i really struggle to believe that he just made this dumbass desicion because he actually thought 10k players was small, there HAS to be some "replacement " they are planning
10,000 consistent players for multiple years is amazing for any regular game. For how inaccessible VR still is for a lot of people, it's a downright miracle for a VR game.
I was really surprised. 10k is actually a lot especially for a niche game. They're delusional to call that small but they probably think in mobile terms which is a very different field... making trash mobile money-farms fits meta really well, maybe they can buy Blizzard if Microsoft backs out
Agreed! Looking at the wrong numbers, example from the video being the tens of millions of people that have access to VR. Compare it to a big video game vs all people that have access to a computer, then 10k in VR is REALLY good
Sure, but not for his baldness, man VR is niche as fuck, 10k on average on a game: A: isn't being promoted as fuck B: is niche and inacessible to most of the gaming community C: isn't being constantly updated and having tons of content being added constantly I'll tell you it's more than a miracle it's a feat...it's a case of success. You can't have fortnite/league of legends results without fortnite/league of legends investments, structure, commitment
@I don't care Unfortunately I can see VR headed that way. It'll be treated like mobile gaming all because the quest can "go anywhere". I'd rather have tethered PC VR. It's all I use my quest 2 for anyway. Better PCVR games that aren't on quest
10:19 “He pumps ads to kids on Facebook and now shuts down games people like” chat calling him “corpo slime” is one of the most accurate insults in history.
"pumps ads to kids on facebook" doesn't Charlie and other content creators do the same thing? Isn't that projecting on Charlies part? Oh right he's funny popular internet man none of his audience has the fking brain capacity to call him out on his bullsh*t. Nah not wholesome charlie here.
I am a member of an Echo Vr VRML team. This announcement was literally made on my birthday, it sucked. I appreciate you so much penguinz0, this could legitimately help us blow this up and get it to a huge audience. Thank you so, so much.
Hey, as a member who has been in the Echo VR community since the beginning, I completely agree. This could not be more outrageous because I’ve played video games my whole life and I’ve never come across a game with the perfect mesh of sports and video games, this game made me meet some of my favorite people in this world and I’ve made money off of this game. The game is most definitely not dead. I search for a public match and get one in less than 30 seconds. All that to say I am sad I may be attending my last LAN event this Spring. Thank you for making this Charlie
@@Cuumerr Your contrarian comment is also just looking for likes Every human interaction you've ever had is disingenuine. Everyone secretly hates you behind your back and plots your demise
The fact how he only talks about numbers is so telling to the true nature behind the decision. All he cares about how much money it’ll make him and to him it’s just not enough. And I don’t think people should be like that should be in charge of creative decisions like this; it’s so upsetting to see people crush everything just because they don’t make enough money off it. Wasn’t aware of this until this video, and my heart goes out to the community for Echo VR. It looks like such a fun game and it’s awful to see such a passionate community get let down by some boz(o) who’s just in it for the money. As someone in the arts, it’s so hard to watch creative projects that are loved by many to be shut down for such selfish and out of touch reasons. If there’s a way we can make a change to this decision, please let me know
There's nothing wrong with wanting a profit. The problem lies when that becomes your whole personality, like you're a zombie to money. Even if I could afford a Lambo, I'm just going to think about that guy that says that you life is wasted and over if you haven't earned one while you're in your 20s. Or that guy that thinks a millionaire is poor. That stuff should be appreciated, and if you worked hard for it, good for you. But to tell someone to be insulted because they could only afford a new Corvette Stingray and not a Bugatti, is not someone that I can get along with. Cardi B stealing wallets because her six figure salary as a stripper couldn't pay the bills, is not a good role model and shouldn't be praised.
3 year old game with over 10,000 players? That's literally better than many AAA titles... And to accomplish that as a VR game? WTF?!?! That sounds like a *healthy* community that's just waiting to pop!
@@VixinVR No it isn’t, the quest version is 3 years old and this is 95% of the community, the 6 years you are thinking go back to when it was a part of lone echo
@@Reactiontime6000 it was never part of Lone Echo, it was released as "Echo Arena" in the summer of 2017. I was there. And a massive part of the influential members in the community come from well over 3 years ago. The game is 6 years old.
As one of the very first Echo Arena players from back in 2017, and as someone who's watched you before you even did a face reveal, holy crap, thank you so much for giving this visibility. I've been gaming my entire life, and I can say that games and communities like Echo Arena are one in a million. The base is ridiculously dedicated and passionate, and it's become so much more than a game to us. It's seriously become a home, a family, and a sanctuary to thousands of us, who've been playing it for an upwards of 6 years now (going back to PC release). The main comp league alone has ~4000 active users across hundreds of teams. Last year alone, I went to ~10 Echo LANs+meetups across the country. This game and community saved my life, and saved so many others. Now we want to do all we can to return the favor, and save it. Thank you, cr1tikal.
In terms of VR, there’s simply no product as close to the Quest VR product quality. I hate Meta company as a whole and I wish more companies took VR a bit more serious, sadly it seems only Meta is taking VR serious.
I love how companies just hire people to fill corporate positions in industries they know fuck all about but ask for years of experience from entry level hires.
He left for a reason. Facebook trying to turn VR into the next frontier was a failure and a joke from the outset. A side-gig at best, not the final crescendo. Meta is FINALLY listening to the investors dumping their stock like it's hot lava because for some reason, people don't want to invest in a company that's bleeding money like a waterfall. Nobody should blame Meta for ditching VR, they should blame Meta for trying to sell it as aggressively as they did in the first place. Otherwise it would've been a happy little side-venture of hobbyists doing their own thing.
