TMV's Top 10 Players For Shanghai
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"lot of debate between leaf and kingg" just forsakens in chat, im crying
Cries in yoru on split
I love how tmv intentionally ignores all the forsaken spam. Reading the angry comments is almost as entertaining as the video
yeah the forsaken d riders
its not like forsaken is bad or anything its just that there are other players better than him
@@devooko"there are other players better than him" yeah my guy you sound edgy right there commenting that.
He's definitely better than something, he deserves a spot.
@@devooko "forsaken d riders" this guy is the main caller and has the biggest agent pool of any pro in the VCT, his top 10 in the whole history of valorant
Placing asuna over f0rsakeN? Even asuna‘s mom wouldn’t do that bro
f0rsaken can't be a statistical beast when jinggg and smth are playing
He had better numbers when monyet was playing because he was also on duelist
Asuna had better numbers even tho f0rsaken might be the better player
@@king_thanos_2116 Numbers aren't everything.
@@king_thanos_2116 Lol you are so dumb, Asuna has been shit for so long and just started playing well recently.
@@king_thanos_2116 Asuna has been playing like a bot for years and just started playing well.
@@jordan-eh8niyeap, asuna still have to prove himself in international stages
The hiko in thumbnail trend continues! pog
this is why f0rsaken is the most underrated player in franchise
Chronicle hard clears forsaken
Most overrated you mean. Everyone these days is a hive mind drone repeating the same shit. Don't care if he plays 10 agents he isn't putting up the numbers to be called the goat. Chronicle is the better flex
@@Srikar-on9ib The irony of calling someone a drone for picking someone "overrated" then saying that Chronicle is better 😂
bro he wasnt even in the top 10 in pacific stage 1, why would he be top 10 from all over the globe?
@@kzoc1797crazy stats ≠ good player, f0rsaken is good because hes playing crazy good as supporter, his ability utilization is just too good
Not putting forsaken is criminal.
Davai has been performing better, just how it is
@@mateolopez6205yes, but forsaken is more consistent than Jinggg and Something. Those two are more cracked, but hit or miss in some matches.
@@BuddyReiner it’s TMV’s list bruh, pretty sure he watches and analyses more valorant than any of us so questioning him is crazy lol
why we cant questioning someone?
@@mateolopez6205
Idk how jinggg and something are above forsaken lol. If you replace something or jinggg, PRX is still a top team. (We already saw that when jinggg left and there was the masters they had to play without something)
I highly doubt PRX would win pacific without Forsaken
prx would still be a top team without forsaken. I do think he deserves to be on top 10 but acting like something and jinggg aren’t equally important is crazy. prx doing well without them doesn’t show that those 2 are bad, it shows that the other 4 are just that good.
That’s not the criteria for this list though, otherwise every IGL would be here as the most irreplaceable players. It’s based on the way they play individually, and forsaken is around the level of everyone from 6-10 individually, it’s not crazy that he misses the list
@@Hello-wo4sxforsaken the most versatile player in vct and it’s not close. He finds insane amount of value on every agent.
@@spiritolaminato654it’s pretty crazy when asuna on the list lmao
@@saibotshawdow5090 yeah I would put forsaken over asuna, but it’s really not that crazy, asuna been playing well
My GOAT (Goofiest of all time) robbing forsaken🗣️🗣️
as far as the last split goes mindfreak deserves it more than forsaken, im sorry but he didnt do great this split.
Hiko is my favorite top 10 player in Shanghai.
Hiko so good. The clutch god
not glazing forsaken, But picking asuna over him is legit criminal and is punishable by law
"its a good list" Asuna in the list instead of forsaken. If thats not APAC hate then what
meanwhile apac has the most players on the list. hell prx alone has as many players as each of the other regions.
“APAC hate” 😭
@@Hello-wo4sx APAC teams were 2 of the top 3 of the last major and since no SEN players make the list, of course APAC should contribute the most players to the list. asuna, however.........
