Cheating in Chess with Hikaru and Daniel Naroditsky
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มิ.ย. 2024
- Daniel Naroditsky and Hikaru Nakamura have a conversation on the latest drama involving cheating.
In this video GM Daniel Naroditsky
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00:00 Intro
00:42 Why did Magnus withdraw?
01:23 How hard is it to cheat?
03:36 Danya's personal story of someone cheating
06:13 How to get online cheating taken seriously by FIDE/Organizers
08:09 Do you think it's cheating in one game or over time?
10:18 "Suspicious" isn't a direct accusation
12:18 How can organizers improve detection?
13:06 The difference subtle cheating can make
14:16 (Anti-) cheating tech
18:09 Hikaru vs Danya OTB precision
21:13 Vibe at the Sinquefield Cup
23:09 Endgame preferences
25:43 Hans' game review
28:25 How can this end? What's next?
30:22 Dubov's suspicions about Hikaru
32:40 Do you think Magnus should say something?
33:26 Hans' analyses
36:18 The future
37:46 Analysis of a cheating expert
39:04 Chess.com's anti-cheating measures
40:12 Dominguez/Firouzja's game
41:57 MVL/Hans game
43:21 Caruana/Aronian Game - เกม
That bishop up the sleeve picture in the beginning had me rolling. What a great editor you have Hikaru XD
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He always has some funny thumbs, Hikaru bugsplatting Andrew Tate comes to mind.
Part of me hoped when I saw the piece sticking out Hikaru’s face was on it
I love how an extra piece wouldn’t make any sense for cheating in chess.
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Its nice to see top GMs making a statement and having each others back. Obviously Hans is innocent until proven guilty. But to completely ignore the suspicions of several top GMs would be wrong. To pragmatically look into this incident seems to be the only logical option. I don't think Hikaru nor Danya want to accuse him just for their feelings about the situation. They just want to resolve existing suspicions, which seems totally logical and fair.
It also helps that Danya is a relatively well respected and level-headed GM. For him to come out and also speak about the topic adds a bit of legitimacy to Hikaru’s statements as well as gives Hikaru the chance to clarify what he said.
I agree with most of what you said. What about Magnus's responsibility to provide a clear account though?
@@rupeshbansal3970 I would of course be happy to hear magnus's statement. I don't know what more to say. Him beeing silent doesnt help the situation, but i think he will come out with his statement sooner or later
Hakiru getting more stick has nothing to do with his opinions on why Magnus quit or him talking about the drama in general, its actually about his behaviour during the whole thing which was embarrassing. Danyas reaction, although it is more in line with hikarus is much more respectable and for lack of a better word ,less inflammatory. So yeah that's why people are upset with him I guess
Agreed. I do think Hikaru should assume some responsibility for his initial response going too far and rousing some anger from his huge audience.
Let's go Hikaru and Danya and chess drama. Doesn't get better than that.
Wtf is this channel? They are still insinuating that Hans cheated!
@@lebronjamesharden3958 He did cheat. He admitted as much. And then he lied about the extent of his cheating. The only question is just how far the extent of his cheating goes. It is still possible that he has cheated OTB, though difficult to prove.
@Clay Chives Hikaru did not insinuate that Hans cheated over the board though.
@@lebronjamesharden3958 no, insinuation is an idea Hans created that if you have a huge following and you suspect him, then it is accusation. the reality is that Hans was a cheater (ex-offender), and ppl no right to punish/judge hans without proof, but they can say if something makes them more or less suspicious. Hans is the one who spread the narrative that no suspicions are allowed on him, which makes no sense at all. E.g., if an ex-offender is alone with your daughter, you have a right to be suspicious without proof and remove your daughter from him and you have a right to say why you did that. You have no right to judge/punish the offender without proof. However, because Hans is saying that your suspicion caused indirect problems for him, you may not suspect him at all. Hans is using chesscom's wrong punishment to turn the tables on Magnus and Hikaru, who had a right to suspect him.
Also, Hans is calculating his victim card. He clearly said he was everything after the scandal, and Eric was most prominent as 10x more accusatory than Hikaru and he was basically the only one who fit the description of insinuating that Hans was a cheater. But Hans chose to not mention Eric at all and mentions Hikaru who is a bigger influencer. He appeared to be raging but he knew what he was saying.
