lot you like the idea :D
Carmelita fox future story:
I say she should have a who game to herself.
She and the cooper gang meet up for exchange on sky possible time era. There are a few simple missions to deal with but then the information comes that sly is trapped in Egypt and the only thing that could take them there is a very fragile item and Interpol is watching Carmelita like a Hawk because of her recent action telling her that she has to protect it at all costs or be fired. There will be a showdown between Bentley and Carmelita because they both have lost one they loved. And near the end of the showdown Carmelita’s badge falls off. The chose comes up. Put it on or toss it?
Then the story will split.
Put it on Carmelita will win the showdown but Interpool saw her hesitant and gives her a mandatory vacation which causes the item to be taken away and Carmelita arriving at the hideout just before they leave.
The other way. Carmelita throws her badge away. Shocking everyone and revealing it’s a fake.
Now on the run for her own gain she will help the gang get the real item.
And then the finale mission is sneaking into the prison and getting the gang back together and escaping to Egypt in the past. But they arrive at the same time but different areas. A piece of paper gets sent out by the night breeze and sly grabs it. To reveal a wanted poster of Carmelita Fox. The game ends with a divided screen with both looking out over the sand unknown they are actually looking in each other’s direction. The camera. Zooms out showing the two dots. And then fades to black.
The game will show Carmelita enteral war between love and justice while she falls towards the person justice side. And eventually is betrayed by her boss or she quits.
And in sly 5 they do missions switching back and forth until they reunite. But before the ending of the Carmelita side game it is shown that’s she’s holding her own wanted poster.
That sounds like a good game idea!
Ooooo I loved reading this!!!!! Thank you for sharing :)
Which part did you like?
The irony is not lost on me that an anthromorphic character from a kids game is required to set a standard for interpol
I would like to get a game focused on her more or fully on her too
I am hoping that if they can get Sly back and put things back the way they were, Sly and Carmelita will go back to being a couple again ... though with the way the 4th game happened, I get the feeling that it would most likely be on Sly's side of the law ... or probably back to how it was before the end of the 3rd game where it was good old fashion cops and robbers, kind of like an open ended ending like how Ratchet & Clank: A Crack In Time ended where it left room for more sequels but there didn't necessarily need to be anymore sequels.
Awesome video!
Thank you!
VTNVIVI no problem your the best youtuber ever!
Her trying to balancing loving a thief and her job sounds like a potential for a multiple choice type game like in Heavy Rain or DBH (both games are crime thrillers) and the player can decide which interrogation tactic to go with, what path to take, whom to question, where her loyalty stance, and if she wants to continue the relationship.
I do wonder if Sly was pardoned for his crimes since before the events of the fourth game, he was hanging out with her so openly. Like, the threat of his capture is gone.
The threat of his capture was gone due to her feelings :)
I absolutely want a Sly 5! And if we get even more missions with Carmelita, I could totally see her being kinda/sorta being like the Catwoman of the group, albeit reversed.
You'd be surprised what love can do to a person. It can drive them to take...dangerous turns. Or need I remind everyone of a certain Dutch mouse...?
Are you gonna do a video about if Sly & Carmelita had a kid in the future? He/she could save Sly with the Cooper gang's help with his/her own time machine without the need of an item.
I'll think about it.
I would like Carmelita to get more Gameplay in Sly Cooper 5 and Potential Future Games. For her mechanics in gameplay, we should equip her kick-boxing skills while pressing the Square Button and we can still have her use her shock pistol and we should give her missions in Sly Cooper 5. I do like the idea that Carmelita struggling with her frustration on the loss of Sly and her emotions on how she misses Sly, Bentley and Carmelita interrogating Le Paradox about Sly's whereabouts: Bentley Good Cop and Carmelita Bad Cop, and Carmelita going to Interpol by herself during the events of Sly 5 helping the gang. Like I said for The "Another Way" video to get Sly out of Ancient Egypt before the fight with Le Paradox, Sly would snatch one of the communication devices that allows him to contact the gang where or when he travels so he can contact Bentley and maybe Carmelita would pick up the device. I wish we get Sly Cooper stand-alone games in the future. We should get a Sly Cooper Game focusing on Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita. I would call those Sly Cooper Stand-Alone Games: Bentley: A Sly Cooper Story, Murray: A Sly Cooper Story, and Carmelita: A Sly Cooper Story as an inspiration from the Star Wars Stand-Alone Films following the canon era for Rogue One and Solo. I would explore Sly's Parents, The Orphanage, the Night of the attack, and Sly's Dad's Thieving Days in Sly Cooper 5 including the reason on why Clockwerk hated The Coopers
Since the series ain't that big like AAA, I'd imagine spin-off comics for our characters.
at this point in the series I think a side installment which would put the entire focus on Carmelita's perspective would be a great idea and necessary for those who don't have access to the Sly cooper comic series so they get to understand Carmelita's motivations more as a character because out of all the characters so far, Carmelita is probably the most important character who we know very little about.
