Appreciate there will be a lot of questions on this one! Please fire away, or take a listen to the full length interview over on Spotify, Amazon or Apple Podcasts. Enjoy... I think.
How is 440c in Andy's words different to chromium steel? It is a chrome steel*! Did he mean difference to lower grade nickel stainless? Or does he simply not know the subject by bringing up typical high carbon steel the very next sentence? Upd: ah, yes, he calls high carbon "chromium". *to clear up the confusion, chrome steels are such with Chromium content over 8%. Starting up from 12...13 (depending on other additives and national standard) such steels become stainless. 440C in the meantime has 16..18%
Went off enduro bearings very quickly after getting a couple of sets of wheel bearings a few years back. They really aren't that good. Skf on the other hand, worth every penny and never any issues. Last forever and smooth as butter
Same experience here. Enduro are mid-range quality at best. I found it virtually impossible to run enduro as main bearings on the rear wheel, they just wear out within a few hundred kilometers. Any Japanese brand is way better -- such as FAG, NTN, Nachi and the likes. The OEM bearings for DT hubs are also good, but not the Hope ones (which I suspect are white label enduros).
I've bought enduro bearings for my previous bike some were basically faulty as they were gritty from new. Most were fine. But Enduro Max bearings that came on my 2019 Geometron G1 were perfect. But they probably inspected them before installing them. All are still smooth. So far the don't have play, but due to health problems I've not ridden super much the last years. But I did not bother returning the faulty bearings for that old crappy bike i had (2014 Trek Fuel Ex) this was years ago. So I don't have a proper conclusion. Quality might have increased, or there were just bad batches. The bad bearings were just a few small ones.
Some Engineering highlights... Bigger balls, gives a bigger contact patch, which reduces friction... mmm interesting thought pattern. Oh look at our 440C bearings made of stainless steel, they won't corrode (although they will even in tap water) but they completely fail to point out that stainless steel is way softer than chrome steel so it'll vibrate nicely when they get pitted and the servicing once a year is because it is highly prone to galling... oh and lets not forget the £180 price vs 2x chrome steel bearings made in Japan by Toyama for £18. Some of this stuff makes my blood boil. About 7-8 years ago, a guy from enduro industrial division came along to sell me industrial bearings. Their technical support and understanding was a joke. I see not much has improved. I would welcome the opportunity to have a debate with this lot. Ceramicspeed didn't want to do it, I doubt enduro would either. They know they are selling snake oil to a market which is gullible enough to believe it. The test report they has completely ignored SKF, NTN, NSK, FAG which between them control 60% of the bearing market. This is just appalling.
And yet here we are. NTN etc bearings rust, Enduro 440c bearings Gall. I hope I presented this and making a choice that’s right for you. I think the point of the bigger balls was load distribution. Gotta be a good thing in an ebike headset.
I have used Enduro bearings in my wheels and they are great. I’m currently running a set of NSK bearings on one of my bikes and they are performing well.
I have nothing personal about Enduro but the reality is that NSK and SKF have extremely refined processes and very efficient quality control procedures from material selection to complex hardening sequences. Enduro buys quality bearings from Chinese manufacturers. The warranty is the selling point. Just remember if production costs are so low that you can afford to replace them willy nilly it's probably not the bearing you want. Time isn't free.
Hi this is Mike who was on the podcast and just for info we make our bearings in our own manufacturing facility in Singapore and in also in Taiwan. I agree that companies like SKF, NTN etc make excellent products however I would argue that our materials, QC and industrial processes are equal to those huge bearing companies, but we only make bearings for bicycles!!
@@MikeJohnston-xf6vr Does making bicycle bearings involves to keep quality control subpar compared to the industrial bearing companies standards? Profit margins must be your priority over consumer satisfaction. We switched over industrial bearings at the bike shop because Enduro don't last and servicing hubs is not something you want to do every damn season.
Cool vid. Glad I watched. I bought pivot bearings for trek fuel 1.5yr ago through Enduro USA and they've been flawless. The staff I dealt with were also excellent and accurate. Would buy again!