Not to mention Eric and Hikaru just said Hans cheated online and Hans saw them hours before his interview, so he was forced to respond in his interview. But he against twisted it by saying he is so courageous and transparent for saying himself that he cheated online before. Again, a lie.
Then he twisted his training for chess (for his own career) to be a dramatic path to earn redemption. But one who earns redemption knows they must show change to earn trust. As multiple GMs have said, their colleagues and community never had an improved image of Hans and all still suspected Hans. This shows that Hans never was on a multi-year quest for redemption. He couldn't care less. He just studied chess for his own career but now he says he was actually earning redemption, but nobody ever detected a single sign of that.
Up until the scandal and during the scandal, GMs and colleagues were still saying Hans cheated. Levon's colleagues said it, Hikaru's colleagues said it, Magnus, Eric, etc. Hans never showed a single sign he was earning redemption. It's pure empty words he just said after the scandal. You believe him because he raged and because chesscom handed him a victim card, which lets him link unrelated events to mislead people. Now he paints Magnus like a villain, drags Hikaru in and accuses Hikaru for accusing him, and makes the entire internet unable to suspect him, because suspicion means insinuation, which means accusation.
Without ever showing anything to earn trust, Hans made it so that nobody can suspect him, an ex-cheater. (But do note that there is also no proof he never cheated again either, so he is certainly an ex-cheater, but we do not know if he is currently a cheater). The fact that he was an ex-offender is true though.
And the only reason I think Hans didn't cheat against Magnus would be because I can't figure out how he could cheat. It is certainly not because Hans's image is honorable.
@@tor13128 Damn bro you wrote the whole bible there
13:20 Correct. Magnus spoke about this in a norwegian podcast over a year ago. He said that as a top player it would very easy to cheat. He said for example he would only need one or two moves in a game to be unbeatable. He also said that he didnt even need the move just a hint when he is in a position where its a move that is much better than everything else
It would be interesting to see this idea elaborated on more. Like could a player like let's say botez who Hikaru plays a botez Gambit for fun; could she a 2000s rated player beat a gm with computer assistance? And if so how many Computer assisted moves would she need??
wow that’s scary
@@charlespanache7047 A few moves is not enough to beat gm. You can only hang around with possibly opening sets and still need more help.
"Spend 10 minutes thinking on this move. Don't move until you're sure you found the dominant move."
That's what allows me, a 1400 dumb dumb, to beat chess puzzles. In a game, I wouldn't know to stop and think a long time on this one move.
@@askthepizzaguy 1400 is like top 5% so definitely not a dumb dumb 🤣 maybe compared to a super gm i guess.
Chess puzzles also super kick-starts your pattern recognition and problem solving abilities, because you know there has to be a tactic to win by virtue of it being a puzzle, it's never like that in a live game. Two completely different brain communications going on in puzzles and actual games.
I have been playing online poker heads up for a living for 15 years and there was an instance I faced a player that felt like he could see my cards. I instinctively felt that something was wrong because he played very poorly overall, both with his opening hands and post flop play but had incredible reads in crucial moments. Of course, I had no way to prove my theory so I decided to stop playing that person. A year later he was found to be a person who previously worked at the site and found a way to penetrate the servers to see the cards before quitting his job. So I trust magnus's instincts that if he felt something is wrong. Hans is of course not guilty until proven but I am siding with magnus here.
My favourite chess creators together!, I couldn't ask for more
just need Robert Hess.
@@richardhall4830 hESS BE THE bESS.
Would love to see more of Danya on the channel!
Wtf is this channel? They are still insinuating that Hans cheated!
I Second your motion
@@lebronjamesharden3958 that’s because he is a cheating little rat and a bad liar
@@lebronjamesharden3958 He earned the suspicion by being a cheater in the past
@@greenhat7618 lol you're judging him based on what happened in the PAST which was many years ago. You've probably cheated in your life more than most people
The eval bar perfectly lined with the middle of the board is very satisfying
Everywhere where there is money to win there will be cheaters. Also Hans didnt cheat twice , he got caught twice, and to be honest a lot of cheaters will always be cheaters
Agreed!
He got caught at 12 and 16. If what we do when we're teenagers define us for life, then we're all cheaters.
It's obviously very suspicious that several GMs thinks that Hans cheated, but nothings been proven yet.
