A marvellous piece, the introduction to the series with a very competent, dignified and educated guest in, Inkhosi Nthanthla Ndiweni, no better person to open the new season could have been chosen. Lovely speaking voices from you both, simply wonderful listening. Thank you both.
Please could I thank you both for feeding my thirst to learn the rich history of where I was born.....yes I agree Sir we can only win when we all win. The greatest of respect to both of you and all who hold peace in their hearts....take care
Thank you Karl ... I shall be starting a series of interviews mid year and this will hopefully bring you some more information. I hope you have been able to listen to my 14 part series of the Land Between Two Rivers on my TH-cam channel - that will take you through from King Mzilikazi to the declaration of Independence in 1965. th-cam.com/channels/tU3YluAR_2SNPs-wMupJ3g.html
Thanks you so much Jill and Chief Ndiweni. So interesting. My grandmother left Kroonstad with the Steyn trek in 1894 and were allocated farms in Melsetter area by CJR.......lots more to be said.
Indeed Peter . . . so glad you were absorbed in this intriguing chat with Chief Ndiweni. The Moodie and Steyn treks brought some fine farmers into Southern Rhodesia at that time ... it is a great sadness that so few commercial farms as such remain.
Chief Nthlanthla Ndiweni you would make a great leader and a great King . You speak with humility and honesty. You have my respect. The really like the Matabele and your culture.
Ross, I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up ... if you subscribe to my channel, I can be sure you will have received a notification about this. He is inspirational and a great hope for the country.
wonderful conversation really an eye opener into our history keep up the good work mam... watching all your history lessons makes me proud to be Ndebele ..siyabonga thank you
I'm so glad you are enjoying the talks Thabani - and that you are proud to be Ndebele - truly nation builders and Chief Nthlanthlayamangwe Ndiweni is an extraordinary leader.
Thank you Mntungwa . . . it is an joy to interview a man who is such a reminder to me of the inspiring Chiefs I grew up with as a child. . . and a privilege to be working with the Khumalo family and their related clans. We all wish for better things.
I have a series of talks with Chief Ndiweni coming up in the next few weeks. If you subscribe to my channel, I can make sure you hear about it. He is absolutely inspirational Kyle, am sure you will be greatly encouraged.
@@JillBakerZim Very intesting conversation. I didn't quite agree with the Chiefs view on Western "democracy" in a favourable light, especially the past 2yrs. Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand witnessed some of the most draconian restrictions and unethical mandates...not to mention the severe censorship and attacks on freedom of speech. With regards to Zimbabwe he was spot on.
I would agree with that! In a moment of panic democracy became almost autocratic in all those countries you have named. Bit of the Island mentality in Australia and New Zealand perhaps, but not really excusable elsewhere! I hope to be doing a series with Chief Ndiweni over the next six months or so - he is a firm believer that checks and balances of democracy are critical to the consolidation of good governance in Zim - I would agree with that too - once those administrative systems are operating well, they can be changed to meet and underwrite the culture of the country. Fascinating stuff! Glad you have enjoyed them.
Your dad was a brave man inquisitive intelligent and best of all adventurous.... Like yourself, you i can say you lived a life of your dreams. You are a Motivation
Thank you Sean, I do appreciate that - but I wish there had been more like him. We might have been able to all live together much more happily. Bless you
Hi Sean . . . I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly - if you subscribe to my channel, i will feel sure that you will get the information and be able to listen to them.
Just to let you know that I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly. If you subscribe to my channel, I will feel sure you will get some information about it.
According to the book Mlimo by A A Campbell aka Mziki, Jill is correct in that three children were captured at the Vegkop massacre and given to King Mzilikazi as presents. He gave them the names: Msweyana, Velani and Toyoli (the little girl). As a surname (Isibongo) he gave them his mother's name of Ndiweni who was a minor princess from Swaziland. It goes on to say that the little girl lived to an old age and married an induna. My family who was entwined in the Bulalima/Mangwe area and owned the Avoca farm in Plumtree was also related to the Khamas see (The first steps in civilising Rhodesia by Boogie) in the chapter Mrs Phoebe Bulala Taylor. Without having proof I honestly believe that my family originate from the little girl and that she had a child from Mzilikazi before she fled with Lobengula.