R.I.P. Echo. My most played VR game all time. I met so many absolutely amazing people playing this game, and am so honored to have been apart of this great community. Guess I’ll go play my last games, good luck everyone!
@@kanedaduskblade9196 Not everyone is a 10 year old screaming child lol but even with that being the majority, I still had a ton of fun and made some unforgettable memories. So yes, I am honored :)
Been playing echo since before the quest 2 was even out, and it’s been a place for me to escape, relax, make friends, and create memories that will last me a lifetime. Boz has no idea what he’s done, and we’re going to make sure he never fucking forgets. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for covering this story, this game means the world to me.
I don’t think Boz understands VR. Not many people play VR. So that many consistent players is pretty high for VR. Also they are having LAN events with prizes?! That’s the first time I’ve heard of a VR scene that big
it wouldn't. they don't give a shit, all they care about is number go up. actually good people at the top are very few and far between in the corporate space because they get chased out of the place before they can get to that rank most of the time and the shitty people get rewarded cause that's how the system is designed to be like, prioritize short term profit.
First of all, such decisions are not even made by CEOs. They are under the commands of investors to ensure the finances are well. They don't care about this because it is frankly none of their business.
not different at all, are you familiar with the concept that money is what makes the world go round? unless theres a financial incentive to follow popular demand or watch these videos or do literally anything at all they aint doing it bud
He sounds like the type of guy to stare at a lost baby ant in his entrance, talk down to it about how pathetic it is, then killing it and feeling accomplished for the rest of the day
And also putting food out so the rest of the ants leave the mound and then pours molting Alluminum in the hill. Then telling the ants to stop thinking about themselves.
It’s crazy that the zuck will say things like “we want to get ahead in the vr space” and then throw away the only thing they have going for them. Essentially the largest vr esport game, is on the leading edge of the “vr space”
I've been playing echo arena for 4 years now. To say I'm experienced with the game is an understatement. This game is like no other. The movement alone is completely different than the standard and it really is a showcase on how great VR games can be especially at VRML Esports level. On behalf of the echo community, Thank you for bringing this to the light.
Haven’t played as long, only for about a year, but 100%. It’s a massively fun game, and really shows the capabilities of VR gaming as opposed to social VR (which I’m still a big part of) To see it shutting down is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen
@@EagleScout2019 didnt play it but like 5 times with my friends. But It was one of the most immersive games on the platform. To see it go away is really sad. It makes no sense either cause the few times I did play the lobbies where full. But it really sucks for the people who dedicated years to it the most. I hate most of their changes anyways one being the shit new name. Oculus was such a more badass name. What do cooperations care about us anyways.
Maybe you should write to Boz and ask him, “Have you seen the numbers for Meta’s other projects lately?” By his logic, Mark Zuckerberg’s favourite projects would have been shut down 3 years ago and the Zuck would have been shown the door!
As someone who is heavily in the VR community and fandom thanks for getting Thrill's video out to more people. It's dope seeing his video get to a larger crowd.
I remember back when I got a quest 2, echo vr was one of the first games I tried. I went through the tutorial, realized that the game wasn’t exactly for me, but went into the lobby anyway to explore. For the next couple of hours, I just played and joked around with the people there and had one of the best experiences I’ve ever had in vr to this day. I truly mourn the fact that others who are new to vr won’t have that same warm and fun introduction to it all.
I dont pay attention to basically anything that happens on the internet, but am always happy to hear Big Charles explain it to me in an entertaining and concise way
I used to play this a lot, not in games, but in the lobby. The community was so nice which is surprising since I was young and my voice was squeaky. It’s really a shame.
I’ve played this game since i was 12-13. I’m now 17. This game has been apart of my life for a very long time. I’ve made money and played at the highest level for years. Truly heartbreaking seeing greed and stupidity at a giant corporation like Meta. Thanks for the coverage Charlie, the Echo community loves you!
Sadly you can't define Meta without the words greed and stupidity. Been like that since the beginning. I am just hoping either Ready At Dawn becomes independent or the community makes a viable successor to Echo VR, because Meta will kill VR if it keeps being the dominant force.
@@aloaloings5596 it’s not wasting years, it’s not just like a game it’s a different kinda thing. Ik ctzn not too well but this bros like one of the top players ever. Echo is so much different than just a game tho. Can’t believe the amount of memories and friends I have from this
Charlie, thank you SO MUCH for bringing attention to echo vr and what is happening to it. I have been a nonstop player of this game with hundreds to thousands of hours in it. We can not thank you enough, you may make a massive impact on this situation.
I have spent almost 5 years of my life dedicating a lot of time to this esport because I believed it would not only make it big, but it was also an extremely fun game that a lot of people would have enjoyed playing. I have met so many of my closest friends on this game so thank you so much charlie/moist. This means so much to not just me but all of the community and we appreciate the support. Even if moist esports isn't a part of echo I will still consider it to be a beast within the echo community.
Thanks for speaking out about this, Charlie; it means a lot to the entire Echo community. Can't tell you how much we all appreciate the support and visibility you are giving us. This is more than just a game, we're going to do whatever we can to save it
@@user-iq4xz6lv8q we aren't crying, we're just pretty made that our tens/hundred of hours have gone to waste by some nobody, you shouldn't brown-nose a company literally stealing money, it's basically a crime in some place
Echo VR is seriously one of the first VR experiences that I fell in love with and hearing this news initially was and still is heartbreaking. I truly hope that there's someway that this can turn around. Highly unlikely but still hoping for the best
@@iceykush 660k subs is niche, mainstream is like 10m nowadays lol, in between 1m and 10m, is somewhat normal for established creators of established subjects.
