LT1 TRIPLE TEST-1970 LT-1 vs 1995 LT1 vs 2017 LT1

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  • FULL DYNO RESULTS ON EACH. 1970 vs 1995 vs 2017. EVOLUTION OF THE LT1. HOW MUCH POWER DID THE LEGENDARY ORIGINAL (HIGH-COMPRESSION) 1970 LT-1 REALLY MAKE? RATED AT 370 HP (IN THE VETTE), DID IT REALLY MAKE THAT? HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO A 300-HP LT1 FROM THE 90S? HOW DO EACH OF THESE COMPARE TO THE LATEST GEN 5 VERSION?
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  • @nedaCFilms
    @nedaCFilms 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The mid ‘90s LT1 engine will forever be one of my favorites ever produced. When the LT1 debuted in the Camaro/Firebird in 1993, it was a game changer! Just shy of 300hp and a 6-speed tranny….from the F’n factory lol. I upset a ton of 5.0 Mustangs back then with my ‘94 Z28…. and I was a Mustang guy at heart, but those F-bodies were an absolute riot to drive!

    • @user-pe3mp6nx5e
      @user-pe3mp6nx5e 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Tons of potential also. You can build a 90s Camaro up to run 11 seconds 1/4 mile times without spending too much money. Good cheap platform for building a hotrod back in the day. I'm a corvette guy, though, and I can still appreciate the potential of that car....

  • @JaMarvelousjmar
    @JaMarvelousjmar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    The best part of waking up is reving engines up

    • @gregrogers3030
      @gregrogers3030 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hell yea you need to make that saying into a tee-shirt

    • @rexmedina4561
      @rexmedina4561 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @jamarvelous not on this channel 💀

    • @caseylindsley
      @caseylindsley 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Every morning I wake up to a new R.H. video. It's literally part of my morning routine now.

    • @GammaRays134
      @GammaRays134 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I literally sung that.

    • @smokeskull
      @smokeskull 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Especially 2 strokes

  • @cr500mike
    @cr500mike 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    1991 Corvette had L-98 engine, 1992 corvette had LT-1 engine, 1992 LT-1 hit 172.2mph top speed, trouncing supra/rx-8, 300zx twin turbo, Mitsu VR-4 twin turbo.

    • @user-pe3mp6nx5e
      @user-pe3mp6nx5e 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I have a 1992 Vette. I love it. It's much smaller than new sports cars and the driving experience is amazing. So much better than those cars you mentioned. After driving one years ago, I knew that I had to buy one!

  • @georgew.morrowiii118
    @georgew.morrowiii118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I still have my1993 Z28 with LT4 Hot Cam, 1.6 roller rockers, B&M 2400, Jet-Hot ceramic coated headers

  • @jeremyhogan5840
    @jeremyhogan5840 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So cool to learn the history of the LT1 engines. During the 1970's, I was riding shotgun in my aunt's 1970 Classic White C3 Corvette Stingray coupe with side pipes. My hometown is near the Bowling Green assembly plant. My first visit to the Bowling Green assembly plant was on a school field trip when I was 10 years old. In 1989, I drove my uncle's 1989 white C4 Corvette to senior prom. My aunt and uncle both had automatics but my best friend's mom had a Monza Red Corvette Stingray with side pipes and a manual transmission. Watching her row through the gears had me hooked on manual transmissions. I took delivery of my very own 2015 Arctic White C7 Corvette Stingray Z51 manual 7 speed, on February 13, 2015.

    • @user-pe3mp6nx5e
      @user-pe3mp6nx5e 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Congratulations! Nice car!

  • @lucasmullins5100
    @lucasmullins5100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I'd like to see head comparison TFS, AFR advanced airflow or a big bang LT1 92-97 version.

    • @shannonmedley4058
      @shannonmedley4058 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And total engine airflow ported factory heads

    • @4thGenGarage
      @4thGenGarage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Advanced induction.

  • @benheisen2135
    @benheisen2135 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    GM's Coddling of the corvette has been fun to watch.

  • @jamesklink4698
    @jamesklink4698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    1993 corvette lt1 6speed manual here ...it is Funn#!!’

  • @TuLegit2
    @TuLegit2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    👍👍👍...! Can't wait for you to mod and show us the true potential of the 6.2 LT1 (Gen5) . Thank you much Richard!

  • @unleavenedkaraiteplus3412
    @unleavenedkaraiteplus3412 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Loved the comparison especially since we just acquired a clean 1995 Impala SS.

    • @DaveG1963
      @DaveG1963 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Miss my DCM 95 SS! I was always under the impression that the iron heads on the B Body LT1s flowed better than the aluminum on F Body’s.

