Vatican II - Christopher Ferrara
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- Speaking at the Argument of the Month Club www.aotmclub.com/ Christopher Ferrara speaks about his book "The Great Facade: Vatican II and the Regime of Novelty in the Roman Catholic Church" co-authored by Dr Thomas Woods www.amazon.com/... & takes Q&As after his presentation.
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Christopher Ferrara is brilliant...love his book The Great Facade. Love him and his books almost as much as John Salza and John Salza's books. Read them both!!!! You will be glad you did!
I loved it when he called it "The spirit of Woodstock" that entered into the church,,,that is so funny because its so true lol more like "Wormwood" same difference
You should listen, because the Council was pretty close to being as stupid as the spirit of the Council.
@@MyImmaculateQueen Because the spirit of Woodstock is profoundly evil . Got it?
Great presentation. Find it very convincing.
That was great, on the part of Christopher A. Ferrara! Said with great precision and insight; St Thomas Aquinas would have wholly approved, indeed ALL the Saints!
1) 21:40 "What exactly did V2 teach?" "Nothing," is the technically correct answer. "Anything," is the practical reality as personified in the Age of Bergolio. The distinction is the difference between heaven and hell.
2) It's not [primarily] about the Mass... it's about Truth. And, while Truth, or lack of Truth, shows up in heteropraxis in the Montini's new mass, it primarily shows up in the ambiguity of the V2 documents which then allows them to mean Anything!
This guy is good. I was born in 1955 and I remember the mass before Vatican 2. It was the HOLY Mass. It was Holy. I long for the days when Holiness was the norm of christian faith in belief and practice.
About half of my family members left the church after Vatican II. They were confused about the changes. They did not receive any guidance or support. Very sad.
Simply put
When the focus was changed from God to the individual
Was what produced LGBT liberalism pro choice etc
Right. Self-worship kills, both life and the soul.
Happy to say I’m one of the few sitting in the pews that can quote the Scriptures. Rev 1:3 Blessed is he the readeth. Thank you, Lord
So nobody had a Missal? After attending mass for say 5 or 10 years, you know the Latin anyway.
God bless you all and thank you for this video. I love the Traditional Mass. It changed my life. The Angels have me on a crusade. I was guided to say this prayer and it was the best thing I did. They brought me right to the Latin Rite Mass. If you need your faith strengthened, say this prayer and mean it. "Jesus, with my free will I reject Satan, The Devil, Lucifer and all fallen Angels, Demons and all evil spirits. Jesus, with my free will I want you and your Angels, Holy Angels of God, the ones known as Guardian Angels to interact, intervene, guide, protect me from evil spirits and love me." This prayer is copyrighted by God and his Angels so please share. If this helps you, give all thanks and praise to Our Lord Jesus!!!
Daniel Pan Thank you for replying. Short answer, The Angels and I wrote it, mostly the Angels. Longer answer, before the prayer, I had an idea to pray for discernment. I didn’t realize at the time I was praying for discerning or discernment of spirits. I was led to a spiritual site and found information on praying to Angels and with our free will asking them to intervene and interact in our lives. Something told me to pray to Jesus and reject evil first. The first prayer was smaller and then something told me to add the love me part and say it again. Then crazy signs and miracles started happening and are still happening. The Angels made themselves known to me and I found out that the something was the Angels charged to me by our Lord Jesus. They wanted and still want me to pray the rosary and led my Mother and I to the traditional mass. I have been pasting the prayer on you tube to evangelize and I am working on a you tube video. I found out there are a lot of satanist on you tube. They do not like what I am doing. God bless you and anyone who reads this.
Daniel Pan My personal opinion, nothing could ever replace the Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory be, Hail Holy Queen, Fatima Prayer, etc. I believe this prayer is one of many ways to ask our Lord Jesus and his ministering spirits for help and in my experience I was helped, really helped. My Mother, Sister and friends who have said this prayer are being helped as well. I only needed to say the final prayer once but I still need to say the Rosary everyday and I was led to meditation with praying as well. I am not in any position or authority to even comment on it being said in mass. We stopped going to the Modern Mass at the church we are suppose to go to because they didn’t even mention Our Blessed Mother on Mothers Day and we knew something wasn’t right with that church. That’s why we looked up and found out about the Traditional Mass. I have been just using the prayer to evangelize on TH-cam and I am being guided to not tell anyone what they should believe but share my experiences on how Our Lord Jesus and his Angels helped and saved me. I hoped this answers your question and God bless you.