Thank you Charlie. As one of the loyal players in Echo I have little to no voice in what happens to our Community and Echo in general. It absolutely broke my heart to see that my favorite game of 4yrs is getting shut down, I’m extremely glad to hear that our voice is getting heard. We need to Fight For Echo and are so thankful that your supporting our community’s fight and Echo as a whole. your service with this video is a ray of hope that our game is getting saved. We thank you Charlie
You underestimate your power. If the community bands together to fight back, you can force these people to backpeddle. It's happened with dnd, it happened with Netflix. We can do it to Facebook.
@@callmequaz9052 It happened with dnd because they faced huge backlash from most of their current customers, for a plan that might bring more. Netflix is the same shit, current users hated the change enough, that their potential loss/gain ratio wasn't good. The whole facebook vr thing is already a financial disaster. You could bankrupt a AAA game studio with the amount of money they lose. And it doesn't mean squat to them, but why would it? They make sooo much more money. It's the same thing as Valve games, dealing with little games making some money having some 10k players is waaay below them. People at Valve have some passion for their games, so they keep them chugging along. People at facebook don't.
I never played an actual match of Echo VR but I spent an entire day in the lobby because it was so goddamn epic flying around tossing stuff at people, punching dudes and singing songs the worst you can. And all that wasn’t even the actual game 🗿
@Tina Are you for real? Meta's CTO graduated from university 19 years ago, but of course, everyone and their mother blames the world's shortcomings on the youngest generations casually disregarding the role they had themselves in shaping the present.
it’s funny how this man’s one decision just showed how little he knows about video games. I don’t even think you could find many vr games that actively have 10,000 people playing everyday
I’m really happy you talked about this, this issue is really concerning me. Echo VR was one of the best games on the market right now and it was essentially the first example of an entire new sport in VR. I even made it onto an esports team for it at one point and I met incredible people through it, and it’s changed me for the better. Im hoping that the backlash will change their minds, but I’m not holding my breath
I find it horrifying that the former VP of ads at Facebook is making video game decisions. Nothing is sacred. Games themselves are increasingly just becoming pop-up ads with microtransactions at the forefront. The incentive to make a good game is nearly dead.
Thank you for covering this, I wasn't expecting you to but I'm hoping your reach can help expand the modding community of echo vr so we can create our own servers and keep the game going long past Meta cutting it from their game lists!
Although I've never played the game myself one of my friends competes on one of the top teams in Echo and it was so sad to hear how devastated he was to hear that the servers were shutting down. Its horrible to see how the game that he plays competitively got ruined by one person in charge. I'm hoping for the entire fanbase that something works out in the end, no matter how unlikely.
I played Echo Combat when it released and immediately joined the weekly community tournaments and made a team. It was really the first game I ever got competitive in and I haven't really since. It's truly been the single best multiplayer experience of my life. It's the perfect combination of concept, execution, medium (VR), and art style. Being in that game was like a second body and felt as intuitive as my own real body. The way you moved about zero g space was just sublime. It if weren't locked by oculus and were on steam it really would have blown up sky high.
@@sneakoretardedfans I literally watched him talk about this live on twitch, I knew what the video was about dipshit. You talking shit in the comments is the attention seeking here. God forbid I comment on something I actually care about.
Trying to find out if Charlie is being sarcastic or not in his intros is a challenge within itself and it's just one of the many reasons why I love this channel.
Why is it baffling? I get that it's a bummer but these kinds of things should be expected at this point imho. It's a shame but businesses like Meta don't and will never care about the player experience or enjoyment. It's ALWAYS about the money, and Meta is "too big to fail" now. They don't care about stupid decisions like this because the c-suite doesn't exist in the same world any of us do.
@@leviathan1832 the weird thing is that this time it isn't about the money. the game doesn't have active development. It's just server costs and surely they could find a way to further monetize the game if they're really not making a profit. This game isn't dead, and even as someone who is pretty much numb to business decisions hurting gamers this one caught me off guard.
@@leviathan1832 It's baffling cos it doesn't make sense money wise either, they're harming their company with these decisions. And all they're gaining is the cost of running a few servers. It's negligible for a company like them. So it is baffling. None of makes sense morally or business-wise.
@@leviathan1832 It's not baffling but a pretty stupid business decision because they're losing a lot of potential. Having a working game + playerbase isn't easily reproducible and helps them to solidify in the space and to branch out. A lot of gaming companies run games on a net loss because they know that just having it is worth it.
as a competitive player it especially hurts to have grinded this game for so long, and be so close to a goal of one of the best, just for the game to shut down in the end. And no doubt this sentiment is shared by every other competitive team, which also extends to new players which grows the scene even more. It really just does not makes sense to say it is dying.
Thank you it means a lot! I think right now we are trying to get as many people as possible involved to send Meta a message so if you want to help we could use it!
thanks for the support lmao, its crazy rn how many people are involved/tryna get involved and we are still probably going to need more. Really hope this works 🤞
This is pretty sad. I’ve never had more fun interacting with a community like I have with Echo. Between talking and joking around with your teammates and opponents in a game and playing made up mini games with the people in the lobby, there’s nothing like it. I remember that this kid showed me and this other guy how to play air hockey up in that vent area in the lobby and a 2v1 turned into a 6v3. Just a bunch of different people cramming themselves into this little space just to take turns chucking the lobby disk towards the other vent opening while joking around and talking and some of the kids even trying to flirt with one of the girls playing. I can’t even find a word to describe how it felt to be a part of that, especially never being social growing up. And that story was only one of dozens that I have playing that game. I hope we don’t see it go. There’s something special about it that I wish everyone can experience.