  • @idletime
    @idletime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thanks Richard 😎 . Once again another great video and I know we all appreciate it. As one of the resident LT1 fans I'm still waiting for a budget Street and strip sleeper type build based on an intercooled boosted 90's 5.7 LT1 . These days the guy should be able to do that with a minimal budget and still make some real good power 🤔 🤓

  • @The_R-n-I_Guy
    @The_R-n-I_Guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Gen 2 LT1 fan here! I still want to see some budget testing of cams and heads if you can. My 96 Buick Roadmaster sedan needs more torque but I can't afford to waste money on parts unless they really work. By the way my engine has about 160,000 miles on the factory Opti. I'm surprised it survived a water pump change before I really knew anything about it. I have a new Opti I'm gonna use for parts to rebuild the original, since the original trigger/pickup or whatever it's called is better.

    • @the.reel.mccoy.
      @the.reel.mccoy. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Love the 90s gen 2 LT1 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

    • @travisquintero8334
      @travisquintero8334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thoroughly enjoy my Gen 2 LT1.. it's nestled in a 96 WS6 6sm.. it has a 150,000mi.. it's a MULE crossed with race horse!

    • @davidcallahan5157
      @davidcallahan5157 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      What gear ratio in Buick road Master?

    • @jacobking4106
      @jacobking4106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@the.reel.mccoy. get ready for a transmission first lol. Mine has 173k miles. Showed no signs of blowing up. Out of no where the sun shell busted.

    • @jacobking4106
      @jacobking4106 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidcallahan5157 mine has a 2.53 lol

  • @4thGenGarage
    @4thGenGarage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    🙋🏼‍♂️
    LT1 fan here! But I’m biased to gen2..

  • @erikturner5073
    @erikturner5073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm a Ford guy but to me the Chevy gen 2 was one of my favorites that GM made. It make good power and responds well to mods. A great street engine. Plus has a clean look. It's one of the nicest looking engines out there. Still the best looking swap engine in my opinion. Although I like the L31 vortec(better build platform) for the better heads and the 4 bolt mains as a plus. That 6.2L is making HOT 408 stroker build numbers to good 427 stroker numbers, in a package that can be driven everyday, impressive!!

  • @mikepodorski4272
    @mikepodorski4272 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The Gen 2 LT1 dominated in the 90s. It really ignited the horsepower wars. Ford didn't catch up until the 2000s, and Dodge had to build a V10.
    I would love to see the L8T 6.6 on the dyno.

  • @stonewall6551
    @stonewall6551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    had a 96 corvette with the LT4 loved it spun a rod bearing at 50K miles GM wanted 10K $ just for basic long block no labor ended up putting in a low mileage LT4 out of a bone yard. car creaked and rattled from everywhere but still loved it. as always life made me sell it. would love another

  • @keithlane4343
    @keithlane4343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent comparison Richard. My '96 C4 LT-1 always surprises me how quick it is for a "stock" engine.
    I'd definitely enjoy seeing a 1995 or 1996 LT-1 build with part numbers / grinders for the cam, and most importantly, how to tune the fuel injection, and ignition after the cam change .
    Excellent channel Bud

  • @Hotwire454
    @Hotwire454 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Richard, I know sitting at a dynometer day after day engine noise is a by product of your job and sometimes is probably annoying. BUT the general public / gearheads don't have the opportunity to twist whatever internal combustion engine they want to the moon. I'm hoping I'm not alone in missing the dyno noises in your vids? As always you're going over the top with info and it's always a great study to see what you've done! Thank you for what you're doing and the valuable data you're providing to everyone!

  • @mountainofeverest3861
    @mountainofeverest3861 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I like the original 1970. Back when you opened the hood and saw jewelry not plastic.

    • @Ktmfan450
      @Ktmfan450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Alot of that plastic is actually insulation to stop heat cooking your bonnet

    • @mattwiltfong2626
      @mattwiltfong2626 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      While I do agree they are a better looking engine I’d much rather have the extra 150hp, drivability and reliability.

    • @christopherhamilton4373
      @christopherhamilton4373 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can replace the plastic

    • @jardog16981
      @jardog16981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The original 92 lt1 had a full aluminum intake and magnesium valve covers still.

  • @regal105
    @regal105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Should take a gen 2 lt1 put a cam in it with the same specs as the gen 3 and see how it comepared

    • @michaelking1869
      @michaelking1869 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are very, very close stock. The 1.8 ratio roller rocker is where the lift comes in. The lobe lift isn't much different.

  • @jimkillen1065
    @jimkillen1065 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I appreciate the explanation on how the direct injection was able to run more compression and not get into detonation. More pressure over the piston makes more power

  • @jasonfikes9514
    @jasonfikes9514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great comparison, always enjoy seeing the outcome.

  • @MultiScotty12345
    @MultiScotty12345 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jazz hands in the conclusion lol.
    Yes to more comparisons like this one!!!
    Thanks for the testing Richard.

  • @alonzahanks1182
    @alonzahanks1182 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sure would like to see a big Duntov cam in LT!

  • @fascistpedant758
    @fascistpedant758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Surprising to see such similar curves with such different cams between Gen 1 & 2.