Daniel Pan I apologize for misunderstanding your question and thank you for your patients. My family, friends and I have only needed to say it one time and that is it with the intent of it being for life. I don’t say it everyday. I just say the rosary and the other prayers everyday for others and that love and help comes back to me, at least that is what I have learned. From the time I said the prayer the one time, the Angels started giving me signs. At first I didn’t believe them but when they keep happening, I couldn’t deny them and that was only the beginning. Your question brought something important to my attention that it is not clear about how many times or when to say it. Thank you for that. I may need to add something to the prayer to make it more clear or explain it better in my posts. Thank you for your replies. God Bless you.
I also feel the path back to truth, sanity and God is through adapting the Traditional catholic teaching. Vatican 2 did a lot of damage.
What about the elephant in the room? Meaning the so called "Pope Francis".... What do we do with him?
When I was in the seminary in Jamaica, a priest, just before offering morning Mass, used to read times of new York and Jamaican gleaner -- wearing the vestments.
My thoughts and belief's completely.
Francis the heretic has declared it a sin to "proselytize" those of other religions. He has an interpretation of VII that is heretical.
Well, Vatican II is manifestly heretical
@@slovensko7796 Not all of it. And it does not serve the traditional cause, which I support, to appear mindless before liberals by making such a rash blanket statement. It's counterproductive to converting middle of the road Catholics.
17:16: This “Sister Lucia“ has been proven to be a fake. Another fact that undermines the whole argument.
Mr. Ferrara knows where the Bible came from...inspired by God inerrantly to human writers. Assembled by Catholic Church in 4th Cent. This canon has been used by RCC since then. RCC will never abandon this Bible. BTW proddies don't have bible since that ripped BKS out. Only 1 bible!!!
They forbid the traditional teaching of the Church in the conciliar seminaries...so don’t tell me that they are not disallowing things. Moreover Bishop Lefebvre was prohibited to teach it in his seminaries, he was strip of the right to say mass, and was excommunicated because he was not allowed to consecrate bishops and SSP cannot say a word against the conciliar Church and denounce something like Amoris Laetitia and must obey their bishop in con celebration in Novosibirsk order mass when they don’t want to. So I don’t think we are living in the same reality. Now Pope Francis is Porto Ted to come out with forcing cardinals, bishops, priest etc to make an oath to him??? There we go??
What would he say today in 2020, with Bergolio.
thats great problem there is no traditional latin mass in johannesburg south africa
Assissi-hearing it described is horrifying . but watch some video (a orthodox group has a very long one). It looks like a vision of hell. John Paul 2 has been canonized...I don't ask his intercession because of ugliness of assissi
Even St Peter made mistakes: the most horrific being the denial of knowing Christ! John Paul II was validly and licitly elected Supreme Pontiff and so was his successor, Benedict XVI. As Ferrara acknowledges, the worst post-conciliar Pontiff was Paul VI for approving Gaudium et Spes and the Novus Ordo Mass of 1970! BUT if you study his writings, he would start writing you can tell in a liberal direction, (See his "Credo") but then the Holy Spirit stopped him and it would come out without being heretical. So he was Pope, but a liberal one and a sort of "Hamlet" of Popes, which caused alot of problems!
As I understand, the 2nd Vatican Council was called (in the figurative language that was then employed) "to open the windows and let fresh air in to the Church." I wonder what was meant by that.
I also wonder what specific problems were seen in the pre-conciliar Church, what the Council was expected to do about them, what the Council actually did do about them, and what success those measures may have actually had.
In other words, was the Council called to respond to specific needs? Did it confine itself to addressing those needs? If not, why not?
I also wonder if any proper studies have been undertaken to assess any detrimental effects that may have resulted from the Council.
For instance, I have painfully noticed that, compared to the '50s when I grew up, churches now have a paucity of children. Is this in any way a result of the Council?
VII was a disaster. It was a capitulation to the spirit of the age especially modernism, the idea that truth, rather than the reflection of the unchanging mind of God, changes with popular culture. The only thread of legitimacy was motivated by a desire by some to bring about more clarity to Church doctrine to the modern world given how Christian witness so clearly failed in the modern world with the reality of WWII. But instead of clarity, it created confusion because of all the figures in the Church, high and low, who were more interested in not being embarrassed having to defend the faith at cocktail parties than carrying their crosses and following Christ.
