bruh this dude blames all the games he played for any skill issue instead of fixing his weak ass. And when you tried to call him out for it he blocks you 🤦♂
Genshin didnt invent a mode where you battle through a set number of floors fighting a variety of enemies. Its a standard mode, its like saying WuWa invented the holigram boss. It is just a boss fight with variois difficulty levels you see in many games.
what I get from Smack video is: - Genshin invented everything, it is what it is - Smack and his chat probably doesn't know Perfect Dodge, Dodge Counter and Parry builds up Concerto energy - Smack doesn't know how well Wuwa combat fits in TOA, e.g Concerto starting at zero encourages you to Parry and Dodge Counter, executing this well rewards you with Faster Concerto build up = Faster Rotations = Faster Clear times, Timer in TOA encourages you to execute these "Wuwa Combat Systems" well or decently for those dented that will say- "TOA is only a Gear check or Limited Units check" then explain why there's a Danjin or Chixia main soloing all floors with 3 stars? in wuwa you can "Raw stat check" TOA if you don't want to "Get gud" but if you don't have "Raw stats" you have to "Get gud" in TOA this is my comment on Smacks video, sorry for the copypasta
@@xsile._ i don't know who started this rumour but this most certainly isnt the case For starters the time limit in Phantom pain cage is so large I didn't even know there was a time limit, you'll never run out of time. And 2 theres no star system in phantom pain cage so even if you play like a complete moron you still get your rewards as long as you participate in the stage
@@Kuro-senseino in advance pain cage there is a point counter and a 5min time limit also only 5 turns a day,you may be a newbie because there is a ranking 1-3% highest reward etc like
@@VERGIL_A The 1-3% reward system does not affect the gachas currency you gain. And the 5 min timer might as well be non existent cause every boss in advance pain cage can be cleared in under 20 seconds Ultimate pain cage will take over a minute, 2 minutes at most
At this point Smack is just blaming the games he played for his skill issue. This is the same vibe as how he fumbled the recent Illusive realm reward claiming where he slack off for almost the entire month and failed to get all the rewards from Illusive 🤦♂️🤦♂️
See Kuro is technically holding back the difficulty on ToA. Because if they wanted to. They could literally feed us to the wolves by introducing Tower of Babel-like endgame from PGR into WuWa. And make it impossible to finish completely.
Already watched 3 minutes of the video and here's my opinion about this. Don't care about it and just ignore it, what I care the most is what I think of it and I think ToA is very fun ans very challenging, that's the point of opinion. Also, Yinlin's weapon is going out in the next 3 hours, to everyone pulling, I wish you luck👊
aha, the way gacha smack speaks, its like he thinks Genshin invented gaming.. hes one of those people. Thinks everything was invented by genshin and everyone copies it ? Building up from 0 power is how you should expect to play.. You earn your way into your rotation (or button mash, whatever you do best :3 ). Like begining a race. I know Kuro lets us have our ults ready. But we shouldnt expect it.
And that's why he didn't notice bad gacha model came from Nexon or Nebmarble or Bandai Namco games too... Why Gacha games are like this? They saw those two company making money and now they want the pie... That's why low quality gacha start poping out nonstop. I even said this is his video. If anyone want to make gacha being bad? Call out the GREAT FATHER of bad gacha model... Its not Hoyoverse...
Gacha has this weird thing where just because you play one gacha, suddenly youre an authority on other gachas. Wuwa creators should make wuwa content. Genshin players should make genshin content. Thats all there should be. His take is 100% based on him playing genshin for so long....
Weird because I've been playing Genshin for 2 or 2 and a half years I can confidently says that game is dogshit, period. I've gotten sick of that game even just by having it installed and I'm VERY glad to have it gone in my phone. For Wuwa, honestly, as a day 1 player here, the first months of playing wuwa after it released was shit, very and I thought of quitting but I endure it. Then after 1.1, things are getting BETTER AND BETTER and around 1.2, I've completely in love with the game and decided to stick with it probably until I'm 40 (currently 19)
He doesn't like how Saintontas praises WuWa lol and shots miHoyo for their lack of good game so he is here to make a problem based on his former Genshin experience
I couldn't even finish the video the way he talks about ToA is he is taking a shot about Saint and the way he talks about that cutscenes and aome of his statement is highlighing wuwa is he is taking a shot against Ryuuku. 😂@@gwanetayla7683
Well it sounds like this is only a problem for former Genshin players. I tried to play Genshin this year and stopped after 10 minutes. I think Wuwa came out weeks later and I haven’t stopped playing since. So everything about Wuwa including TOA is new to me. I’m okay with improvements but it’s not a pressing matter to me. And I agree that Jianxin feels clunky af I stopped using her after getting the banner units.
Nah, Wuwa don't need to do what this man is asking them to do. Cuz 1 I played the game since day 1 and I noticed that ToA is hard if You just don't try to build multiple of your units + read the buffs given. Stage 1 and 2 for both left and right tower is basically easy to clear up so You can use your one fine dps then 3 starting to get harder where eventually it is left with You need to build more units + this is where you start to use your better built units. Best part from what I noticed when my friend is playing Genshin's Spiral Abyss is that If the run is possible but You failed it, the least we start right away in that stage without having to go through multiple chambers like Spiral Abyss and now you need to do it from 1 again and again even if you just failed the 3rd one. Though ofc at the end once you get lots of build units then both game will result in the same way, You won't have any issue at all because You have "SPENT THE TIME" to build multiple units. Oh BTW, the current ToA for both left and right tower is really challenging that I had to restart right tower stage 4 with Calcharo multiple times + the buff triggered when using skills so I have to use skill twice then ultimate then the 3rd time, it was so dumb but funny at the same time (nailed it after like 5 or more restart)
Did he just complaining about how ToA and Spiral Abyss is 'copy-paste' And later asking ToA to be implemented '100% power' like genshin? But he'll be complaining if it's similar, but he wants it the same as genshin. 😵💫😵💫
Gacha doesn’t understand that Spiral Abyss is like wheels on all cars. They are all the same and copied on all games with the tower system. The devs are just sprinkling in some stuff to make them different. Wuwa just needs more end game modes cuz I like the baseline stat check but I do agree we need more end game to satisfy those who don’t like toa.