That is fascinating Anthony - I have passed it on to the Chief and he is keen to follow it up as well - although his plate is a little full at the moment. I am very interested in what you have read - and trying to think it through following a fairly definitive report I read by I think Marshall Hole - just can't remember at the moment . . . this suggested that Sarah (Toyoli) died of snake bite in the Matopos when, it was thought, she was only about 12 years old - and of course that she was a friend and nursemaid to the young Prince Jandu (King Lobengula). Certainly there is speculation that the boy became known as Induna Sam and often went riding horses and hunting with his friends, Prince Jandu, Selous and others including Baden Powell ... so it may be that the other sister had a child by King Milikazi and went on to marry an Induna. Wouldn't it be wonderful to exactly work it all out - which the Chief is also keen to do when he can. How interesting, to be part of all that history and of course your relationship to the Khama family. My grandfather, Bob Hammond, was headmaster of Plumtree School from 1906 t0 1936 - so we have much in common.
@@JillBakerZim Thank you for coming back to me, this sort of thing doesn't happen often. I am so pleased that you have taken an interest in my story (dilemma). Out of the three children Msweyana, Toyoli's brother, died after two planting seasons and Velani, a coloured boy, who became a threat to Mzilikazi was killed by him. Toyoli I found out ran away with Lobengula to save him from his father. Now I ask myself why would she have done that unless she also had a child and needed to protect her from the same man (father). Two references are: South African military - Who's who 1452 to 1992 by Ian Uys and the other unfortunately I did not record but it was from the internet where it said that Robert Moffat negotiated with Mzilikazi to take a woman and children back to their own kind. I believe that my G/G/G grandmother was either Sarah the little girl or her daughter that married King Hasiboni of the Batlhping tribe of Bechwanas. I remember as a small child attending a coronation of a Chief on Avoca farm with my family. My G/grandfather, Captain Alfred Bulala Taylor did a lot of work for Plumtree School. see The Plumtree papers by Clarke.
@@golden04051 I will pass this on to Chief Ndiweni as he is also fascinated by your story - thank you Anthony ... I remember my father talking about Bulala Taylor. I think there are two stories mixed up in the situation where Robert Moffat asked King Mzilikazi to release someone. I quote from my book The Horns, (taken from some of Moffat's diary entries) and also from research papers I have found: “Mzilikazi allocated Moffat some land near his next capital at Inyati for the first London Missionary Society mission in Matabeleland. In 1859, Moffat and his son John put up buildings for the first missionaries, William Sykes and Thomas Morgan Thomas.
@@JillBakerZim I think you are right in that there are two stories entwined. I say this because my time line differs from yours.slightly. I know that Moffat remained in Kuruman where he married my G/G/grandmother to a trader named Clarke around 1870. Her father, King Hasiboni was beheaded by the Boers in August of 1856 where they bought a bushman with some tobacco to do the ghastly deed. I understand that his head is buried in front of a Church but I don't know which one. There are one or two family stories that bear a resemblance to history I have read: My mother spoke of a blind coloured man she remembered, and a missionary's daughter that warned Bulala Taylor of an attack on his camp by the Impi. I am busy reading the biography of Robert and Mary Moffat written by his son from letters and other documents he had. Herein I am hoping to find additional proof of my story.
@@golden04051 excellent stuff Anthony - keep me in touch - Moffatt regular reports back to the LMC are the most reliable source I found - because he doesn’t have to answer to anyone except God - so they are pretty accurate.
Hello Patience . . . I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly - if you subscribe to my channel, i will feel sure that you will get the information and be able to listen to them.
