The attachment threads on counterclockwise not because it’s Japanese but because the machine rotates clockwise so that the knob never comes loose under operation and even is self tightening Badass vid btw
thanks for saying "vanadium steel" rather than just saying "hard steel" and confusing folks who don't know the difference. the accuracy is appreciated. you always do the best you can and constantly try to learn more and it's appreciated.
I have 5 of this style machine. Three set up with auto water feed, 180, 1000, and 6000 with buffing wheel on the end. Unless you have sharpened the knives previously, always start with the low grit because you need to set the bevel from the start as your grind angle will not be what the knives arrives with. You will not damage the knife or remove too much metal from setting the bevel on the 180 stone.
Looks like there’s a bit of a learning curve to using that. A person could carve a small cork stopper to fit into the drip spout to shut off the water supply when not needed. There’s a Swedish upright water grinder called “Tormek” that could be an option as no additional power supply is needed. It’s expensive, but the price may be comparable 🤷♂️. They do drive on the left side of the road in Japan, but the left hand thread is a result of the direction the wheel is turning to keep from loosening.
I have the Tormek 8. We're going to be getting into that later as well. We're just learning. It is very expensive. I'm glad to hear they drive on the left. That's pretty funny. Thanks for catching that. I appreciate you always being here.
The "IF" I have with the Tormek (besides the price) is the grinding width of the wheel. I've never used one, and don't know how they work, but it seems a liability or risk would be a slip onto the edge of the wheel that would carve away a notch in the edge.
Dave, the Tormek has been around for 25-30 years. I think they have things figured out by now. It is a multipurpose sharpening machine not just for knives but chisels, plane blades, carving tools, wood turning tools etc.
@@davesmith5656 honestly, the big thing is the amount of time. It’s not fast. It’s very precise. You can wear away the middle if you aren’t grinding properly but if you do everything right, it’s still time-consuming. Now, knife grinders had gotten down a really good system using four devices and they were sharpening knives in 2 1/2 minutes.
@@nadm --- Thanks for the info on the Tormek. I can see how what you describe could happen. As to the other guys' four devices, I saw that. Their electron microscope shots were impressive. They're commercial. And after looking at the electron microscope shots ... I can't see that at 200X, so I don't know if it's there on my edge, or not. Which is where, I guess, the artistry comes in. I finally broke down and paid list price for a Wusthof, their PTEC. It tested 120 Bess four times, and after a dozen uses, still tested 120! And they say it's HRC 56-58. So I haven't touched it. Some day I guess it will test 160 - 180 and I'll have to sharpen it. I have an Ikea I have not managed to get below 140, but in use, it's not remarkably different from a knife that tests 90. Geometry? There are a lot of variables in all this! Maybe that's why the Japanese, I have heard, say Master Sharpener is a three year apprenticeship.
The idea behind machines like this are good. Something faster than wet stones but less heat than a belt grinder. Honestly, if a company like Tormek would make a high quality machine like this with adjustable speed forward/reverse and a bigger platform it would be a real winner. Thinning knives professionally needs good quality machines like this.
@@capolot I'm not sure. I got this in the states off of eBay and I got the Tormek in the states and I know that Bernal cutlery has the Naniwa $1800 version so apparently you can get it.
@@capnmatt41 LOL, so I set it up in the kitchen. I had to look around at it. I turned it on to see the different problems. I noticed that you have to make modifications. Unscrew this and tighten that and change the angle of something else. I’ve been did four knives. Definitely saw the mess that it made. Cleaned up and broke it down. I got on the phone with a different belt manufacturers to learn about the different else and I will set up a table in the garage to do a lot of practicing. I think we will shoot the episode in the house where we show everybody the machine and the modifications then we will practice without the machine on showing the different things that we’re going to do and explain it. Will probably shoot it outside in the garage. Everyone’s making sure that I don’t do it in the kitchen. It’s pretty funny. Thank you for looking out for us.
Interesting machine...single direction is definitely a deal breaker though...then there's the weird voltage thing...like I don't have enough stuff on my workbench...lol
I'm still learning how to use it and I do wish it went in both directions but if you upgrade to the one that does you're gonna spend so much more money like six times more so I'm not in that price range yet but it would be nice to upgrade. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
I always have the stone cutting toward the sharp edge not away, I also noticed no fixtuing to hold the multiple angles needed (thinning or hollow grind) so thinning, then secondary and primary angles, all count. I understand this is experimental. Keep going an experienced honer can feel the right angles you'll pick it up no doubt. Looks like a nice machine
I think it's easy to press too hard or too little. You forget that it's rotating so that it's doing a lot of work very fast. You can press very light and then you're not doing it hard enough. Or you can press it very hard and removed to my steel. A lot of practice. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
Hi Greg, thank you for test. An interesting option for those who are looking for sharpness, like toys for men or for those who want to sharpen knives professionally. As a former cook and now a home cook for 2 people (me and wife) I stay with the stones. I think that stones and manual sharpening have a better feeling and control over the sharpening process.
Very welcome! I like learning and putting myself out there for you guys. I love my hand sharpening. I love whetstones. We're going to continue to explore and try to get better. Thanks for coming as always. I appreciate you very much.
The big usefulness I see in this Hikoki or other wheel setup is getting chips out of knives (or doing other repair work, like straightening concave edges left by frequent use of abrasive honing rods). Japanese and other Asian pro knife shops use them - and they have much bigger stone wheels that rotate edge-on (i.e. like a tire - and they're about as big). European manufacturers use CAD/CAM (I guess it's called that) and I suspect they use small wheels because many come with slightly concave bevels - but they have mechanical arms to hold and move the blades with precision that would be almost impossible for a human. Still, for "very sharp" I think manual on whetstones and a strop - it takes more time and cost, which manufacturers have to economize on.
@@davesmith5656 I think I need a lot more practice. I need to definitely mess around with different steals and stuff. I know they use them and I do believe the bigger one is much better. I’m still a big fan of hand sharpening with whetstones. It’s definitely fun to explore the different options out there. I’ve by no means I’m done studying but I’m glad I could share this piece of equipment with you. Thanks for checking in. I know you’re here all the time, so I really appreciate it.