For me it's ok since opinions like this, if it reaches Kuro and they think it's a valid criticism they would improve on it, we have already seen Kuro since day 1 in WuWa to listen and act, so no I have no worries at all for CC's giving their opinions and criticisms, I actually welcome it beacause it just becomes a way for the game to get even better again and again The only thing they need to do is be fair and Smack at times does some criticism on Hoyo games as well, I just need to hear him criticize Genshin for things like copying grappling hook and wall run, implementing it on Genshin which feels off wherein the worst part is Genshin took things that works so well in WuWa's system and sold it to their players in a form of limited characters and that only works 100% in a specific region. If he criticizes the "Yoink and twist" approach he should do it both ways
that's why u need to learn ur rotations with knowing how fast u can gain concerto and forte gauge up. thats the thrill of the challenge in playing ToA. u get rewarded by maximising your rotations be it sweaty or quick swap gameplay
In Gacha Smack video he doesn't even introduce how to fix it. He just said the system is bad... Nah the system is just system. You can do anything with it. What I would have done is state WuWa should introduce endless mobs killing mode to hit the highest score. That's what good criticism is. You don't just say the problem but not try to solve it. The game dev looking at Smack's video be like "What fixing?" They won't fix it! Because they don't know!
Remind you that he has lots of 5*Characters but he can't get forte circuit in just a few sec.....oh why would we comment on his vid if he will block you anyway🤣🤣🤣
I think that giving an "objective" opinion should be done when you have more knowledge in this area of games; If you started in gatchas with genshin, that leaves you completely outside of an objective opinion.
WHAT HE WANTS IS PROBABLY FORTE THAT RESONANCE CIRCUIT THING GIVE IT A BUFF WHERE IT ONLY TAKE 2 HIT THEN FULL AGAIN 😂 SO THAT THE ROTATION IS WAY EASIER THAN THE CURRENT ROTATION THIS MAKES HIM A LITTLE BIT LAZY NGL 😂 I'M A F2P I CAN CLEAR IT MAYBE MY ECHOES STATS IS WAY BETTER STOPPED BEING LAZY 😂
Gacha Smack doesn't understand the difference in the game mechanics of Genshin and wuwa. Triggering Intros and outros is core part of wuthering waves. Concerto, which is required to trigger them, is something that players have to build up. In Genshin, reactions are readily available to you from the first second. And he's saying ALL this when wuwa does give you access to the resonance liberation right from the start, same as Genshin. It sounds like "Little pup" is suffering from skill issue, nothing more.
Some people really missed the point here, smack said the mechanic of TOA don't work as much as Spiral Abyss, if you'd only see it as "one of the guys that think that genshin invented everything", then you really have a Pea Brain 😂. Smack literally complimented the gameplay and hologram mode of wuwa and yet y'all be acting he's just a "Hater", like y'all are no different then if you can't even be open minded for one
you know... if your argument is true that its complement and every kurobot is pea brain and you're far open minded, present the evidence. put time mark and present is it sarcasm whatnot and present evidence everyone missing the point. no seriously, present it for others. the comment you write doesn't make it even better, this is just like sipsipstefan giving clown emoji while giving argument on twitter reply, everyone missing the context and everyone just stir the shit water until it goes brown
The truth is kuro fans are in a state that they game kurogames and wuŵa is perfect and dont deserve any cristisism , lets think anou it why itst doens work well with ToA guys ,.. its beacause a time limit challange doest not fit a gema that the Combat its no only abou doing fucking damage and you all need to stop thinking that it its good , put instead the prefer to attack or try to talkshit tio everyone that dont think the game is perfect
How about I as a kuro enjoyer say that his opinion on toa is bad though? Toa is a boring mode that can be criticized, but the fact he says it doesn't work and he says "It's not my pay grade," when he is asked for improvement. I think his points aren't worth engaging with then. I have to say his critiques are pretty bad, when HE HIMSELF says his suggestions are BAD for the balance of the game. When your point is "This doesn't work, because it doesn't give you 100% of your power." When he BOTH doesn't acknowledge that genshin is the EXACT same way with it's rotations and buffers and that concerto energy is built to create windows for your dps maximization. His points aren't really meaningful for improvement. I think TOA is interesting because I don't know what you can do to it, aside from nerfing some bosses hp, but I also think toa is REALLY easy once you understand the basics of the game. It's just boring. I would love to hear actual suggestions for it to be improved. I just don't think Smack's perspective is a good critique at all.
what i got from his take is he want to make the ToA as easy as genshin that just DPS check sandbag that just brute force it without learning game mechanic,,,,
On first thought what is he talking about. But he does have a point there. Personally I don’t need every ability available from the start. Maybe we could could get ride of the countdown and instead make the enemies more dynamic so that they become more aggressive and stronger like in the illusive realm but with way more steps. Throw in some challenges like don’t get hit for the hardcore players, only clear with 4 stars, do some counter attacks just for fun and give a overview at the end like damage taken, preformed hits, dogges, counter attacks, clear time etc. that people can see how they improve. Possibly even an regional ranking based on there play skill that don’t factors in damage and clear time for people that want to compete.
It is important to keep in mind that most players are not hardcore players. For most people it is already hard enough, for a lot of people it is already too hard. Ranking is fine, as long as it doesn't come with extra prizes.. otherwise you are just putting more pressure into 99% of players to make the 1% a little more happy.
@ LOL stop crying about it. Removing the time limit already removes a lot of pressure off casual players and makes it easier for them to get the rewards. Who cares when hardcore players can get a bit more credits and echo material with extra challenges and a ranking system. They do need more of them after all because they spent way more time optimize there builds. I’m not that good of a player myself, but a game needs to stay a challenge and if we loose the hardcore players that are more passionate about the game the game can’t stay relevant. You also need to keep in mind that WuWa generally is designed to be more of an hardcore experience than a casual one. If you don’t like to have a challenge in your game maybe play more of an casual game.
@@darkangel999 Please, this game is enough of a challenge to most people... it doesn't need to become a ng+++++ souls game to "keep being fun". What keeps the game alive are nice units, fun gameplay and some ok story. The vast majority of people don't get even close to 60% of the max damage they could do by playing perfectly. Honestly, if you don't like a somewhat casual but fun game and really need a big challenge... maybe go play a more hardcore game.