There's literally more apac players in the list than any region... Idk what ur on brother
APAC hate bro what?? Apac has the most players on the list even though they have never won a single major
Jinggg and something above forsaken is nuts
mechanically thyere both just better
the Asuna pick was absolute cinema.
if prx go to top3/2 again or possibly the winner with forsaken fragging, this list is indeed gonna be trash and TMV gonna have to put forsaken in every polls of the best or he will lose credibility. Not bias to prx but thats how i see it overall.
I'm 100% biased prx W
Where Tenz??!!!??!?!?!?!!?!??!?!?!?!!??!? 0/10 list unsubscribed disliked reported
good riddance
He mentioned prior the video started that he will be only considering the players who made it to shanghai. Lol stop being salty for no reason.
@@riz3r202bro doesn’t know that sarcasm exists
tenz is mid
@@riz3r202how can you miss the obvious sarcasm?
Nah i atleast put forsaken somewhere there
The sheer value from his agent pool alone is enormous advantage.
The only downside is probably his cypher, the setup sometimes too simple and his playstyle doesnt match a sentinel that patiently holding down a site like benjyfishy. There is a reason why they stop using cypher on lotus
And for harbor he sometimes fckd up the cascade and ended up benefiting the enemy😅
But that's the Jack of All Trades paradox tho, you may be good at all of them, but not great. But imo, I'd rather be a flex with good utils + cracked aim, rather than one role with great utils + cracked aim because it gives the team more team comp and strats to choose from.
@@biggusbroncus5413bro forsaken is best yoru, nobody can compete him, u saw him playing jett ? Just watch his VLR he played 1200+ match with jett, one of the best jett player, he introduced Harbor meta, before him nobody use to pick Harbor… he is clutch master.. he deserves place in this list… he is consistent, asuna is not consistent
@@DjangoYTLoud and DRX popularized the Viper/Harbor meta last year at LOCK//IN
It’s not the impact the player provides the team otherwise IGLs would be considered. It’s their firepower nobody cares about how many agents they play
@@DjangoYT i would argue that KC Marteen is currently the best Yoru. Forsaken rarely picked Yoru this stage.
Where is my grandfather Hiko?
Bro Forsaken should be there!
Saya bout to bang everyone out on T1's route to the grand finals
f0rsaken
Literally: "When you are the GOAT but nobody cares"
What did forsaken do today other than go -22?
Not even mentioning chronicle as a possible top 5 player is crazy and im a prx fan btw
theres no way this is not ragebait
He did not put forsaken because there are already 3 prx players in the list. He knows forsaken is top 10 chill out people
no forsaken is kinda crazy tho ngl
tmv never fails to put hiko in the thumbnail
asuna has come back to life
Probably unpopular opinion but Forsaken is still top 5 players (at least) in the World. PRX wouldn't be PRX without him and I feel like he is very underappreciated and under valued player nowadays.
Although I'd structure it differently, this list is pretty acceptable except Asuna who's top 20 at best.
Zmjjkk homecrowd buff will tear this list apart
I just realized in every tournament format heretics been in (everything but split 1 groups) they have not dropped a single map when they win
Ah yes, "they"
Guys, I know this is irrelevant to the topic of this video. I like playing harbor and I think they need to buff him ( or change his kit in a way). I think one way to buff him is by making all of his utility thicker. Like think about it. You would have to invest so much more to push his walls (either cascade or high tide (preferably I would like both but I think one of them would just be fine)). It would provide more slowing utility for harbor. I think it would also balance itself out, because if the harbor misses up their walls it would punish the team by having them to wait out the wall and having to wait for harbor to recharge his wall. I think his orb is fine, doing anything in changing health to it or by changing how big it gets would break it. I would like harbor's cascade to move sideways. These are my thoughts...
forsaken crying in the corner, but i really think that he's atleast deserved on top 3 with how much versatile he is and an all rounded player.
there's no player currently in VCT that can do any position like forsaken do
Um ye u wanna take that back after today
TMV, you're memeing on chat and celebrating the entire time during Madrid because they flamed you for putting Forsaken in your Top 10. Now you're the one that's gonna get memed on (whilst still getting flamed) for not putting him there.
no forsaken is crazy
Bro G2 Vs 100T on Bind bang literally just said fuck it and started aim dueling which gave them the momentum to win imo.