I have been playing echo for 4 years, and when they announced this shutdown, I- I didn’t even know what to do, I had spent over 1,00 hours in this game, over $200 on the game. And for all of this to be taken away broke my heart. But with you helping our cause we might be able to do something about this!!! Thank you from me and the entire Echo VR community
As a ex Pro Echo VR player I thank you for recognizing this situation. Echo VR changed my life over the years I played it pro and I made so many great friends in there. I don’t think Bos will let us win the saving battle unfortunately. I have hope but Meta seems to really want us gone. Thanks Charlie, keep up the great content!
i began playing echo vr on release. i have played with the top players, became a top player, and competed in multiple leagues/events. i truly believe that meta are money hungry gremlins. they began by cutting server costs, so all the servers would be horrendous. then, they just up and decide to end the game. sad how they’re ruining future potential, future friendships, and a thriving community that is inclusive. i have had probably the most fun in my life meeting people in echo and just messing around. thank you for making this video charlie, i had to do a double take because i couldn’t believe you spoke out for an old passion of mine. have a good day all.
I Love the fact that this is getting out there and that you are using your platform to help and spread it more. Playing this game for 3 years has changed a lot for me and having something like this happen because of a playerbases numbers is completely insane.
As an ex-Ready at Dawn dev, I know this is devastating news to the team. They were always active in trying to keep new events going and a stream of new content coming in. I don't doubt that Meta has shuttered this to make a talented team work on trying to keep Horizons from drowning, instead of focusing on actually making games. My heart goes out to the team. Also, there are the PC stand-alone games that I can't imagine would get pulled down - they don't require online components or a server. Give them a try if you haven't - Lone Echo and Lone Echo2 they're really fantastic VR games.
Thank you for covering this, I've spent 1000s of hours and 100s of dollars, and there throwing it away slobbering for more money. "Meta" doesn't care about the consumer. It's enraging I can't do it anymore with them
I just started playing this game because I got an oculus for christmas. I’ve got to say it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played. The community is amazing and the love for the game is off the charts from the users still playing. I really hope that there is a way we can keep the game alive because Echo VR is that game that I go to when I don’t know what to do.
I’m a 2017 player and I never could have thought a game like this could get torn down so easily by any company They waited to tell us till the very last second after the store timer went down and they rinsed out as much money from us as they could Thank you for making a video on this
I know man, and I was really pissed how they didn’t give anyone else the chance to get combat. I wish RAD would’ve made it free at the very least, but now no new players can play it
I think this is happening because meta is pushing VR to be business oriented. Their new quest pro is meant to be for meetings and now they are removing games to "improve the experience". The problem is that this won't happen. The older people that go to meetings very often struggle to set up a nickname on a zoom call. Now tell them to pair the VR controllers, set up an account, avatar, download a game, join the correct room and troubleshoot a few problems. On top of that noone will be the only goofy VR face in a zoom call. Everyone would be questioning your cartoon look instead of focusing on the meeting. There is not going to be a breakthrough unless every single person in the meeting is going to have an expensive headset.
I've been playing Echo since the Oculus Quest beta. I grinded to level 50 that Summer. My teamwork and movement with my friend improved exponentially. We ended up making 2nd place in the Sunshine Cup. No prize, but the people I met and the mechanics I had learned. I still remember the matches with devs every once in while. They were great people. Charlie was the last person I expected to cover this, but I really hope that his influence can spread the fact that Meta doesn't care. They weren't even good before this. The only good things they have going for them are there acquisitions - Oculus, RAD, Rec Room, Beat Games, etc. I mean, can we really trust the same people that destroyed a committed, tightly knit community to create the 'platform of the future' with Horizons? Or to even innovate on their technology at all?
I'm so glad that Charlie is shedding light on this outside the VR community, Echo Vr was one of the best VR games and one of the most active on the platform
@@Me-dr7iy Yea I feel you there a good portion of matches do have kids in them, but I found a lot of really cool people through playing, of course the more higher-level lobby's I got in the more cool people I found👍
Echo VR has already made its comeback, there are people who broke into the code and created a way to play with people online with a mod, but this is ONLY FOR PC at the moment, as it is a mod.
The games just felt really off since it came back and the community will never be able to grow as easily as it would before. Any esports going on would be a potential legal issue too and it made up a large part of the community
Love having a mainstream TH-camr talk about the VR Community. Your voice carries a ton of weight, hopefully it can be a tipping point to get the game back 🙏
I just went out and thanked all of my online friends I've played Echo with, it's such a shame we couldn't have played more, as most of us don't really have the time anymore. Thank you, for bringing the sad news, saved me from the big disappointment when I (or more) *would* have had time.
14:00 This is incorrect. If they reverse engineer the server code, then they are fully within their rights to host that server. It is only illegal if they somehow got the proprietary code that the servers are actually currently running on. As long as it is reverse engineered, they are legally in the clear. Reverse engineering is 100% legal. What gets people in trouble is when they do things like host downloads for the client, build the server using proprietary code, or use copyrighted assets on websites and such.