@ Well the game becomes easier every patch and it unavoidable has to bekomme hard to count that. Sorry that I think lower the over all bar and adding optional additional challenges on top is a better way to handle things than stuffing more and more annoying bosses in the tower that have more HP and stall you out by flying around or go under ground like Genshin dose it.
So he said they copied Genshin end game and put their signature on it but is asking for kuro to give him 100% at the start like Genshin? WHAT DO YOU WANT? he sounds like a pregnant woman.
I thnk there is skill expression in trying to build concetro and forte at the start of the Toa. And i think its intresing to have different rotations for one team to solve that problem
jinshi, xianliyao, general those are first 3 resonators i think of, and non of there resonance libarations are usefull without other resonators rotation, u stil need to press E on verina or shorekeeper, still need sup or supp DD to use their outro, or stack with coord atacks for jinshi to deal good dmg, those are only few examples, so no, its not "100% power to start of with" like he said
Na, i played genshin for almost 3 years & it went to shit with dendro, if ur not nuking everything with a massive aoe hyperbloom than ur c.c’ing with kazuha, its to easy & boring, in wuwa u need to perfect dodge & parry to build concerto its much more satisfying imo. Tbh in genshin the abyss is basically a timed gauntlet mode that can be found in many games. “They put a lil paint on it here & there” lol
yeah right... like genshin breath of the waif not taking anything from any game lmao (ohh i guess thats why genshin cant release in nintendo console) for me genshin do make the path and i think the community also respect it unless genshin want to be a nintendo, and saying no to fun for any community or any aspiring new game, who take inspiration from them if smack think wuwa tower is a bit clunky and different, sure..... its not genshin man... chill out.... we know its a bit janky sometimes if we didnt know the mechanic deep enough and wuwa tower feels hard and sweaty than genshin genshin main combat system is elemental reaction, wuwa main combat system is resource management / building......
I swear to god if he play WuWa on mobile then we can talk about rotation and time xD I'm playing WuWa mobile without controller and PC if the rotation is bad time will get you besides its a comp wise that's why its diff to spiral since you need intro and outro skill where can support a dps
He's not wrong TOA feels out of place and as someone who played tons of spiral abyss it feels more like a chore. It's definitely the weakest game mode and I sometimes forget to even do it.
Full concerto/forte from start just gonna create another characters balancing issue. Not all character have their forte made equal also not all char have same dps per rotation length. Char/team with longer setup but have bigger output gonna have huge advantage against others.
Yet another person who didn't finish the video. He was going to talk about Changli's case and how she would be a monster with forte and concerto ready from start, and how that would be unbalanced too What he tries to say is: make ToA demand more usage of parry/intro/dodge counter like the Hologram fights do People can solo it with Danjin or Chixia. No intro skills needed (yet it demands a lot of player skill and that's fine too) I can 30/30 ToA without parrying a single boss attack. Why do we have Parrying system then? Makes thing easier but is not a must It's a fair take from him but most people just heard 50% of the video and started calling him out for skill issue, without knowing Smack has no trouble going for a 30/30
I'm not stressing my self about ToA, if my team can't clear or get 3 stars so it's done for me. I know there's astrite in this but what I have to do if I skill issue or my character not well built
It's hard to argue or make a good conversation with someone so arrogant,I do agree there is point to be taken on smack view his way of presenting his opinion basically just trying to undermine wuwa accomplishment. Well hopefully everyone find peace and find middle point,move on dude. self righteous gachasmack is someone with eccentric take and his represent his view quite harsh,but hopefully there is all to it. 🗿
Its an L take tbh and mostly just a skill issue in ToA lmao Edit: my man Smack really needs to stop addressing non-existant problems I get you wanna talk about your issues with the game but ever since that illusive relam store incident and his arguement was "I dont have time cause I touch grass". His takes been going downhill since then
6 min in and this may be the worst take ive heard in a bit. Not a gacha smack fan whatsoever but ive never had an issue with him either but JC this is some dumbass nonsense
ToA, those who beat it will complain, and those who didn’t beat it will complain too, and then those who complain no matter what! 😂 complain for too easy, too simple, or complain for too hard, too complicated. 🤷♂️ Me? As a f2p, only 3 characters that I didn’t have and yet I can’t beat ToA, couldn’t clear it, and too lazy to learn the whole rotation or how team, concerto energy and forte works 🤷♂️. But never crossed my mind to complain about it after I realized that I’m sucks at playing the game. And if there’s anything to complain about Wuwa, that would be the lack of things to do. Between this v1.4 to the next v2.0 update, we are basically just leave hanging there for weeks and there’s nothing left to do. If you guys really wanted the game to be fun, the so called endgame content like ToA shouldn’t be the thing, at all. Because that make the entire game, the entire Wuwa existence is a working towards ToA, which that is bad.( so basically get a new character, max he/she out and clear ToA with ease 🤷♂️) no point of doing anything at all! This game should bring back/in some traditional mmorpg aspect/elements so that us players can have something to do.
@@neegamind😅 well! I’m doing way worse, I can only get 21* total from the both ends, the middle one, either I can’t even beat it or if I do, I can only beat the boss on the last second 😅 that’s how bad I am playing this game( all because I’m too lazy to learn that rotation, concerto, forte etc). I mean I got all the popular characters ( only Jiyan, Zhezhi and Verina that I don’t have the luck for). Yet I can’t clear ToA, and no even bother to! 😂
I am in the middle. I can sometimes clear some ToA on reset with ease and feel like it was a good run, and on some resets, I feel like shxted on how hard it gets, especially the double elements. I don't see their problem, nor do i have any compression of their nonsense. I am eating good. This is "their own problem." Some people's opinions are so unreasonable and straight up cause a problem for others and try to make the game look bad.