kangkang not even on the shortlist is crazy when hes averaging 272 acs(only second to oxy btw)
in china
@@Harapan162 2 other chinese players were featured when kk has beenmuch better :)
u have to relize, kk have bad permormance this years
@@oliviasimp4970he hasn’t really though, EDG just used him wrong. They’re starting to use him right again by putting him on duelist and getting him an op every round
China is the weakest region, so its not that crazy
No Kangkang is crazy, bro’s boutta have the biggest home country buff
I think ppl gotta realize that TMV made this list solely on the most recent stats and who he thinks has been doing the best RECENTLY. If he was going to do top 10 players EVER (that are attending Shanghai) the list would look very different imo.
Aspas still 1 tho
I still think forsaken should be there cause there's not many players that can play just about any agent that well outside of forsaken
Asuna in the top 10 is gigatroll. I generally feel like Leo is a solid 3 with Aspas and T3xture fighting for 1 but it’s not a huge deal. The list isn’t too troll except for Asuna
did he forget chronicle in the shortlist?
we don't need the entirety of the prx roster on top 10 chat
The f0rsaken sussyanto slander is insane
Isnt miniboo not going to shangai?
What in Hiko Shroud thumbnail
justice for chichoo
Why did he not even consider kang kang lol
if u watch vct china, kangkang is up and down recently, thats mainly because hes been playing games off duelists though, but it doesnt negate his performances imo
pacific pmv jing not on there ._.
is this a re upload??? i swear i’ve seen this video already
Maybe ur thinking of the madrid one
This is reupload?
Where is my goat DRG Shion7?
BRO is SOOO HIGH ON D4VAI !!! ? ??
I think he's properly rated. D4v4i is the most consistent in PRX. You could always trust him to setup his teammates and still frag the hell out. Something has high highs but low lows. D4v4i has high highs and high lows, you feel me?
Leaf is good, but why switch to senti?
Ok where is Kangkang we know he is good like come on you didn't even put him in the candidates list
Bang died for this
Didnt cryo outfrag aspas? If he does it again in shanghai we can place him higher!
Why are there no edg players?
Me in my prx jersey sitting on the shitter malding cause all 6 of the boys aren't on the list (alecks )
whut... everyone was saying Forsaken. lol.
I'd put Forsaken over Alfajer tbh, because Fnatic is carried by Leo this time
Where is Forsaken button --->
f0rsaken absolutely shits on Asuna, Kingg AND Leaf what the hell
hell yeah!
No TenZ is trolling
people ignoring Mindfreak???
the ice man, clutchking???
t3xture is wild WILD. He is monster
No way did he not even consider Chronicle for the list. The guy’s been outperforming both Alfajer and Derke the entire season. Def the most underrated player on all of Fnatic
I agree, he shows up a lot when they need him
Is that fucking shroud in the thumbnail
bro please start thinking do justice to ur name
I agree with this list, but take out Asuna and get Leaf in there.
Where is KingKing?
the only accurate list:
1. aspas
2. leo
3. cryo
4. t3xture
5. d4v4i
6. jinggg
7. something
8. kingg
9. benjy
10. alfajer
(f0rsaken, valyn, leaf, chronicle, asuna, boostio could also enter easily)
Asuna over Derke, Davai and Forsaken ?
Is miniboo playing or not I’m confused
He's not. He's taking a mental health break and focusing on his studies.
putting asuna in top 10 just straight up braindead, bro literally nothing without boostio and cryo
No Kang Kang
Putting t3xture in 3 is actually diabolical... He is literally the best dualist rn... and he dropped the kill record...... AGAINST PRX..........
well, aspas broke the record against sen which won the last event by that logic lol, plus aspas has proven way more consistency, texture didn't achieve much with CR or GE before that
I mean I think Aspas should be 1st.... But if u are saying texture should be 1st we can argue that he did the kill record against 3 players in this same list and aim diffed them... Also aspas had a same kind of game but not against a really good team coz SEN are mid right now only tenZ will make it top 10 and maybe Zekken in top 15
@@aleksjamie911how are zekken and tenz in the top 10 if they aren't even in Shanghai lol
@@Max_McGamer if level didn't make it aspas would still be a top 10 player tho
@@forgersjaigo463 the video is top 10 players for shanghai so not really. not saying sen are bad because they didn't make it, no matter how good they are they aren't in the pool for the list.
