i think this car with smaller wheels won't be as noisy and way more efficient, but I doubt Porsche buyers care about efficiency. And honestly the RWD makes more sense for people who do not live up north. I really wonder how much more efficient the RWD is.
I’m owed by this new Taycan. Mine is the 2021 RWD with battery performance plus and I can only got 310km. Mine also have the 21” wheels which doesn’t help 😅
Macan is not the SUV equivalent to Taycan. Perhaps the Cayenne EV will be? But laws of physics still apply. Personally I like ease of access of a SUV and the view out.
The only road trips I do is going skiing in winter and theres always at least one person with me, but when I go on vacation theres 4 people and we usually go further (800-1000km). Really curious what the range is with 4 adults and suitcases in minus weather.
In the beginning you mentioned the A6 Etron launch? Is there a date when this will happen? Or do you know when we can expect the the first driving impressions? I’m really looking forward to this one! Anyway, really nice range test, but I’m a bit disappointed that the taycan wasn’t that much better (from an efficiency point of view) than a Q6 Etron
Few days ago i made a testdrive in a Macan and a two year old Taycan RWD. I agree with you, the Taycan feels much more special and I prefer it over the very good Macan. There was only one huge negative point of the Taycan, namely the engine/gearbox noice. I was really negatively surprised by this sound. My current BMW I4 is quiet. Are there more people with this experience? For now this noise is a dealbreaker for me.
@@tomkaidl test it first... it's not just the steering feel, it's how the whole car feels. Suspension, body, steering, brakes, throttle, etc... it is just an unmatched experience!
Depreciation is high, but not higher than in any other luxury sedan such as Mercedes S - class, BMW 7 series or Audi A 8. 30 % after 1 Year and 50 % after 2 years.
On what basis do you say this? Recent studies show that much cheaper EVs with "worse" battery chemistry have as much as 80-85% remaining capacity after only DC fast charging over 200 000km. A lot of the cost of Taycan is in the "quality" of the battery. Furthermore, at 800V charging at a C-rating of 3 is the same as a C-rating of 1,5 at 400V. In other words, charging 320kW with a 105kWh (gross) battery is equal to charging at 160kW with the same size battery at 150V. Charging speed reduced dramatically at 80%, to keep the battery safe and healthy. I'd recommend to read up on batteries and how they work :)
I have a 2020 Taycan 4S Performance Battery+ with 143,000 km (89k miles) with 62% of my charging with DC fast chargers. I’m still able to charge at a peak of 163 kW and the car is at 90% battery state of health according to an OBD scan. I still get about 250 miles of range at 75 to 80 miles an hour on a flat road with reasonable weather. I run 20” wheels. I completely agree with Kris, I have not found another car that I would rather drive.
@@Astke efficiency usually trumps charging speed. You add more miles in same time. Lucid and Tesla are close to 5 miles per KW. Taycan is like 3. Miles. They are compensating with bigger batteries instead of getting more efficient.
@@babnu They are getting more efficient. Do notice. The Taycan Kris is using has 265 in front, 305 in rear wide tyres.... That is insanely wide. For reference model S has 255 in front, 275 or 285 in rear. that alone can give quite a difference in efficiency. I remember Bjorn Nyland testing the old Taycan 4s with 19 inch wheels, 225 front, 275 back and it got very good efficiency. Also you are just saying things now. No way a Taycan 4s will get 3 miles per kwh in the same conditions where the Lucid or Tesla get 5... In CarWow's group range test a Taycan got 3.8 miles per kwh where a model 3 got 4.7 in same conditions. And that is a model 3. Way smaller and lighter with skinnier tyres. When we round them up it would be 4 vs 5 miles/kWh... not 3 vs 5....
400kms?! And you’re happy with that? I think I’ll skip EVs for while. Call me when it is 600kms range at 10 degrees Celsius below zero. Then we can talk. Oh I forgot…..and 15mins charging from 0 to 100%. About everywhere.
Already exists...but in China...Chery introduced a 6C Battery, which is able to load 400km in 5mins...as soon this is Standard in the Industry, I will buy an EV, too.
@@josefv-y8m not for production... making a battery charge for a video or for show at 6c isn't anything new. We've seen crazy speeds for a few years already. 400kW is also the current limit on an 800v architecture with the current CCS standard.
Stop making these specs sound good because they’re trash. Slightly better than shit is just more shit. These microwaves ain’t ready for a million reasons and won’t be a day before 2030. It’s sad to see manufacturers pressured to release these (being kind here…) poor microwaves.
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed. 97% of new cars sales last month in Norway were EVs. If it can work here, it can work anywhere, So stop being a crybaby.
Thank you Kris, love it
Thank you too!
i think this car with smaller wheels won't be as noisy and way more efficient, but I doubt Porsche buyers care about efficiency. And honestly the RWD makes more sense for people who do not live up north. I really wonder how much more efficient the RWD is.
1kWh less?
Smaller wheels make cars look alot uglier.
I’m owed by this new Taycan. Mine is the 2021 RWD with battery performance plus and I can only got 310km. Mine also have the 21” wheels which doesn’t help 😅
Macan is not the SUV equivalent to Taycan. Perhaps the Cayenne EV will be? But laws of physics still apply. Personally I like ease of access of a SUV and the view out.
The only road trips I do is going skiing in winter and theres always at least one person with me, but when I go on vacation theres 4 people and we usually go further (800-1000km). Really curious what the range is with 4 adults and suitcases in minus weather.
Love them. What a specs in this facelift.
As said noisy. I think my e-Expert is more quiet 😅
Need sound measuring device to truly measure it
Is there a way to see the table? Like in Google Sheets?