@ I felt like sometimes these content creators just wanted to amplify their own opinion “problem”without giving out much of good in return or criticism for good! 🤷♂️. I mean, there are people who can clear ToA with a single freaking character where I can’t do it with 3 😅. I’ve seen people clear ToA with just Danjin, or Jinhsi or Changli or other 5 star characters alone w/in time ( and of course I don’t think that they are f2p like me), so I won’t complain or whine or bother much that I cannot clear 🤷♂️ and not to mention that I know I’m sucks at playing this game because I thought that as long as I get the character(s) and max out the levels, pop in the each set and boom I clear everything. Turn out, it isn’t that! 🤷♂️
@@ChaseYu If you have 3 dps built as you said lvl them up and my concerns would be if you could get their skill talent tree (the important ones that helps the characters deal damage) to be maxed out there is a huge increase at lvl 10 skill talent. With that said you should also just use your best or strongest character last stages dont stress about tower buffs it will limit you
I'm confused because gacha smack hatessss genshin, but what I will say is that wuwa is lacking in the combat department. Once you get a good rotation every team feels the same. The characters have elements for on reason other than preventing you from only using certain one. The combat as is is a great a foundation but it gets boring after a while.
Genshin Impact is the best with elemental reactions to enjoy and make more fun you can crowd control your enemy make fun of them that's the best thing in Genshin Impact
spiral abyss sucked for me because of the enemies they were not fun to fight because they were designed to literally waste your time and every patch they don't change the enemies design or attack pattern they just increase the HP to annoy you
Let’s be honest the game is good yes It copy’s some aspects of genshin impact but better in some ways. but realistically almost all game copy of one another like call of duty by and battlefield, something are different but the outcome is different. Try to make something new is not sow easy as you think when it comes to game development that goes for writing as well as art, an idea I always inspired but not fully copied. But people with experience will always nitpick in the end because something that you like in the other game is no in the one you like the most or something that is small that you dislike in the game.
ToA is 80% gear check, 20% skill check. ToA bosses are easier than holograms such as crownless 6, and they are also quite spongy (especially lvl 100 Feilian). Now if we go compare "hardcore" ToA to old-gen MH games, we will see a huge difference in quality cuz MH's handles difficulty much better and allows you to do all sorts of funny sh it in there😆
@SozoSouji Yea, ToA is for the most part a dps check. If you lack the dmg, no amount of skill will make up for that because there is a timer which reminds you that if you don't clear it within 2 minutes, you won't achieve 3 stars. It is funny.
That video is too nitpicky but I get the point. Top comments here are from sweaty nerds overemphasizing "skill?" As if you are special for being good at the game lol. It's not fun if you're a bad/casual/shafted by rng player, and can't get full clears. Fun >> Skill imo, and losing out on astrites after the reset hurts your soul (from experience). Simplest solution I can think of to keep everyone happy is removing reset tower's fomo astrites (or distributed as participation rewards), and let the nerds and whales compete with each other via ranks and leaderboards, maybe give farmable mats as rewards instead? I say this as a full clearing sweaty nerd myself.
Nah he does have point , having a time limit spiral abyss inspired mode its just dont work in a game that is not just about doing damage u know ? Wtf is this like ... wuwa is not about mashing buttons so why incentive player to clear something as fast as possibly , it just dont ads up with the game shinies and beauty about the combat , those kurobots are just insane to thing this is a good thing and any critisism for the game is invalidade , time limits challanges should and have to be a thing that exists here and there and not a "challange main mode" , it just make u waste more time farming shit to min max or even using monry to get "meta" caracter that u can lose the 50/50 and maybe end up using more money to end it up doing more damage to clear it faster and thats it
I like better TOA than Sp. Beating up 3 floor with one team and I need to start from the floore one if I dont have an element or it would be better with someone else and if miss one star at the last floor I need to do from the start is just annoying. Also the enemis are separeted in more little phases. And the tower defenz side is just hell without a good gruper. Like I dont wanted Kazuha but I didnt get Sucrose just after I already give up and get and build Kazuha. And he is great but I wanted just the characters that I like. And I will say Sp is not really skill base, it is about how luck you get with the artifacts and character builds. And you dont even need that if you buy out cons and sig weapons. I hate when people with c6 characters cry how easy is Sp, it is not. It is my opinion but every one shoud be abel to do the end game with c0 f2p option characters. TOA is more skill base I need to doge and my biggest enemi in both game is conection errors. But in wuwa I just need to start again one floor not 3, if my ping gets low. I'm more motivated to try again wuwa's end game that Sp. In genshi I am go one time and get what I get, but in wuwa I am willing to try and try. A lot of people in genshin give up in the abyss, and that speaks a lot. I dont think the end games are copid for each others, they are trying to shows of your characters power and add a reason to get a new one what we suppos to do in the end game? Picking flowers?
I think smack missed the fact that getting forte up and how fast a charachter get their forte is part of the difficulty
bruh this dude blames all the games he played for any skill issue instead of fixing his weak ass. And when you tried to call him out for it he blocks you 🤦♂
wait for real? is he really like that?
Yes he exactly like that.
Genshin didnt invent a mode where you battle through a set number of floors fighting a variety of enemies. Its a standard mode, its like saying WuWa invented the holigram boss. It is just a boss fight with variois difficulty levels you see in many games.
what I get from Smack video is:
- Genshin invented everything, it is what it is
- Smack and his chat probably doesn't know Perfect Dodge, Dodge Counter and Parry builds up Concerto energy
- Smack doesn't know how well Wuwa combat fits in TOA, e.g Concerto starting at zero encourages you to Parry and Dodge Counter, executing this well rewards you with Faster Concerto build up = Faster Rotations = Faster Clear times, Timer in TOA encourages you to execute these "Wuwa Combat Systems" well or decently
for those dented that will say- "TOA is only a Gear check or Limited Units check" then explain why there's a Danjin or Chixia main soloing all floors with 3 stars? in wuwa you can "Raw stat check" TOA if you don't want to "Get gud" but if you don't have "Raw stats" you have to "Get gud" in TOA
this is my comment on Smacks video, sorry for the copypasta
fr..& tbh i think that they implemented *TOA* from *Phantom Pane Cage* i.e a game mode in their previous game *PGR*
@@xsile._ i don't know who started this rumour but this most certainly isnt the case
For starters the time limit in Phantom pain cage is so large I didn't even know there was a time limit, you'll never run out of time.