The Makita 9820 stone has a disc on the bottom that registers into one of two holes in the arbor, so no slipping. For a lot of sharpening, I use a 10 liter square plastic jug with a spigot and a length of tubing into the reservoir -- some make an adjustable spout as well to negate the reservoir altogether and direct the dribble where most needed. Another length of tubing, about ⅜ OD, jams into the side and drains into a bucket. The the bucket is also handy for pre-soaking stones. The Makita for the US market is single phase 115 V 60 Hz; just plug it in. No reverse, but I've yet to need that feature. These machines are now right pricy. I got a deal years ago. Don't know if I'd make the investment on a new one these days unless I had to use it commercially. But very useful and safe for any steel.
Very interesting. I love seeing the learning process and real time troubleshooting. I always try to do the same and let it all hang out, so to speak. I'm wondering if this would be easier to do with a longer knife if you either moved the water dispenser to a different corner or switched hands like you do in normal sharpening. Also, l would love to see a video where you put that 100 grit stone on there and fix the kireha on a badly worn old single bevel. Or even a newer one that has a lumpy grind and is difficult to polish as a result. I would certainly use this type machine for that kind of operation much more than l ever would for edge sharpening. But awesome video, and good job outlining the various real world challenges here and giving your detailed impressions. Keep up the good work!
So the dispenser is something that's hooked into a certain spot. He can't move it. Because the wheel only spends in one direction and the diameter of the wheel is very small, if you turn the knife over than the handle becomes above the stone. Draw it on a piece of paper and play it out in your head. We've done it every way possible. If the handle is in your right hand and the tip is towards your left hand and you have the edge facing your body than the wheel is moving clockwise and you are doing edge trailing strokes. You cannot turned it over without the handle being right on top of the stone and messing up your handle. That's why the machine that rotates in both directions is very good for you and that's why the $1800 machine has a larger stone diameter. The handle gets to hang out over the void area in the middle of the larger stone.
Japanese Knife Imports has a big one of these that I believe he uses for material removal. From what I saw, it has a big, low grit wheel but it rotates slowly compared to this machine. I've been looking to get something like this after doing a chip repair/thinning for a customer by hand. It took far too long, and it just wasn't economical for myself or the customer. Seeing this video and recalling what I saw at the knife shop is making me want to search for a variable speed, or a low speed, low grit wheel, but definitely horizontal.
I don't think I've learned how to use this properly. I definitely wanna do some more research on it and have a little fun. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
I've been hoping someone would demo one of these! Getting chips out on a whetstone is a pain. If I got one of these I'd set it up in the garage, and leave it there. (To practice, I took in friends' knives, and all of them were more at "repair" than "sharpen". It took five or six times as long to get a clean bevel as it did to sharpen it. This machine would make that repair a whole lot easier. I think Japanese knife makers use them on "raw" blades, to set bevels for the first time right after the heavy grinding that comes after the forging.)
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Sigh. It's beautiful and I've spent more on sharpening equipment I used less often than I'm likely to use it. Unfortunately, the niche my business slots into requires that I mostly use manual tools - whetstones and rods. Still, I might consider this for the future. It looks great.
I understand! I think the expensive ones probably the best way to go but you're right it's just so much money all the time. You can get lost down the rabbit hole. Thanks for coming and checking this out. We're just putting herself out there for you. Glad to show you some stuff and we always appreciate your comment. Love you guys!
It looks like the Milwaukee plane blade sharpener. I’ve debated on getting one for flattening the primary bevel and setting secondary bevels. Nice thing would be it’s a 110 us plug. They have several grits on their website.
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I have an idea. I believe that the addition of a forward/reverse switch would enable you to change the direction of the motor. A good hobbyist could very easily add the switch for you. The type of motor determines how the wiring is set up, the easy part is adding the switch, but for most motors, it would work. thanks again.
I would never spend that much money to get a sharp blade. A little bit of practice, and some half decent either manufactured or natural stones will get you there. I finalize with red rouge on a suede strop, and 0.5 micron compound on a smooth strop. Puts nearly a mirror finish on that final micro bevel. Cuts like A scalpel. My whole setup cost me about $200 total with grits from 240 to 10,000 on my whetstones which are a homogeneous particle size, fire bonded ceramic. I only know the composition because I contacted the company because I was amazed with the stones and was in disbelief at their performance for the price I paid which was $80 for the set. I've been using them for quite some time now they're by a brand called Shāpu and can be found on Amazon. The red compound I cannot direct you to because I got it from an old Kennedy tools antique box that I bought from auction that was loaded with tools for woodworking and had an old timers red rouge bar in there that was quite large and I've been using for many years. There were chisels in there nearly a hundred years old made from the old good steel and this red compound cuts those with ease and I can even see material removal on my harder blades up to 63 Rockwell. Not so sure about modern red rouges as they're made different and are usually meant for softer metals. When I run out of this red rouge I will probably not find an equivalent outside of making my own. The green compound I use is from a company called Taytools and is 0.5 micron. And I have a translucent hard Arkansas Stone that I used before stropping. I've been able to sharpen anything from carbon steel to stainless steel alloys with a Rockwell of 63 with no noticeable degradation of my stones. With enough practice I got good enough to put an edge on my blades by hand that is sharp enough for the weight of the blade alone to cut through the paper by simply pinching the heel and letting it rotate through from the hilt to the tip. All that money you spend on that machine and look it actually came out duller 🤷. There is a reason why the Japanese swords and knives are known to be the sharpest blades in the world. Cuz they do it old school, by hand the way it's intended. Machines are gimmicks in my opinion. Now imagine if I got some quality Shapton Glass stones🤷🤷
Hey, I’m a hand sharpener. I’m learning the other stuff to see how the other half lives. Sharing it with the world. Obviously, there are people who do this for a living who can use this machinery better than I can. I’m just making you aware. I do love my stones. I’ve definitely proven how sharpie you can get something when doing it by hand. You and I are on the same team.