Hello Hokoyo . . . I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly - if you subscribe to my channel, i will feel sure that you will get the information and be able to listen to them.
chief where is your surname derived from, in Zulu we don't have a surname like Ndiweni i have Lived in Natal i have never met someone by the surname Ndiweni
@@flamelilyfoundation3458 ok Skaka's mother was daughter of bhebhe a past chief of elangeni nation because its believed he grew up on his mother side. You know some of the Ndebele surnames were made here in Zimbabwe so im just surprised to see a them, you know us Ndebeles we an offshoot of Zulu nation thats why you see our surnames are similar to those of Zulu people and even languages they are same, but Ndebeles native to South Africa we are totally different even if we share the same they name they are followers of Nzuza and Zimbabwean Ndebeles are followers of Mzilikazi a former shaka Zulu army commander. So if you wanna spot a real Ndebele surname if should be found in South Africa within the Zulus because we came from Zulus but if u speak Ndebele and your surname is no where to be found ey??????
A reply from the Chief for you Dinizulu : Yes Dinuzulu Mabhena is right. You will not find the surname Ndiweni in Natal and there is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful twist in the Ndiweni history that people will love. It links the Zulu Royal family, the Khumalo Royal family and the Mswati Dlamini Royal Family of eSwatini
@@JillBakerZim thank you mam im just 20 years old. Even me im in the royal family Zulus with surnames like Mabaso, Mabhena, Musi Mhlanya they are Khumalos.
A marvellous piece, the introduction to the series with a very competent, dignified and educated guest in, Inkhosi Nthanthla Ndiweni, no better person to open the new season could have been chosen. Lovely speaking voices from you both, simply wonderful listening. Thank you both.
Please could I thank you both for feeding my thirst to learn the rich history of where I was born.....yes I agree Sir we can only win when we all win. The greatest of respect to both of you and all who hold peace in their hearts....take care
Thank you Karl ... I shall be starting a series of interviews mid year and this will hopefully bring you some more information. I hope you have been able to listen to my 14 part series of the Land Between Two Rivers on my TH-cam channel - that will take you through from King Mzilikazi to the declaration of Independence in 1965. th-cam.com/channels/tU3YluAR_2SNPs-wMupJ3g.html
Thanks you so much Jill and Chief Ndiweni. So interesting. My grandmother left Kroonstad with the Steyn trek in 1894 and were allocated farms in Melsetter area by CJR.......lots more to be said.
Indeed Peter . . . so glad you were absorbed in this intriguing chat with Chief Ndiweni. The Moodie and Steyn treks brought some fine farmers into Southern Rhodesia at that time ... it is a great sadness that so few commercial farms as such remain.
Chief Nthlanthla Ndiweni you would make a great leader and a great King . You speak with humility and honesty. You have my respect. The really like the Matabele and your culture.
You're absolutely right - a Chief from a long line of excellent Chiefs ... with that intangible gift of leadership.
Ross, I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up ... if you subscribe to my channel, I can be sure you will have received a notification about this. He is inspirational and a great hope for the country.
@@JillBakerZim Hi .. I have subscribed yes long ago.. much appreciated ! Thanks Jill .. stay well !
wonderful conversation really an eye opener into our history keep up the good work mam... watching all your history lessons makes me proud to be Ndebele
..siyabonga thank you
I'm so glad you are enjoying the talks Thabani - and that you are proud to be Ndebele - truly nation builders and Chief Nthlanthlayamangwe Ndiweni is an extraordinary leader.
Thank you so much for this great service.. May the Lord bless you and enlarge your territory.
Thank you Mntungwa . . . it is an joy to interview a man who is such a reminder to me of the inspiring Chiefs I grew up with as a child. . . and a privilege to be working with the Khumalo family and their related clans. We all wish for better things.
This is absolutely fantastic, I feel this will help heal our nation please keep going.