Kingg over bang my only issue
asuna over forsaken is bs
Miniboo would own them, they lucky😎
Lol Miniboo not playing in Shanghai
@@biggusbroncus5413 read my comment again
Miniboo will not play this Master, personal problems
Can we be real here the is no way asuna and jinggg are better than derke also forsaken
Dk about Asuna but jinggg hard clears derke
Zmjjkk disrespect is unreal
No shroud?????
If you don't put all 5 PRX members in top 5 then it's not a valid Top 10 list
? aspas texture leo. Lmao no prx player are above the 3 mentioned
No way f0rsaken is not top 10
I don’t watch all the games and I don’t know strategy all that well in comparison to TMV. That being said this is my list as a casual fan:
1. Tenz
(Lmao gotchu there didn’t I).
No here’s the actual list:
1. T3xture (I think this guy carries Gen G on his back)
2. Aspas (Very close second)
3. Cryo (monstrous numbers)
4. Leo (might still be the best initiator on the planet)
5. F0rsaken (He’s extremely creative with his plays, which is unique in the pro scene + he’s much like Jawgemo where he can make space like a duelist on literally any character)
6. Jinggg (best raze ever)
7. Asuna (he’s actually the prime ranked duo. He comms EXTREMELY well now, calls for all the util he wants, entries, frags he does it all).
8. Benjyfishy (some of his site holds are mesmerizing)
9. Alfajer (his raze is a lot better than what I was expecting).
10. Valyn (I would never be biased towards a player just because he’s an omen main like me why would the objectively correct list do that. All seriousness he cooks hard on controller).
The fact he put Leaf and not Valyn at the beginning was a crime
878/12 = 73.2 views per minute man has fallen of, jk tho amazing vid and nc to see hiko :>
How are we gonna say no igl’s and kingg is on the list
Bcs he meant it as he doesnt take into account igling, just pure firepower/form in-game
Why is bro ignoring all the f0rsaken spam
I watched abit of the stream and he basically said he wouldve put forsaken at 10 but he didnt want to put 4 prx players in the list. And also he said asuna was in the chat so he liked him more(dk if that was a joke)
Bruh, as a PRX fan, forsaken is always better than Jinggg
Aim is good and such but his agent pool is so small (Raze and Sage)
@@kneegear5123ok I will not tolerate jinggg slander like that, what you mean his agent pool is small??
Most duelists in the world are literally Jett one tricks, and sometimes pick up one other agent like raze/yoru/neon. Making their agent pool close to 2 characters on average.
Jinggg plays Raze/Sage/phoenix/Reyna on pretty high calibre. 4> 2 last i checked. His agent pool is quite big in comparison
@@kneegear5123i agree. Forsaken is more consistent than jinggg despite playing like 10 different roles and hes also one of the main callers of the team. I personally would put forsaken and jingg on the list and remove asuna
everyone glazing over FANATic right now, but I think there map pool is shit. All they do is comeback against these inexperienced teams that don't knoe how read and adjust mid game. Do you really think any of the pacific teams will give them as much space as Heratics was givig them in the grand finals.
Considering Pacific ALWAYS crumbles in finals, I don't think that's accurate
@@thesilvanalyst6880 Bro u reaally think fanatic makes finals. First geting to finals was a struggle for FNC. They played well in finals but before that they qualified because they played well , it because the other team threw.
Honestly Asuna might make top 20 if he's lucky but goddamn Bang is better than him. Leaf deserves that 10th spot he's the most underrated American player
tenz should be at least top 1
Wow we we wow!
Hi ymv
NO KANGKANG????
THATS WHAT I AN SAYING HE DIDN'T EVEN PUT IN HIS CANDIDATES LIKE WHAT
forsaken flexebility ius unmatched and hes machanicly better that almost all of the players on the list
Texture isn't even the best dualist in his team, let alone being on a top 10 list!
L with no forsaken u noob
Use Excel at least bruv