That's a smart point--caught twice vs cheating twice.
He cheated once at 12 years old in an online tournament, this doesn’t make him a cheater.
The worst is that you don’t have the slightest minuscule part of an evidence of him cheating.
@@ni9274 aged like milk
Its nice to see Hikaru interviewing a real live prophet
I want more. Nothing like chess rivals collaborating! 🎉🎉
more like chess stream rivals
Hikaru and Danya my top two in the chess community. Love to see the duo in action.
Hikaru being friend to Danya is the best thing Magnus has unintentionally done in the past 10 years
@@endribuja7279 Danya wrote that long manifesto about Hikaru’s behavior during the Hikaru-Chessbrah drama, lol, but even a couple days after that Hikaru said he had talked to him and are on good terms. They have always been respectful and complementary of each other tbh.
hikaru and danya far and above my 2 go tos for anything chess related
Wtf is this channel? They are still insinuating that Hans cheated!
Wtf I thought Daniel and Hikaru hated each other. They are both ultra competitive and its kind of awkward watching them act friendly towards each other
I completely agree with Naroditsky, if someone is known to having cheated in the past and they want to continue playing chess, they themselves should be interested in proving that they have changed and hence accept a thorough scrutiny. If they play clean, they have nothing to lose and everything to win.
Nakamura Naroditsky!!!!!! ABSOLUTE DREAM STREAM! Y’all are my 2 very favorite chess streamers, so cool to see a colab involving an extremely important topic in chess. You guys covered this so well together
You guys covered each others' asses so well together.
This is almost like a dream come true, Hikaru and Danya in the same stream! Thanks for the upload Hikaru!
I don't think that the point of this interaction was validating Hikaru's statements on the situation, or even making a judgment about it at all. Danya and Hikaru are just underscoring the fact that cheating has an incredibly toxic effect on the game, and that there needs to be a concerted/coordinated effort to prevent it from happening. Esp as it pertains to communication between online servers hosting master level money tournaments (where you can prove somebody has cheated) and FIDE, so that people with a history of cheating are flagged and scrutinized.
Being caught cheating OTB should come with a -100 official ELO point penalty.
Idk what the spectator situation is in StL for this tournament, but I've spectated three elite events there and had noticed it would be easy for a spectator-assistant to leave, use an engine on their phone, reenter the playing area checking their phone at security, getting wanded, and then return to the playing area and signal a player. You can get arbitrarily sophisticated with your player-assistant signaling, too. You could easily communicate a lot undetected. Broadcast delay would be irrelevant.
i feel like no re-entry would solve this immediately.
Since that’s the case any person who enters the hall is no longer permitted back in.. have concessions and bathrooms (necessities) for people with good intentions.. but there will always be ways for people to cheat .. aside from giving everyone a cavity search there will be ways for an engine to affect the game
Tell the Sinquefield TD's right away! Otherwise it's just idle speculation.
@@davidquinn9676 It's not speculation it's just discussing cheating strategies and how to overcome them. Definitely not a bad thing to talk about is it?
@@victorerickson9770 he could have pass the info to another helper. So no re-entry wouldn't sol e the problem
I got so amped that I caught myself pouring concrete in ding liren's drains. I was like "what am I doing?" I was so ashamed, I emptied two more bags and left
Drain gang
Great and informative video. Thank you.
Thank You for Sharing !!!! This is a GREAT !!!
37:50 Hans has cheated way more times than he has admitted. So he lied again
Did someone saw the theory by GM Jan Gustafsson (was in German, though). But his theory is that Niemann trained at that morning for a different opening strategy by Magnus (than Niemann later claimed, because of reasons we can discuss later) that Magnus regularly plays and Jan showed how through some common moves the same board position could have been reached where Niemann came up with his surprising move. I can't post links here, but the video by Jan Gustafsson is called "Das Drama um Carlsen und Niemann: Was ist los? | Janalyse" theory starts around minute 22.
Sure. And even Hans showed there's a transposition to reach the exact position on the board.
@@davidquinn9676 Which directly contradicts what he said in his post game interview
Yes love the way GM Hikaru brings other GMs to his channels well done 👏
I love Hikaru and Danya doing stuff together! Great duo
Something Vishy is going on
Danya made an interesting mistake here. It is often believed that raising the punishment for the 1 in 1000 who is caught will disincentivise.