The time I finally ditched an orange bike with a single pivot bearing and onto a santacruz which comes with a lifetime of free bearings, they come with Enduro which don't last very long in the muck and dampness of the northwest of england. I then bought an E-bike which used 12 bearings. On the first change of bearings I spent £90 on enduro full complement bearings and they lasted 700 miles. I spent just over £100 on SKF bearings and they have lasted 3 times as long. Another example is a front hub bearing on my cannondale super x - In the UK, Enduro were the only company that could supply this bearing. It lasted 500 miles on a front hub! I took a chance and bought some chinese bearings for the same size from aliexpress and they have lasted twice as long. I like that its easy to get enduro bearings but they are not up to mud / water / grime / mud.
FYI Maxhit bb is 42 g heavier than a SRAM DUB bb. Also, gently test fit your crank spindle. My DUB spindle was slightly oversized and wouldn’t fit into bearings. I used some 1500 grit sandpaper to remove probably 1/5000” of the spindle to get them to fit properly. Bb shell was checked and it was concentric. Another DUB crank fit perfect. After massaging the spindle it installs perfect and spins very smooth.
We used enduro bearings for bb90 trek bottom brackets with orange metal/rubber covers. Between 2011 and 2013 they were utter crap. Te customers came back with squeaking bottom bracket after one rainy ride. Hundreds of them failed that way. We started to open them - the grease inside was like frozen butter - one inner race turn without covers squeezed the grease out. We had to fix the Enduro mess for each 2437 bearing we got. But most of them survived about 1000-1500 miles and started to show first signs of wear. Even if used in dry conditions.
My experience with Enduro has generally been pretty poor. When I have bought them I have gone for the black oxide versions and they just don't seem to last that long, and I service, and I mean really service, regularly. I'd also take issue with their warranty claims. It's all good and well saying they will never ask questions, they will just replace you bearing, but I challenge them to actually put those words down on paper. It just won't happen. If anybody is in the tech space, this feels eerily similar to the LinusTechTips "trust us bro" warranty,which he had to seriously row back on. I absolutely agree that bearings should be serviced annually at a minimum, but as he said, it is subjective, and that will be their get out of jail free card, and there is nothing the consumer can do about it. They will say we don't think it has been serviced yearly and just deny the claim. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong though. My new bike has through bearing headset cabling, so their 440C bearings sound ideal, but my comments above and Hambini's below make me cautious.
Sure. It’s good to be cautious. I think I got that across with my questioning. That said, no other brand is attempting to warranty headset bearings we now run hoses through.
@@Mapdec To be fair, it’s probably worth a shot for my headset bearings. Do you know the best place to source them in the UK? And where the service centre for warranty claims for UK customers is?
My Rotor Bottom bracket ceramic bearing on my ADHX was notchy at 1000km, at 3000km it was so bad that it was causing wear marks on the crank. I replaced them with NTN 6805LLU. Rotor claim it's a wear and tear items, so they don't warranty it, only the shell. First and last time I spend extra on bearing, I will just stick with high quality steel bearing. They are cheap and good. I got the press tool, so now if they ever fail again it's a 30 minutes (or less) job to swap them out, I won't waste my time regreassing them or anything like that. Japan bearing are around $10 each, others (TPI, Takino, etc) are like $2-3 each. I went with NTN because they have a QR code that you can validate authenticity with what they call Authenti Bear app. I'm sure other made in Japan bearing are great too. I feel lot of people panic with bearing durability. Myself included before. Once you have the tool and realize how easy it is to swap them out, it change the perspective. If my bottom bracket fail again, it will be cheaper to fix than replacing my set of brake pads.
I service my MTB's myself so I don't see myself as their target audience. I keep my bikes next to my bedroom and not in the water lol, so mid-tier 15$ headset bearing for example lasts me 2 years - minimum. This year I've replaced linkage bearings costing a total of around 100$ per bike, those replaced like 4 year old bearings just because I thought it's been a while for them. Well the new ones will last 5 years and hopefully extra two after re-grease. I really don't justify 180$ for BB for casual riders and especially for road bikes which you can keep clean all the time. This is purely from my experience.
I have used uxcell 6903-2RS Ceramic Bearings with great success on a Trek Madone BB. That said........I have a BBInfinite BB replacement of the DUB system that came with the Cannondale which are the Ceramatech bearings. Holding up well and super smooth so far. Great video however on Enduro.
Enduro bearings are the best representation of cycling industry. Nothing extreme, solid all-rounder. And just like bikes in general, overpriced. But not super overpriced either.