And 2 theres no star system in phantom pain cage so even if you play like a complete moron you still get your rewards as long as you participate in the stage
@@Kuro-senseino in advance pain cage there is a point counter and a 5min time limit also only 5 turns a day,you may be a newbie because there is a ranking 1-3% highest reward etc like
@@Kuro-senseialso the endgame exists in every gacha spiral abyss is probably a copy of some other gacha 😂
@@VERGIL_A The 1-3% reward system does not affect the gachas currency you gain.
And the 5 min timer might as well be non existent cause every boss in advance pain cage can be cleared in under 20 seconds
Ultimate pain cage will take over a minute, 2 minutes at most
At this point Smack is just blaming the games he played for his skill issue. This is the same vibe as how he fumbled the recent Illusive realm reward claiming where he slack off for almost the entire month and failed to get all the rewards from Illusive 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Gacha Slack 😂
See Kuro is technically holding back the difficulty on ToA. Because if they wanted to. They could literally feed us to the wolves by introducing Tower of Babel-like endgame from PGR into WuWa. And make it impossible to finish completely.
Low revenue and they want lose more players?🤔🤔🤔
He got in the kitchen, tried to cook and totally burned himself
Already watched 3 minutes of the video and here's my opinion about this. Don't care about it and just ignore it, what I care the most is what I think of it and I think ToA is very fun ans very challenging, that's the point of opinion. Also, Yinlin's weapon is going out in the next 3 hours, to everyone pulling, I wish you luck👊
aha, the way gacha smack speaks, its like he thinks Genshin invented gaming.. hes one of those people. Thinks everything was invented by genshin and everyone copies it ?
Building up from 0 power is how you should expect to play.. You earn your way into your rotation (or button mash, whatever you do best :3 ). Like begining a race. I know Kuro lets us have our ults ready. But we shouldnt expect it.
And that's why he didn't notice bad gacha model came from Nexon or Nebmarble or Bandai Namco games too...
Why Gacha games are like this? They saw those two company making money and now they want the pie...
That's why low quality gacha start poping out nonstop.
I even said this is his video.
If anyone want to make gacha being bad? Call out the GREAT FATHER of bad gacha model...
Its not Hoyoverse...
So basically its "Fix the problem is not exist in the game" ahh momment
Gacha has this weird thing where just because you play one gacha, suddenly youre an authority on other gachas. Wuwa creators should make wuwa content. Genshin players should make genshin content. Thats all there should be. His take is 100% based on him playing genshin for so long....
Weird because I've been playing Genshin for 2 or 2 and a half years I can confidently says that game is dogshit, period. I've gotten sick of that game even just by having it installed and I'm VERY glad to have it gone in my phone. For Wuwa, honestly, as a day 1 player here, the first months of playing wuwa after it released was shit, very and I thought of quitting but I endure it. Then after 1.1, things are getting BETTER AND BETTER and around 1.2, I've completely in love with the game and decided to stick with it probably until I'm 40 (currently 19)
He doesn't like how Saintontas praises WuWa lol and shots miHoyo for their lack of good game so he is here to make a problem based on his former Genshin experience
I couldn't even finish the video the way he talks about ToA is he is taking a shot about Saint and the way he talks about that cutscenes and aome of his statement is highlighing wuwa is he is taking a shot against Ryuuku. 😂@@gwanetayla7683
Well it sounds like this is only a problem for former Genshin players. I tried to play Genshin this year and stopped after 10 minutes. I think Wuwa came out weeks later and I haven’t stopped playing since. So everything about Wuwa including TOA is new to me. I’m okay with improvements but it’s not a pressing matter to me. And I agree that Jianxin feels clunky af I stopped using her after getting the banner units.
This dude tried to cook but instead ram his face into the pan. His ego is doing him no favors.
Nah, Wuwa don't need to do what this man is asking them to do. Cuz 1 I played the game since day 1 and I noticed that ToA is hard if You just don't try to build multiple of your units + read the buffs given.
Stage 1 and 2 for both left and right tower is basically easy to clear up so You can use your one fine dps then 3 starting to get harder where eventually it is left with You need to build more units + this is where you start to use your better built units. Best part from what I noticed when my friend is playing Genshin's Spiral Abyss is that If the run is possible but You failed it, the least we start right away in that stage without having to go through multiple chambers like Spiral Abyss and now you need to do it from 1 again and again even if you just failed the 3rd one. Though ofc at the end once you get lots of build units then both game will result in the same way, You won't have any issue at all because You have "SPENT THE TIME" to build multiple units.
Oh BTW, the current ToA for both left and right tower is really challenging that I had to restart right tower stage 4 with Calcharo multiple times + the buff triggered when using skills so I have to use skill twice then ultimate then the 3rd time, it was so dumb but funny at the same time (nailed it after like 5 or more restart)
Did he just complaining about how ToA and Spiral Abyss is 'copy-paste' And later asking ToA to be implemented '100% power' like genshin?
But he'll be complaining if it's similar, but he wants it the same as genshin. 😵💫😵💫
Gacha doesn’t understand that Spiral Abyss is like wheels on all cars. They are all the same and copied on all games with the tower system. The devs are just sprinkling in some stuff to make them different. Wuwa just needs more end game modes cuz I like the baseline stat check but I do agree we need more end game to satisfy those who don’t like toa.
For me it's ok since opinions like this, if it reaches Kuro and they think it's a valid criticism they would improve on it, we have already seen Kuro since day 1 in WuWa to listen and act, so no I have no worries at all for CC's giving their opinions and criticisms, I actually welcome it beacause it just becomes a way for the game to get even better again and again
The only thing they need to do is be fair and Smack at times does some criticism on Hoyo games as well, I just need to hear him criticize Genshin for things like copying grappling hook and wall run, implementing it on Genshin which feels off wherein the worst part is Genshin took things that works so well in WuWa's system and sold it to their players in a form of limited characters and that only works 100% in a specific region. If he criticizes the "Yoink and twist" approach he should do it both ways
Nuh fam, he wants Kuro attention.
This guy gacha smack is an absolute manchild.
that's why u need to learn ur rotations with knowing how fast u can gain concerto and forte gauge up. thats the thrill of the challenge in playing ToA. u get rewarded by maximising your rotations be it sweaty or quick swap gameplay
In Gacha Smack video he doesn't even introduce how to fix it. He just said the system is bad...