  • @justcallmevlad4218
    @justcallmevlad4218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just found this video. I would love for you to do tests on the gen 2 LT1. See what a ported heads, intake, big cam would do for it power wise

  • @madhatterz28
    @madhatterz28 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid to wake up to. I would love to see some back to back testing of cams and such on the Gen II.

  • @simplycorvettesc3corvettes659
    @simplycorvettesc3corvettes659 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this guys videos! If you want to learn about Chevrolet engine combinations this is the channel for you. From Gen 1 to Gen 5 this channel has a test of it! 👍

  • @MLFranklin
    @MLFranklin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I went with a '70 LT-1 clone for my '70 C10 because I wanted to keep it all old school. But those LS motors sure are tempting. I love EFI and built a few systems from scratch in grad school (using a 25MHz 486 PC and hand-wired prototype cards).

  • @tonymanns8249
    @tonymanns8249 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great article. I own both a 1994 Gen 2 LT1 M6 Trans Am and a 2005 LS2 M6 GTO. I've 1/4 mile raced them both and have also had both chassis dynoed. It is amazing that the Latest LT1 can make so much more HP and torque than any of it's predecessors. I've been told in the past that the heads control how much HP the cam can make.

  • @gregleenyit
    @gregleenyit 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey thanks Rich I would like to see more GEN II LT stuff intake manifold, throttle bodies, cylinder heads, cam shafts
    I know you have mentioned you've ran a fast controller on one. I would like to know more about that.
    I've owned a few of these cars never had an issue with the opti spark. had well over 100,000 miles on one that had
    two water pumps puke on it still never failed. I've only changed cap and rotor, maybe I,m lucky. Only issue I see is
    RPM range I don't really take em past 6000.
    Anyway I appreciate all of your work...Keep testin I keep watchin

  • @travispfannmuller7717
    @travispfannmuller7717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'd love to see a comparison between the original LS7 vs the modern version, and the L88 while you're aft it I'm sure you won't find them in the junkyard, but maybe a 100k sub treat?

  • @busarob1969
    @busarob1969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You what I like with Steve Morris engines, He doesn’t talk and talk and talk and talk, he just does!

  • @jamespepper2541
    @jamespepper2541 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I want to see your mid 90s Lt1 video. I like these engines, I think they still have good potential

  • @ztwntyn8
    @ztwntyn8 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man after my own heart whomever came up with this video. Hell yeah.

  • @BluMaGiKCj
    @BluMaGiKCj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I got 2 complete lt1 and one in my c1500. All gen 2 1995

  • @xXcashXx3
    @xXcashXx3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    90s lt1 is under rated but LS cheapness has taken over

    • @DerickZ28
      @DerickZ28 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They were underrated from the factory too.

    • @AgentEran
      @AgentEran 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yup. It's def the red head stepchild of the chevy v8. I have a 530hp LT4 in my c4. I absolutely love gapping many many ls cars. They be mad.

    • @rebel9976
      @rebel9976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      how the fuck are LS cheap????? literally i believe the opposite

    • @stlchucko
      @stlchucko 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rebel9976
      Because you can find running LS engines for under $500 and even the smallest mildest 4.8L makes over 300HP... and even that one is a cam swap away from making 400hp.

    • @philortega6516
      @philortega6516 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stlchucko remember,those are flywheel numbers

  • @BBC540ci
    @BBC540ci 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Richard from across the pond. Just wanted to say really enjoy your videos and watch most days. Are there any plans to do more on the M112 /122 Eaton supercharger on an LM7? Cheers Joe

  • @TommioRS
    @TommioRS 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Love me some LT1 action. Now you have me itching for LT5 vs. LT5! So 90-95 ZR-1 vs 19 ZR1.

  • @Fernando-Lopez67
    @Fernando-Lopez67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Even if same displacement it would still make more power. They're all great engines. It's amazing to see how far they have came. Even the first Lt1 was amazing.

  • @jmitchell513
    @jmitchell513 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have that shirt! The back says, "Never judge an engine by it's size" 😄

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Certainly not a highly modded twin turbo Coyote!!

    • @travisquintero8334
      @travisquintero8334 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like John Holmes said" There is no replacement for displacement"

  • @scottmcmullen7541
    @scottmcmullen7541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great comparison! I like these type videos

  • @Stclairm1
    @Stclairm1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looking forward to some Gen V LT1 work.

  • @DaveG1963
    @DaveG1963 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The LT1s were known to Dyno out to 360HP, why GM underrated them is unknown. Of course we know GM wasn’t gonna allow a Camaro to rate the same as a flagship Corvette. Politics! I also agree the 5th Gen LT-1 is not the same as the original small block Chevy, so not really a comparison in my opinion. Good video and another thing to prove to those that put the 2nd Gen LT1 down don’t know what they are talking about 😉

  • @dannycarwile1330
    @dannycarwile1330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a 2017 Camaro SS with the LT1 so I was glad you did the comparison. It's rated as 455/455 from factory but i got mine on a dyno after long tube headers, LT4 throttle body and Roto Fab CAI and got 402 at the wheels. Not impressive but after reviewing the data it went rich after 5500 so killed some HP. I have gradually pulled fuel so I would guess it may be around 410-415 now cus it peaked out at 5700 rpm and this engine has way more to go.