Nice personal knife. I would use that for slicing sushi, sashimi or any kind of fish. I'll keep my sharpening manual since I don't sharpen a lot of knives. You could run a knife sharpening business with that machine. I'm just chillin' here eating a cookie, tryin' to avoid marriage. Lol not fallin' for that trick advice of yours that I should get a wife. lol nice video! Thanks!
Re: wet leather - if it’s a Veg tan, you will end up burnishing the leather if it’s moist with the friction from stropping. This is really the only reason to keep it dry. Could use chrome tanned but it’s usually too soft as a material and doesn’t tend to work nearly as well as Veg tan
There is not for this device. I think the $1800 one by Naniwa has those types of options but I'm not sure because I never spend that kind of money. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
Seems like a funny machine to use, if the actual container holding the water was sucking water from the side instead from above, dripping into a smaller tube, it would have made the whole experience better. It probably would have increased the cost a little bit as well, but I don't see how I could sharpen a 330mm Yanagiba there. Great video as usual.
I have a T8. I have not done a review yet. It will not be favorable. It is very expensive. You have to take a lot of time to calibrate things. If you don’t want to constantly recalibrate on the stone that is getting smaller overtime then you have to buy more expensive diamond or CBN stones. Then they never get smaller but now you’re out so much money you’re wondering why did you even bother. If you truly wanted to be scientific and be amazing then this is your option but I have gotten a knife as sharper sharper by freehand. I’ve seen a 29 done on one of knife grinders shows but I have gotten a 15 by hand, I believe it’s very repeatable and it’s awesome but it just takes so much time to set it up to get the proper angle for the knife and once the stone that comes with it starts wearing away, you have to constantly change certain parameters for the ever evolving/diminishing stone.
I use vertical whetstones like Tormek freehand but these are so much faster spinning. Double the speed! This size you have seems the sweet spot between ones that are like toys or high end professional. I'm thinking these will be great for thinning knives, very thin, with out the heat belts create. The questions I have are- 1) how do you flatten the stone if it becomes high in the middle? 2) where did you get yours? Thanks for the video.
First thing I would probably do with this grinder is swap out the water feeder for a container with a tubing like the Naniwa's have, that would be less obstructive, and you'd have a more unobstructive access to the wheel.
Great question. I am a hairdresser myself. I don't necessarily know the answer to this question. I would use a very flat Whetstone and I would still possibly consider a 2000 or finer because typically our stuff does not get that worn out. I'd have to play with it. I don't have the answer to that question but I'm equally excited to find out.
I always thought about a machine like this for thinning. But I think I will stay with my Atoma. The Naniwa machine sounds nice, because of the two directions and the quality stones that will come with it. But it has the same pricetag like a water cooled belt sander. When I start putting together my workshop I will have the space. But until then ATOMA!
I bought one a few months ago but only just got around to using it. It is definitely a learning curve. Could you make a video on using it to thin knives? I always feel so sketchy putting a knife down while it's already running, but I'm not sure what else to do.
I agree with you 100%. It is completely sketchy. The only reason I think you could do the thinning is because you're gonna be removing a lot of metal so you have a chance to get it on there. Definitely practice on something you don't care about.
@@nadm ah that's great. I was looking for something to take the elbow strain out of thinning knives, but a belt sander is too messy and noisy without a dedicated workshop. I also love how this is water cooled so I don't have to worry about ruining the heat treatment of the blade. Hopefully I can source one of these to the UK. Thanks again for sharing all this great new content with us. Your channel continues to be the most entertaining knife content out there and we really do appreciate it. It's great to see your channel grow and be successful.
So the problem is that when you have the stone, spinning, clockwise, which is the only direction it spends, you have to turn the knife over which causes the handle to scrape against the other side of the stone. If this knife has some height, then you’re gonna be fine, but the normal height at a 15° angle will cost to handle to scrape the stone. And you can work it out yourself if you just draw a circle then put the knife in your right hand and have the blade under your left hand with the wheel spinning clockwise. If you turn the knife over so that your edge trailing your handle is over the other side of the stone and will start scraping. If you move the blade to the other side, then you’ll see that you haven’t changed anything. The much larger wheel from the more expensive company has such an empty space on the inside of the wheel that the handle has never damaged.
If you would of used the 100 grit from the beginning you would of gone through the same amount of steel but with way less time wasted. Unless you can use the exact same angle like a machine your minutely re-profiling every sharpening. So you should always start with a coarse and then go through your chosen progression. But thats just my opinion.
I’m not a fan of it. I did use it and it was kind of nice. I think the much bigger systems work a lot better. It only rotates in one direction which I find to be a problem and the larger knives do suffer.
А я как раз присматриваюсь к этой системе, и она мне нравится. Отсутствие реверса на станке, безусловно, серьёзный недостаток. Поэтому такой же станок от "Makita" я рассматриваю, как более предпочтительный. Вообще же, Ваше представление станка и его возможностей мне понравилось. Что до моего комментария, то это по сути шутливое замечание, имеющее явный этнический колорит и от того плохо переводимое. Извините если оно Вас как то обидело. @@nadm
Thanks Greg. Love your content and I agree with you, it is invaluable to watch you learn as you go - it’s better for us. To be honest, I think I’ll stick with my sharpening by hand method. It works every time. Can I ask a question though, I have a strop with a smooth side and a ‘furry’ soft side. Never used the furry side. What would that be for? It must have a purpose. Thanks for any advice you can give. Best regards from Northern Ireland. P.S. nothing beats a loving wife. Would love to see her in front of the camera some time, just to say Hi!
I want her in front of the camera sometimes. She doesn’t want to be there. She shy believe it or not. We love you too. Hello from America to Ireland! The furry side or fluffy side can be used but don’t press too hard. It would be good to rip away the metal from the edge. You can easily roll the edge if you press too hard. When I’m using the kangaroo tail, then I do the rough side first and then the smooth side. It’s going to be better to use on softer steel. Anything that’s a 60 hardness or below. Otherwise, if it’s a hard knife, then I would not use the furry side.