@@MrAquinas1 think that's it in a nutshell: more embarrassed at a cocktail party having to defend the Faith than carrying their crosses and following Christ. Anything but the cross, and the Nexus with modern times is the modern life of ease, comfort and prosperity. God knows we need chastisement to learn again to love the cross and follow Him.
I think new emphasis of God's love for us [sometimes disordered overemphasis] was a V2 phenomenon. ??? Other than that, I remember everything falling apart as described.
It's May 2024....😂😢😢Imagine what'd he say now!!!!!
anyone can't see the importance of what is being expressed here google a few liturgical abuses they abound no respect at all in the so called mass
I love that analogy, of it being the " Woodstock that entered the Church," I've also heard it said to be " The smoke of Satan that entered into the Church," and now we have what has been referred to as the"Psychotic Synod's," and Francis aka " FrankenPope," loves Synod's and having a Synodal Church. We've gone from Conciliar to Synodal.
I can't stand that word Dialogue, I get tired of hearing it, Frankly. It has no place in the Tradition of the Church, it's all part of the new Church that just wants to Dialogue about everything, and nothing is Dogmatic, because they say,"Let's Dialogue about it, and compromise to change it," and so is the sign of the times, ridiculous!!
God Bless.
I was initially brought up with the Latin Mass until I was 17, then they brought in the NO which took the soul out of the beauty of Catholism - I left after that and did not return until many years later and I still find the Mass bland and soulless! They keep changing the responses and liturgy over the years it is hard to keep up. Latin never changes it is more beautiful as is the Traditional Mass. So many have fallen away, the Churches are empty and closing down; no more alter boys to go forward and become Priests - The Eucharist particals falling on the floor and been tread on by all and sundry - NO more Communion on the tongue but stuck into unconsecrated hands for anyone to stick in their pocket and use it for satanic purposes - V2 has been a big flop in my book and has only succeeded in dragging the Catholic Church down on it's knees and turning it into a M A S O N I C L O D G E; unfit for its original purpose - TO WORSHIP AND COMMUNE WITH OUR BELOVED SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!!!
Does anyone know who he gets questioned by towards the end during the q and a session?
The trend towards novelty, and socialist style thought, was not necessarily confined only to the Catholic Church! Every major
denomination was likewise affected, and remains so to a large extent! I say this as a Christian myself who has more than a
superficial understanding and knowledge of the art of propaganda! Christians must(Acts Of The Apostles,17:10-12; Epistle 2
Of Peter,2:1-3; Epistle 2 Of Paul To Timothy,3:1-9 ; read these)be equipped to smell a rat!!
Agreed. The errors of Russia still haunt the Earth, even today we continue to struggle against Leftism and its glorification of useless, faithless people.
Dialogue -give strangers Sacred Heart card, 7 Sorrows of Mary or Rosary.65% take it. And if you get invite to proddies church then go and put out these there
Is the goal 15 decades a day..... I have been doing 5 decades a day.
These questions have not aged well
just as there is danger in"interpreting" bible on our own....same ERROR has happened in "interpreting" council documents on our own.
You guys really didn't listen to his presentation, did you?
There's as much, if not more, danger in letting councils and popes interpret the Bible for you. But letting councils and popes interpret councils and popes for you.....lol...you'd have to be insane to do that.
#catholism is the truth.. Thanks Video Sancto
the triduent mass the mass and the new mass there is no difference in order of the mass. the order of old mass and new mass is the same.
Gary Dreher
ehh sorry I disagree.....there is huge differences in the order ....one example is that in the N.O. mass only one gospel is read while at the TLM it's two.
32:59
Martin Luther on one end and Christopher Ferrara on the other, Protestantism on the spectrum of rebellion.
Yeah, not so much. Luther founded a church, jettisoned theology and traditions of the church. Ferrara has criticized a liberal interpretation of Vatican II. I don';t see your "spectrum of rebellion" in this at all.
I don't think you really understood his argument if you consider him in rebellion against the Church.
RemnantWatch: You don't know what you're talking about. Lefevbre's criticisms were the same as Ferrara. The documents of VII, though not quite heretical, except for the anti-Christian utopianism of Gaudium et Spes, were a pointless waste of time at best; at worst, it laid the groundwork for a denial of the immutability of truth, which is essentially synonymous with atheism. To believe in the evolution or the perfectibility of the human condition is also a form of heresy and a form of atheism.