    • @nightfall1le359
      @nightfall1le359 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Add flex fuel if it’s available to you & get some porting done. Best bang for the buck mods on these by far. I just had 2” headers, Pray ported stock IM/TB, Rotofab dry & a flex fuel kit to my car. Also had Pray do a dyno tune & it put down 469RW on his dyno. Best he’s ever gotten on a stock motor was 398... it was hot & humid as hell when mine was done so I wouldn’t have even been there for a baseline.

  • @stevefranklin9920
    @stevefranklin9920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My brother and I stuck a early LT1 in my ‘69 GMC 1500 2wd with a three on the tree and 3:73 limited slip diff. It would spin into third even with MT L60’s on the rear and I never found top end! The fastest I ever took it was the speedo all the way around and back to 20! Anyone who might doubt this can ask the girl I was trying to impress and my friend who told me it was time to slow down! Lol! It’s a bad feeling when the front end is floating!

  • @user-kb2bs9hy2v
    @user-kb2bs9hy2v หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Richard love this channel.
    The 1994 LT- 1.
    The engine was driving the water 💧 pump.
    So.... add another 20 horsepower to the 1994 engine??? 🤔

  • @jhoncho4x4
    @jhoncho4x4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video
    Still patiently waiting : AMC 360

  • @mercedes-amgforlife3237
    @mercedes-amgforlife3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have a 96 Corvette lt1 in my 72 Corvette. I put the LTCC on it to eliminate the high voltage side of the optispark, so basically the optispark is like one big crank trigger. I love the gen 2 lt1 as they are always downed and are the red headed stepchild of the SBC.

  • @johnsmulders8535
    @johnsmulders8535 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Richard, like you I like the old school stuff too.. My father scored a ‘70 LT1 long motor in the mid to late 70s (out of his Boss’ genuine LT1 Vette which had a BB fitted!!) and put it in his ‘69 Holden Ute here in Oz!!! Was an impressive car - even as a 7 or 8 year old kid!!
    Hard to ignore the technological advances of the Gen V. I was surprised to see a relatively flat torque curve from the short runner intake on the second gen LT1.. would a long runner intake add value in that application ?

  • @michaelsnyder3470
    @michaelsnyder3470 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    are you doing all of your dynos on pump gas ? i havent really noticed you specify that just curious?

  • @r3d-1truth17
    @r3d-1truth17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Quick question- you never explained fuel management for gen2 LT1... how were you operating the engine to obtain that rpm runout? Thank you

  • @tiitsaul9036
    @tiitsaul9036 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cam duration difference is huge! Amazing how much power a modern engine is able to make with such small cam. I wonder what power would 250 degrees cam make in gen 5

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Would probably have to turn off VCT with a cam that big to prevent valve to piston interference. Loosing the advantages of VCT might not make the swap worth it.

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The port design of the LT series engines is based loosely upon the LS7 head port design, and that's the best flowing LS head PERIOD. Given the stock power, I don't see why a heads/cam/VCT delete LT1 can't make 700hp N/A.

  • @USALT1
    @USALT1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought my first Corvette in 1972, it was a 1971 LT1, one of my friends had a 1970 LT1 & everytime we raced I beat him, usually by about a fender, he had a hard time accepting the because he had 370hp to my 330hp. Even though it only had 9 to1 compression, it ran really good back in the early 1970's. Right now I have a 1965 Corvette with a 1972 LT1 short block & Performer RPM heads, milled to 58cc, 10.6 to1 compression & it runs pretty good.

  • @patlandymore7035
    @patlandymore7035 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the fact you foreshadowed this test two days ago with your opening monologue Richard!
    👍🏼👍🏼
    To better compare the old LT1’s to the new one I did this:
    (519/6.2) * 5.7= 477HP equivalent for a make believe 5.7 litre current tech LT1.
    I know, not totally accurate but closer.
    The new tech rocks!!
    Awesome test!

  • @angelovasilikos7980
    @angelovasilikos7980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another awesome video! Thank you Richard. My question is with the compression. 11.5 on pump gas ?that doesn’t require high octane?

    • @Fauxbra
      @Fauxbra 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope, modern combustion chamber design, ECU capability and the use of knock sensors allow ratios as high as 12:1 on pump gas now.

    • @angelovasilikos7980
      @angelovasilikos7980 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Marc B so what problems would be associated with higher compression other then wear and tear? Running hotter etc?