@@nadm - Many thanks for your response Greg. I really appreciate it. I couldn’t say what the hardness level of my knives are. They are Sabatiers. I would think that by now the hardened edge has long since been lost but they do still keep their edge pretty much. I use a diamond steel to hone. I don’t use the strop too often. Maybe I should use it more. It has two Aluminium oxide bars (0.5 and 1.0 micron). I have only used the 1.0 micron bar so far. I just checked the info with the strop and it’s a suede side (furry). Thanks again for your advice my friend and best regards to your good lady.
@@magnificentmuttley2084 thank you so much. Yes, yours is softer. The French Sabatier knife is softer. Everything you have is amazing. Just use the technique at a slightly higher angle than your sharpening angle.
They do drive on the other side (left) in Japan. Also only country(s) in Europe that drives on the left is the UK, tho technically the British isles aren’t “Europe”
Debió haber probado el filo después de usar la piedra de 1000 y no esperar al final. Un cuchillo debe cortar con la primera piedra que uses para afilar.
@@La_sombra_de_la_luz thank you! We definitely were learning. Now we know. I look forward to learning more and getting more proficient. Thank you for watching and commenting.
What are the intended dimensions of the wedge shaped edge itself? How far from the point of the knife to end of the wedge as measured from the point to the thick edge of the blade? This is important.
I hear you and I cannot for the life of me. Understand exactly what you mean. I really want to get this right for you. You might need to screenshot it and pointed out and send it to me through my social media. All of my social media links are on the TH-cam page. I do apologize for not being able to understand. Please bear with me as I wanna make this possible for you.
I also find a therapeutic to sharpen by hand. It just depends on if we’re gonna get it to a commercial business. Obviously, I’m not as proficient if someone would need to be. It just takes time. We’ll keep practicing.
Unfortunately, there are no controlling measures on this machine. There are other machine's that are similar to this but have much more variable controlls,,as well as professional quality grind wheels that are specifically made for each size. as a matter of fact, i am surprised that you are or not aware that many knife manufacturers in Japan, use these types of horizontal, rotational, machines, either for partial , or the majority of grinding their knives. Sizes of these types of tools are quite varied. Whetstones are rarely used for the majority of the cutting or grinding operations of cutting tools. Knife manufacturers in Japan, use whetstones, for finishing and final processing In the sharpening of kitchen cutlery. This tool is as equivalent to a rudimentary piece of Neanderthal equipment! Definitely not meant for quality work! If price is an issue , than stick to whetstones.
You're correct. I think the machines that are much more expensive. Have way more control. I think it's good for getting through the majority of some work, but I still like finishing with my hands. Just takes a lot of time to get used to it.
I hear you’re my good friend! It’s fun to learn and mess with new things, but I am very proficient with my white stones as well. God bless and thanks for checking us out. And thank you for your comment.
@@nadm just took delivery of the back ordered Morihei 9K which you like. I’m enjoying it as well. Also flirting with JNAT from two reliable Japanese sources. I must be too traditional? 👍😊
So I do it when I'm focused and I do it as a facial tick. I have had an MRI on my brain to see if I have Tourette's syndrome. I do not, but I do have facial tics that do up here. Mostly when I am focused, but also when I have great anxiety or nervousness. I'm better these days but the older videos definitely have me doing a lot of it. I'm sorry if it bothers you but thank you for asking nicely.
@@nadm don't have to be Sorry, and doesn't look bad, I do Things like that too, Especially when dulling a beautiful knife, keep doing the great work, God bless you.
Definitely takes a lot of practice. I don't know how many knives you have to lose before you get it right but we'll keep working at it. I like sharpening my hand. It's my therapy.
The attachment threads on counterclockwise not because it’s Japanese but because the machine rotates clockwise so that the knob never comes loose under operation and even is self tightening
Badass vid btw
Thank you for the info and the compliment.
thanks for saying "vanadium steel" rather than just saying "hard steel" and confusing folks who don't know the difference. the accuracy is appreciated. you always do the best you can and constantly try to learn more and it's appreciated.
Thank you guys for keeping me straight. I also appreciate you saying it nicely. Some people are not so nice.
I have 5 of this style machine. Three set up with auto water feed, 180, 1000, and 6000 with buffing wheel on the end. Unless you have sharpened the knives previously, always start with the low grit because you need to set the bevel from the start as your grind angle will not be what the knives arrives with. You will not damage the knife or remove too much metal from setting the bevel on the 180 stone.
That’s awesome. Thank you so much.
Good to see your video this early morning!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Looks like there’s a bit of a learning curve to using that. A person could carve a small cork stopper to fit into the drip spout to shut off the water supply when not needed. There’s a Swedish upright water grinder called “Tormek” that could be an option as no additional power supply is needed. It’s expensive, but the price may be comparable 🤷♂️. They do drive on the left side of the road in Japan, but the left hand thread is a result of the direction the wheel is turning to keep from loosening.
I have the Tormek 8. We're going to be getting into that later as well. We're just learning. It is very expensive. I'm glad to hear they drive on the left. That's pretty funny. Thanks for catching that. I appreciate you always being here.
The "IF" I have with the Tormek (besides the price) is the grinding width of the wheel. I've never used one, and don't know how they work, but it seems a liability or risk would be a slip onto the edge of the wheel that would carve away a notch in the edge.
Dave, the Tormek has been around for 25-30 years. I think they have things figured out by now. It is a multipurpose sharpening machine not just for knives but chisels, plane blades, carving tools, wood turning tools etc.
@@davesmith5656 honestly, the big thing is the amount of time. It’s not fast. It’s very precise. You can wear away the middle if you aren’t grinding properly but if you do everything right, it’s still time-consuming. Now, knife grinders had gotten down a really good system using four devices and they were sharpening knives in 2 1/2 minutes.
@@nadm --- Thanks for the info on the Tormek. I can see how what you describe could happen. As to the other guys' four devices, I saw that. Their electron microscope shots were impressive. They're commercial. And after looking at the electron microscope shots ... I can't see that at 200X, so I don't know if it's there on my edge, or not. Which is where, I guess, the artistry comes in.