You rule for covering this wild story! Thank you. Echo is a truly spectacular game. With 6 degree of freedom movement in zero-g, a nearly endless bag of tricks to learn along a steep skill curve, and an athletic/proprioceptive marvel... it's my favorite game of all time... and I've only played 4 months. This astonished admiration grew so quickly for me... I can't even imagine what it would feel like to be a 5+ year veteran with all that's been happening. But the deepest point - this is a canary in the coal mine for all of VR. So to anyone reading, give the game a try! Share this and Thrill's video! Sign the petition! And if I see you in the arena between now and August (and beyond) I'll do my best to share what I know and help out any new players with a genuine interest to explore such an incredible game. Thanks again!!
2:31 - “And I don’t think taking those resources is going to somehow curb Meta’s hundreds of billions of dollars that they’re losing already.” - Charles White Jr.
Two things they could do: 1. Instead of shutting down the servers that run echo arena, dedicate the server to it. 2. Keep the game up, leave it how it is (no updates, bug fixes) and go work on another project
I am just as sad/angry as the community BUT it will be less likely that they will change their minds about shutting it down because they have already made the decision. There is a few things we can do in this short amount of time leading up to the shutdown like keeping our interest in the game by playing, keeping others interested in the game, and recommending this to other people in other communities. Good luck to you all on finding a new game if you don’t “abandon” vr after this is over and have a good day/evening.
THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS CHARLIE, Echo Vr will always be my favorite Vr game, i met some great people and my Vrml team who I’m still friends with to this day, seeing the game shutting down is just sad and disappointing for all of us
im so glad you made this video. i owned a team for a bit and hearing that it was being shut down really broke my heart. i hope this video will be a good message to the people over at facebook.
Luckily the guy who made the modded version used for the esports matches will make it public so hopefully the community could find a way to keep set up servers
Boz doesn't want 10,000 people to enjoy something. He wants 10,000,000 people to hate something else. Classic Meta move.
Just truly depressing man.
he doesn’t care for strong and happy communities, he wants a community to be used for money and nothing else, disgusting
i really struggle to believe that he just made this dumbass desicion because he actually thought 10k players was small, there HAS to be some "replacement " they are planning
It’s not about entertainment it’s about distraction and manipulation
@@denno445 its okay babygirl
10,000 consistent players for multiple years is amazing for any regular game.
For how inaccessible VR still is for a lot of people, it's a downright miracle for a VR game.
I was really surprised. 10k is actually a lot especially for a niche game. They're delusional to call that small but they probably think in mobile terms which is a very different field... making trash mobile money-farms fits meta really well, maybe they can buy Blizzard if Microsoft backs out
Agreed! Looking at the wrong numbers, example from the video being the tens of millions of people that have access to VR. Compare it to a big video game vs all people that have access to a computer, then 10k in VR is REALLY good
It's not, rec room reached 3 million monthly VR users a while ago
Sure, but not for his baldness, man VR is niche as fuck, 10k on average on a game:
A: isn't being promoted as fuck
B: is niche and inacessible to most of the gaming community
C: isn't being constantly updated and having tons of content being added constantly
I'll tell you it's more than a miracle it's a feat...it's a case of success.
You can't have fortnite/league of legends results without fortnite/league of legends investments, structure, commitment
@I don't care Unfortunately I can see VR headed that way. It'll be treated like mobile gaming all because the quest can "go anywhere". I'd rather have tethered PC VR. It's all I use my quest 2 for anyway. Better PCVR games that aren't on quest
10:19 “He pumps ads to kids on Facebook and now shuts down games people like” chat calling him “corpo slime” is one of the most accurate insults in history.
Damn bots
He and the vast majority of corporate execs are worthless slime that leech off of other people's labor.
"pumps ads to kids on facebook"
doesn't Charlie and other content creators do the same thing?
Isn't that projecting on Charlies part? Oh right he's funny popular internet man none of his audience has the fking brain capacity to call him out on his bullsh*t. Nah not wholesome charlie here.
@@Flesh_Wizard quit pointing them out you fking smoot brain Patrick is obviously a bot.
Cyberpunk had it right: CorpoRats.
"Burn corpo shit"
i feel so bad for the echo vr community, i couldn’t imagine having my favorite game being murdered in cold blood like that.
Yeah, imagine how shitty it would be if Valve just cut support for TF2 out of the blue. It would be devastating.
Oh wait...
@@Megadeth7811 damn…
yeah, it sucks man, bosworth has even said that if john was still here then echo would still be alive
it really sucks this game is my favorite vr sports game and this dickhead removed it
@@qxsaints yea
Meta: "why is our VR push not attracting new users?"
Also Meta:
Meta: Why is the player base down to only 10k?
Also Meta: hasn't made a content update in years outside paid cosmetics.
Also meta: let my buy and ruin every great app of the last couple decades aka how long apps have been a thing
@@MyBrothersMario the only problem is that they think paid cosmetics are content updates. Bosworth, more like boswrong.
@did if that were true you wouldn't be begging for people to watch your stuff in comments.
@@MyBrothersMariomy brother in Christ that is a robot
Saying “The player base was only in the tens of thousands” is just the gaming equivalent to the ol’ “Small loan of one million dollars” quote.
Seriously being in the “tens of thousands” already places it higher than most vr games and in the top 100 for monthly steam users
I just need a small favor…. I need you to “take care” of Lil Tim
I am a member of an Echo Vr VRML team. This announcement was literally made on my birthday, it sucked. I appreciate you so much penguinz0, this could legitimately help us blow this up and get it to a huge audience. Thank you so, so much.
Wowie.
Sorry man hope this works out somehow
@@lebanana8343 I appreciate it
@silverGabeNeyes it’s all good, we still have a chance
happy (late) birthday!! i hope it was well despite all of this man.