Lol. The end is hilarious. "The Orthodox are still not ready to submit to the pope." Well, Ferrara, neither are you!!!! Obviously the Orthodox have been right all along on rejecting the papacy! Hasn't Francis proven this???? Of course!
Not at all. Francis has simply shown that ultramontanism can lead to disaster, just as the denial of the papacy can lead to disaster. Look no further than the Orthodox and the Protestants for ample evidence of that.
Daniel Pan
Why are you a Baptist baptism-rejecter? Its interesting that the Baptists claim to beleive in the Nicene creed which at the end says "I acknowledge one baptism FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS" (I guess because they've not actually read it)...but if you ever point out Acts 2:38 to them in the course of trying to convince them that baptism is actually essential to salvation contrary to their doctrine, they will tell you point blank "baptism is NOT for the remission of sins" according to their doctrine. Nevertheless, despite whatever respect we owe to the Orthodox for preserving the NT in Greek, they don't follow it much more than the Baptists, except on believing that baptism is essential. But they baptized infants contrary to scripture, and baptize with 3 immersions rather than 1 as if baptism (in its symbolic content which is NOT all there is to baptism) is a symbol of the Trinity rather than of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection as Paul says in Romans 6, or as if the Trinity is divided and 3 separate gods, for if the Trinity is one God then one immersion into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit suffices, but if the Trinity is 3 gods then you need 3 immersions so each god gets his own, and this is a major error of the Orthodox. So although the Orthodox preserved the NT text, only the Church of Christ actually follows scripture, and the Baptists and Orthodox and Roman Catholics are all very guilty of novelty.
Where in the Bible it says, that baptism is one immersion only? The Bible doesn't seem to say anything about it. This is one example where one needs to go to the tradition of the Church to find the answer. The Church Fathers seem to be clear, that early Christians baptized either with triple immersion or triple pouring or triple sprinkling. The arians baptized with one immersion although for example Aquinas later said, that one immersion is a valid baptism. Triple immersion or triple pouring or triple sprinkling is still the preferred form.
To "Leonardo's truth." On the contrary, this recording is only during the Papacy of Benedict XVI. But he resigned in a problematic manner, both in the externals of fear and pressure forced upon him, and in the internals of a modernistic notion of a duopoly of the Vicar of Christ. He said he did not resign the "munus petrinus" of the "contemplative" side of Peter; THAT is not possible in 2012 years of Catholic doctrine. Therefore he resigned in manifest error. Add to this a problematic council that allegedly elected Bergoglio: we now know of the St Gallen plot to put Bergoglio in the Chair of Peter, which contradicts canon law (see: Universi Domenici Gregis, which states that 'any plot to put a designated person in the Chair of Peter shall be null & void, & the plotters & his designate excommunicated 'latae sententiae!'). Therefore Bergoglio, according to St John Paul II, is an antipope & all his teachings & acts rendered illicit! Now this argument is in advance of Christopher Ferrara's agreement. HOWEVER, IF Bergoglio IS an antipope, and Benedict XVI is the reigning Supreme Pontiff, then Christopher Ferrara's argument is NOT in contradiction, but ALL THE MORE essential in understanding WHAT HAS GONE WRONG with Holy Church that we are now being assaulted by the heresies & acts of Antipope Bergoglio! AND contrary to those who argue the Church has had no Pope since Pius XII (which Christ would never leave us so unattended!), we DO INDEED have a Pope and his name is Benedict XVI. Because he "did good in the sight of the Lord" and not because he was error-free like Sedevacantists WRONGLY teach, AGAIN, Benedict XVI is the true Pope, Supreme Pontiff, Vicar of Christ, and the Successor of St Peter!
I have read the New Testament. Vaticancatholic.com makes the same claim as you do about Benedict XVI, but they take his words completely out of the context (as is clear from the actual document from Vatican's website) and manipulate the words to fit their agenda. How can they lie like that? John Salza also argues in his book "True or False Pope", that heresy doesn't automatically depose pope from his office. Here in these audios is how he argues his case: veritasradionetwork.com/reconquest-episode-23-with-brother-andre-marie/
Schism is dangerous to salvation. Don't let the sedevacantists turn you away from your own salvation.
this didn't age well
We can’t profess Mariology and we’re Sola Scriptura, in so-called Protestantism. So, RCC adherents and reformers can’t unite, per se. And that’s okay. Doctrine divides, and that’s no surprise - the Bible says that is the case. Therefore, it is also no surprise that traditional, serious Catholics cannot have communion with Jorge Bergoglio.