  • @richardmaaske2601
    @richardmaaske2601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In 1970 -The 1970 LT-1 Engine in Corvette. Had bigger inch exhaust pipes ,and had 2- Signal Mufflers. In the 1970 Camaro Z-28 LT-1. Exhaust pipes smaller. And the Exhaust went into 1- Muffler,. That was than 360 HP And out tail pipes. That add back pressure, cut down the Horsepower. I have a 1970 Chevy Camaro Z-28. I changed too- two and a half inch round Exhaust Pipes. And Two Mufflers. That put Horsepower up to 370 Horsepower

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My favorite Muscle car SBC-but those motors never made 370 hp through stock manifolds-even with your exhaust mod-I built one and tested it

  • @kraftzion
    @kraftzion 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have recently found your channel and have learned a lot, thanks! A couple of questions, possible tests I would like to know the answer to. 1: Is there a difference in hp/torque between over head cam and over head valve? 2: Is it possible to run both carb and injection at the same time as in using the carb for the baseline then using the injectors to correct a/f between the cylinders so you get both charge cooling and equal distribution? Thanks again for all the info.

    • @NBSV1
      @NBSV1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If everything is kept the same simply going to an overhead cam doesn’t really gain you anything. You might see a couple of hp from the lighter valvetrain but that’s about it. The gains from overhead cam are from all the things it makes it easier to take advantage of. Like light weight valve train, more valves, better valve angles, and sometimes bigger cam profiles.
      You could run both a carb and injection, but it adds extra complexity. Now you’re looking to sort if a problem is from the carb or the injection. At a point you are better off just running one or the other. The charge cooling could be handled by a simple methanol injection kit that sprays into the intake under load.

    • @danmyers9372
      @danmyers9372 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree OHC cams per se don’t add any power if everything is the same. One if the biggest advantages which NBSV1 alluded to is the the weight savings and stability of the valve train which allows the engine to rev higher than a comparable pushrod engine. And of course more revs = more HP.

  • @seanbrimhall4163
    @seanbrimhall4163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hooray! Some Gen V LT1 content!

  • @codyles4248
    @codyles4248 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Richard I'm thinking of getting a first tpi intake which I know you have mentioned before, I would love to see a test of it compared to a stock tpi. Also cam and head options for that intake on a 350 or a 383.

  • @Linwood_Garage
    @Linwood_Garage 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this comparison but I feel the older motors would have had a better comparison to the ls1. Keep up the great work.

  • @andrewdonohue1853
    @andrewdonohue1853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have a 1996 Z28 LT1. i love that engine, a torque monster. even in stock trim with very minor mods like a PCM tune. the car has 255K on it, transmission redone a couple of years ago with a shift kit and higher stall converter. i have daily summer driven this car since 2014. while the paint is beat, it's still a clean car and i love driving it. it's not worth ALLOT so im just going to keep it and drive it as i have been.

  • @MWR-lg9qp
    @MWR-lg9qp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great work. Thank you.

  • @AutoRepairTips
    @AutoRepairTips 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The gen 2 lt1 has a windage tray as well. Not just the gen 5. Maybe not as good but still has one.

    • @lb9gta307
      @lb9gta307 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was going to make this comment too

  • @modtodd82
    @modtodd82 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gen 1 is 1.009hp per ci, Gen 2 is 1.037hp per ci, Gen 3 is 1.362hp per ci. Great test, great video!!!!

  • @jeffreyarthur1056
    @jeffreyarthur1056 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always wanted to do the 3 inch crank from the 4.3 in a 4 inch bore one piece seal block. Cant wait for the gen 2 302 build @wringing hands here lol

  • @Misterfairweather
    @Misterfairweather 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really cool seeing the gen 2 and the 1970 LT-1 side by side I didn't realize the output was so close. Is the cams getting more lift in the newest gen a byproduct of better springs and lifters? I always heard emissions as the claim but that seems more of an argument for the LSA than the lift.

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's for emissions. The wide LSA and low duration camshaft is a recipe for VERY minimal overlap (for silky smooth idle) and decent higher RPM performance (if you can call 5000RPM high lol), but the high lift is there to raise the low end torque enough for even towing applications WITHOUT sacrificing emissions.
      On the contrary, a high duration and tight LSA camshaft is a recipe for overlap. Overlap is a HUGE detriment to emissions because as you know the intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time, which means a portion of the A/F mixture goes into the exhaust at the top of the exhaust stroke. The unburnt fuel is burnt at the catalytic converter (that's the entire purpose of a CAT converter) along with the excess of fuel igniting raises the Cat temperature significantly and destroys it VERY quickly.

  • @robertmacpeek424
    @robertmacpeek424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video & idea. I love the chronological recording of the "LT1" moniker. I've always understood the original ("LT-1")was quite "racy" for its day, much like the Legendary DZ302 was. Solid flat tappet cam, high comp & a carb to match. Awesome!
    Like many folks had a "Clinton-era" LT1 myself 20 years ago as the LS1 F-bodies were killing everyone & thing in sight lol. Typical stuff on my 30th Anv edition car: mild comp CC-305 cam, Meziere (sp?) elec w/pump (an interesting upgrade to perform, nothing horrible just a little different because of the eccentric sprocket above & driven off the back side of the cam sprocket)bolt-ons, LT4 knock module etc. Very impressed with the EFI LT1 numbers too!
    Of course the New LT series w/DI is truly a different animal. Pretty amazing stuff though, especially in a world of OHC engines. Nothing against those designs but OHV stuff just always seems to captivate & excite me.