I finally broke down and paid list price for a Wusthof, their PTEC. It tested 120 Bess four times, and after a dozen uses, still tested 120! And they say it's HRC 56-58. So I haven't touched it. Some day I guess it will test 160 - 180 and I'll have to sharpen it. I have an Ikea I have not managed to get below 140, but in use, it's not remarkably different from a knife that tests 90. Geometry? There are a lot of variables in all this! Maybe that's why the Japanese, I have heard, say Master Sharpener is a three year apprenticeship.
The idea behind machines like this are good. Something faster than wet stones but less heat than a belt grinder. Honestly, if a company like Tormek would make a high quality machine like this with adjustable speed forward/reverse and a bigger platform it would be a real winner. Thinning knives professionally needs good quality machines like this.
So the Naniwa machine is $1800. It's spins both directions. Very large and size. You should look into that one. I will not be purchasing that.
@@nadm I’m honestly not on that level. But do they ship to the states?
@@capolot I'm not sure. I got this in the states off of eBay and I got the Tormek in the states and I know that Bernal cutlery has the Naniwa $1800 version so apparently you can get it.
Looks like a nice Tormek alternative.
I'd probably try prepping edges on a 1x30 and finishing them on this if I had one.
Thanks for the vid!
I just got a belt sander and so I'm learning about that. I have a Tormek so we will be comparing in the future. Thanks for your support.
@@nadm Nice! What did you go with for a belt sander? Please don't use it in your kitchen.
@@capnmatt41 LOL, so I set it up in the kitchen. I had to look around at it. I turned it on to see the different problems. I noticed that you have to make modifications. Unscrew this and tighten that and change the angle of something else. I’ve been did four knives. Definitely saw the mess that it made. Cleaned up and broke it down. I got on the phone with a different belt manufacturers to learn about the different else and I will set up a table in the garage to do a lot of practicing. I think we will shoot the episode in the house where we show everybody the machine and the modifications then we will practice without the machine on showing the different things that we’re going to do and explain it. Will probably shoot it outside in the garage. Everyone’s making sure that I don’t do it in the kitchen. It’s pretty funny. Thank you for looking out for us.
@@nadm smart. Sounds like you got it under control. Looking forward to seeing what you got.
Interesting machine...single direction is definitely a deal breaker though...then there's the weird voltage thing...like I don't have enough stuff on my workbench...lol
I'm still learning how to use it and I do wish it went in both directions but if you upgrade to the one that does you're gonna spend so much more money like six times more so I'm not in that price range yet but it would be nice to upgrade. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
I always have the stone cutting toward the sharp edge not away, I also noticed no fixtuing to hold the multiple angles needed (thinning or hollow grind) so thinning, then secondary and primary angles, all count. I understand this is experimental. Keep going an experienced honer can feel the right angles you'll pick it up no doubt. Looks like a nice machine
I think it's easy to press too hard or too little. You forget that it's rotating so that it's doing a lot of work very fast. You can press very light and then you're not doing it hard enough. Or you can press it very hard and removed to my steel. A lot of practice. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
Thank you for this Video. It is a cool machine and u showed the pros and cons really clearly. 🍀🔪👊
Thank you!!
Hi Greg, thank you for test. An interesting option for those who are looking for sharpness, like toys for men or for those who want to sharpen knives professionally. As a former cook and now a home cook for 2 people (me and wife) I stay with the stones. I think that stones and manual sharpening have a better feeling and control over the sharpening process.
Very welcome! I like learning and putting myself out there for you guys. I love my hand sharpening. I love whetstones. We're going to continue to explore and try to get better. Thanks for coming as always. I appreciate you very much.
The big usefulness I see in this Hikoki or other wheel setup is getting chips out of knives (or doing other repair work, like straightening concave edges left by frequent use of abrasive honing rods). Japanese and other Asian pro knife shops use them - and they have much bigger stone wheels that rotate edge-on (i.e. like a tire - and they're about as big). European manufacturers use CAD/CAM (I guess it's called that) and I suspect they use small wheels because many come with slightly concave bevels - but they have mechanical arms to hold and move the blades with precision that would be almost impossible for a human. Still, for "very sharp" I think manual on whetstones and a strop - it takes more time and cost, which manufacturers have to economize on.
@@davesmith5656 I think I need a lot more practice. I need to definitely mess around with different steals and stuff. I know they use them and I do believe the bigger one is much better. I’m still a big fan of hand sharpening with whetstones. It’s definitely fun to explore the different options out there. I’ve by no means I’m done studying but I’m glad I could share this piece of equipment with you. Thanks for checking in. I know you’re here all the time, so I really appreciate it.
The Makita 9820 stone has a disc on the bottom that registers into one of two holes in the arbor, so no slipping. For a lot of sharpening, I use a 10 liter square plastic jug with a spigot and a length of tubing into the reservoir -- some make an adjustable spout as well to negate the
reservoir altogether and direct the dribble where most needed. Another length of tubing, about ⅜ OD, jams into the side and drains into a bucket. The the bucket is also handy for pre-soaking stones.
The Makita for the US market is single phase 115 V 60 Hz; just plug it in. No reverse, but I've yet to need that feature.
These machines are now right pricy. I got a deal years ago. Don't know if I'd make the investment on a new one these days unless I had to use it commercially. But very useful and safe for any steel.
Yes, indeed. I wish I had the room in the garage to kind of figure that out. I wish they had to reverse, but the ones that they were very expensive
Very interesting. I love seeing the learning process and real time troubleshooting. I always try to do the same and let it all hang out, so to speak. I'm wondering if this would be easier to do with a longer knife if you either moved the water dispenser to a different corner or switched hands like you do in normal sharpening.
Also, l would love to see a video where you put that 100 grit stone on there and fix the kireha on a badly worn old single bevel. Or even a newer one that has a lumpy grind and is difficult to polish as a result. I would certainly use this type machine for that kind of operation much more than l ever would for edge sharpening. But awesome video, and good job outlining the various real world challenges here and giving your detailed impressions. Keep up the good work!