That’s statistically shown to be false. Because people never expect to be caught.
Statistically if you raise the likelihood of being caught (make numbers up) to 1/10 but have softer sentences (say 1 year ban rather than 5 year ban) then it will deter people MUCH more.
This needs to be higher up.
@@jetwash13 it’s very counterintuitive so it’s one of the most common misunderstandings in this area.
This is complete bullshit. "People never expect to be caught." LOL. Stop it.
@@Tidoublemy this is a well-documented statistical corollary. When the chances of being caught are very low, people approximate this with zero and increasing the punishment doesn’t meaningfully increase prevention rates.
But sure, “this is complete bullshit” sounds like an equally well-documented counter argument 👍🏻
@@imustbust998 it’s logical, but not intuitive. Something “intuitive” would be obvious to most people.
This was awesome! Great discussion.
I'd love to see Danya and Hikaru commentate a tourney that would be awesome!
Then we'd have reason to suspect them of cheating, for mistakes they'd make etc.
Everyone needs to calm down and let the time talk for itself .
Finally found a guy with brain....
And let magnus say something would also be
more like "make Magnus say something"
And then we would have thousand of keyboard warriors talking about how someone is running away by going radio silent
Hikaru is narsisit
Magnus is noob
danya is stopid
goku is stronger
Oh I thought it would be Hikaru and Danya cheating together. Oh well.
Oh well
Great discussion 👍
Great discussion.
fantastic video. I appreciated the clear-headed conversation beyond the dumpster fires across reddit and twitter.
Loving the conversation with GM Hikaru and GM Daniel Naroditsky, two of the most charismatic and watchable people in professional chess. This type of reasoned, calm, and friendly conversation in one of the most explosive situations to rock the professional chess scene is so needed and essential. Kudos to both of them. They are able to explore all the ramifications of cheating, a history of cheating in chess, along with their own personal experiences of suspected cheating, like when Hikaru himself was accused of cheating after going to the bathroom. Even if cheating is never proven with Hans Niemann, it will be essential to implement much more robust methods of securing live tournaments such as delaying live streams for a half hour and monitoring IP packets entering or leaving the location. It is not the cheating itself, but the uncertainty it brings, which can be so corrosive.
If Hikaru is not playing in a tournament, I would love to see both of these brilliant and articulate grand masters be the commentators for the tournament. Hikaru's charisma is amazing - so quick thinking and lucid. Daniel is able to convey complex chess ideas clearly and with such a humble attitude. Can't say enough good things about both of them! Sure, the female commentators they have paired with GM Daniel have been pleasant and charming, but the level of analysis that GM Hikaru brings is next level.
>monitoring IP packets entering or leaving the location
This is something multiple commentators have referenced and Danya himself has suggested is possible but in reality makes no sense. Think about what's being asked for: the tournament organizer is supposed to have a device capable of intercepting all communications anyone is making on a mobile network on the premises without permission. This technology does exist and could be used if the FBI ever decided to throw a chess tournament (it'd be illegal for anyone else) but even then would be rendered completely irrelevant by a simple VPN. The best they can really do is constantly search for unauthorized signals in the tournament hall, which is basic and immune to countermeasures.
@@largebutt8661 I laughed at this too lol. “Proximity” based to detected packets received and sent
great episode guys!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks
Fantastic commentary duo, I would love to see more
what if magnus' reaction was similar to how Danya was treated? Meaning that Magnus was suspicious but the event coordinators said they wouldn't investigate and because of that Magnus left the tournament due to their incompliance to just check.
He’s magnus carlsen tho it’s different, I think they’d likely be more willing to hear him out given his prominence
Also, the next day they went IN on security so does look like they did something
I'd assume the directors followed up any reasonable theories Magnus suggested, and the fact Hans is still playing means they did not find anything. But Magnus doesn't man up and say that publicly.
It's not that hard to turn a room into a faraday cage to prevent all incoming electronic signals. Add a frequency detector in the room and cameras to record the spectators for physical signals.
Actually it is not easy. However when doing some basic measures against possible electronic devices smuggled by the players you would need some really serious electronics to get through.
Full cavity searches before every game is the only solution
In order to avoid OBC to keep chess clean at least for important tournements, may be only players and referee see and witness the moves at the moment and the game can be broadcasted 2 moves behind. Instead of time delay, sticking to move delay would be better I think.