As a VR gamer that doesn't even play Echo, this whole situation is a big blow to the whole VR community because it shows Meta's priorities lie.
then join the community, if they see the numbers growing after the announceement, they might decidde to keep the servers up
Do not join the community. That’s called getting attached.
@lazyatbeinglazy that's called being a part of something you believe in.
I've got VR but I never heard of this so it doesn't affect me
@@phutureproof you should really try it. it's super fun
Hey, as a member who has been in the Echo VR community since the beginning, I completely agree. This could not be more outrageous because I’ve played video games my whole life and I’ve never come across a game with the perfect mesh of sports and video games, this game made me meet some of my favorite people in this world and I’ve made money off of this game. The game is most definitely not dead. I search for a public match and get one in less than 30 seconds. All that to say I am sad I may be attending my last LAN event this Spring. Thank you for making this Charlie
Really love it when one of your favorite TH-camrs can notice something like this thats a huge part of your life, love ya Charlie
Yea I bet you play the game bud you’re just looking for likes
@Patrick39 goodbye imma just keep reporting till this user goes away cause fuuck bot accounts
@@Cuumerr Your contrarian comment is also just looking for likes
Every human interaction you've ever had is disingenuine. Everyone secretly hates you behind your back and plots your demise
@Barthoven because the next LAN event isn’t even in spring ☠️☠️
Boz is like the antagonist from Ready Player One where he's talking about how much screen can have advertising before causing seizures
I find it funny how Zuckerberg has mentioned he wants to create Ready Player One (The oasis I assume) but he doesn't realize he's IOI
@@DoubleRBlaxicannah he 100% knows
@@thedearleader3265 Boz hunts frogs 100%
@@DoubleRBlaxican what does IOI mean?
@@TheTrinityxGaming They're the bad guys in Ready Player Onr
Boz seems like the guy to make an entire game about watching as much ads as possible and calling it a sport after killing an entire sport
He should helm the 2k nba games
You have 666 likes
Don't give him ideas
I’m just plopping a comment here to see if this ever comes to fruition in the coming years.
Sadly I think you just predicted the future
The fact how he only talks about numbers is so telling to the true nature behind the decision. All he cares about how much money it’ll make him and to him it’s just not enough. And I don’t think people should be like that should be in charge of creative decisions like this; it’s so upsetting to see people crush everything just because they don’t make enough money off it. Wasn’t aware of this until this video, and my heart goes out to the community for Echo VR. It looks like such a fun game and it’s awful to see such a passionate community get let down by some boz(o) who’s just in it for the money. As someone in the arts, it’s so hard to watch creative projects that are loved by many to be shut down for such selfish and out of touch reasons. If there’s a way we can make a change to this decision, please let me know
There's nothing wrong with wanting a profit. The problem lies when that becomes your whole personality, like you're a zombie to money. Even if I could afford a Lambo, I'm just going to think about that guy that says that you life is wasted and over if you haven't earned one while you're in your 20s. Or that guy that thinks a millionaire is poor. That stuff should be appreciated, and if you worked hard for it, good for you. But to tell someone to be insulted because they could only afford a new Corvette Stingray and not a Bugatti, is not someone that I can get along with. Cardi B stealing wallets because her six figure salary as a stripper couldn't pay the bills, is not a good role model and shouldn't be praised.
3 year old game with over 10,000 players?
That's literally better than many AAA titles... And to accomplish that as a VR game? WTF?!?!
That sounds like a *healthy* community that's just waiting to pop!
its funny becuz the game is isnt 3 years old its 6 years old
Yer mom got me ready to pop
@@VixinVR not only that but the only updates we’ve gotten since years ago are cosmetic updates
@@VixinVR
No it isn’t, the quest version is 3 years old and this is 95% of the community, the 6 years you are thinking go back to when it was a part of lone echo
@@Reactiontime6000 it was never part of Lone Echo, it was released as "Echo Arena" in the summer of 2017. I was there. And a massive part of the influential members in the community come from well over 3 years ago. The game is 6 years old.
As one of the very first Echo Arena players from back in 2017, and as someone who's watched you before you even did a face reveal, holy crap, thank you so much for giving this visibility. I've been gaming my entire life, and I can say that games and communities like Echo Arena are one in a million. The base is ridiculously dedicated and passionate, and it's become so much more than a game to us. It's seriously become a home, a family, and a sanctuary to thousands of us, who've been playing it for an upwards of 6 years now (going back to PC release). The main comp league alone has ~4000 active users across hundreds of teams. Last year alone, I went to ~10 Echo LANs+meetups across the country. This game and community saved my life, and saved so many others. Now we want to do all we can to return the favor, and save it. Thank you, cr1tikal.
I never even knew moist at one point didn’t show his face
❤
I’m so sorry
I ain't readin all that lil bro
@@95Cyr 5 lines of text too challenging my guy?
This dude made me go from "I want to use modern VR, but meta makes it uncomfortable," to, "oh HELL no, I'm never using another meta product again."
In terms of VR, there’s simply no product as close to the Quest VR product quality. I hate Meta company as a whole and I wish more companies took VR a bit more serious, sadly it seems only Meta is taking VR serious.
@@Unchainedful too bad this clearly demonstrates that they aren't taking it seriously, but instead see it solely as just another way to make money.
@@Unchainedful I hope they get kicked off steam vr and pico takes market share over them
@@Unchainedful uh the index... if you mean for portables sure but
@@015AEXPico is just as bad as Meta since they’re owned by the Chinese government.
I love how companies just hire people to fill corporate positions in industries they know fuck all about but ask for years of experience from entry level hires.