So the dispenser is something that's hooked into a certain spot. He can't move it. Because the wheel only spends in one direction and the diameter of the wheel is very small, if you turn the knife over than the handle becomes above the stone. Draw it on a piece of paper and play it out in your head. We've done it every way possible. If the handle is in your right hand and the tip is towards your left hand and you have the edge facing your body than the wheel is moving clockwise and you are doing edge trailing strokes. You cannot turned it over without the handle being right on top of the stone and messing up your handle. That's why the machine that rotates in both directions is very good for you and that's why the $1800 machine has a larger stone diameter. The handle gets to hang out over the void area in the middle of the larger stone.
I loved this video!!!! I really want 1 just for family's knives knock off alot at once!
It is fun. I just need to practice.
Japanese Knife Imports has a big one of these that I believe he uses for material removal. From what I saw, it has a big, low grit wheel but it rotates slowly compared to this machine. I've been looking to get something like this after doing a chip repair/thinning for a customer by hand. It took far too long, and it just wasn't economical for myself or the customer. Seeing this video and recalling what I saw at the knife shop is making me want to search for a variable speed, or a low speed, low grit wheel, but definitely horizontal.
I don't think I've learned how to use this properly. I definitely wanna do some more research on it and have a little fun. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
I think you finally saved me some money. I don’t think I’ll be investing in one of those .
Yes, sir! I understand.
Very Nice Episode, more from the waterwheel
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I've been hoping someone would demo one of these! Getting chips out on a whetstone is a pain. If I got one of these I'd set it up in the garage, and leave it there. (To practice, I took in friends' knives, and all of them were more at "repair" than "sharpen". It took five or six times as long to get a clean bevel as it did to sharpen it. This machine would make that repair a whole lot easier. I think Japanese knife makers use them on "raw" blades, to set bevels for the first time right after the heavy grinding that comes after the forging.)
That sounds like a really good assessment. That sounds pretty cool. Do the brunt of the work.
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Sigh. It's beautiful and I've spent more on sharpening equipment I used less often than I'm likely to use it. Unfortunately, the niche my business slots into requires that I mostly use manual tools - whetstones and rods. Still, I might consider this for the future. It looks great.
I understand! I think the expensive ones probably the best way to go but you're right it's just so much money all the time. You can get lost down the rabbit hole. Thanks for coming and checking this out. We're just putting herself out there for you. Glad to show you some stuff and we always appreciate your comment. Love you guys!
It looks like the Milwaukee plane blade sharpener. I’ve debated on getting one for flattening the primary bevel and setting secondary bevels. Nice thing would be it’s a 110 us plug. They have several grits on their website.
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I have an idea. I believe that the addition of a forward/reverse switch would enable you to change the direction of the motor. A good hobbyist could very easily add the switch for you. The type of motor determines how the wiring is set up, the easy part is adding the switch, but for most motors, it would work. thanks again.
That would be amazing. And no I am not an electrician. If I had somebody to do that. It would be amazing. I am not that guy.
I would never spend that much money to get a sharp blade. A little bit of practice, and some half decent either manufactured or natural stones will get you there. I finalize with red rouge on a suede strop, and 0.5 micron compound on a smooth strop. Puts nearly a mirror finish on that final micro bevel. Cuts like A scalpel. My whole setup cost me about $200 total with grits from 240 to 10,000 on my whetstones which are a homogeneous particle size, fire bonded ceramic. I only know the composition because I contacted the company because I was amazed with the stones and was in disbelief at their performance for the price I paid which was $80 for the set. I've been using them for quite some time now they're by a brand called Shāpu and can be found on Amazon. The red compound I cannot direct you to because I got it from an old Kennedy tools antique box that I bought from auction that was loaded with tools for woodworking and had an old timers red rouge bar in there that was quite large and I've been using for many years. There were chisels in there nearly a hundred years old made from the old good steel and this red compound cuts those with ease and I can even see material removal on my harder blades up to 63 Rockwell. Not so sure about modern red rouges as they're made different and are usually meant for softer metals. When I run out of this red rouge I will probably not find an equivalent outside of making my own. The green compound I use is from a company called Taytools and is 0.5 micron. And I have a translucent hard Arkansas Stone that I used before stropping. I've been able to sharpen anything from carbon steel to stainless steel alloys with a Rockwell of 63 with no noticeable degradation of my stones. With enough practice I got good enough to put an edge on my blades by hand that is sharp enough for the weight of the blade alone to cut through the paper by simply pinching the heel and letting it rotate through from the hilt to the tip. All that money you spend on that machine and look it actually came out duller 🤷. There is a reason why the Japanese swords and knives are known to be the sharpest blades in the world. Cuz they do it old school, by hand the way it's intended. Machines are gimmicks in my opinion. Now imagine if I got some quality Shapton Glass stones🤷🤷
Hey, I’m a hand sharpener. I’m learning the other stuff to see how the other half lives. Sharing it with the world. Obviously, there are people who do this for a living who can use this machinery better than I can. I’m just making you aware. I do love my stones. I’ve definitely proven how sharpie you can get something when doing it by hand. You and I are on the same team.
Nice personal knife. I would use that for slicing sushi, sashimi or any kind of fish. I'll keep my sharpening manual since I don't sharpen a lot of knives. You could run a knife sharpening business with that machine. I'm just chillin' here eating a cookie, tryin' to avoid marriage. Lol not fallin' for that trick advice of yours that I should get a wife. lol nice video! Thanks!
You’re right, she got me! Actually, I’m pretty lucky. I’ll count my blessings. Thanks for coming as always. Enjoy your cookie!
Re: wet leather - if it’s a Veg tan, you will end up burnishing the leather if it’s moist with the friction from stropping. This is really the only reason to keep it dry. Could use chrome tanned but it’s usually too soft as a material and doesn’t tend to work nearly as well as Veg tan
Nice
I've seen another video where the stone rotation is much slower. There's no speed control?