In the beginning you mentioned the A6 Etron launch? Is there a date when this will happen? Or do you know when we can expect the the first driving impressions? I’m really looking forward to this one!
Anyway, really nice range test, but I’m a bit disappointed that the taycan wasn’t that much better (from an efficiency point of view) than a Q6 Etron
Few days ago i made a testdrive in a Macan and a two year old Taycan RWD. I agree with you, the Taycan feels much more special and I prefer it over the very good Macan. There was only one huge negative point of the Taycan, namely the engine/gearbox noice. I was really negatively surprised by this sound. My current BMW I4 is quiet. Are there more people with this experience? For now this noise is a dealbreaker for me.
I also have i4 and I'm gonna test Taycan. But I expect, that apart of good steering feeling the noise will be distracting...
@@tomkaidl test it first... it's not just the steering feel, it's how the whole car feels. Suspension, body, steering, brakes, throttle, etc... it is just an unmatched experience!
@@KrisRifa I agree with your comment. For me only the noise is a dealbreker. I hope it was only that one Taycan
does it have active ride? that also reduce the range. 418km is perfectly adequate for daily drive, but i still prefer RWD + PBP and 20" wheels
The Q6 Etron Quattro is twice in your Excel at 6 and 8
Yes, it’s has been tested multiple times!
I just can't get over those wheels they could have picked a way better design.
Huh? Ur acting like their isn't 7 different wheel and color options available 😂😂 its not a tesla where u can only choose one or two rims bud.
I wonder what the depreciation is on your 2 year old Taycan
It's time to stop caring and love the Taycan 😊
50% I bet 😊
Depreciation is high, but not higher than in any other luxury sedan such as Mercedes S - class, BMW 7 series or Audi A 8. 30 % after 1 Year and 50 % after 2 years.
The battery does not last long with too many fast charging sessions. And the car is too expensive for this use of the battery.
On what basis do you say this? Recent studies show that much cheaper EVs with "worse" battery chemistry have as much as 80-85% remaining capacity after only DC fast charging over 200 000km. A lot of the cost of Taycan is in the "quality" of the battery. Furthermore, at 800V charging at a C-rating of 3 is the same as a C-rating of 1,5 at 400V. In other words, charging 320kW with a 105kWh (gross) battery is equal to charging at 160kW with the same size battery at 150V. Charging speed reduced dramatically at 80%, to keep the battery safe and healthy. I'd recommend to read up on batteries and how they work :)
Just random Porsche skeptic hating I see
I have a 2020 Taycan 4S Performance Battery+ with 143,000 km (89k miles) with 62% of my charging with DC fast chargers. I’m still able to charge at a peak of 163 kW and the car is at 90% battery state of health according to an OBD scan. I still get about 250 miles of range at 75 to 80 miles an hour on a flat road with reasonable weather. I run 20” wheels.
I completely agree with Kris, I have not found another car that I would rather drive.
@@ronb4633 163kW or 263kW?
@@ronb4633 hopefully you mean 263 kw?
How long will it take to switch from km to miles to show your US viewers ? Don't be another Bjõrn
Beautiful looking car inside and out. Needs lucid efficiency. Might save both brands!!
"might save both brands"?
Porche recalling 80000 Taycans worldwide. Battery problem. Fire risk. Lucid is better at that stuff. Porsche better in styling.
Lucid charging is nowhere close though @@babnu
@@Astke efficiency usually trumps charging speed. You add more miles in same time. Lucid and Tesla are close to 5 miles per KW. Taycan is like 3. Miles. They are compensating with bigger batteries instead of getting more efficient.
@@babnu They are getting more efficient. Do notice. The Taycan Kris is using has 265 in front, 305 in rear wide tyres.... That is insanely wide. For reference model S has 255 in front, 275 or 285 in rear. that alone can give quite a difference in efficiency.
I remember Bjorn Nyland testing the old Taycan 4s with 19 inch wheels, 225 front, 275 back and it got very good efficiency.
Also you are just saying things now. No way a Taycan 4s will get 3 miles per kwh in the same conditions where the Lucid or Tesla get 5... In CarWow's group range test a Taycan got 3.8 miles per kwh where a model 3 got 4.7 in same conditions. And that is a model 3. Way smaller and lighter with skinnier tyres. When we round them up it would be 4 vs 5 miles/kWh... not 3 vs 5....
400kms?! And you’re happy with that? I think I’ll skip EVs for while. Call me when it is 600kms range at 10 degrees Celsius below zero. Then we can talk. Oh I forgot…..and 15mins charging from 0 to 100%. About everywhere.
Lol, you’re in the below 1% if users. So don’t expect that call…. Ever 😅😅
Already exists...but in China...Chery introduced a 6C Battery, which is able to load 400km in 5mins...as soon this is Standard in the Industry, I will buy an EV, too.
@@josefv-y8m not for production... making a battery charge for a video or for show at 6c isn't anything new. We've seen crazy speeds for a few years already. 400kW is also the current limit on an 800v architecture with the current CCS standard.
Stop making these specs sound good because they’re trash. Slightly better than shit is just more shit.
These microwaves ain’t ready for a million reasons and won’t be a day before 2030. It’s sad to see manufacturers pressured to release these (being kind here…) poor microwaves.
Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed. 97% of new cars sales last month in Norway were EVs. If it can work here, it can work anywhere, So stop being a crybaby.
@@KrisRifaNorway has one of the best public EV infrastructure - so it’s not possible and convenient everywhere 😉
I didn’t think it was possible but they made a very ugly car even uglier with those wheels.