Although they are more expensive than any of the shelf bottom brackets, the claims they make with the lifetime promise, I will give it a chance maybe. I also like their attitude of "we just want to be easy to work with and have happy customers". Wish more brands in the MTB scene would take that as an example **cough S-Works **cough...
Max type bearings common in industry. One extra ball generally. Not new with enduro but SKF/MRC been at max type bearings for a very long time. 40 years at least.
I sense a 'project farm' style test of Enduro v Tier 1 bearings. Tier 1 being NTN et al, ref Hambini. Short answer is both will be better than cheap no name bearings.
Upgrading the steel on there stainless bearings is something they could look into swapping to lc400n would be great a vast improvement in corrosion resistance
Great video Paul & crew Surprised on King’s results. Interested on more info as it develops. After 30 + years in retail, manufacturing and guiding I’ve never heard a bad word about Chris King.
Same here. The write us explains how the Chris king seal does not hold up to the accelerated load test used. It also explains how corrosion is the fastest killer of bearings and why CK performs well.
The fact that the CK performs badly in their testing just proves their test is entirely flawed. Anyone with long experience with CK headsets and BBs knows they are effectively "perfect" (or as perfect as a consumable part can be).
Another great video! I’m wondering about the bb86 sram dub press fit option they offer. Looks like a double row of bearings. Would love to know your thoughts on whether this would be worth a try to make most of challenging combination?
Thanks for this video. I was allways wondering why there are C3 Baerings for bikes. I knew them only for high speed applications. Thanks for that info.- (17:00)
1) If you want substantive empirical technical info on bearings consult Hambini’s technical pages or the specific manufacturer. 2) Bearings are consumable parts ! …….expect to replace them commensurate with bike usage and usage conditions 3) Enduro offer convenience of purchase and try to penetrate the market by stressing ‘bicycle specific’ ……however from personal experience there are much better choices out there (in both performance feel, longevity, and dare I say cost) ……depending on your perspective. 4) ‘Lifetime guarantee ‘ on a consumable part, subject to proof of annual servicing ……… IMO wholly incongruous, unconvincing and promotion of a potential ‘Swiss Cheese’ guarantee. Paul suggest Enduro are invited to add a link here to their full written terms of Lifetime Guarantee, including all the definitions so we know exactly what they are prepared to standby and what is legally enforceable. 🤔
Hey Kevin. 1) Hambini’s website is excellent, but still short on info on corrosion, which is the biggest killer of his BB and NTN etc bearings. We have pretty much given up with them in all but the best summer bikes as they rust so fast. 2&3) I agree. But enduro serve the pivot bearing market well. Making corrosion resistant versions of some very obscure bearing designs. 4) watch this space. I am fitting some 440c headsets to my adhx 45 that I will ride to death.
@@Mapdec Paul defo appreciate conditions in the Lakes much like here (Dartmoor) …….lumpy and wet such that nowadays I always opt for full contact seals, that’s the personal selection for me, also mainly road orientated. From the mechanics perspective I can see if certain bearings (like the pivot bearings you mention) meet the prevailing need then happy days. As you say it will be interesting to trial the 440C s/s headset and see where it goes. I still have Q’s as by their very nature bearings require periodic inspection / replacement and how this will fit with reducing servicing is the 64K question. Performance , longevity, cost ………pick two because there’s always a built in compromise. Anecdotally been running Chris King 1” headset last 11years…….flawless, still full of clean original grease including lower race.
I have just purchased 2 bottom brackets from Enduro. I am running SRAM dub on two bikes one with PF BB86 and the other a standard BSA..... The press fit is their xd 15 as like with the maxhit (which is the BSA i have purchased), it has a 1 piece outer shell for fitment to allow for the max bearing size. These were both very expensive, but i am hoping they will last to make up for it where i am running a problematic spindle /bb shell diameter combination. So far the xd15 is running well, (too early to say on the maxhit). I do wish that SRAM was a 24mm axel though...
They list it on their website. They use 3 types depending on materials. XHP22 is in there as well as the yellow premium grease often relabled, can’t really what the other one is.
Question from someone with legacy Shimano hubs with loose ball bearings, cup and cone. I keep these greased, and the preload adjusted to allow free spin without side to side slop. Anything to improve that situation (without replacing the hubs)?
@@Mapdec but what about when it's not fairly obvious and there is grease in there? Just thinking of a scenario where there's a genuinely flawed product and whether servicing will be questioned to knockback honouring warranty. Not saying this company does that but it's an unfortunate growing trend with other companies.
