You forget that Mercedes weren’t actually a front running team to start with? Remember all the papers talking about how Hamilton has made a mistake going there. Ofc he wasn’t responsible for all their success Brawn , cowell etc had a big part but Lewis transformed that team with his quality driving , and the fact that he was able to pull laps out with a car that was relatively unstable. Your dumb to think he didnt play a part in some success
No one said he didn't play a part in the success, the point was that Mercedes deserves most of the credit because if Hamilton hadn't of gone, they'd still be winning the titles.
"but Lewis transformed that team with his quality driving , and the fact that he was able to pull laps out with a car that was relatively unstable" He was outqualified by Rosberg in 2014, lost to him in 2016, Btw, Rosberg was the driver within the team since 2010 Also, no one said he didn't play a part in some success, the point is he didn't play a lion share of it
@@TheCasualF1Fan Schumacher gets totaled 3 years nonstop by his should be wingman and got send for his 2nd retirement with tail in his legs, what do you reckon?
Mercedes benefitted massively from the engine regs in 2014, Hamilton had nothing to do with that They win 2014-16 with or without him, you’d have to be blind not to notice that
For those wondering: but what else did Chicane have to say before he flew back to his home planet? - RB is now “too stable”. An odd statement for an F1 team, but that team worked well when it churned through talent at a vicious rate. The dropping of Gasly back there created a dithering kind of atmosphere where they weren’t sure what to do with him, which inadvertently created a situation where you could now go to this team and enjoy a safe position. What it needs to be doing is putting young drivers in, seeing if they sink or swim, and then promoting or firing them. Neither Tsunoda or Ricciardo are moving up - really those seats should be going to Lawson, Iwasa, Hadjar or Lindblad next year. - I’m predicting a Piastri win this weekend. He’s been very strong, and very unlucky this year. If we can get a weekend where his luck holds and he makes no mistakes, he can beat Norris. - Mercedes are going to be an interesting one to watch this weekend. We know they have one lap pace, but how are they going to go if we have an incident free, no rain, kind of race?
Inaccurate on many levels. Mercedes wasn’t fast when Lewis arrived. His input made the w07 much faster. Rosberg wouldn’t have beat Ferrari in 2017/2018 or max in 2021. Mercedes wanted to stick with the w13 concept until Lewis kept pushing for the change.
Inaccurate on even more levels: They already had a very good car in 2013 when he joined. Him and Rosberg were very close and the team finished 2nd in 2013, that car was built on the input of Rosberg/Schumacher more than Hamilton. The engine in 2014 was the key differentiator in making the Mercedes faster for 14/15/16 than the competition, that's a fact, not speculation. The W07 was a development on what the team had already been doing (as it was the year before the 2017 regulation changes), also the W07 is the car Rosberg won in, so are you saying that like Lewis' input from the W13 to the W15 he helps build the car for his teammate to go faster? How selfless. Rosberg was in a title battle with Hamilton every year and Bottas was only 12 points off Vettel in 2017...so yes, Rosberg absolutely would've won in 2017, saying he wouldn't is massively dillusional. 2018 who knows, I already said, that one was a closer call but I think Rosberg would've taken it. Lewis didn't win in 2021 so that's irrelevant.
Agree with most of your points, I do think that in 2017 and 2018 Merc faced some challenge from Ferrari and In those years I do feel that there were times where Hamilton made the difference against Vettel, there was even a report which stated that ferrari engineers at time felt that their car was just as good as merc at certain tracks but that Hamilton just made the difference.
Yeah absolutely in 2017 and 2018 Hamilton made a big difference, but I think for 2017 that Rosberg would've taken it for example. In 2018 it's harder to say given where Bottas was however I still think the car/team was good enough that an Alonso or Rosberg would've won.
Imo 2018 is the only example where this is true. Ferrari were slightly down on power compared to Merc in 2017 Swap Hamilton and Vettel in 2017 and Merc still win it
YOU seem to forget that it was Mercedes that recruited SLH!! HE didn't run off to a Great Team like SENNA/SHUMI/ALONSO did! So make videos about how they jumped around!!!!
Hamilton left McLaren during hard times to go to a team with more potential, he's just done the same this year while Merc was struggling. So all that proves is that he got lucky that Mercedes had 8 years of great cars, which the other drivers didn't get because other teams haven't had that run. Your point doesn't make sense.
Without SLH! Vettel could have won another WDC!! MADMAX could have won the 2020 WDC!! If you use that Logic MADMAX is SHIT WITHOUT Adrian Newey Genius car! Since he is the only car designer that knew any thing about Ground Effect!!! The maFIA knew this that why they want to him for the concept A up n coming team wants the best driver in their car SLH!!!