There is not for this device. I think the $1800 one by Naniwa has those types of options but I'm not sure because I never spend that kind of money. I need to apologize for taking so long. I've had a surgery on my knee and some other things going on. We've had the court case for my car accident. We had to deal with that as well. We've also had some other major things happening personally. Deaths in the family and lots of arrangements to be made. Also, I'll let you know that I will be having another major surgery in June and will not be making it to the Blade show. I will be out of work for two weeks because I'm having all the extra skin cut off of my body. We do apologize for an interruption of videos if it were to happen. Will try to shoot some head for you guys so we can fill the space. That being said, thank you for checking out the show. Thank you for your support and your comment.
Seems like a funny machine to use, if the actual container holding the water was sucking water from the side instead from above, dripping into a smaller tube, it would have made the whole experience better. It probably would have increased the cost a little bit as well, but I don't see how I could sharpen a 330mm Yanagiba there. Great video as usual.
I agree! I think they much bigger $1800 version by Naniwa would be better suited for what you’re saying.
I think the left hand threads are so that while the machines running the stone is tightening and not loosening itself
Thank you for that.
Walk around to other side of table and it will be edge leading too
Exactly.
Could you test out the Tormek T4 or the T8 ? :D I know they're expensive :)
I have a T8. I have not done a review yet. It will not be favorable. It is very expensive. You have to take a lot of time to calibrate things. If you don’t want to constantly recalibrate on the stone that is getting smaller overtime then you have to buy more expensive diamond or CBN stones. Then they never get smaller but now you’re out so much money you’re wondering why did you even bother. If you truly wanted to be scientific and be amazing then this is your option but I have gotten a knife as sharper sharper by freehand. I’ve seen a 29 done on one of knife grinders shows but I have gotten a 15 by hand, I believe it’s very repeatable and it’s awesome but it just takes so much time to set it up to get the proper angle for the knife and once the stone that comes with it starts wearing away, you have to constantly change certain parameters for the ever evolving/diminishing stone.
I use vertical whetstones like Tormek freehand but these are so much faster spinning. Double the speed! This size you have seems the sweet spot between ones that are like toys or high end professional.
I'm thinking these will be great for thinning knives, very thin, with out the heat belts create.
The questions I have are-
1) how do you flatten the stone if it becomes high in the middle?
2) where did you get yours?
Thanks for the video.
Lapping plates still do the job! and Ebay!. I also have a Tormek 8. This video was to just introduce everyone to this machine.
@@nadmdid you get hit for tariff?
@@nadm I’m P G with the wen wet grinder videos.
Thanks for the videos
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER send me a link if you made some videos I want to watch them
@@FREEHAND.WETGRINDER no, sir! I think the people might’ve been in America. But I did not.
First thing I would probably do with this grinder is swap out the water feeder for a container with a tubing like the Naniwa's have, that would be less obstructive, and you'd have a more unobstructive access to the wheel.
Yeah, I'm just showing what you get for the $350. I agree that there's a lot of things that could be changed.
I have a question what stone would I need to sharpen clipper blades for cutting hair please someone help 🙏🏽
Great question. I am a hairdresser myself. I don't necessarily know the answer to this question. I would use a very flat Whetstone and I would still possibly consider a 2000 or finer because typically our stuff does not get that worn out. I'd have to play with it. I don't have the answer to that question but I'm equally excited to find out.
@@nadm thank you for that 🙏🏽I would like to one day start my own sharpening and clipper repair services around my area
I always thought about a machine like this for thinning. But I think I will stay with my Atoma. The Naniwa machine sounds nice, because of the two directions and the quality stones that will come with it. But it has the same pricetag like a water cooled belt sander. When I start putting together my workshop I will have the space. But until then ATOMA!
The bigger wheel that spins both directions is amazing but obviously it takes practice. It also takes space and makes a mess!
@@nadm anyway thanks for learning for us. Made my curiosity on that wheel a bit less. Will invest in more stones instead hehe
@@knife.spa.berlin yay!!
I think I read that machine is used only for thinning and sharpening single bevel knives.
Yes they drive on the other side!
Thank you!
I bought one a few months ago but only just got around to using it. It is definitely a learning curve. Could you make a video on using it to thin knives? I always feel so sketchy putting a knife down while it's already running, but I'm not sure what else to do.
I agree with you 100%. It is completely sketchy. The only reason I think you could do the thinning is because you're gonna be removing a lot of metal so you have a chance to get it on there. Definitely practice on something you don't care about.
what is the advantage over belt sander sharpening ?
I can't find one. I think it's just preference.
Many thanks for the video, couldn't one just cut a notch in a Makita stone to accommodate the Hikoki's design ? (4:35)
I agree with you that there would need to be some modifications, and like I said in another comment, I am not that guy.
Any more videos on this?
If it's 100v 50/60hz can you just lop off the euro plug and install an American one?
I’m not a good electrician, so I would be afraid I wouldn’t soldering it properly.
Why not use the angle guide it comes with?
Can this be used for thinning? Are there any coarse stones available?
Yes, and I believe my course Stone is like a 100 or 200 grit
@@nadm ah that's great. I was looking for something to take the elbow strain out of thinning knives, but a belt sander is too messy and noisy without a dedicated workshop. I also love how this is water cooled so I don't have to worry about ruining the heat treatment of the blade. Hopefully I can source one of these to the UK.
Thanks again for sharing all this great new content with us. Your channel continues to be the most entertaining knife content out there and we really do appreciate it. It's great to see your channel grow and be successful.
Switch sides of the stone or switch hands on the same side and you can get edge trailing strokes on both sides right?
So the problem is that when you have the stone, spinning, clockwise, which is the only direction it spends, you have to turn the knife over which causes the handle to scrape against the other side of the stone. If this knife has some height, then you’re gonna be fine, but the normal height at a 15° angle will cost to handle to scrape the stone. And you can work it out yourself if you just draw a circle then put the knife in your right hand and have the blade under your left hand with the wheel spinning clockwise. If you turn the knife over so that your edge trailing your handle is over the other side of the stone and will start scraping. If you move the blade to the other side, then you’ll see that you haven’t changed anything. The much larger wheel from the more expensive company has such an empty space on the inside of the wheel that the handle has never damaged.