Nah the system is just system. You can do anything with it.
What I would have done is state WuWa should introduce endless mobs killing mode to hit the highest score.
That's what good criticism is. You don't just say the problem but not try to solve it.
The game dev looking at Smack's video be like "What fixing?"
They won't fix it! Because they don't know!
Remind you that he has lots of 5*Characters but he can't get forte circuit in just a few sec.....oh why would we comment on his vid if he will block you anyway🤣🤣🤣
I think that giving an "objective" opinion should be done when you have more knowledge in this area of games; If you started in gatchas with genshin, that leaves you completely outside of an objective opinion.
WHAT HE WANTS IS PROBABLY FORTE THAT RESONANCE CIRCUIT THING GIVE IT A BUFF WHERE IT ONLY TAKE 2 HIT THEN FULL AGAIN 😂
SO THAT THE ROTATION IS WAY EASIER THAN THE CURRENT ROTATION
THIS MAKES HIM A LITTLE BIT LAZY NGL 😂
I'M A F2P I CAN CLEAR IT MAYBE MY ECHOES STATS IS WAY BETTER
STOPPED BEING LAZY 😂
If you don't have skill then blame on the game. LoL 😂
(I too cant get toa 30/30 but I'm not blaming it on game)
Jinshi would quite literally NUKE the whole tower if they let her start with full stack and full ult 😂, gacha smack actually smacking FACT
TOA is the phantom pain cage of wuwa
Gacha Smack doesn't understand the difference in the game mechanics of Genshin and wuwa. Triggering Intros and outros is core part of wuthering waves. Concerto, which is required to trigger them, is something that players have to build up. In Genshin, reactions are readily available to you from the first second. And he's saying ALL this when wuwa does give you access to the resonance liberation right from the start, same as Genshin. It sounds like "Little pup" is suffering from skill issue, nothing more.
Some people really missed the point here, smack said the mechanic of TOA don't work as much as Spiral Abyss, if you'd only see it as "one of the guys that think that genshin invented everything", then you really have a Pea Brain 😂. Smack literally complimented the gameplay and hologram mode of wuwa and yet y'all be acting he's just a "Hater", like y'all are no different then if you can't even be open minded for one
The community can't take criticism just like genshin community, this is why gacha games can't be in the same level as AAA games
you know... if your argument is true that its complement and every kurobot is pea brain and you're far open minded, present the evidence. put time mark and present is it sarcasm whatnot and present evidence everyone missing the point. no seriously, present it for others. the comment you write doesn't make it even better, this is just like sipsipstefan giving clown emoji while giving argument on twitter reply, everyone missing the context and everyone just stir the shit water until it goes brown
The truth is kuro fans are in a state that they game kurogames and wuŵa is perfect and dont deserve any cristisism , lets think anou it why itst doens work well with ToA guys ,.. its beacause a time limit challange doest not fit a gema that the Combat its no only abou doing fucking damage and you all need to stop thinking that it its good , put instead the prefer to attack or try to talkshit tio everyone that dont think the game is perfect
How about I as a kuro enjoyer say that his opinion on toa is bad though? Toa is a boring mode that can be criticized, but the fact he says it doesn't work and he says "It's not my pay grade," when he is asked for improvement. I think his points aren't worth engaging with then. I have to say his critiques are pretty bad, when HE HIMSELF says his suggestions are BAD for the balance of the game. When your point is "This doesn't work, because it doesn't give you 100% of your power." When he BOTH doesn't acknowledge that genshin is the EXACT same way with it's rotations and buffers and that concerto energy is built to create windows for your dps maximization. His points aren't really meaningful for improvement. I think TOA is interesting because I don't know what you can do to it, aside from nerfing some bosses hp, but I also think toa is REALLY easy once you understand the basics of the game. It's just boring.
I would love to hear actual suggestions for it to be improved. I just don't think Smack's perspective is a good critique at all.
what i got from his take is he want to make the ToA as easy as genshin that just DPS check sandbag that just brute force it without learning game mechanic,,,,
On first thought what is he talking about. But he does have a point there. Personally I don’t need every ability available from the start. Maybe we could could get ride of the countdown and instead make the enemies more dynamic so that they become more aggressive and stronger like in the illusive realm but with way more steps. Throw in some challenges like don’t get hit for the hardcore players, only clear with 4 stars, do some counter attacks just for fun and give a overview at the end like damage taken, preformed hits, dogges, counter attacks, clear time etc. that people can see how they improve. Possibly even an regional ranking based on there play skill that don’t factors in damage and clear time for people that want to compete.
It is important to keep in mind that most players are not hardcore players. For most people it is already hard enough, for a lot of people it is already too hard.
Ranking is fine, as long as it doesn't come with extra prizes.. otherwise you are just putting more pressure into 99% of players to make the 1% a little more happy.
@ LOL stop crying about it. Removing the time limit already removes a lot of pressure off casual players and makes it easier for them to get the rewards. Who cares when hardcore players can get a bit more credits and echo material with extra challenges and a ranking system.
They do need more of them after all because they spent way more time optimize there builds.
I’m not that good of a player myself, but a game needs to stay a challenge and if we loose the hardcore players that are more passionate about the game the game can’t stay relevant.
You also need to keep in mind that WuWa generally is designed to be more of an hardcore experience than a casual one. If you don’t like to have a challenge in your game maybe play more of an casual game.
@@darkangel999 Please, this game is enough of a challenge to most people... it doesn't need to become a ng+++++ souls game to "keep being fun".
What keeps the game alive are nice units, fun gameplay and some ok story. The vast majority of people don't get even close to 60% of the max damage they could do by playing perfectly.
Honestly, if you don't like a somewhat casual but fun game and really need a big challenge... maybe go play a more hardcore game.
@ Well the game becomes easier every patch and it unavoidable has to bekomme hard to count that. Sorry that I think lower the over all bar and adding optional additional challenges on top is a better way to handle things than stuffing more and more annoying bosses in the tower that have more HP and stall you out by flying around or go under ground like Genshin dose it.
GiggleSmack dumb.
Period.