I'm a bit confused about angular contact bearings, is there a benefit, or are they even recommended for bottom bracket use? I was looking at a Wheels Manufacturing BB to replace the stock BB on my Giant Revolt.
It’s up for debate. I would probably only recommend specifically them for long distance stuff where a rider might do some road side grease and add more preload. Otherwise a lot will depend on how well fitted and maintained they are.
IME anyone trying to sell sport specific bearings is wasting your time. These are no exception. And a lifetime warranty, with an annual service requirement (which cannot be proven/disproven...), on a consumable part is snake oil at its finest. Difficult to go wrong with SKF. And don't choose bearings based on weight... please.
My experience is that SKF are better and longer lasting then Enduro, BUT SKF also cost significantly more and aren't available in any of the unusual bike sizes. Enduro are also fully aware of the huge differences in greasing requirements between bike bearings and typical bearings. Normally the seals are to stop grease escaping, not to keep dirt out. The use of Enduro of Mobil 222 waterproof grease, and a slight overfill is far better than the typical underfill required in most non bike applications. Buying Enduro bearings removes the requirement to add more grease before installing and in many cases SKF et al are simply unavailable due to bike specific sizes.
Over filling bearings is much worse than unfilling. Stop adding more grease to bearings. 1/3 of the empty space within the bearing should be grease. No more otherwise bearings over heat on hubs or force seals to push out. Once you pick a seal out of a bearing there is an entry point that cannot be sealed effectively.
Enduro are cheap chinese bearings with poor tolerances and materials. They focus on pushing their products to bike parts distributors to make it readily available to bike shops. They know bike mecanics are not machinists or engineers that will know about bearings so they take advantage of that to sell their crap. If you ride a bit in the rain you will fuck them up real good after just a couple months even weeks. Companies use them in OEM wheelsets because they are the cheapest option.
Comments here seemed mixed but I would assume most bad experiences have been from selecting the wrong bearing type in the extensive range. For my shop I go enduro for everything, XD15 bearings and jockey wheels are the pinnacle of spinney things imo
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Appreciate there will be a lot of questions on this one! Please fire away, or take a listen to the full length interview over on Spotify, Amazon or Apple Podcasts. Enjoy... I think.
How is 440c in Andy's words different to chromium steel? It is a chrome steel*! Did he mean difference to lower grade nickel stainless? Or does he simply not know the subject by bringing up typical high carbon steel the very next sentence?
Upd: ah, yes, he calls high carbon "chromium".
*to clear up the confusion, chrome steels are such with Chromium content over 8%. Starting up from 12...13 (depending on other additives and national standard) such steels become stainless. 440C in the meantime has 16..18%
Went off enduro bearings very quickly after getting a couple of sets of wheel bearings a few years back. They really aren't that good. Skf on the other hand, worth every penny and never any issues. Last forever and smooth as butter
Same experience here. Enduro are mid-range quality at best. I found it virtually impossible to run enduro as main bearings on the rear wheel, they just wear out within a few hundred kilometers. Any Japanese brand is way better -- such as FAG, NTN, Nachi and the likes. The OEM bearings for DT hubs are also good, but not the Hope ones (which I suspect are white label enduros).
Like I say. Enduro have a huge range. Some bearings are naf, others very good. It’s a very difficult range to. Navigate which doesn’t help.
I've bought enduro bearings for my previous bike some were basically faulty as they were gritty from new. Most were fine. But Enduro Max bearings that came on my 2019 Geometron G1 were perfect. But they probably inspected them before installing them. All are still smooth.
So far the don't have play, but due to health problems I've not ridden super much the last years.
But I did not bother returning the faulty bearings for that old crappy bike i had (2014 Trek Fuel Ex) this was years ago.
So I don't have a proper conclusion.
Quality might have increased, or there were just bad batches.
The bad bearings were just a few small ones.
Bad experience with enduro, for me NTN
I like the most that you guys don't panik about regreasing bearings 😊
Some Engineering highlights... Bigger balls, gives a bigger contact patch, which reduces friction... mmm interesting thought pattern.
Oh look at our 440C bearings made of stainless steel, they won't corrode (although they will even in tap water) but they completely fail to point out that stainless steel is way softer than chrome steel so it'll vibrate nicely when they get pitted and the servicing once a year is because it is highly prone to galling... oh and lets not forget the £180 price vs 2x chrome steel bearings made in Japan by Toyama for £18.