@@southerncomfort1339 Bottas beat Max in 2020, so no the Mercedes was winning that year regardless...I also said in the podcast that the 2023 Red Bull was a similar situation and that 2018 for example for Hamilton is like Max this year where the driver makes the difference. You need to get off the internet, you sound stressed over a sport which is supposed to be enjoyable. At the very least you need to actually listen to the argument before just repeating nonsense you read online ;)
@@currentandcombustion lol, everyone in the paddock mocked the move from mclaren to merc. he went to a team that was 5th and it was seen as a career ending move
I mean of course drivers need a fast car to reach their full potential. But a great driver makes the difference. There's a reason Bottas never won a championship despite having the same car as Lewis, there's a reason Baricchello never won a championship despite having the same car as Michael and there's a reason Checo is not going to win a championship despite having the same car as Max. The teams give them them a capable car but the greats are the ones that turn them into championship winning cars.
Yeah, the reason is all 3 of Bottas, Checo, or Barrichello were good but not great drivers. Lewis is a great driver, but during his era so was Vettel and Alonso. It's the thing on 4-wheel beneath his bum that played a big role. Something that gets diminished
RB had a car that was as good as Mercedes by 2019. Look back to Hungry 2019 and how max was able to outqualify the Mercedes and still keep his nose ahead. He only lost it by brilliant effort from LH and strategy to pit LH for new tyres which forced RB to keep Max on the road until he was later caught and passed only two laps to go.
Red Bull (and Max) were really good at certain tracks, no one is denying that. The Mercedes was the fastest car on average over the whole season. That's my point. Bottas beat Max in the championship that year, and would've won 6 more races if Lewis wasn't there. Lewis was brilliant, but they were still winning the WDC in 2019 without him.
Who are these strawmen that you're responding to? I've literally only ever heard the opposite, that Lewis is actually a completely average driver and Mercedes is the only reason he's even relevant. 😂
Mercedes, Schumacher, Brawn Haug and Cowel were responsible for the build-up of the Mercedes team and the building of the engine. Hamilton had nothing to do with that. Under the leadership of Schumacher two teams were build i.e. Mercedes and Ferrari. Mercedes had the best car for 8 years and was dominant for 7. Lewis lost two championships in those years. This are the statistics. He still is a very good and successfull driver. Hamilton did outperform his team mate Bottas in the races. In qualifying Bottas was much closer. The #teamLH groupies are bad but I have to admit there are very bad cases of desiusion under the Verstappen-Shaggers. Wich is a shame. In 2016 Rosberg won the first 4 races and then Spain happened. Rosberg knew at that point what season it was going to be.Austria was another example how far Lewis was prepared to go. At the start of the season Sainz was nowhere the first choice. He could become Mercedes' first choice. Russell's contract ends next year so a one + one could be the golden ticket. He needs to beat Russell and the Mercedes line-up in 2026 will be Sainz-Antonelli. The Mercedes of '22-23 and the first part of '24 was a dog to drive. The current Mercedes isn't bad. Sainz is known als for his developing skills also. It is a good move for Mercedes and it gives Antonelli at least one year time to adapt to F1. He doesn't do that well in F2 for context. Hitler helped Franco to power in Spain. Mussolini was Hitlers hero in the '30s. Officially Spain was neutral in WOII but ships and submarines were allowed to resupply. Pérez got a new contract for better exit clauses. His contract would run out end of the year anyway. All the criticism about the Vcarb team is trough but...... Al teamst started a drivers developing programme to the example of the Red Bull team. The amount of drivers who are capable to drive in F1 stays the same. So a lesser driver connected with the right team at the right time gets the call when the more talented one stays on the sidelines. Max since Riccardo left carries Red Bull. Jos making noise is not without consent from Max and Raimond. Mercedes has Lewis forced out indeed. His political standpoints are bad for Mercedes' core business. Nothing taken away from his achievements unter the banner of Mercedes. Predictions, cars are close McLaren and Ferrari have the fastest car and Red Bull has Max. Max 1 Lando 2 and Hamilton 3 Ferrari ruines their strategy.
@@currentandcombustion Yeah I like it, it is tad long but entertaining. Happily it is definitely not political correct. Kuddo's for The Unbiased F1 Fan and yourself.
You forget that Mercedes weren’t actually a front running team to start with? Remember all the papers talking about how Hamilton has made a mistake going there. Ofc he wasn’t responsible for all their success Brawn , cowell etc had a big part but Lewis transformed that team with his quality driving , and the fact that he was able to pull laps out with a car that was relatively unstable. Your dumb to think he didnt play a part in some success
No one said he didn't play a part in the success, the point was that Mercedes deserves most of the credit because if Hamilton hadn't of gone, they'd still be winning the titles.