The bead vibrates for itself
Daniel is good and Balanced in his replies ! 👏
It is good to to see Hikaru and Daniel discussing this ... Too much drama and suspicion in the last few days ... Not good for the game
phenomenal video and love Danya's take on this. That said unless Magnus comes out with details, its time to move on from this. Obviously there will be some impact. I am curious to see if we will see another tournament with Magnus and Hans. Probably not.
Image a glass soundproof box-like enclosure with reflective glass on the inside and signal dampeners. No way anyone cheats out of this.
hikaru and danya, possibly the best GM streamers
Wtf is this channel? They are still insinuating that Hans cheated!
@@lebronjamesharden3958 tbf he probably cheated.
@@lebronjamesharden3958 he himself accepted that he cheated many times in online tournament .
@@willsmith124 lol you're judging him based on what happened in the PAST which was many years ago. You've probably cheated in your life more than most people
They can become full time youtuber or twitch streamer if they are not playing chess
You are both right. Checking for packets to detect data signals is an excellent idea. Strange that it's taken not so seriously. Money is on the line and it doesn't seem important enough to have strict rules about the integrity of this sport.
And you know this wasn't checked for, how? I would not expect the directors to disclose all their anti-cheating measures. It's like our school district won't disclose to parents all the measures they use to keep the kids safe from school shooters.
Yes and why not jamming all frequencies? Or playing in a place with no connection, like in a cave lol
@@davidquinn9676 Because the players complained that it wasn’t being done.
You two just vibing so well together
NICE! LET'S SEE MORE COLLABS LIKE THIS!
Once a cheater , always a cheater
No
Actual five year old mindset
nope but it has some truth to it, "once a cheater , likely a cheater" is more like it
That's true for adults. He was a teenager when cheated
If Magnus thought he was cheating he should have told the TD but not withdrew from the tournament. If he had some solid evidence then Hans would have been kicked out. Don't punish the other players in a round robin purely based on a hunch.
I disagree. If I were sure someone is cheating but could not prove it, I would quit too. I could not keep playing a game I know it's crooked.
Withdrawing is his right. He wasn't playing well, he played poorly against Hans relative to his old level. He could just say he isn't feeling right and withdraw. The only thing he did wrong, and it was very wrong, was to throw mud on Hans and not clean it up within a day, even up to now. Magnus has always been aware of the effect of his social media statements.
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Hans: *speaking for himself*
It's significant not one other player in the tournament has withdrawn.
Please do more videos together. Excellent content!
What's the video / source / name of the cheating expert Daniel is talking about on 37:46 ?
The dynamic duo 👍
Isn't it easier to assume that the person who's magnus have prepped with having sold what he'd play?
I was a bit critical on Hikaru for the way he handled the situation, with him quite clearly insinuating quite a bit on the fact that Hans was cheating, where I thought it would have been better to handle the subject with a bit more caution, but I really liked this conversation! I think it was a really level headed and realistic analysis of the situation from both Hikaru and Naroditsky!
The only difference between this one and his previous comments is that he took it more seriously here.
He really said nothing out of line before, he was just laughing at the strange interview and mentioned what was mostly fact like his previous cheating and that some GM's had their suspicions before.
tricky hicky toeing the line between sussing and accusing, he should try amongus
That's because you have no balls...
How to say "I don't in in understand the Elo system" without saying "I don't understand the Elo system."
"Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern."
Based on two games and the respective Elos, the chances that Magnus would lose one game or the other is 0.47. this is almost even odds. The odds he would lose BOTH games is appromately 7%.
This is based on taking the Elo system odds of a 73% a 2864 player would win vs. a 2688 player and the applying the odds to two separate events in a probability calculator.
This is why losing the second game raises a yellow (not red) flag when the first one did not.
With no context, this could simply mean Hans improved and his true rating was higher than 2688.
@@sethblvck You are just completely missing the point. Add the numbers, on top of everything existing in the current situation, how could one
not be suspicious or even curious of something? He has a history of cheating(chesscom is saying is even more extensive then he's leading people to believe), he blundered that interview and was outright being suicidal with his prior loses after the funny "chess speaks for itself" line to calm and trolly in the interview. He didn't know any of the accurate analysis from what he was saying except for some lines and even then he failed to apply them accurately in his own game.. yet some how he studied intensively a line that was losing for black that he didn't seem to properly remember. You are really going down the rabbit hole when it's really just yea he cheated before and probably more recent then he lead you on to believe.