Some of this stuff makes my blood boil. About 7-8 years ago, a guy from enduro industrial division came along to sell me industrial bearings. Their technical support and understanding was a joke. I see not much has improved.
I would welcome the opportunity to have a debate with this lot. Ceramicspeed didn't want to do it, I doubt enduro would either. They know they are selling snake oil to a market which is gullible enough to believe it. The test report they has completely ignored SKF, NTN, NSK, FAG which between them control 60% of the bearing market. This is just appalling.
Bigger contact patch, smaller contact pressure. Problem with Hertzian law?
@@feedbackzaloop You are not a very good bot are you.
@@Hambini yessir, good actual people make bad bots.
And yet here we are. NTN etc bearings rust, Enduro 440c bearings Gall. I hope I presented this and making a choice that’s right for you. I think the point of the bigger balls was load distribution. Gotta be a good thing in an ebike headset.
I knew it!
I have used Enduro bearings in my wheels and they are great. I’m currently running a set of NSK bearings on one of my bikes and they are performing well.
I have nothing personal about Enduro but the reality is that NSK and SKF have extremely refined processes and very efficient quality control procedures from material selection to complex hardening sequences.
Enduro buys quality bearings from Chinese manufacturers.
The warranty is the selling point.
Just remember if production costs are so low that you can afford to replace them willy nilly it's probably not the bearing you want.
Time isn't free.
Hi this is Mike who was on the podcast and just for info we make our bearings in our own manufacturing facility in Singapore and in also in Taiwan. I agree that companies like SKF, NTN etc make excellent products however I would argue that our materials, QC and industrial processes are equal to those huge bearing companies, but we only make bearings for bicycles!!
@@MikeJohnston-xf6vr Does making bicycle bearings involves to keep quality control subpar compared to the industrial bearing companies standards? Profit margins must be your priority over consumer satisfaction. We switched over industrial bearings at the bike shop because Enduro don't last and servicing hubs is not something you want to do every damn season.
Cool vid. Glad I watched. I bought pivot bearings for trek fuel 1.5yr ago through Enduro USA and they've been flawless. The staff I dealt with were also excellent and accurate. Would buy again!
Thanks for the info!
The time I finally ditched an orange bike with a single pivot bearing and onto a santacruz which comes with a lifetime of free bearings, they come with Enduro which don't last very long in the muck and dampness of the northwest of england. I then bought an E-bike which used 12 bearings. On the first change of bearings I spent £90 on enduro full complement bearings and they lasted 700 miles. I spent just over £100 on SKF bearings and they have lasted 3 times as long. Another example is a front hub bearing on my cannondale super x - In the UK, Enduro were the only company that could supply this bearing. It lasted 500 miles on a front hub! I took a chance and bought some chinese bearings for the same size from aliexpress and they have lasted twice as long. I like that its easy to get enduro bearings but they are not up to mud / water / grime / mud.
FYI Maxhit bb is 42 g heavier than a SRAM DUB bb. Also, gently test fit your crank spindle. My DUB spindle was slightly oversized and wouldn’t fit into bearings. I used some 1500 grit sandpaper to remove probably 1/5000” of the spindle to get them to fit properly. Bb shell was checked and it was concentric. Another DUB crank fit perfect. After massaging the spindle it installs perfect and spins very smooth.
Good skills
Who else thinks Mapdec needs to interview Hambini
The Pennines are an almighty barrier.
@@Mapdec I think it would annoy the Kuntraversial cyclist.
We used enduro bearings for bb90 trek bottom brackets with orange metal/rubber covers. Between 2011 and 2013 they were utter crap. Te customers came back with squeaking bottom bracket after one rainy ride. Hundreds of them failed that way. We started to open them - the grease inside was like frozen butter - one inner race turn without covers squeezed the grease out. We had to fix the Enduro mess for each 2437 bearing we got. But most of them survived about 1000-1500 miles and started to show first signs of wear. Even if used in dry conditions.
My experience with Enduro has generally been pretty poor. When I have bought them I have gone for the black oxide versions and they just don't seem to last that long, and I service, and I mean really service, regularly.