She is very important at this point especially when it comes to finding Sly.
@@VtnVivi let's hope they actually DO something with it and don't let it die like this.
I would consider both ends of that spectrum in the beginning to have principles, just different ones.
I think Carmelita will be working both sides in the future, like after sly returns home in sly 5 (hopefully that will happen soon) sly 6 will have sly and Carmelita back together and working in interpol again but Carmelita will secretly give missions to sly, cases led by a lot of big name thieves in different locations around the world, ones that can only be solved by a master thief and sly and his friends are the ones to put the bad guys away to help get the job done and maybe get a share of the fortune too 💰😉
But with you talking about that Vi. 7:27 got me thinking, what if Carmelita choose to leave interpool and just freelance?.
That would cause a lot thinking in her mind, especially if they were to find out that she loves Sly in Sly 5, it would be a choice thing, and them forcing her to choose.
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If they were to, there can be gameplay, based on Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita working together to try and find Sly, but from different perspectives.
I would love to see more gameplay from Carmelita's perspective with trying to find Sly with her resources in and out of Interpol, and moving along with the narrative, but of course gameplay with Sly trying to find a way back home.
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Bentley and Murray can travel around the world finding different pieces that lead to time periods to try and find Sly, I know it's cliche,
But with Bentley's Smarts, it would be worth it, besides if you had a friend that was stuck in some time period, wouldn't you hop in to every time period you could think of, and try to pin point were the could be?.
And #InFavorOfPants
#InFavorOfPants #FreeSlyFromEgypt Nice scenarios you brought up!
@@VtnVivi thanks, I'm just saying "Freelance", it could work and adding on to 2. What if a new character can be brought in that Carmelita knows outside of interpol.
Species.
A Blood Hound
Murray’s my favorite character kinda but yeah the sly and carmelita relationship definitely makes the game that much more interesting even more so now since her feelings for sly is so much more obvious I just wanna see hopefully in sly 5 how can or if they’ll make this work. I mean will sly turn himself in for a plea bargain? Will camelita give up being a cop to be with sly? Or will nothing be able to happen? Or well they just keep their relationship a secret? I mean it’s really cool to watch cop and a thief fall in love with each other.
For sure!!!!
If/when the Sly Cooper Trilogy is remade, I'd love to see a Carmelita side story as an add on: seeing her side of the story across Sly's adventures.
That'd be cool :D
@@VtnVivi Thanks. Hell, I'd enjoy it even more if they added segments that have you shooting at Sly, like how she did in the original trilogy.
Thx for the vid and I think Carmelita will in future games ask Bentley to make a time machine to make it random and she find Sly they make missions to get a new time maskin and when they done they return but new Sly Cooper villians will come and yea I think it will be epic I hope they make a movie and a TV series for sly
We hope so too!
I can imagine a game with her it would be amazing which will be pretty cool
We know that Carmelita is a fourth generation member of law enforcement, it would be cool if we got to see some of her ancestors in a future game (Sly 5)
YES!
You know VIVI, sanzaru games really opened up a can of worms by making the 4th game ending on a cliffhanger, and still not being resolved basically 6 years late. If it wasn't for that, the series wouldn't be in this predicament it's in now. Cause the ending of the 3rd game was left very open but definitely wasn't a cliffhanger of any sort. I understand that sucker punch wanted to move on from the series after 3, but it probably would've helped things a bit if they were sort of involved with development of thieves in time, like naughty dog with jak and daxter lost frontier. You get what I mean at all?
If it weren't for Sanzaru, we never would've gotten another game period. As for the likeliness of a movie or TV in that case, well perhaps Sony still would've gone with it.