If you would of used the 100 grit from the beginning you would of gone through the same amount of steel but with way less time wasted. Unless you can use the exact same angle like a machine your minutely re-profiling every sharpening. So you should always start with a coarse and then go through your chosen progression. But thats just my opinion.
Это фиаско, братан! Это фиаско!
I’m not a fan of it. I did use it and it was kind of nice. I think the much bigger systems work a lot better. It only rotates in one direction which I find to be a problem and the larger knives do suffer.
А я как раз присматриваюсь к этой системе, и она мне нравится. Отсутствие реверса на станке, безусловно, серьёзный недостаток. Поэтому такой же станок от "Makita" я рассматриваю, как более предпочтительный. Вообще же, Ваше представление станка и его возможностей мне понравилось. Что до моего комментария, то это по сути шутливое замечание, имеющее явный этнический колорит и от того плохо переводимое. Извините если оно Вас как то обидело. @@nadm
Thanks Greg. Love your content and I agree with you, it is invaluable to watch you learn as you go - it’s better for us. To be honest, I think I’ll stick with my sharpening by hand method. It works every time. Can I ask a question though, I have a strop with a smooth side and a ‘furry’ soft side. Never used the furry side. What would that be for? It must have a purpose. Thanks for any advice you can give. Best regards from Northern Ireland. P.S. nothing beats a loving wife. Would love to see her in front of the camera some time, just to say Hi!
I want her in front of the camera sometimes. She doesn’t want to be there. She shy believe it or not. We love you too. Hello from America to Ireland! The furry side or fluffy side can be used but don’t press too hard. It would be good to rip away the metal from the edge. You can easily roll the edge if you press too hard. When I’m using the kangaroo tail, then I do the rough side first and then the smooth side. It’s going to be better to use on softer steel. Anything that’s a 60 hardness or below. Otherwise, if it’s a hard knife, then I would not use the furry side.
@@nadm - Many thanks for your response Greg. I really appreciate it. I couldn’t say what the hardness level of my knives are. They are Sabatiers. I would think that by now the hardened edge has long since been lost but they do still keep their edge pretty much. I use a diamond steel to hone. I don’t use the strop too often. Maybe I should use it more. It has two Aluminium oxide bars (0.5 and 1.0 micron). I have only used the 1.0 micron bar so far. I just checked the info with the strop and it’s a suede side (furry). Thanks again for your advice my friend and best regards to your good lady.
@@magnificentmuttley2084 thank you so much. Yes, yours is softer. The French Sabatier knife is softer. Everything you have is amazing. Just use the technique at a slightly higher angle than your sharpening angle.
They do drive on the other side (left) in Japan. Also only country(s) in Europe that drives on the left is the UK, tho technically the British isles aren’t “Europe”
Awesome
Debió haber probado el filo después de usar la piedra de 1000 y no esperar al final. Un cuchillo debe cortar con la primera piedra que uses para afilar.
I’m at work but when I find time I will have to put this in a translator and read it. Hopefully you’re having a blessed day.
@@nadm He should have tried the edge after using the 1000 stone and not wait for the end.
@@La_sombra_de_la_luz thank you! We definitely were learning. Now we know. I look forward to learning more and getting more proficient. Thank you for watching and commenting.
What are the intended dimensions of the wedge shaped edge itself? How far from the point of the knife to end of the wedge as measured from the point to the thick edge of the blade? This is important.
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Seems like a big hassle too I like to sharpen 1 to get my knife sharp and 2 it’s therapeutic
I also find a therapeutic to sharpen by hand. It just depends on if we’re gonna get it to a commercial business. Obviously, I’m not as proficient if someone would need to be. It just takes time. We’ll keep practicing.
Keep up the good work Greg! And avoid all the horse sh*t 😆
Thank you for your support. Just put myself out there and trying to get you guys new contact in entertainment. Stay safe, and God bless!
Makes me want to stick with simple hand sharpening on whetstones.
In time it could be useful, but I’m with you!
Unfortunately, there are no controlling measures on this machine. There are other machine's that are similar to this but have much more variable controlls,,as well as professional quality grind wheels that are specifically made for each size. as a matter of fact, i am surprised that you are or not aware that many knife manufacturers in Japan, use these types of horizontal, rotational, machines, either for partial , or the majority of grinding their knives. Sizes of these types of tools are quite varied. Whetstones are rarely used for the majority of the cutting or grinding operations of cutting tools. Knife manufacturers in Japan, use whetstones, for finishing and final processing In the sharpening of kitchen cutlery.
This tool is as equivalent to a rudimentary piece of Neanderthal equipment! Definitely not meant for quality work! If price is an issue , than stick to whetstones.
You're correct. I think the machines that are much more expensive. Have way more control. I think it's good for getting through the majority of some work, but I still like finishing with my hands. Just takes a lot of time to get used to it.
It’ll never find its way to my counter, workbench. I like guy toys as much as anyone…but, no…I’ll stay with my current whetstone collection.
I hear you’re my good friend! It’s fun to learn and mess with new things, but I am very proficient with my white stones as well. God bless and thanks for checking us out. And thank you for your comment.
@@nadm just took delivery of the back ordered Morihei 9K which you like. I’m enjoying it as well. Also flirting with JNAT from two reliable Japanese sources. I must be too traditional? 👍😊
What's with your tongue when you are dulling the knife? 😂
So I do it when I'm focused and I do it as a facial tick. I have had an MRI on my brain to see if I have Tourette's syndrome. I do not, but I do have facial tics that do up here. Mostly when I am focused, but also when I have great anxiety or nervousness. I'm better these days but the older videos definitely have me doing a lot of it. I'm sorry if it bothers you but thank you for asking nicely.
@@nadm don't have to be Sorry, and doesn't look bad, I do Things like that too, Especially when dulling a beautiful knife, keep doing the great work, God bless you.
@@Crazyknives thank you and God bless you and thanks for watching
This is enough of a video to show that this is not the right tool for this job. Way too fast/dangerous...
Definitely takes a lot of practice. I don't know how many knives you have to lose before you get it right but we'll keep working at it. I like sharpening my hand. It's my therapy.