I'd also take issue with their warranty claims. It's all good and well saying they will never ask questions, they will just replace you bearing, but I challenge them to actually put those words down on paper. It just won't happen. If anybody is in the tech space, this feels eerily similar to the LinusTechTips "trust us bro" warranty,which he had to seriously row back on.
I absolutely agree that bearings should be serviced annually at a minimum, but as he said, it is subjective, and that will be their get out of jail free card, and there is nothing the consumer can do about it. They will say we don't think it has been serviced yearly and just deny the claim.
I'd be delighted to be proved wrong though. My new bike has through bearing headset cabling, so their 440C bearings sound ideal, but my comments above and Hambini's below make me cautious.
Sure. It’s good to be cautious. I think I got that across with my questioning. That said, no other brand is attempting to warranty headset bearings we now run hoses through.
@@Mapdec To be fair, it’s probably worth a shot for my headset bearings. Do you know the best place to source them in the UK? And where the service centre for warranty claims for UK customers is?
@@RatluBoogerbag any bike shop will stock Enduro. Warranty claims go to Extra UK. The company Andy works for in the video
My Rotor Bottom bracket ceramic bearing on my ADHX was notchy at 1000km, at 3000km it was so bad that it was causing wear marks on the crank. I replaced them with NTN 6805LLU. Rotor claim it's a wear and tear items, so they don't warranty it, only the shell. First and last time I spend extra on bearing, I will just stick with high quality steel bearing. They are cheap and good. I got the press tool, so now if they ever fail again it's a 30 minutes (or less) job to swap them out, I won't waste my time regreassing them or anything like that. Japan bearing are around $10 each, others (TPI, Takino, etc) are like $2-3 each. I went with NTN because they have a QR code that you can validate authenticity with what they call Authenti Bear app. I'm sure other made in Japan bearing are great too.
I feel lot of people panic with bearing durability. Myself included before. Once you have the tool and realize how easy it is to swap them out, it change the perspective. If my bottom bracket fail again, it will be cheaper to fix than replacing my set of brake pads.
I service my MTB's myself so I don't see myself as their target audience. I keep my bikes next to my bedroom and not in the water lol, so mid-tier 15$ headset bearing for example lasts me 2 years - minimum. This year I've replaced linkage bearings costing a total of around 100$ per bike, those replaced like 4 year old bearings just because I thought it's been a while for them. Well the new ones will last 5 years and hopefully extra two after re-grease. I really don't justify 180$ for BB for casual riders and especially for road bikes which you can keep clean all the time. This is purely from my experience.
I have used uxcell 6903-2RS Ceramic Bearings with great success on a Trek Madone BB. That said........I have a BBInfinite BB replacement of the DUB system that came with the Cannondale which are the Ceramatech bearings. Holding up well and super smooth so far.
Great video however on Enduro.
🙏
Really enjoyed it cheers guys, From a fellow nerd/geek👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Enduro bearings are the best representation of cycling industry. Nothing extreme, solid all-rounder. And just like bikes in general, overpriced. But not super overpriced either.
Yeah. I could concur with that.
Although they are more expensive than any of the shelf bottom brackets, the claims they make with the lifetime promise, I will give it a chance maybe.
I also like their attitude of "we just want to be easy to work with and have happy customers". Wish more brands in the MTB scene would take that as an example **cough S-Works **cough...
Yeah. I have to say, I don’t see any other brands trying to help the cables through headset service issue.
We really need to see the this tied to the reintroduction of WTB grease-guard headsets.
Max type bearings common in industry. One extra ball generally. Not new with enduro but SKF/MRC been at max type bearings for a very long time. 40 years at least.
I sense a 'project farm' style test of Enduro v Tier 1 bearings.
Tier 1 being NTN et al, ref Hambini.
Short answer is both will be better than cheap no name bearings.
Depends on corrosion.
Good answer
NTN all the way. Enduro is an ironic name. I have found they last 5 minutes.
Upgrading the steel on there stainless bearings is something they could look into swapping to lc400n would be great a vast improvement in corrosion resistance
Great video Paul & crew
Surprised on King’s results.
Interested on more info as it develops.
After 30 + years in retail, manufacturing and guiding I’ve never heard a bad word about Chris King.
Same here. The write us explains how the Chris king seal does not hold up to the accelerated load test used. It also explains how corrosion is the fastest killer of bearings and why CK performs well.
The fact that the CK performs badly in their testing just proves their test is entirely flawed.
