Good day everyone and of course JSY. Again, an amazing video, thank you so much! I have just bought the Belay kit as it seems the perfect compromise combining acceptable weight and easy solution to help other people struggling on a Via Ferrata (it could be my wife or a friend but also somebody I cross occasionally on a Via Ferrata). Concerning the idea that sometimes we go out over-equipped my opinion is that: first of all, I carry all the weight myself and never asked other people to do it for me, second, I go out by myself 90% of the times and I can only rely on what I have with me, third, I am over 50 years old the not necessary trained to the best, fourth, I try to push myself to my limits (carefully). So, JSY, I am with you all the way! Thank you again for your precious information.
As you, myself I'm at a place where I want to invest more in living and less in wasting time. As you say, there is no such thing as over-equipped. It is our money, our gear, we who carry that on. But, as you say, not necessarily because we go alone but because it is the smart thing to do, we should not skip on safety if we can afford the investment and make sure we give ourselves as much chance to not get into trouble and go through the experiences as they are easy just because we always been prepared to the degree of never something happening to us. I've sometimes go on the mountain with random groups. They on easy trails just left so unprepared that it took us three times the amount of time, many times ending up in the middle of the night on the mountain still making our way down to the cars. While nothing happened because it was not that wild and the groups large still, this is not an excuse. I many times seen groups lost and not prepared for the bad scenario. Recently a group that just got lost and kept going without realising the danger of the path they took. They were all together laughing and not understanding that one or two of them would've sprained their ankle none of them would've made it out of there (at most they could've split and leave behind the undead ones but in this case the walking group would've been small and exposed to wild life). I feel not enough educated and too much lived into the city.
Yes. You can. It is enough to lift the other loop (you have two loops) and the climber below will be lowered (by lifting the other loop you give slack practically). Of course, is not as easy as using an ATC or any other rappel device because the purpose of the plate is to auto block but if you want to lower someone, you can.
Thank you for this video. I am considering to buy this belay kit as well. In your opinion, which length version is more usefull? 15 meter for lower weight and size or 25 meter for more versatility?
I don't think you are getting smaller size. The pouch they provide with the belay kit is the same for both (I think). Weight wise? I added to mine 4 more carabiners (I have 5 in total). It is heavy when I clip it to the utility loops but then I forget about it (same with the backpack always too heavy). Now, your question is a tough one. Versatility vs weight. I prefer both. I would've never bought the 15m but I do see its efficiency. 15 should be enough for most cases on Via Ferrata as long as you don't use it to break someone on a zipline of 20m long 😂 25m on Via Ferrata becomes long. I see myself using the entire length only on extreme cases where I cannot ancor myself closer to the person in trouble which anyway makes the whole situation ify (a lot can happen on the 25m and you have to manage the rope in way different ways so that you can stay effective).
@@JetSetYourself thanks for the quick response. Up to now I've been using 8.5mm 30m rope & Reverso without a pouch and it isn't exactly comfortable. So I am looking for something with less hassle when securing someone for a longer ferrata part.
@lubomirmakky2283 the belay plate from the bekay kit will provide more comfort in handling when belaying up (it automatically blocks). Lowering people, not that fun but for sure not that hard. I think, if you find the kit at a good price then just buy the 15m (this if you want to move away from using the munter hitch and would like a new pouch or a pouch). If you want to spend the minimum because you are experienced and if you don't necessarily want the autoblocking feature probably is best to just buy only a shorter rope. Either way, more than 15m I think is too much anyway.
Thanks, this video is gold!
i bought this to secure my child, but was not sure how to use it correctly. thank you for this video!
Good day everyone and of course JSY. Again, an amazing video, thank you so much! I have just bought the Belay kit as it seems the perfect compromise combining acceptable weight and easy solution to help other people struggling on a Via Ferrata (it could be my wife or a friend but also somebody I cross occasionally on a Via Ferrata). Concerning the idea that sometimes we go out over-equipped my opinion is that: first of all, I carry all the weight myself and never asked other people to do it for me, second, I go out by myself 90% of the times and I can only rely on what I have with me, third, I am over 50 years old the not necessary trained to the best, fourth, I try to push myself to my limits (carefully). So, JSY, I am with you all the way! Thank you again for your precious information.
As you, myself I'm at a place where I want to invest more in living and less in wasting time. As you say, there is no such thing as over-equipped. It is our money, our gear, we who carry that on. But, as you say, not necessarily because we go alone but because it is the smart thing to do, we should not skip on safety if we can afford the investment and make sure we give ourselves as much chance to not get into trouble and go through the experiences as they are easy just because we always been prepared to the degree of never something happening to us.
I've sometimes go on the mountain with random groups. They on easy trails just left so unprepared that it took us three times the amount of time, many times ending up in the middle of the night on the mountain still making our way down to the cars. While nothing happened because it was not that wild and the groups large still, this is not an excuse. I many times seen groups lost and not prepared for the bad scenario. Recently a group that just got lost and kept going without realising the danger of the path they took. They were all together laughing and not understanding that one or two of them would've sprained their ankle none of them would've made it out of there (at most they could've split and leave behind the undead ones but in this case the walking group would've been small and exposed to wild life). I feel not enough educated and too much lived into the city.
Great tutorial with some excellent techniques
Best regards Simon 🤠👍🏔️
Thank you for this great video!
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Hi, thanks for the video. The metal plate cannot be used to rappelling the other person back down, right?
Yes. You can. It is enough to lift the other loop (you have two loops) and the climber below will be lowered (by lifting the other loop you give slack practically). Of course, is not as easy as using an ATC or any other rappel device because the purpose of the plate is to auto block but if you want to lower someone, you can.
@@JetSetYourself Good to know, thanks for the quick reply!
Thank you for this video. I am considering to buy this belay kit as well. In your opinion, which length version is more usefull? 15 meter for lower weight and size or 25 meter for more versatility?
I don't think you are getting smaller size. The pouch they provide with the belay kit is the same for both (I think). Weight wise? I added to mine 4 more carabiners (I have 5 in total). It is heavy when I clip it to the utility loops but then I forget about it (same with the backpack always too heavy). Now, your question is a tough one. Versatility vs weight. I prefer both. I would've never bought the 15m but I do see its efficiency. 15 should be enough for most cases on Via Ferrata as long as you don't use it to break someone on a zipline of 20m long 😂
25m on Via Ferrata becomes long. I see myself using the entire length only on extreme cases where I cannot ancor myself closer to the person in trouble which anyway makes the whole situation ify (a lot can happen on the 25m and you have to manage the rope in way different ways so that you can stay effective).
@@JetSetYourself thanks for the quick response. Up to now I've been using 8.5mm 30m rope & Reverso without a pouch and it isn't exactly comfortable. So I am looking for something with less hassle when securing someone for a longer ferrata part.
@lubomirmakky2283 the belay plate from the bekay kit will provide more comfort in handling when belaying up (it automatically blocks). Lowering people, not that fun but for sure not that hard. I think, if you find the kit at a good price then just buy the 15m (this if you want to move away from using the munter hitch and would like a new pouch or a pouch). If you want to spend the minimum because you are experienced and if you don't necessarily want the autoblocking feature probably is best to just buy only a shorter rope. Either way, more than 15m I think is too much anyway.
Hi, is the rope in the kit, a 9mm ?
I've checked. It appears 9mm. I forced the measure instrument on it, I cannot get an 8mm.
@@JetSetYourself Thank you for checking. I was wondering about it before I purchase or make my own kit.
you realy climb on your apartment wall ?🤣