  • @cmdr_talikarni
    @cmdr_talikarni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like these as a "look how far we've come" aspect. Of course the modern tech will produce more power from a smaller package, but it has decades of technological advances to help it do so.

  • @elliottstevens8564
    @elliottstevens8564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love all of them. Especially all that tech in the 6.2L. But....1970 = clackety, clackety, tick, tick, tick SOLID CAM!!! ♥️♥️

  • @user-nl7we4fq1e
    @user-nl7we4fq1e 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is really two LT-1 in 1970. I had them both, still have my Vette. With LaMans blue paint! Built on November 6, 1969. Which had one of the original batch made over the summer and the testing on. My ‘70 Z28 on the other hand was built in March of 70! The Difference is: drum roll… Free floating wrist pins in my Vette! NOT in the Z which has a windage tray. The Vette had the Harrison mag pluse T drive distributor. 5 qt. Pan with baffling. So there is a 10 HP difference accounted for!

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      a factory Camaro LT-1 in 1970 had a windage tray? pins would change nothing but that difference would be odd for an assembly line motor

    • @user-nl7we4fq1e
      @user-nl7we4fq1e 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep! Camaro had the windage tray mounted on 5 of the inner 6 bolts which locked on either side of the pan by tac welded rails. 1970 to 1974 Z28. I’m 66 Sold parts, service writer, finally a salesman for CHEVROLET. As well as Motion Baldwin. Read my story in ISLIP SPEEDWAY AND THE TWO SIX PACKS! Soon to be a major motion picture!

  • @MLFranklin
    @MLFranklin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd like to see a power comparison between DISI, PFI, and high upstream TBI or PFI to show the advantages of charge cooling. All with the same block, manifold shape, and cam.

  • @gregoryrobinson1004
    @gregoryrobinson1004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting comparison

  • @captnemo8069
    @captnemo8069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If your looking for early '90 LT1's, don't forget GM also put them in Buicks. I drive a 1993 Buick Roadmaster station wagon, all OEM and that car flies. Recently at a stoplight, next to a 2007 Mustang revving his engine I floored it. My wagon, loaded with tools in the back at the time, beat the Mustang to the next light, about a quarter mile.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've found quite a few in Buicks and full size caprice in junkyards

  • @clifford_2zero7
    @clifford_2zero7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got a gen 2 LT1 in my 30th Z/28. Im putting in a set of LE2 ported stock heads, a custom grind cam, Le ported stock intake with all the best bolt ons, racetronix fuel pump, 36lb injectors 24x, hptuners etc etc too much to list but I should be around 420 whp mark give or take. That's my goal at least. She should scream decent!😎 stock bottom still, at ~70k miles. I've had the car since August 2010 t56 t-top car wouldn't have it any other way!! 😅😅

  • @Wrenchen-with-Darren
    @Wrenchen-with-Darren 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your incredible, you must live in the dino room. And thanks for doing it. 👍

  • @MafiaboysWorld
    @MafiaboysWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Easiest way to make it fair: Take out the displacement & look at the hp/litre of each motor to see which is better/more efficient.
    Gen 1 & 2 are around 60hp/litre with their 350hp at 5.7L
    Gen 5 is over 80hp/litre with almost 520hp at 6.2L.
    That's around 33% better efficiency over the years. 👍

    • @kurtstrains
      @kurtstrains 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Also you could do a 383 stroker on the earlier motors. 383ci ~ 6.2L

    • @MafiaboysWorld
      @MafiaboysWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kurtstrains 383 isn't 6.2 though, it's actually a 6.3. The 6.2 in the Gen 5 is a 376. 👍
      Remember, 1000cc is 61.02ci, and gotta round it down if it's

    • @W.A.R.R.
      @W.A.R.R. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      MafiaboysWorld and if you wanted to make it more fair, you could calculate in the weight of the car that each engine would be in. Also the 96-97 lt1 was rated higher in hp than the 93-95

    • @MafiaboysWorld
      @MafiaboysWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@W.A.R.R. I was based off Richards' numbers. I'm not being that asinine to give you each year model, work it out yourself.

    • @MafiaboysWorld
      @MafiaboysWorld 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CC Ryder Your response missed the point completely. Engine efficiency has nothing to do with a cars weight. It doesn't matter if the car weighs 2000lbs or 4000lbs, it's what hp/litre is. We're not looking at power to weight. 🤦

  • @user-pe3mp6nx5e
    @user-pe3mp6nx5e 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I loved it! I have a 92 corvette with Gen 2 Lt1. I will swap the new gen v Lt1 in it asap. Big cam, too! 550hp net... Going with the Tremec 7 speed.