Doctrinal differences and movements also means many camps and denominations within Catholicism and wider Christianity. For instance, I consider myself to be reformed, but I came out of the Charismatic Movement. Doctrine divides. And, in the same vein, trad Catholics will likely have to divide from the RCC. Schism isn’t the end of the world, falseness is.
During the Q&A period, Mr. Ferrara comes across as rather sarcastic and arrogant. No wonder the Catholic church is having so many problems.
During the Q & A, the questioner was rude and insulting. I found Mr. Ferrara's answers to be both intelligent and patient.
I think they were having fun and I enjoyed both of them Ferrara bested him on each great show, I learned a lot
Question, not show
Kevin: The way your closed mind perceives luminescence.
Is it just me or do I detect an air of pride and snobbery from SSPX schismatics? All I read is arrogance and ridicule.
Oh! Blame the modernists who broke away from the traditional church. The new mass is a chaos.
You clearly believe what you PREFER to believe. The late Frs. Malachi Martin, Fr. Gregory Hesse, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Archbishop Lefebvre and more all PROVED with the evidence of Holy Scripture, Dogma, Doctrine, and Sacred Tradition that it was the Modernist heretics that infested the Church with John XXIII, who are in reality and effect, schismatic. The poisonous fruits of Vatican II are the following that only a willfully blind and ignorant nominal Catholic REFUSES to see are: 50,000 priests left the priesthood as did thousand of nuns, Catholic schools closed as did parishes over the decades, an exponential rise in annulments, infestation of sodomites into the clergy, financial malfeasance and innumerable laity who either fled in pursuit of authentic Catholicism, went to heretical Protestant sects or simply just left. You have no authority at all and refer to your personal response to one speaker as you make an accusation that you cannot support.
Born in 1964. Never new the old mass. Happy to hear everything in my language. Happy to having read the whole bible after three years of mass. Joyful to be able to read all, learn all and get closer to God in My language. Think the sole change of Latin to other languages did the so dearly seekedupon evangelization. Sad about all the relaxation of the Catholics and the clergy, that took many to lukewarm the faithful. Very sad that maybe V2 was used as an excuse for so many liturgical abuses. I guess the Holly Spirit illuminated for V2 taking in account all the modernism, science, progress and tec inventions, we the people of God needed to have the truth more "handy", for God there are no maybes, but I say maybe many many more would have been lost to the faith.
Actually you aren’t really reading the whole Bible in the 3- year cycle. There are many many crucial verses conveniently left out. Read the Bible on your own time. The Church chose the readings to go along with the various festivals etc.
You are ignorant and clueless, like all the many Lukewarm katholics who think like you because you've never deepened your understanding of the treasure of the perennial faith. You don't even know what the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the Catholic Church is! That's why you'd write something this ignorant. God help you to truly know and grow in your faith one day.
You are ignorant and clueless, like all the many Lukewarm katholics who think like you because you've never deepened your understanding of the treasure of the perennial faith. You don't even know what the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium of the Catholic Church is! That's why you'd write something this ignorant. God help you to truly know and grow in your faith one day.
@@JuanDiegoUlate You are insulting me. I'm not ignorant neither lukewarm. I'm just pointing out what I see of good and bad of V2. There is good in it too. Have more charity and less self pride in your comments.
@@eb4203 Yea I guess , but mainly read it. Have you read and paid attention to every versicle?
2:41 :D
✝️ NOT SO FAST . . .
YOU CAN NOT FIND
THE TRADITIONAL HOLY LATIN MASS
LEADING TO “MISSING” HOLY DAYS OF OBLIGATION
🔥 DEMONIC 🔥CHANGE TO THE 7 SACRAMENTS
🔥 DEMONIC 🔥ONE WORLD RELIGION
LEADING SOULS TO
🔥 PERDITION 🔥
SEDE VACANTE SINCE 1958.
Caius Marius nobody says sedes were bright. Protestant since 1958 that translated into
What a total waste of time and energy it is to engage these people...
They don't genuinely want to understand or come to the truth: all they want is to give the impression of having won an argument!
No matter how many times you beat them down with the truth, they still come at you - and, in the end, claim victory!
ZERO self-awareness...
More apostate lies!
I don't think apostate means what you seem to think it means. More reading and less name calling might help.