So he said they copied Genshin end game and put their signature on it but is asking for kuro to give him 100% at the start like Genshin? WHAT DO YOU WANT? he sounds like a pregnant woman.
smack takes are getting worse n worse. he just keeps demanding every little nitpick just to stay relevant.
cant he do real content anymore?
I thnk there is skill expression in trying to build concetro and forte at the start of the Toa. And i think its intresing to have different rotations for one team to solve that problem
jinshi, xianliyao, general those are first 3 resonators i think of, and non of there resonance libarations are usefull without other resonators rotation, u stil need to press E on verina or shorekeeper, still need sup or supp DD to use their outro, or stack with coord atacks for jinshi to deal good dmg, those are only few examples, so no, its not "100% power to start of with" like he said
So just want wuwa to be a e + q the game 😂
Na, i played genshin for almost 3 years & it went to shit with dendro, if ur not nuking everything with a massive aoe hyperbloom than ur c.c’ing with kazuha, its to easy & boring, in wuwa u need to perfect dodge & parry to build concerto its much more satisfying imo. Tbh in genshin the abyss is basically a timed gauntlet mode that can be found in many games. “They put a lil paint on it here & there” lol
yeah right... like genshin breath of the waif not taking anything from any game lmao
(ohh i guess thats why genshin cant release in nintendo console)
for me genshin do make the path and i think the community also respect it
unless genshin want to be a nintendo, and saying no to fun for any community or any aspiring new game, who take inspiration from them
if smack think wuwa tower is a bit clunky and different, sure..... its not genshin man... chill out....
we know its a bit janky sometimes if we didnt know the mechanic deep enough and wuwa tower feels hard and sweaty than genshin
genshin main combat system is elemental reaction, wuwa main combat system is resource management / building......
I swear to god if he play WuWa on mobile then we can talk about rotation and time xD I'm playing WuWa mobile without controller and PC if the rotation is bad time will get you besides its a comp wise that's why its diff to spiral since you need intro and outro skill where can support a dps
Gacha Smack with another L take. At this point, i think he's just tired of the game and the community. Wouldn't be surprised if he quit altogether
He doesn't like Saintontas. "Let's trash talk WuWa"
He's not wrong TOA feels out of place and as someone who played tons of spiral abyss it feels more like a chore. It's definitely the weakest game mode and I sometimes forget to even do it.
lol am i being weird the point smack criticizes r the things that i like most.
My thoughts is he was only trying to copy tectone for being ash owl😂😂😂
Didn't smack have an S2 Verina? That actually makes her rotation so fast wven faster than sanhua tbh if you know how to play her.
Kuro does buff their characters. In PGR they added a new system called leap for old characters to make them viable.
This is really a non-issue, the critique is to a problem that's not really there, plus the comparison to genshin is not good.
To be honest I think everyone should start at half concerto energy in ToA.
Full concerto/forte from start just gonna create another characters balancing issue. Not all character have their forte made equal also not all char have same dps per rotation length. Char/team with longer setup but have bigger output gonna have huge advantage against others.
gacha chat is right, its pgr pain cage.
That's why Genshin Impact is the best open world gacha game, no game can end reign of genshin because all you want is already in Genshin
Yet another person who didn't finish the video. He was going to talk about Changli's case and how she would be a monster with forte and concerto ready from start, and how that would be unbalanced too
What he tries to say is: make ToA demand more usage of parry/intro/dodge counter like the Hologram fights do
People can solo it with Danjin or Chixia. No intro skills needed (yet it demands a lot of player skill and that's fine too)
I can 30/30 ToA without parrying a single boss attack. Why do we have Parrying system then? Makes thing easier but is not a must
It's a fair take from him but most people just heard 50% of the video and started calling him out for skill issue, without knowing Smack has no trouble going for a 30/30
I'm not stressing my self about ToA, if my team can't clear or get 3 stars so it's done for me. I know there's astrite in this but what I have to do if I skill issue or my character not well built
Bro is complaining about 5 seconds it took him to regen his concerto lmao
It's hard to argue or make a good conversation with someone so arrogant,I do agree there is point to be taken on smack view his way of presenting his opinion basically just trying to undermine wuwa accomplishment. Well hopefully everyone find peace and find middle point,move on dude.
self righteous gachasmack is someone with eccentric take and his represent his view quite harsh,but hopefully there is all to it. 🗿
I do not think this is an issue, just get better?
Its an L take tbh and mostly just a skill issue in ToA lmao
Edit: my man Smack really needs to stop addressing non-existant problems I get you wanna talk about your issues with the game but ever since that illusive relam store incident and his arguement was "I dont have time cause I touch grass". His takes been going downhill since then
6 min in and this may be the worst take ive heard in a bit. Not a gacha smack fan whatsoever but ive never had an issue with him either but JC this is some dumbass nonsense
ToA, those who beat it will complain, and those who didn’t beat it will complain too, and then those who complain no matter what! 😂 complain for too easy, too simple, or complain for too hard, too complicated. 🤷♂️
Me? As a f2p, only 3 characters that I didn’t have and yet I can’t beat ToA, couldn’t clear it, and too lazy to learn the whole rotation or how team, concerto energy and forte works 🤷♂️. But never crossed my mind to complain about it after I realized that I’m sucks at playing the game.
And if there’s anything to complain about Wuwa, that would be the lack of things to do. Between this v1.4 to the next v2.0 update, we are basically just leave hanging there for weeks and there’s nothing left to do.
If you guys really wanted the game to be fun, the so called endgame content like ToA shouldn’t be the thing, at all. Because that make the entire game, the entire Wuwa existence is a working towards ToA, which that is bad.( so basically get a new character, max he/she out and clear ToA with ease 🤷♂️) no point of doing anything at all!
This game should bring back/in some traditional mmorpg aspect/elements so that us players can have something to do.
Me too lmao. My max is 27 stars and too lazy to care for remaining 3 stars. Additional content like survival tower would be so welcome though.