  • @mgbchuck6527
    @mgbchuck6527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting, modern tech FTW--(still a Gen 1 fan though)

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the DI is truly insane, the 5.3LT matches the power output of a 6.0 LS.

  • @dennisjackson3531
    @dennisjackson3531 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Richard how can we help support your channel . You are the best !

  • @escuelaviejafarms
    @escuelaviejafarms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That new LT1 has some cajones!

    • @jonathanlawson4667
      @jonathanlawson4667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes LT1 gen 6 has over 500hp that's a beast

    • @escuelaviejafarms
      @escuelaviejafarms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ChrisHallett83 it looks like they are around 9k for a long block, I will have to keep that in mind for the next project 🤘😁🤘.

  • @corypierce202
    @corypierce202 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s interesting how much torque the Gen 2 LT1 had considering the very short intake runners. It must have really been held back with its camshaft. A huge cam to match the intake runner could really make that little engine shine . It’s too bad cam swaps weren’t popular during the Gen 2 heyday

    • @ShyaMiss
      @ShyaMiss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a 93z28 that I put Llyod Elliot ported heads, ported intake, 58mm dual blade throttle body, bigger injectors (cant remember how big), aftermarket billet optispark (called a dynaspark), a large rowdy cam that was recommended by Llyod. Longtubes, true duals etc... It went from a good running, fun car, to an absolute MONSTER for an N/A 350 cube small block. Just how it would have run on the track, I dont know. But it certainly had no troubles with any ls1 it crossed back then. Admittedly, heavily modded ls1 cars were few and far between at that point, but it's a good point of reference. Ls's start at an advantage, but the LT1 was certainly no slouch.

    • @clifford_2zero7
      @clifford_2zero7 ปีที่แล้ว

      In my 30th Z/28 Im putting in a set of LE2 ported stock heads, a custom grind cam, Le ported stock intake with all the best bolt ons, racetronix fuel pump, 36lb injectors 24x, hptuners etc etc too much to list but I should be around 420 whp mark give or take. That's my goal at least. She should scream well!😎 stock bottom still, at ~70k miles. Ive had the car since August 2010.

  • @jeremyhughes899
    @jeremyhughes899 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Richard what kind of ignition control box are u using on the gen2 lt1. I got a c4 vetter thats in dire need of a new way to control the motor

    • @lb9gta307
      @lb9gta307 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would suggest a 24x conversion

  • @genuinepozer2957
    @genuinepozer2957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    70 LT1 360 versus 370hp in Vette, remember the L78 (396) in the vette it was rated 425hp all other variants were 375. I don’t believe there was any difference then either.

  • @johnnixon2504
    @johnnixon2504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think a comparison of stock cam 5.3L from gen 3-5 would be pretty cool. From “old” school LS to modern VVT and DI

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      rich did a test with a vast number of stock LS series cams (early truck, Gen4 truck, LS1, LS6, LS3, LS9). As far as specs go, the new LT1 cam is comparable to the stock LS3 camshaft.

  • @mikechiodetti4482
    @mikechiodetti4482 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The modern one has the higher power at a higher RPM, but is leaner and cleaner on fuel and has stock GM parts availability.

  • @mermaiddreams83
    @mermaiddreams83 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes LT1!!! As many others have said please do more gen 2 LT1 testing of all aftermarket heads as well as well ported stock heads!!! Testing of ported LT1 intake manifold as well as LT4 ported intake manifold which most be milled to use on LT1 head's and the aftermarket Edelbrock LT1 air gap intake manifold as cast and a ported version!!!! Would also be great to test some upgraded valve train components as well!!! Lt1's are really not right now in the build world and I bet you would get thousands of views on this topic!!!!

    • @mermaiddreams83
      @mermaiddreams83 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LT1's are really HOT 🔥right now in the build world 🌎!!!

  • @derrelcarter9401
    @derrelcarter9401 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What has been your experience with the sludge build up in intakes and heads on the modern DI engines?? Would water/alcohol use keep the intake tracts uhhhh steam cleaned and help prevent this build up??

  • @matthewhaga5400
    @matthewhaga5400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Before me, the comments were 283😊my favorite gen 1 small block

  • @96floorshiftss26
    @96floorshiftss26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    you should do a gen 2 lt1 vs a ls1

    • @jkheslekrants
      @jkheslekrants 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd like to see Gen II LT4 vs LS1

    • @tsmi5807
      @tsmi5807 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My 97 Camaro z with LT1 is rated at factory at 285 horse , my 97 Vette with LS1 is rated at 345hp,, and thats about the difference that I feel in the seat of my pants too,,the LS One is a good step up from the LT1.