I honestly want more then anything something that makes a better ending to the fame series , and maybe a complete remake of the first games ( maybe the 4th as well )because you know why not ? Remakes have been pumping out like crazy even for Ps exclusive Medevil coming out soon
I'd love a reboot of Sly 1 with Sly 2-4 style of gameplay. But first, I want them to wrap up time travel and rescue Sly.
I agree with you. I would love to play as her and deal with her feelings.
Glad you agree!
That would be nice i just want something sly related to happen fast new game, show , movie, etc
I feel ya!
I love that part😂 3:26
hehe :P
Vtnvivi, sorry again for another seeming long hiatus form watching sly content on you're channel, but I'm back again. to be honest I'm not sure who may produce a sequel to sly copper thieves in time?. since sanzaru admired they have no intention/plans of making any new sly games.
some new questions I have are
1:how much time will have passed when if a sly 4 sequel is made?
2: what will the gang, Carmelite be up to in possible future games since sly was stranded in Egypt in the past?
3:will Penelope even reform at all, or will she just stay evil period.
4:what new ancestors could we meet, eg; sleigh mc Cooper, hariette one- eyed Cooper,also new locations like Scotland, England.
Actually Sanzaru would LOVE to make Sly 5, Sony needs to greenlight.
1. So far it's been 6 years. Wouldn't be surprised if we had to wait til 8 years.
2. Looking for Sly, taking risks for her job at Interpol.
3. I'd imagine her being evil altogether or slowly move towards redemption.
4. Henriette!!!! Give us a female Cooper for once :P The possibilities are up in the air.
Vtnvivi i’m Sorry I wanted to clarify with with #1 what I was asking you was how much time in the games will have passed since the gang and Carmelita have been searching for sly since he was stranded In Egypt after defeating la paradox when they get the green light for sly 5 sorry again
@@kelleninouye4815 Hmm...That I don't know. The sooner the gang find Sly the better :p
I laugh when I read that 2:34🤣
Same here!
I’ve come up with a story for Carmelita. After months of searching, she finally manages to have some sort of clue as to find Sly. However, she can’t make much progress as a cop. If she wants to look for Sly, she must train herself to become a thief just like Sly by using the Thievius Raccoonus. Once she completed her training, her, Bentley, and Murray would work together to help find Sly.
I'd imagine her stealing an artefact needed to power up the time machine!
What the heck is this, *"The X-Files" (1993-2002; 2016-2018)* mixed in with the James Bond movie *"License to Kill" (1989)?*
so VIVI I wanna ask you too, after the December Grand Prix for crash team racing nitro fueled, do you think there will still be more Grand Prixs afterwards or will they finish entirely? I personally think they could still have more of them all the way up until June, the one year anniversary of the game and do something really big then. it would be a great way to end of all the Grand Prixs in general I think! do you agree?
I feel they could take a break after December. They could go back to Spyro and bring Ripto!
sorry for the late comment I had dinner and CTR to focus on anyway I have a few ideas on carmelitas role in the next if not spin off sly cooper game, involving carmelita going round finding clues to slys were abouts busting crucks as she gose.
Among third and first person shooting mechanics we can also throw in some thievies racoonis moves, ninja spire jump, crack shot, ring volt etc. and lets not forget jet pack, charge jump and shock pistol upgrades, and I agree a vihicale will make it more unique like an interpole moter cycle seen in the animated short.
Bently and murry could also help from behind the scenes and interpoles back helping carmelita keep her cool why searching for sly.
As the story gose on she becomes undone she misses sly she starts taking extrem messures I,E using the thievies racoonis a thieves tool.
But thats my idea what do you think?
I imagine Carmelita having bunch of gameplay. As for moves from the Thievius Raccoonus, that would take perhaps years for her to develop. Would she really want to become a thief to a certain extent? Or would she rather temporarily act as a thief and steal an artefact, as an example, needed for the time machine?
@@VtnVivi Its possible I'm only going on carmelita acting out of desperation, takeing an artifact yes maybe but lieing through her teeth about it being evidence to keep interpole off her back, then bently could use for the time mechine yes.
I thought of a character who is a professor in science and technology, who was the head of an industry. He is a bat who wasn't born with wings. His name is Vladimir Sashura, and he is also both Russian and American.
What role would he play?