"but Lewis transformed that team with his quality driving , and the fact that he was able to pull laps out with a car that was relatively unstable"
He was outqualified by Rosberg in 2014, lost to him in 2016,
Btw, Rosberg was the driver within the team since 2010
Also, no one said he didn't play a part in some success, the point is he didn't play a lion share of it
@@TheCasualF1Fan Schumacher gets totaled 3 years nonstop by his should be wingman and got send for his 2nd retirement with tail in his legs, what do you reckon?
@@madjayax731 what about it?
Mercedes benefitted massively from the engine regs in 2014, Hamilton had nothing to do with that
They win 2014-16 with or without him, you’d have to be blind not to notice that
For those wondering: but what else did Chicane have to say before he flew back to his home planet?
- RB is now “too stable”. An odd statement for an F1 team, but that team worked well when it churned through talent at a vicious rate. The dropping of Gasly back there created a dithering kind of atmosphere where they weren’t sure what to do with him, which inadvertently created a situation where you could now go to this team and enjoy a safe position. What it needs to be doing is putting young drivers in, seeing if they sink or swim, and then promoting or firing them. Neither Tsunoda or Ricciardo are moving up - really those seats should be going to Lawson, Iwasa, Hadjar or Lindblad next year.
- I’m predicting a Piastri win this weekend. He’s been very strong, and very unlucky this year. If we can get a weekend where his luck holds and he makes no mistakes, he can beat Norris.
- Mercedes are going to be an interesting one to watch this weekend. We know they have one lap pace, but how are they going to go if we have an incident free, no rain, kind of race?
Phew, now the season can end :P
this should help :P
How can you not know the name of your podcast 🤣🤣🤣
Got distracted by something 😁
He's a moron.
Jason implying that Casual is part of Hulkenberg extreme fanbase 🤣🤣
Everyone should be a part of the Hulkenberg extreme fanbase
Inaccurate on many levels. Mercedes wasn’t fast when Lewis arrived. His input made the w07 much faster. Rosberg wouldn’t have beat Ferrari in 2017/2018 or max in 2021. Mercedes wanted to stick with the w13 concept until Lewis kept pushing for the change.
Inaccurate on even more levels:
They already had a very good car in 2013 when he joined. Him and Rosberg were very close and the team finished 2nd in 2013, that car was built on the input of Rosberg/Schumacher more than Hamilton.
The engine in 2014 was the key differentiator in making the Mercedes faster for 14/15/16 than the competition, that's a fact, not speculation.
The W07 was a development on what the team had already been doing (as it was the year before the 2017 regulation changes), also the W07 is the car Rosberg won in, so are you saying that like Lewis' input from the W13 to the W15 he helps build the car for his teammate to go faster? How selfless.
Rosberg was in a title battle with Hamilton every year and Bottas was only 12 points off Vettel in 2017...so yes, Rosberg absolutely would've won in 2017, saying he wouldn't is massively dillusional.
2018 who knows, I already said, that one was a closer call but I think Rosberg would've taken it.
Lewis didn't win in 2021 so that's irrelevant.
Agree with most of your points, I do think that in 2017 and 2018 Merc faced some challenge from Ferrari and In those years I do feel that there were times where Hamilton made the difference against Vettel, there was even a report which stated that ferrari engineers at time felt that their car was just as good as merc at certain tracks but that Hamilton just made the difference.
Yeah absolutely in 2017 and 2018 Hamilton made a big difference, but I think for 2017 that Rosberg would've taken it for example.
In 2018 it's harder to say given where Bottas was however I still think the car/team was good enough that an Alonso or Rosberg would've won.
Imo 2018 is the only example where this is true. Ferrari were slightly down on power compared to Merc in 2017
Swap Hamilton and Vettel in 2017 and Merc still win it
I did read the tweet and i agree with it
where's the fun in that 😐
YOU seem to forget that it was Mercedes that recruited SLH!! HE didn't run off to a Great Team like SENNA/SHUMI/ALONSO did! So make videos about how they jumped around!!!!
@@southerncomfort1339
Mercedes recruited Lewis. Hence the credit for success goes to Lewis?
How?
Hamilton left McLaren during hard times to go to a team with more potential, he's just done the same this year while Merc was struggling. So all that proves is that he got lucky that Mercedes had 8 years of great cars, which the other drivers didn't get because other teams haven't had that run. Your point doesn't make sense.
Without SLH! Vettel could have won another WDC!! MADMAX could have won the 2020 WDC!! If you use that Logic MADMAX is SHIT WITHOUT Adrian Newey Genius car! Since he is the only car designer that knew any thing about Ground Effect!!! The maFIA knew this that why they want to him for the concept A up n coming team wants the best driver in their car SLH!!!
@@southerncomfort1339 Bottas beat Max in 2020, so no the Mercedes was winning that year regardless...I also said in the podcast that the 2023 Red Bull was a similar situation and that 2018 for example for Hamilton is like Max this year where the driver makes the difference.
You need to get off the internet, you sound stressed over a sport which is supposed to be enjoyable.