@@neegamind😅 well! I’m doing way worse, I can only get 21* total from the both ends, the middle one, either I can’t even beat it or if I do, I can only beat the boss on the last second 😅 that’s how bad I am playing this game( all because I’m too lazy to learn that rotation, concerto, forte etc). I mean I got all the popular characters ( only Jiyan, Zhezhi and Verina that I don’t have the luck for). Yet I can’t clear ToA, and no even bother to! 😂
I am in the middle. I can sometimes clear some ToA on reset with ease and feel like it was a good run, and on some resets, I feel like shxted on how hard it gets, especially the double elements. I don't see their problem, nor do i have any compression of their nonsense. I am eating good. This is "their own problem." Some people's opinions are so unreasonable and straight up cause a problem for others and try to make the game look bad.
@ I felt like sometimes these content creators just wanted to amplify their own opinion “problem”without giving out much of good in return or criticism for good! 🤷♂️. I mean, there are people who can clear ToA with a single freaking character where I can’t do it with 3 😅. I’ve seen people clear ToA with just Danjin, or Jinhsi or Changli or other 5 star characters alone w/in time ( and of course I don’t think that they are f2p like me), so I won’t complain or whine or bother much that I cannot clear 🤷♂️ and not to mention that I know I’m sucks at playing this game because I thought that as long as I get the character(s) and max out the levels, pop in the each set and boom I clear everything. Turn out, it isn’t that! 🤷♂️
@@ChaseYu If you have 3 dps built as you said lvl them up and my concerns would be if you could get their skill talent tree (the important ones that helps the characters deal damage) to be maxed out there is a huge increase at lvl 10 skill talent.
With that said you should also just use your best or strongest character last stages dont stress about tower buffs it will limit you
Not sorry man, wuwa's endgame is not for crybabies
Get out and if you come back, do it in silence
I'm confused because gacha smack hatessss genshin, but what I will say is that wuwa is lacking in the combat department. Once you get a good rotation every team feels the same. The characters have elements for on reason other than preventing you from only using certain one. The combat as is is a great a foundation but it gets boring after a while.
At this rate just enjoy the game u like
Why is gachasmack acting out now. The timing is very sus..
Genshin Impact is the best with elemental reactions to enjoy and make more fun you can crowd control your enemy make fun of them that's the best thing in Genshin Impact
spiral abyss sucked for me because of the enemies they were not fun to fight because they were designed to literally waste your time and every patch they don't change the enemies design or attack pattern they just increase the HP to annoy you
Let’s be honest the game is good yes It copy’s some aspects of genshin impact but better in some ways. but realistically almost all game copy of one another like call of duty by and battlefield, something are different but the outcome is different. Try to make something new is not sow easy as you think when it comes to game development that goes for writing as well as art, an idea I always inspired but not fully copied. But people with experience will always nitpick in the end because something that you like in the other game is no in the one you like the most or something that is small that you dislike in the game.
ToA is 80% gear check, 20% skill check.
ToA bosses are easier than holograms such as crownless 6, and they are also quite spongy (especially lvl 100 Feilian).
Now if we go compare "hardcore" ToA to old-gen MH games, we will see a huge difference in quality cuz MH's handles difficulty much better and allows you to do all sorts of funny sh it in there😆
I was just about to comment that ToA is 80% stats and 20% skill lmao
it really should be the opposite though.
@SozoSouji
Yea, ToA is for the most part a dps check. If you lack the dmg, no amount of skill will make up for that because there is a timer which reminds you that if you don't clear it within 2 minutes, you won't achieve 3 stars.
It is funny.
That video is too nitpicky but I get the point. Top comments here are from sweaty nerds overemphasizing "skill?" As if you are special for being good at the game lol. It's not fun if you're a bad/casual/shafted by rng player, and can't get full clears. Fun >> Skill imo, and losing out on astrites after the reset hurts your soul (from experience). Simplest solution I can think of to keep everyone happy is removing reset tower's fomo astrites (or distributed as participation rewards), and let the nerds and whales compete with each other via ranks and leaderboards, maybe give farmable mats as rewards instead? I say this as a full clearing sweaty nerd myself.
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Can you talk about the cbt 1 story , I was devastated when i saw it , it was great better than isekai wafus in the offical rlease .
Nah he does have point , having a time limit spiral abyss inspired mode its just dont work in a game that is not just about doing damage u know ? Wtf is this like ... wuwa is not about mashing buttons so why incentive player to clear something as fast as possibly , it just dont ads up with the game shinies and beauty about the combat , those kurobots are just insane to thing this is a good thing and any critisism for the game is invalidade , time limits challanges should and have to be a thing that exists here and there and not a "challange main mode" , it just make u waste more time farming shit to min max or even using monry to get "meta" caracter that u can lose the 50/50 and maybe end up using more money to end it up doing more damage to clear it faster and thats it
I like better TOA than Sp. Beating up 3 floor with one team and I need to start from the floore one if I dont have an element or it would be better with someone else and if miss one star at the last floor I need to do from the start is just annoying. Also the enemis are separeted in more little phases. And the tower defenz side is just hell without a good gruper. Like I dont wanted Kazuha but I didnt get Sucrose just after I already give up and get and build Kazuha. And he is great but I wanted just the characters that I like. And I will say Sp is not really skill base, it is about how luck you get with the artifacts and character builds. And you dont even need that if you buy out cons and sig weapons. I hate when people with c6 characters cry how easy is Sp, it is not. It is my opinion but every one shoud be abel to do the end game with c0 f2p option characters. TOA is more skill base I need to doge and my biggest enemi in both game is conection errors. But in wuwa I just need to start again one floor not 3, if my ping gets low.
I'm more motivated to try again wuwa's end game that Sp. In genshi I am go one time and get what I get, but in wuwa I am willing to try and try.
A lot of people in genshin give up in the abyss, and that speaks a lot.
I dont think the end games are copid for each others, they are trying to shows of your characters power and add a reason to get a new one what we suppos to do in the end game? Picking flowers?
i dont even have verina but i 30/30 it so easy lol
Gacha Smack is Dumb Dumb the reason i don't watch his vids he has no clue what his talking
Toa is trash sorry not sorry I finished it but it takes a lot of my time I like the buff system and swiping
He does have a point tho
never been an issue regarding forte and intro 🙄
he's just bad
saint is cooked by smack so hard
I cant believe his blaming the game just because of his skill issue
"If people can walk, talk, run, etc. . . Is it illegal if i do the same?"
Off topic, Do you also have your own Discord Server, GambaAJ? Send links for invitess