VTNVIVI
He would kind of help both sides, either helping Sly or Carmelita. Though he would mostly help Sly out because he did help Vladimir in a event before Sly 2. Vladimir is a good guy, but he makes many mistakes when it comes to his inventions. He does want to help both sides but he just doesn't know if he can be helpful. I think he would help Sly more because he too lost a parent, since he was still a baby. His mother was killed during a car crash, basically he doesn't he know about mother though he wishes he could. But he would want to help Carmelita because he wants to being justice to the world too. Yeah you can tell that he has to make a pretty difficult choice. ...Oh yeah and Carmelita doesn't like him, but he likes her back.
If could be Improvement
Interesting concept on the spectrum, i wished that one day she would quit Interpol and Sly retires from his work to settle down with her to have a family.
Or that Carmelita becomes a thief
another thing too, I really can't get over how different the upcoming medievil ps4 remake looks compared to the crash and spyro remastered we go in the past few years. it looks like something else although, even though this is only one game and they were both trilogies. you get what I mean at all? ;)
Well in terms of differences, it's only one game and objects have been moved around.
Agh such a nostalgic game
K guys I'm brb when this game will (again) be famous
I'd love to see Carmelita's point of view during the next who knows what's changed when sly was gone besides her taking criminals down quickly hopefully in the future we will get our answer
I hope so! #FreeSlyFromEgypt
some cops can be dirty sometimes like being criminals themselves like being bought by a crime lord like in Batman series some can go bad and she only joined Sly’s gang for a while in thieves in time only to get back home although it does got me wondering if her ancestor I mentioned before that Tennessee reminds her of got me thinking that what if either of her parents were a criminal once this is just a hunch if she is falling for Sly a criminal I have to guess all of her ancestors on her mothers side are all on the same side of the law and on her fathers side could be criminals once before but Carmelita may be on the side of good but after getting all chummy with sly and his friends I think she could be a potential criminal one day
Only time and sanzaru can tell that.
PlayStation must make a Carmelita Fox game of her life story keep up the good work
Thank you!
Know its off topic but i would love a Tennessee kid cooper game love that character
I imagine a story about the best Interpol agent to ever exist
I could c her starting to mess up as a cop and she eventually gets fired and turns all depressed like Murray In sly 3 looking for the guru. Carmelita then goes to find Bentley and she works with him and Murray to try to find sly. (Possible game ending) Then they find sly bring him back to modern day but clockwerk finds a way in too and they have to stop him Carmelita helps out and gets her job back.
What I could c in the game play is that we meet sly’s dad. Le paradox said that his wormhole allows him to control where the person inside is going. So the wormhole is broken so sly is brought to many time periods till he ends up running into his father they go back to his house for dinner sly leaves and realizes it’s the night the fiendish five kill his parents and he returns to late.
This sounds like a movie rather than gameplay which is kind of annoying but
Thanks for sharing your take on it!
These two reminds me of Batman and Catwoman a lot. Why u ask because simple they have the same relations and same concept but different. Sly is catwoman and Carmaleta is batman in a reverse perspective if you can see it. Selena have feelings for Bruce a lot since he always get in danger as Batman because he always have to save gathom often every night. Bruce somewhat loves Selena but he don't want to be in a relationship with her due to the fact that she is a criminal and a villain anti-hero. But in a few issues of the batman comics Bruce is showing more affection twords Selena because he is starting to have more feelings for her and starting not to care if she is a criminal or not. He want to protect her no matter what and where she goes. That is the same relationship that Sly and Camaleta have. Sly loves Carmaleta ever since he first saw her during one of his missions. And the same goes to Carmaleta saw Sly and try to capture him. They are cute together as always. When Sly flirts with her she always denies it. Same thing with Batman since Catwoman always flirts with him and try to win him. See the similarity here folks this was somewhat inspired by them but a bit cartoony. Am I'm the only one seeing this or what for these cute couples?
Here's my prologue of Sly 5 Carmalita busted a band of criminals and when she exits the building she spots a ancient artifact that bears a cane which is related to Sly so she takes the artifact to Bentley and Murray (as evidence to the crime) and they believe that Sly is in Ancient Egypt then they put the artifact in the time machine and travel back in time to get sly back
That artefact would have to be the right one!
@@VtnVivi well since Le Paradox's blimp transported Sly to Ancient Egypt and whatever happens in the past gets shown in the future, the artifact could be a urn, a weapon, jewellery, or pottery that is related to the same era "Funny how things work sometimes."