At the very least you need to actually listen to the argument before just repeating nonsense you read online ;)
@@currentandcombustion lol, everyone in the paddock mocked the move from mclaren to merc. he went to a team that was 5th and it was seen as a career ending move
A simple hello
I mean of course drivers need a fast car to reach their full potential. But a great driver makes the difference. There's a reason Bottas never won a championship despite having the same car as Lewis, there's a reason Baricchello never won a championship despite having the same car as Michael and there's a reason Checo is not going to win a championship despite having the same car as Max. The teams give them them a capable car but the greats are the ones that turn them into championship winning cars.
Yeah, the reason is all 3 of Bottas, Checo, or Barrichello were good but not great drivers.
Lewis is a great driver, but during his era so was Vettel and Alonso.
It's the thing on 4-wheel beneath his bum that played a big role. Something that gets diminished
RB had a car that was as good as Mercedes by 2019. Look back to Hungry 2019 and how max was able to outqualify the Mercedes and still keep his nose ahead. He only lost it by brilliant effort from LH and strategy to pit LH for new tyres which forced RB to keep Max on the road until he was later caught and passed only two laps to go.
Red Bull (and Max) were really good at certain tracks, no one is denying that.
The Mercedes was the fastest car on average over the whole season. That's my point. Bottas beat Max in the championship that year, and would've won 6 more races if Lewis wasn't there.
Lewis was brilliant, but they were still winning the WDC in 2019 without him.
No offense , I thought Mobile Chicane was above your league 😂
@@mvd4436 we did too
Just to clarify, I forgot the name intentionally 🙃😁
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@@shivam77043 😁😁
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Who are these strawmen that you're responding to? I've literally only ever heard the opposite, that Lewis is actually a completely average driver and Mercedes is the only reason he's even relevant. 😂
Go on F1 twitter...or in the comments on @wheelsports you'll see loads :P
Mercedes, Schumacher, Brawn Haug and Cowel were responsible for the build-up of the Mercedes team and the building of the engine. Hamilton had nothing to do with that. Under the leadership of Schumacher two teams were build i.e. Mercedes and Ferrari. Mercedes had the best car for 8 years and was dominant for 7. Lewis lost two championships in those years. This are the statistics. He still is a very good and successfull driver.
Hamilton did outperform his team mate Bottas in the races. In qualifying Bottas was much closer.
The #teamLH groupies are bad but I have to admit there are very bad cases of desiusion under the Verstappen-Shaggers. Wich is a shame.
In 2016 Rosberg won the first 4 races and then Spain happened. Rosberg knew at that point what season it was going to be.Austria was another example how far Lewis was prepared to go.
At the start of the season Sainz was nowhere the first choice. He could become Mercedes' first choice. Russell's contract ends next year so a one + one could be the golden ticket. He needs to beat Russell and the Mercedes line-up in 2026 will be Sainz-Antonelli.
The Mercedes of '22-23 and the first part of '24 was a dog to drive. The current Mercedes isn't bad. Sainz is known als for his developing skills also. It is a good move for Mercedes and it gives Antonelli at least one year time to adapt to F1. He doesn't do that well in F2 for context.
Hitler helped Franco to power in Spain. Mussolini was Hitlers hero in the '30s. Officially Spain was neutral in WOII but ships and submarines were allowed to resupply.
Pérez got a new contract for better exit clauses. His contract would run out end of the year anyway.
All the criticism about the Vcarb team is trough but...... Al teamst started a drivers developing programme to the example of the Red Bull team. The amount of drivers who are capable to drive in F1 stays the same. So a lesser driver connected with the right team at the right time gets the call when the more talented one stays on the sidelines.
Max since Riccardo left carries Red Bull. Jos making noise is not without consent from Max and Raimond.
Mercedes has Lewis forced out indeed. His political standpoints are bad for Mercedes' core business. Nothing taken away from his achievements unter the banner of Mercedes.
Predictions, cars are close McLaren and Ferrari have the fastest car and Red Bull has Max. Max 1 Lando 2 and Hamilton 3 Ferrari ruines their strategy.
Henk I love your comments :D It's like a fact check wiki on the videos haha!
thanks for this and I hope you enjoyed the podcast!
@@currentandcombustion
Yeah I like it, it is tad long but entertaining. Happily it is definitely not political correct. Kuddo's for The Unbiased F1 Fan and yourself.
Oh I love this Henk, (Mostly the Spanish Fascism bit)
happy to have you onboard
@@TheCasualF1Fan
Europe's history is a mess. This mess is shared with the rest of the world by the kolonial history.
Yea like redbull is the reason of Max success Ferrari is the reason for Schumacher success yea sure of course....
completely agreed about Max at Red Bull.
not about Michael at Ferrari
@@BlatantlyBiasedRacing Elaborate?
@@BlatantlyBiasedRacing because agenda must agend.