  • @ninjahawg94
    @ninjahawg94 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gen 2 fan here. I'd like to see a Gen 2 LT1 F or Y body version & a L99 B body engine part swapped to make a 305 Cid version and compare it to the two displacement parents & a Lb9 TPI.
    I'd also like to see some aftermarket support for the modern LV3 and a comparison between the Gen 1 4.3 v6 & the LV3 version.

  • @shawnsanders9450
    @shawnsanders9450 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Even if you had tested the 5.3 gen V engine, which is the same design as the 6.2 LT1, it would have made just as much power or more than the gen ll LT1. Modern technology is a great thing.

  • @jeffjarquin5600
    @jeffjarquin5600 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Still want to see a carbed gen 2 Lt1

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      would make a couple numbers higher because of charge cooling. 5hp MAX through the curve.

  • @markcontreras9334
    @markcontreras9334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Gen 2 LT1 is a great motor

  • @LEXLUTHER66666
    @LEXLUTHER66666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love these 2nd Gen LT1's! I have a 94 Impala SS with the iron heads I'd love to see how the stack up against the aluminum heads from the corvette or the dual overhead version of the LT5

    • @theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576
      @theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The lt5 is a completely different engine

    • @LEXLUTHER66666
      @LEXLUTHER66666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 I'm aware i still want to see how the LT4 and LT5 stand up against the cast iron head lt1 and aluminum head lt1. I had to work on them in a really cool Mastercraft ski boat

    • @theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576
      @theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LEXLUTHER66666 oh alright, it just seemed like you thought the lt5 was just a dual overhead cam version of the lt1, which it definitely isn't.

    • @LEXLUTHER66666
      @LEXLUTHER66666 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theyhatehimbecausehetoldth7576 its certainly different. Made for a fast Prostar though

    • @nikothevirgo
      @nikothevirgo ปีที่แล้ว

      From factory the cast flows better than the aluminum LT1 heads. It's when you start to port them is when the aluminum surpasses the cast

  • @Scott9181970
    @Scott9181970 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know I'm late to the party, but I'd really like to see every significant factory version of the Chevy small block (Gen I, Gen II, LT5, LS, LT) with a comparable modern camshaft and lifter/rocker arrangement put against each other on a dyno

  • @sseibonnevilleman
    @sseibonnevilleman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My 95 Roadmaster would run low 14s with almost no performance mods and got 24 mpg at 75-80 mph. The LT-1 was a huge step forward for GM.

    • @Don-et3yp
      @Don-et3yp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Darnell Craig That big old barn door getting 24 mpg at 75-80, I call BS. I have a S550 mustang GT manual shift that will get 26-27 mpg at 65-70. It will get 31 mpg at 55. Boring as it gets. At 80 mph maybe 24 mpg. This car is lighter and more aerodynamic then a 95 Buick Roadmaster wagon.
      I am and always have been a Chevy man and grew up with the small block Chevy. I still have three Chevrolets with a small block and two of the are LT1s

    • @sicknick5882
      @sicknick5882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My caprice would get that too.

    • @sseibonnevilleman
      @sseibonnevilleman 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don Grizzelle the Roadmaster is pretty aerodynamic, add in the OD trans, 2.73 gears and a 30” tall tire. mine was the sedan also. I have a picture of the tach and speedo where I’m going 80 mph and the tach is at 1800 rpm. I owned that car for 3 years total and drove it all over the eastern US. Around town it wasn’t nearly as good but the interstate is where it shined.

  • @jaygiberson4900
    @jaygiberson4900 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just had my 72 LT-1 motor rebuilt, we pulled 369hp and 390tq on the dyno with only changing compression from 9 to 9.25 and cleaning up the heads on pump gas. Ill put that car up against any C4 from 0-125 where it really matters!

  • @adeptpeasant6161
    @adeptpeasant6161 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great info Richard!
    Can you please, someday go into detail about Octane? On regards of possibly having too high of it where it actually losses power when there's not enough compression ratio and or ignition spark to take any advantage of it.
    Thanks

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can never have too much octane, but there's no point to running race gas unless you NEED it. Depending on who you ask, 11-12:1 is the compression ratio limit on pump gas. Higher octane=more timing=more power. If you run too much timing you may lose power, that's regardless of fuel though.
      Theres no mechanical downside to using higher octane with a low compression engine (8-10.5:1), whereas theres lots of potential downside to using too low an octane on a high compression engine (~11:1+).

    • @adeptpeasant6161
      @adeptpeasant6161 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rustysausage69 I have to disagree with you as I've experienced less hp with higher then needed Octane on a 1973 CB 125 6 volt system. I ran 91 leaded gas on her and ran crappy but, when I used 85 unleaded it ran fine. Not sure if the 6 volt system had something to do with this?

    • @rustysausage69
      @rustysausage69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adeptpeasant6161 I'm not saying the idea is wrong, but I assure you the leaded/unleaded fuel change was a significant source of how it ran.

  • @HondaATC330R
    @HondaATC330R 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes!! More gen 2 videos please!! ;) Thanks!