But also VIVI you know what I find really weird about the sly series in general? Murray is the only one of the 4 main characters who has never narrated a comic book type cutscene. Have you noticed that at all? Cause sly obvious does a lot of them, Bentley did a few in 2, ending of 3 and 4. And camerlita did 2 in 4. Do you think that's weird at all? I really think Murray deserves his own narrated cutscene!
#GiveMurrayAChance
I think you should be in charge of the next Sly Cooper game. In my fan-made story of Sly 5, when Sly comes back home with the gang, he starts to doubt if he is really a good friend by looking back at what he put Bentley, Murray, and Carmelita through and wondering about the words Penelope and Dr. M said to him. He begins falling apart from his repressed feelings, but the others manage to comfort him and he gets back in the swing of things. What do you think?
Actually, what you're saying right now could have started when Sly was dealing with Paradox in Sly 4. Remember when Sly had to quickly follow le Paradox on the blimp? His response was ''I know me too'', perhaps starting to question how he treated the people he loved. I might analyze that scene eventually! By the way, you are too kind! Thank you :)
@@VtnVivi That is a good point. You're welcome!
Thankfully Sanzaru Games said that they have been thinking of and creating many ideas for a new Sly game, and have said if we want more we gotta slam Sony to allow it and make another. Gotta get more Carmelita!
''Creating many ideas''? Is this an assumption or they said it themselves?
@@VtnVivi Canadian Guy Eh made a video and highlighted in a stream that a dev at Sanzaru stated they'd definitely be up to making a new game, they just need that Sony approval.
hey vivi you going to do a video about Medievil ps4 trophies?
Probably not. Nothing really new is revealed looking at it.
I know this is farfetched but what if Sly 5 starts with the gang gets an old letter from Sly like what happened in back to the future 3 where doc Brown was sent back to the old west and manage to send a letter to Marty McFly
Here are my thoughts on what'd happen with Carmelita in either _Sly Cooper 5_ or her own standalone *spin-off game* --
After about an hour-and-a-half of interrogating Cyrille LeParadox inside INTERPOL headquarters in Paris with little headway, Carmelita is called into her boss' office for *evaluation* on her capabilities as Chief Inspector, during which they discuss as to why she apparently hasn't apprehended Sly yet (the way *_they_* want it to be done, in her thoughts), to which she replies that he's *M.I.A.** at the moment.
However, her boss doesn't believe her, and states that, without concrete evidence, they can't prosecute LeParadox for Sly's "murder" in court and that she might be lacking in her professional skills as an officer, only to then hear a cry of *"Objection!"* from Carmelita, _Ace Attorney_ style (hence the *titular speech bubble* onscreen), arguing that all but two of the other officers aren't looking into Sly's disappearance like they're supposed to.
Her boss then counters with that her *presonal obsession with Sly* could jeopardize her career and orders her to continue the interrogtion, to which Carmelita retaliates by doing the unthinkable! She turns in her badge as a *dishonorable resignation* until further notice, but her boss steps out completely of line and *illegally suspends her* from the force until further notice (pending investigation), to which two of her new partners object to this and argue with the chief while Carmelita angrily storms out of the office in tears. One even comments, *"Now you've done it, Boss."*
Afterwards, in the reception lobby, Carmelita's partners walk up to her to tell her the bad news -- she has been *illegally demoted* to constable, to which she breaks down, crying. Her partners comfort her, saying that they'll get more info on Sly's disappearance any way they can on their end while she looks for Sly himself on hers', and Carmelita then walks out, giving them a tearful *"Thank you"* on her way out of the building.
Meanwhile in the parking lot outside, Bentley and Murray are waiting in the *getaway truck** until they see Carmelita walking up to them. She explains the situation to them, to which they immediately sympathize with her. Carmelita also tells them that her partners will do what they can on looking for potential clues for Sly's whereabouts, as well as help them look for Sly, much to their surprise.
They then leave the parking lot (Bentley and Murray in the van, Carmelita in her *sports car*)* and set out to find Sly by any means neccesary.