Ben Finegold said Magnus shouldn't have quit the tournament if he thought Hans cheated. He screws everyone in the competition and the organization by doing that. Say "He cheated" and continue the tourney, let them figure it out.
Finegold is wrong. By withdrawing, NO ONE gets screwed because everyone gets the same result from their Magnus game - a bye.
So cleverly, Magnus prevents the result of the game from being used to determine the standings.
Also, he doesn't have enough evidence to call him a cheat. He can't accuse without all the evidence. However, I do think he's preparing for something huge
@Jimbo Whitehouse Well, from his other vids prior to the scandal he doesn't seem to be much of a fan of Hans. Ive seen him trash him on stream.
I mean cheating is literally rob money not just gain rating
I would love to see more hikaroditsky content not related to this event
I played otb team match once and suddenly a higher rated spectator from the other club pointed at a the board to a piece that the team member I was playing against moved afterwards. To this date I am still convinced that this was cheating even though it was only one move.
Definitely cheating
I’ll be honest. I’m not too bothered by all the drama. Just looking forwards to seeing Hik vs Mag on Titled Tuesday
Wait Magnus is going to play Titled Tuesday?
@@sebaa1095 Where have you been? 😝
Great to see the true GOAT Chess youtuber on the Channel
The online chess services are in a unique position. They probably analyse every game played, and cross check with different engines in real-time. They probably have cheating stats on every registered player. Stats ranging from 0% to 100% probability of cheating, per move. If they detect traffic to the engines come from accounts associated to the player in any way at critical moments, the probability shoots up. If enough computer moves are played in a row, especially insane lines, probability starts accumulating. And in retrospect, if accounts following the game in real-time with engines, or checking in at critical moments, can be connected to the player, through cyber tracking security measures, cheating probability shoots up. At the same time cross checking with the player’s expected ability. At some point if the system is reporting a high enough probability, it will notify the anti cheating team, which will start looking into it manually.
If we had a totally transparent understanding and acceptance of how an anti cheating system works, we should even be able to display the cheating probability status of the player openly.
A.I. Police, lol, help!
The coolest would be to have 100% cheating probability because you play so insanely correct, but without cheating. Inhumane, and world champion material.
slight correction: it's precisely the people from twitch who DO understand how easy it is to cheat. it's the old guard of chess that doesnt
For live over-the-board cheating?
@@ricobarth yes, i dont think you understand the gap in knowledge about technology and cheating between twitch teens and chess boomers
@@Wtahc If you've never been to (or seriously researched) a live chess tournament, you would have no idea what the project would even entail. Controlling large physical spaces is not a twitch teen specialty.
Also, there are 37 teenage Grandmasters.
Some of us old guard know quite a bit about the matter. We were clever long ago, and our "playing strength" hasn't dropped much either. Ken Regan for example, who checked the games and found nothing. We read comments too.
@@Wtahc true, for those "chess boomers" with technical PhD's. We know much more than you do, in fact. But it wasn't nice to say it before.
Another thing to consider in terms of anti-cheating methods is the importance of the post-game interview.
Hey kool aid drinker, I am sorry they took you form your Amazonian tree. Nice feathers though, parrot!
There's a point to it but I think it puts too much pressure on the players, as they have to not only consider the chess itself but also how they will have to conduct the interview. I don't think that turning the post-match talk into basically an interrogation where players have to defend the fact that they came up with the moves themselves is healthy for the game. As for the Hans scandal, sure his interviews add up to the overall suspicion, but if I'm not mistaken the interview that was the most sus was after the Leinier game, which itself caused no cheating accusations. The interview after the game against Magnus I don't think had any impact regarding the accusations.
“I’m just here so I won’t get fined”. How great would that be if everyone said that. Let the chess speak not the summary.
@@daymongray3516 This is actually how it works in professional sports 😂😂
i keep a queen up my sleeve for all oppenents. soon as they leave the board i strike and place a second queen on the board. this has helped me win several games as i only do it after my queen is captured.