Thats because they need the strongest exploitable workhorses and they get their friends and whoever tickles their taint personally in the big salaries
Meta was blessed to have John Carmack. The downgrade from an actual technology wizard to this joker is unbelievable
If they wouldn't even listen to him you know it's all downhill from here, what's worse is they blame anyone but themselves.
A down grade for one company means an upgrade for another though
@@freindlyspicerun4424 Carmack left VR entirely to focus on AI. Consumer VR will probably stagnate for a few years now that the hype has cooled down.
@@Verociity wow that is... Very sad
He left for a reason. Facebook trying to turn VR into the next frontier was a failure and a joke from the outset. A side-gig at best, not the final crescendo. Meta is FINALLY listening to the investors dumping their stock like it's hot lava because for some reason, people don't want to invest in a company that's bleeding money like a waterfall. Nobody should blame Meta for ditching VR, they should blame Meta for trying to sell it as aggressively as they did in the first place. Otherwise it would've been a happy little side-venture of hobbyists doing their own thing.
R.I.P. Echo. My most played VR game all time. I met so many absolutely amazing people playing this game, and am so honored to have been apart of this great community. Guess I’ll go play my last games, good luck everyone!
You are honored to get screamed at by ten year olds? Lmao seek help
36 friends I made without a mic those experiences are all just going to be gone now
@@kanedaduskblade9196 Not everyone is a 10 year old screaming child lol but even with that being the majority, I still had a ton of fun and made some unforgettable memories. So yes, I am honored :)
who knows i probably met you
Its back
Been playing echo since before the quest 2 was even out, and it’s been a place for me to escape, relax, make friends, and create memories that will last me a lifetime. Boz has no idea what he’s done, and we’re going to make sure he never fucking forgets. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for covering this story, this game means the world to me.
@Jack Wrath fun fact: hes better then penguinz0!!!
I don’t think Boz understands VR. Not many people play VR. So that many consistent players is pretty high for VR. Also they are having LAN events with prizes?! That’s the first time I’ve heard of a VR scene that big
Looser
same
My deepest condolences to you
could you imagine how different the industry would be if CEOs watched videos like this
it wouldn't. they don't give a shit, all they care about is number go up. actually good people at the top are very few and far between in the corporate space because they get chased out of the place before they can get to that rank most of the time and the shitty people get rewarded cause that's how the system is designed to be like, prioritize short term profit.
If boz watched this video, he would have sent a cease and deceit already
@@Autiscat But imagine if they would.
First of all, such decisions are not even made by CEOs. They are under the commands of investors to ensure the finances are well. They don't care about this because it is frankly none of their business.
not different at all, are you familiar with the concept that money is what makes the world go round? unless theres a financial incentive to follow popular demand or watch these videos or do literally anything at all they aint doing it bud
He sounds like the type of guy to stare at a lost baby ant in his entrance, talk down to it about how pathetic it is, then killing it and feeling accomplished for the rest of the day
Perfect summarization of his response.
And also putting food out so the rest of the ants leave the mound and then pours molting Alluminum in the hill. Then telling the ants to stop thinking about themselves.
Those ants deserved it.
A baby ant is a larva.🍼
What a horrific statement that sounds true af
It warms my heart to see someone who doesn't have much connection to the Echo VR community standing up for our cause.
right?! this man always looking out for the smaller communities
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When I seen the title I didn’t like the guy either
Moists opinions are everyone’s opinions
Lol
Hopping on the bandwagon penguinz0 simps be like:
@@Baraka_Maracas fr
*scene
It’s crazy that the zuck will say things like “we want to get ahead in the vr space” and then throw away the only thing they have going for them. Essentially the largest vr esport game, is on the leading edge of the “vr space”
I've been playing echo arena for 4 years now. To say I'm experienced with the game is an understatement. This game is like no other. The movement alone is completely different than the standard and it really is a showcase on how great VR games can be especially at VRML Esports level. On behalf of the echo community, Thank you for bringing this to the light.
Haven’t played as long, only for about a year, but 100%.
It’s a massively fun game, and really shows the capabilities of VR gaming as opposed to social VR (which I’m still a big part of)
To see it shutting down is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen
@@yeaman3214I don’t believe you
@@EagleScout2019 didnt play it but like 5 times with my friends. But It was one of the most immersive games on the platform. To see it go away is really sad. It makes no sense either cause the few times I did play the lobbies where full. But it really sucks for the people who dedicated years to it the most. I hate most of their changes anyways one being the shit new name. Oculus was such a more badass name. What do cooperations care about us anyways.
Maybe you should write to Boz and ask him, “Have you seen the numbers for Meta’s other projects lately?” By his logic, Mark Zuckerberg’s favourite projects would have been shut down 3 years ago and the Zuck would have been shown the door!
Played it for about the same time you have and I completely agree
Thanks for speaking out about this Charlie, means a lot to me and the entire Echo community.
@YeaMan okay
@Alkalez okay
As someone who is heavily in the VR community and fandom thanks for getting Thrill's video out to more people. It's dope seeing his video get to a larger crowd.
I remember back when I got a quest 2, echo vr was one of the first games I tried. I went through the tutorial, realized that the game wasn’t exactly for me, but went into the lobby anyway to explore. For the next couple of hours, I just played and joked around with the people there and had one of the best experiences I’ve ever had in vr to this day. I truly mourn the fact that others who are new to vr won’t have that same warm and fun introduction to it all.
My favorite part of this video is when Boz showed up at Charlie's house and started trying to eat the trashcan off-screen.