I have a series of talks with Chief Ndiweni coming up in the next few weeks. If you subscribe to my channel, I can make sure you hear about it. He is absolutely inspirational Kyle, am sure you will be greatly encouraged.
🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 Great Work. 🇿🇼
That ending...😢😢 beautiful!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it Jongwe . . .
@@JillBakerZim Very intesting conversation. I didn't quite agree with the Chiefs view on Western "democracy" in a favourable light, especially the past 2yrs. Canada, UK, Australia and New Zealand witnessed some of the most draconian restrictions and unethical mandates...not to mention the severe censorship and attacks on freedom of speech. With regards to Zimbabwe he was spot on.
I would agree with that! In a moment of panic democracy became almost autocratic in all those countries you have named. Bit of the Island mentality in Australia and New Zealand perhaps, but not really excusable elsewhere! I hope to be doing a series with Chief Ndiweni over the next six months or so - he is a firm believer that checks and balances of democracy are critical to the consolidation of good governance in Zim - I would agree with that too - once those administrative systems are operating well, they can be changed to meet and underwrite the culture of the country. Fascinating stuff! Glad you have enjoyed them.
Your dad was a brave man inquisitive intelligent and best of all adventurous.... Like yourself, you i can say you lived a life of your dreams. You are a Motivation
Thank you Sean, I do appreciate that - but I wish there had been more like him. We might have been able to all live together much more happily.
Bless you
Hi Sean . . . I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly - if you subscribe to my channel, i will feel sure that you will get the information and be able to listen to them.
Great work
Just to let you know that I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly. If you subscribe to my channel, I will feel sure you will get some information about it.
According to the book Mlimo by A A Campbell aka Mziki, Jill is correct in that three children were captured at the Vegkop massacre and given to King Mzilikazi as presents. He gave them the names: Msweyana, Velani and Toyoli (the little girl). As a surname (Isibongo) he gave them his mother's name of Ndiweni who was a minor princess from Swaziland. It goes on to say that the little girl lived to an old age and married an induna. My family who was entwined in the Bulalima/Mangwe area and owned the Avoca farm in Plumtree was also related to the Khamas see (The first steps in civilising Rhodesia by Boogie) in the chapter Mrs Phoebe Bulala Taylor. Without having proof I honestly believe that my family originate from the little girl and that she had a child from Mzilikazi before she fled with Lobengula.
That is fascinating Anthony - I have passed it on to the Chief and he is keen to follow it up as well - although his plate is a little full at the moment. I am very interested in what you have read - and trying to think it through following a fairly definitive report I read by I think Marshall Hole - just can't remember at the moment . . . this suggested that Sarah (Toyoli) died of snake bite in the Matopos when, it was thought, she was only about 12 years old - and of course that she was a friend and nursemaid to the young Prince Jandu (King Lobengula). Certainly there is speculation that the boy became known as Induna Sam and often went riding horses and hunting with his friends, Prince Jandu, Selous and others including Baden Powell ... so it may be that the other sister had a child by King Milikazi and went on to marry an Induna. Wouldn't it be wonderful to exactly work it all out - which the Chief is also keen to do when he can. How interesting, to be part of all that history and of course your relationship to the Khama family. My grandfather, Bob Hammond, was headmaster of Plumtree School from 1906 t0 1936 - so we have much in common.
@@JillBakerZim Thank you for coming back to me, this sort of thing doesn't happen often. I am so pleased that you have taken an interest in my story (dilemma). Out of the three children Msweyana, Toyoli's brother, died after two planting seasons and Velani, a coloured boy, who became a threat to Mzilikazi was killed by him. Toyoli I found out ran away with Lobengula to save him from his father. Now I ask myself why would she have done that unless she also had a child and needed to protect her from the same man (father). Two references are: South African military - Who's who 1452 to 1992 by Ian Uys and the other unfortunately I did not record but it was from the internet where it said that Robert Moffat negotiated with Mzilikazi to take a woman and children back to their own kind. I believe that my G/G/G grandmother was either Sarah the little girl or her daughter that married King Hasiboni of the Batlhping tribe of Bechwanas. I remember as a small child attending a coronation of a Chief on Avoca farm with my family. My G/grandfather, Captain Alfred Bulala Taylor did a lot of work for Plumtree School. see The Plumtree papers by Clarke.