The thumbnail lmao😂😂
As a person with a bachelors in network security and a masters in cloud security, If St Louis is not using a wireless packet sniffer along with their other security measures, then they are asking for cheating using wireless technologies. They could also create a faraday cage around the playing area to prevent incoming and outgoing wireless signals.
bong cloud security
Wireless is not the only method to transmit high frequency radio waves son .Faraday cage???Has this been used in large scales for commercial purposes yet ?lol And if possible how are they gonna teansmit the games live lol
@@kewltony Clever. Although, Hikaru’s bong cloud speed run is my favorite to watch.
@@magjistariukaj6306 I’m sure that google can teach experts like yourself how to implementation network security on a commercial scale. Security is never 100%.
@@magjistariukaj6306 Very easily. Play room can be made a Faraday cage and you can uae wires to take to footage outside the play area. However I assume it would be a very expensive investment.
Awesome content.
Really interesting he talked about taking 15 minutes for a move to wait for the broadcast, and Hans took 15 minutes for a move in the opening. Lol.
do we have a link to that anti-cheat expert's channel? I couldn't find it, maybe the titles are in cyrillic?
My opinion is that Magnus wanted a HIGHER SECURITY VALIDATION on Hans than on others, and they authorities wouldn't agree to do that (until after Magnus left.)
I love your guys' comments and content. Let's make note that security measures at the event were increased dramatically after Magnus withdrew. So much so that a secondary device to scan players was implemented.... also Hans lost pretty seriously to Wesley So... not to say So is not at the caliber of Magnus, but it just seems like if Hans defeated Magnus like he did, he should have no problem with anyone else in the tournament and therefore should be leading the tournament....
@@sethblvck true true but my main point is about the increase of security. Either way I hope it gets resolved and we can all get clarity for this beautiful game of chess.
@@sethblvck I wasn't blaming or assuming anything. You can see the footage of them adding a second device. That's really all I'm trying to say. I genuinely love watching the GMs play. Whether OTB or online. And if you listened to this dialouge between Hikaru and Danya, you will see how OTB cheating is a real thing. I'm not saying Hans did this at all, by any means! It's simply a valid point to notice the introduction of more security.
Lmao he legit was for a bit. He was the lowest ranking player there and was first place for 3 days
The increased security is obviously a logical response to the cheating allegations, this is not surprising at all. Like the others said, please don't insinuate anything just because Hans isn't crushign the tournament after he beat Magnus. The difficulty of consistently beating top players because form and preparation differences from game to game aside, it has been reiterated many times that Magnus played an uncharacteristically bad game for his standards vs Hans.
What a load of rubbish.
“ more Palatable “ wow love Daniels expanded vocabulary, maybe he has word of the day toilet paper, love it
Thank you ❤
Does anybody know who's the Ukrainian anti-cheating expert Danya is talking about? (I want to see that titled Tuesday 2017 analysis)
I posted the same question. hopefully someone can tell us. I've even tried searching in cyrilic now but can't find it. too many videos on Hans now that are popping off ^^
Danya mentioned briefly the name of the channel on his stream, I found it: ChessfanMWP. He did a video on Hans both in Russian and in Engligh.
Honestly what frustrates me is the over-passionate defense of Hans' interview - like he is the one being wronged. Any fairly reasonable player should be able to look at the very simple facts: he got caught and banned for cheating not even 2 years ago. He had a historic record breaking ELO rise since then, and then he just beat the best player the world has ever seen and Magnus is very fairly suspicious. His postgame interview with Alejandro seemed insanely weird the way he was answering questions about his positions in the game. And just to make it all worse, he has this weird accent now. It's like he is purposely stunting his speech with awkward pauses and stuttering like English is not his native language, and replacing words like "the" with "da". It all just adds to incredibility.
Or hes actually living chess as he said and his mind is going to shit xd
Your take derailed into delusions as you tried to make arguments. Especially the accent part.
@@1est1 but to be fair the magnus game was pretty average.
@@Frozander especially? so what other parts were 'delusional'? Im by no means saying faking an accent = cheating, im just saying for those who know him personally, it doesnt help.