Anyone with long experience with CK headsets and BBs knows they are effectively "perfect" (or as perfect as a consumable part can be).
@@alan_davis
No complaints with a H.S. going on 20+yrs.
I was thinking results were due to really good seals.
12:45 classic snake oil sales technique... put a product in a situation it isn't designed to be in, to show how yours are somehow the "best".
Another great video! I’m wondering about the bb86 sram dub press fit option they offer. Looks like a double row of bearings. Would love to know your thoughts on whether this would be worth a try to make most of challenging combination?
It’s probably because me of the best options if your frame is a perfect 41mm
@@Mapdecthank you. Will get it checked to see. It’s a Festka so really hoping they live up to their name in terms of quality.
Yes, like it as well.
Thanks for this video. I was allways wondering why there are C3 Baerings for bikes. I knew them only for high speed applications. Thanks for that info.- (17:00)
Mostly to help with undersized apertures that is sadly too common.
Where is their factory?
🤔🤔
Our (own) main production factory is in Singapore
@@mrtjcom 🤣🤣🤣
Any chinese bearing factory that offer the cheapest price and then they put their name on it.
Nice looking TIME build in the background there 🤔
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1) If you want substantive empirical technical info on bearings consult Hambini’s technical pages or the specific manufacturer.
2) Bearings are consumable parts ! …….expect to replace them commensurate with bike usage and usage conditions
3) Enduro offer convenience of purchase and try to penetrate the market by stressing ‘bicycle specific’ ……however from personal experience there are much better choices out there (in both performance feel, longevity, and dare I say cost) ……depending on your perspective.
4) ‘Lifetime guarantee ‘ on a consumable part, subject to proof of annual servicing ……… IMO wholly incongruous, unconvincing and promotion of a potential ‘Swiss Cheese’ guarantee. Paul suggest Enduro are invited to add a link here to their full written terms of Lifetime Guarantee, including all the definitions so we know exactly what they are prepared to standby and what is legally enforceable. 🤔
Agreed
Hey Kevin.
1) Hambini’s website is excellent, but still short on info on corrosion, which is the biggest killer of his BB and NTN etc bearings. We have pretty much given up with them in all but the best summer bikes as they rust so fast.
2&3) I agree. But enduro serve the pivot bearing market well. Making corrosion resistant versions of some very obscure bearing designs.
4) watch this space. I am fitting some 440c headsets to my adhx 45 that I will ride to death.
@@Mapdec Paul defo appreciate conditions in the Lakes much like here (Dartmoor) …….lumpy and wet such that nowadays I always opt for full contact seals, that’s the personal selection for me, also mainly road orientated. From the mechanics perspective I can see if certain bearings (like the pivot bearings you mention) meet the prevailing need then happy days. As you say it will be interesting to trial the 440C s/s headset and see where it goes. I still have Q’s as by their very nature bearings require periodic inspection / replacement and how this will fit with reducing servicing is the 64K question. Performance , longevity, cost ………pick two because there’s always a built in compromise.
Anecdotally been running Chris King 1” headset last 11years…….flawless, still full of clean original grease including lower race.
I have just purchased 2 bottom brackets from Enduro. I am running SRAM dub on two bikes one with PF BB86 and the other a standard BSA..... The press fit is their xd 15 as like with the maxhit (which is the BSA i have purchased), it has a 1 piece outer shell for fitment to allow for the max bearing size. These were both very expensive, but i am hoping they will last to make up for it where i am running a problematic spindle /bb shell diameter combination. So far the xd15 is running well, (too early to say on the maxhit). I do wish that SRAM was a 24mm axel though...
Nice. Just check the BB bire of your frame and this is about as good as it gets for PF41 to DuB.
What spec are the Hope enduro beaings? They seem to last better.
Usually SS
What grease do Enduro recommend for regreasing the bearings? The question was in the video but the answer was edited out I think.
They list it on their website. They use 3 types depending on materials. XHP22 is in there as well as the yellow premium grease often relabled, can’t really what the other one is.
@@Mapdec XHP222 smell like a car garage. If you don`t mind the smell it's a good option, if you park your bike inside, not much.
What is the proper grease for enduro bearings TIA
Listed on their website depending on bearing.
@ tnx for info
Question from someone with legacy Shimano hubs with loose ball bearings, cup and cone. I keep these greased, and the preload adjusted to allow free spin without side to side slop.