@@golden04051 I will pass this on to Chief Ndiweni as he is also fascinated by your story - thank you Anthony ... I remember my father talking about Bulala Taylor.
I think there are two stories mixed up in the situation where Robert Moffat asked King Mzilikazi to release someone. I quote from my book The Horns, (taken from some of Moffat's diary entries) and also from research papers I have found:
“Mzilikazi allocated Moffat some land near his next capital at Inyati for the first London Missionary Society mission in Matabeleland. In 1859, Moffat and his son John put up buildings for the first missionaries, William Sykes and Thomas Morgan Thomas.
@@JillBakerZim I think you are right in that there are two stories entwined. I say this because my time line differs from yours.slightly. I know that Moffat remained in Kuruman where he married my G/G/grandmother to a trader named Clarke around 1870. Her father, King Hasiboni was beheaded by the Boers in August of 1856 where they bought a bushman with some tobacco to do the ghastly deed. I understand that his head is buried in front of a Church but I don't know which one. There are one or two family stories that bear a resemblance to history I have read: My mother spoke of a blind coloured man she remembered, and a missionary's daughter that warned Bulala Taylor of an attack on his camp by the Impi. I am busy reading the biography of Robert and Mary Moffat written by his son from letters and other documents he had. Herein I am hoping to find additional proof of my story.
@@golden04051 excellent stuff Anthony - keep me in touch - Moffatt regular reports back to the LMC are the most reliable source I found - because he doesn’t have to answer to anyone except God - so they are pretty accurate.
Kummandi lah we like it
Hello Patience . . . I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly - if you subscribe to my channel, i will feel sure that you will get the information and be able to listen to them.
@@JillBakerZim yes i would like to watch more of your interviews with him
@@patiencemudau3078 will keep you in touch Patience.
Fabulous
Hello Hokoyo . . . I have a series of interviews with the Chief coming up shortly - if you subscribe to my channel, i will feel sure that you will get the information and be able to listen to them.
former chief
chief where is your surname derived from, in Zulu we don't have a surname like Ndiweni i have Lived in Natal i have never met someone by the surname Ndiweni
Shaka's mother was MaNdiweni , if I heard the interview correctly.
@@flamelilyfoundation3458 ok Skaka's mother was daughter of bhebhe a past chief of elangeni nation because its believed he grew up on his mother side. You know some of the Ndebele surnames were made here in Zimbabwe so im just surprised to see a them, you know us Ndebeles we an offshoot of Zulu nation thats why you see our surnames are similar to those of Zulu people and even languages they are same, but Ndebeles native to South Africa we are totally different even if we share the same they name they are followers of Nzuza and Zimbabwean Ndebeles are followers of Mzilikazi a former shaka Zulu army commander. So if you wanna spot a real Ndebele surname if should be found in South Africa within the Zulus because we came from Zulus but if u speak Ndebele and your surname is no where to be found ey??????
@@flamelilyfoundation3458 I actually got it wrong! It was Mzilikazi's mother who was Ndiweni. Hope you enjoyed the talk.
A reply from the Chief for you Dinizulu : Yes Dinuzulu Mabhena is right. You will not find the surname Ndiweni in Natal and there is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful twist in the Ndiweni history that people will love. It links the Zulu Royal family, the Khumalo Royal family and the Mswati Dlamini Royal Family of eSwatini
@@JillBakerZim thank you mam im just 20 years old. Even me im in the royal family Zulus with surnames like Mabaso, Mabhena, Musi Mhlanya they are Khumalos.