Prove it or shut up, its as simple as that
"Wireshark" I'm dead lol
Raising the punishment does not disincentivize behavior. That's a common misnomer and perpetual failing of the US legal system
Hans defeated levon ...then magnus ....and after all that fuss ....all of a sudden hans is either losing or drawing ....i dont understand this science .....what is it
He drew with Levon, yeah? He did beat Shak though
I mean if i see the internet paint me as a villain I would be sloppy too. And hes not going to win every game its unrealistic, considering that hes the lowest rated player there as well.
Exactly. Daniel raises a good point. Once you cross the line you are always suspect. Even when there is no evidence. Hans ruined his own career. No matter how good he is.
I agree with that point. However did you listen to any of Danya's other points? Cheating online as a teenager does not ruin your entire chess career; children make mistakes and they are allowed to recover from them. Being a past cheater means you are more suspicious, however it does not mean you should be condemned with no concrete evidence the moment someone suggests you cheated.
Reputation is inversely proportional to dieting. Fat just flies to your hips, but takes ages to take off; reputation, however, is lost extremely fast, but takes a long time to rebuild.
@@gladosadoree Very true.
@@richardliu7838 For an old fart like me, 16 was over 30 years ago. Keep in mind, though, that Hans is only 19; so, 16 could potentially be like only 2.5 years ago. Which would make this 'Sins of the [very recent] past.' Those tend to linger with you a little longer.
@@richardliu7838 often children who steal at childhood become thieves
The way they can prevent cheating is by not putting the game on line live, or with a delay
That thumbnail.. Chef's kiss.
you can obviously always have a phone planted in the bathroom. or some other tiny technology. you can bribe people the way prisoners and their people can bribe or convince a prison guard to give a phone to a prisoner. if you can get a phone in prison you can get a phone in a chess tournament. youd have to keep tabs on the players at all times
Just have random 'plants' placed in the audience like the CIA does to keep tabs on players; where they're making eye contact, hand or body language signals, bathroom and coffee breaks, etc.
lol i feel like im in a movie for just a dumb silly game that should be enjoyed
@@johnbowman3630 good idea
@@_Cfocus these guys arent playing for fun they . its not a game its a professional sport and a careerare playing competetively for money and fame
17 minutes of Hikaru's video is already copy pasted on a channel called Daily Dose of Chess Clips.
So?
I maybe wouldn't be watching this one without that one
@@ruthxk7844 There are millions of videos you haven't watched. What is your point? Does this justify stealing content?
@@lefgia k to Hikaru eixe tetoio provlhma me to STLC. De nomizw na tou niazei an k autós "klevei" mpideákia, opws les esu.
should’ve put hans at the thumbnail
Cavity checks lets gooo
This was damage control and a genius PR move from Hikaru. He got a lot of criticism for his stream the day that Magnus withdrew and yoking himself with someone as level headed and respected as Naro was a shrewd move.
Seems to me that cheating is more tempting now because of cell phones and computers.
Daniel uses such fine language. Inspiring.
Faraday fabric exists and isn't cost-prohibitive. It could easily be used to block all electromagnetic signals from entering or leaving a room.
I don't understand why people can't understand the difference between calling things suspicious and insinuating that someone was cheating. Everyone accusing hikaru of either directly or 'indirectly' accusing hans or accusing hikaru of 'insinuating' that hans was cheating can't grasp that difference somehow.
Would be a great podcasting duo right here.
What if he's got some kind of implant in his ear, would the wand detect it?
Perhaps they should not only do frequency scans but actively jam RF within the hall.
Lol the examples given of technology in OTB cheating are somebody standing over the board with a super secret “code”
signaling the moves 😂
Magnus team may or may not think Hans cheated but they had suspicions and had to drop out and begin to look at Hans very closely , if they weren't doing that already ,
It's obvious magnus team had cheating suspicions and voiced to the tourney , why else did they install the delay 15 min next day ??? Either that or leaked prep from his camp ???
I'm just guessing who knows ????
This is the content I needed best too guys two cover this drama
Everyone blaming gms for speculating but what are we supposed to do ignore it all and not talk about it ??
Hans Niemann should expect cavity search before every game. Blitz tournaments now sound a bit uncomfortable.
Lovely coverage of the games.
Many interesting points!
Chess has always seemed like a gentlemans game and its intruiging what an accusation does to the fanbase and some of the commentators.
The modern fanbase is mostly derived from Twitch, in other words generally toxic AF; that's why the 'gentleman's game' dynamic has shifted, possibly irrevocably.