Anything to improve that situation (without replacing the hubs)?
Just regular maintenance. try not to let the surfaces corrode.
@mapdec what is the issues with BBInfinite bearings? The stainless ones or the Ceramitech ones?
Here in the UK the seals just are not up to our weather. They corrode quite fast.
Where did you get the mechanic t-shirt, very cool.
Thanks. Just staff uniform.
That's what I was afraid of.
How do they determine if a bearing with lifetime warranty wasn’t serviced every year?
Does it have to be serviced and recorded by them every year?
They will know by the grease in there. If it’s dry as a bone it’s fairly obvious
@@Mapdec but what about when it's not fairly obvious and there is grease in there?
Just thinking of a scenario where there's a genuinely flawed product and whether servicing will be questioned to knockback honouring warranty.
Not saying this company does that but it's an unfortunate growing trend with other companies.
@@hockysa I guess only time will tell. A manufacturing fault would be pretty obvious really.
I'm a bit confused about angular contact bearings, is there a benefit, or are they even recommended for bottom bracket use? I was looking at a Wheels Manufacturing BB to replace the stock BB on my Giant Revolt.
It’s up for debate. I would probably only recommend specifically them for long distance stuff where a rider might do some road side grease and add more preload. Otherwise a lot will depend on how well fitted and maintained they are.
got enduro bearings in my meta. 6 months and the were complete gone
Which ones? The blue Abec 3. Yeah. For sure.
Go north. Waaay north. What can be done to make bearings roll easy when it’s -40C outside in the deep snow?
Special grease
They didn't cost a fortune. They are ok for the money you pay. That's it.
Love the Maxhit BB. Using on my all rounder gravel/road. Well sealed.
Best vid
IME anyone trying to sell sport specific bearings is wasting your time.
These are no exception.
And a lifetime warranty, with an annual service requirement (which cannot be proven/disproven...), on a consumable part is snake oil at its finest.
Difficult to go wrong with SKF.
And don't choose bearings based on weight... please.
Average at best. NTN, SKF all the way!!
My experience is that SKF are better and longer lasting then Enduro, BUT SKF also cost significantly more and aren't available in any of the unusual bike sizes. Enduro are also fully aware of the huge differences in greasing requirements between bike bearings and typical bearings. Normally the seals are to stop grease escaping, not to keep dirt out. The use of Enduro of Mobil 222 waterproof grease, and a slight overfill is far better than the typical underfill required in most non bike applications. Buying Enduro bearings removes the requirement to add more grease before installing and in many cases SKF et al are simply unavailable due to bike specific sizes.
That’s a pretty good summary to be fair 👍
Over filling bearings is much worse than unfilling. Stop adding more grease to bearings. 1/3 of the empty space within the bearing should be grease. No more otherwise bearings over heat on hubs or force seals to push out. Once you pick a seal out of a bearing there is an entry point that cannot be sealed effectively.
Enduro are cheap chinese bearings with poor tolerances and materials. They focus on pushing their products to bike parts distributors to make it readily available to bike shops. They know bike mecanics are not machinists or engineers that will know about bearings so they take advantage of that to sell their crap.
If you ride a bit in the rain you will fuck them up real good after just a couple months even weeks. Companies use them in OEM wheelsets because they are the cheapest option.
I think much of this post is incorrect. You would learn lot from watching the whole video.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't most of the base range enduro bearings made in china?
Singapore
I put Maxhit in Lynskey Pro GR and was considerably smoother than a CK bottom bracket.
Comments here seemed mixed but I would assume most bad experiences have been from selecting the wrong bearing type in the extensive range. For my shop I go enduro for everything, XD15 bearings and jockey wheels are the pinnacle of spinney things imo
Reggie GREAT Scot will probably have something to say about your Bearing Extraction methods.😅😅😅
Who?
@@Mapdec th-cam.com/video/mS92am9UYfE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=A6oVg1ajWXtXU36M
Damn there is some smoke and mirrors in what is talked about here ..... unreal
Explain please?
No.
Infomercial.
Maybe. If that’s what it takes to get some guests like this to answer questions. Had to be a bit of give and take.
Maybe except their xd15, Enduro bearings are trash or bad quality...
Ummm. Pivot bearings? 440c headsets, max hit. They make some other good stuff too.
The First, British Made, It's the Best.
The Rest are Copies.