Unbeknownst to the three, however, her boss was looking at them through his office window and calls for *two undercover agents* to follow them, as well as track Carmelita's movement and report back her activities if needed, effectively turning her into a *rogue agent.*
-- Edit(s):
• "M.I.A." = *Missing in Action.*
• The Cooper Gang's getaway van would be modelled off of a fictionalized, heavily-modified and heavily-armored *2002 Ford E-350 Super Duty*
*4x4 7.3L PowerStroke V8 Turbo Diesel extended-length dually cargo truck (under license)* with a turret-mounted *.50-caliber armor-piercing*
*Browning M2 machine gun* on the roof outfitted with both a *front **_and_** rear shield.*
• Carmelita's police sports car would also be modelled off of a modified *2003 Chevrolet Corvette [C5] Z/06 (also under license).*
• The scene inside Carmelita's boss' office may be a parellel reference to the *resignation scene* in the James Bond movie *_License to Kill_*
*(1989),* as well as with world-famous prosecutor *Miles Edgeworth* in the spin-off game *_Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth -_*
*_Prosecutor's Path_** (2011; Japan only).*
Sorry guys but i'm not english so who can make for me a recap of this video pls ? I don't know if he say in his video but who have a news for the animated serie ? Ps: please help a french fan of sly
Le but de la video est en fait les missions que Carmelita pourrait avoir dans le prochain jeu. Quel role va-t-elle jouer? Je sens qu'elle va avoir plus de responsabilites. Desole mon clavier est en Anglais.
@@VtnVivi merci beaucoup, tu parles français couramment ou tu as traduit ? Do you have a news for the animated serie who supposed to come in october ? I searched everywhere but no French speaks about it
@@isaacctv9729 Oui je parle le Fracais! En fait, c'est ma deuxieme langue. Jusqu'a date, on n'a pas vraiment de nouvelle a propos ce sujet. :/
@@VtnVivi d'accord je te remercie pour ton aide
There's a future for this series?
We hope so.
If you want an Idea for the Next Sly game, here 1.
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So with Sly stuck in the Pass and the Gang in the Present, I have 1 question that make a story idea likely, why was LeParadox going to Egypt in the first place, My answer is that there are still Allies that LeParadox have in Egypt that sly will being messing with until he gets finds something that can alert Bentley or Carmelita of his location. My idea is that the people who made LeParadox a better criminal are the group in Egypt and have there own plans of reshaping the pass then LeParadox did, which can be easily take over and rule Egypt with a fake replacement Pharaoh, So we have a big Mafia with a lot of disguised weapons in the past controlling all of Egypt and also doing LeParadox a favour and trying to find Sly assister which should be Slytunkhamen the Third at his roots. Ideas of a Leader be a new Bull like Mafia Boss, and even have Muggshot as his first line saying after breaking out of prison, he also broke many Mafia goons out and was given a spot in the Mafia as their "Fire"man who keep an eye on there weapons and teach skilled firing to new recruits. Fun Idea. More Ideas out there, the more reason not to make a Sly game.
We don't know if Paradox was even planning a trip to Egypt. Thanks for sharing your idea :D
Carmelita needs her own game centered on her origin story.
That'd be something :)
@@VtnVivi yeah:)
Imagine if Carmelita, out of fear of not seeing Sly again during the climax of the fourth game revealed to him that she was pregnant with his kid the whole time. She would say this as a means of giving Sly incentive to come back. Whether or not she's telling the truth, only Sly would know the answer.
Very interesting character and pretty hot too
sounds like a great idea, for Carmelita to play a big role in sly5 but looking at it as a developer or a writer i think this series is really difficult and easy to ruin the story. but since you play sly series and have a lot of knowledge you may be able to give them a idea if they ever decide to make a sly5 game but that's not likely to happen no time soon.
I hope your right about the playstation productions every since that release date pass i lost faith in this franchise a long time ago.
Let's wait and hope something comes up soon!
I just ran into her at Roy's party. She thought I was Sly in that bodyguards disguise. She had a strong grip on me. but i have no feelings for her. Whoever gets in my way between me and Shiv, will suffer! especially you Sly Cooper\ dad. so don't even think of trying to stop me! you can't defeat me.
Okidoki
Oof! Sorry about my oc. He's really pissed off right now.
I really hope Sly 5 is gonna happen
I hope so it's been 6 years since me and the gang were waiting like the same year when after 5 years later or 5 hours of having Scott stuck in the "Quantam Realm" until a rat turned on the machine
@@SlyCooper1920 EXACTLY!!!! Glad to see a Marvel fan here lol I'm one too
We hope.
I hope Sucker Punch can make a game of us without having the help of Zanzaru that was focusing on that God damn fat hedgehog