I dont pay attention to basically anything that happens on the internet, but am always happy to hear Big Charles explain it to me in an entertaining and concise way
Fake wholesome comment
Well regardless if this comment is real or not its what i do as well lol
@@sickfukpatrol1983 - My comment is real, but a lot of the replies seem fake/ spam though lol. Not yours, just the other ones
@@user-cb9cd5qj6k I'M NOT BETTER THAN PENGUINZ0 LMAO
@@BaconWrapDonut If there’s a hole, there’s a goal
Charlie repeatedly questioning his dog about "eating the trashcan" is hilarious
14:00 he sounds genuinely puzzled
Isn't IO the name of his cat?
I do food videos while high af on my TH-cam channel.
@@SevenHunnid You're the only one I would watch but not clicking 😛
@@SevenHunnid i'm sold 🤷🏾♀️
I used to play this a lot, not in games, but in the lobby. The community was so nice which is surprising since I was young and my voice was squeaky. It’s really a shame.
"only 10k players so I shut it down"
Metaverse having 10 players: 😭
the government: *sweats profusely*
I’ve played this game since i was 12-13. I’m now 17. This game has been apart of my life for a very long time. I’ve made money and played at the highest level for years. Truly heartbreaking seeing greed and stupidity at a giant corporation like Meta. Thanks for the coverage Charlie, the Echo community loves you!
Damn bro go outside. Dont waste those years.
@@aloaloings5596 you act like all he does is play this game, mind your business you don't know him
Sadly you can't define Meta without the words greed and stupidity. Been like that since the beginning. I am just hoping either Ready At Dawn becomes independent or the community makes a viable successor to Echo VR, because Meta will kill VR if it keeps being the dominant force.
@@aloaloings5596 it’s not wasting years, it’s not just like a game it’s a different kinda thing. Ik ctzn not too well but this bros like one of the top players ever. Echo is so much different than just a game tho. Can’t believe the amount of memories and friends I have from this
@@itsdaparzival gaged the clown I fear
Charlie, thank you SO MUCH for bringing attention to echo vr and what is happening to it. I have been a nonstop player of this game with hundreds to thousands of hours in it. We can not thank you enough, you may make a massive impact on this situation.
M̶y̶ ̶b̶r̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶c̶h̶r̶i̶s̶t̶,̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶n̶ ̶i̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶h̶u̶n̶d̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶s̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶h̶o̶u̶r̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶w̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶m̶e̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶m̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶n̶ ̶1̶1̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶r̶a̶i̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶g̶a̶m̶e̶,̶ ̶b̶u̶t̶ ̶h̶u̶n̶d̶r̶e̶d̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶s̶a̶n̶d̶s̶?̶ ̶T̶h̶e̶ ̶g̶a̶m̶e̶ ̶c̶a̶m̶e̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶2̶0̶1̶8̶
Edit: I failed at reading comprehension, I'm sorry
@@Eh_Nope bro said hundreds TO thousands not hundreds OF thousands
@@Eh_Nopewow
@@cattomusicofficial oh yea he did. Should've gotten rid of the sleep in my eyes before trying to read.
@@Eh_Nope no prob lmao
Putting the vice-president of ads in charge of game running a game is like putting a real-estate salesman in charge of house construction.
I have spent almost 5 years of my life dedicating a lot of time to this esport because I believed it would not only make it big, but it was also an extremely fun game that a lot of people would have enjoyed playing. I have met so many of my closest friends on this game so thank you so much charlie/moist. This means so much to not just me but all of the community and we appreciate the support. Even if moist esports isn't a part of echo I will still consider it to be a beast within the echo community.
You put too much value into a random VR game lmao
@@cornpop838 Put in the same way anyone would with games like valorant or rocket league or smash. Wasn't just about the game, but the people I met.
@@suprum. did you seriously like your own comment LMAO
@@cornpop838 i liked his comment dumbass 💀 tf u tryna start at? over the fact that their comment got a like? petty on a diff level
@@cornpop838 man has no retort lmao
Thanks for speaking out about this, Charlie; it means a lot to the entire Echo community.
Can't tell you how much we all appreciate the support and visibility you are giving us. This is more than just a game, we're going to do whatever we can to save it
@@user-iq4xz6lv8q we aren't crying, we're just pretty made that our tens/hundred of hours have gone to waste by some nobody, you shouldn't brown-nose a company literally stealing money, it's basically a crime in some place
@Casted_Shadows 👑
@cats sit down
@cats says the person commenting on a video that has no relevance to their lives
Guys this isn't twitter
Echo VR is seriously one of the first VR experiences that I fell in love with and hearing this news initially was and still is heartbreaking. I truly hope that there's someway that this can turn around. Highly unlikely but still hoping for the best
It will be a Miracle if they decide to revoke the decision.
@@mussdemyou do know the game existed before meta did, right?
@@mussdem We’ve had this community long before Facebook’s involvement, now we’re just stuck with them
@@thecookiefox4656 ah, even worse then. Well I hope something can be done
im saving my first kiss for charlie
Aren't we all
I'm saving my last for him
Why is this the top comment for me
Lovely
I'm surprised Charlie keeps tabs on the VR community and even knows who Thrill is
Why
@@johnnyallenshaneprater4870 because its pretty niche.
660k subs is not niche
@@iceykush for modern gaming, yes, that is niche if that is the biggest creator
@@iceykush 660k subs is niche, mainstream is like 10m nowadays lol, in between 1m and 10m, is somewhat normal for established creators of established subjects.
Thank you Charlie. As one of the loyal players in Echo I have little to no voice in what happens to our Community and Echo in general. It absolutely broke my heart to see that my favorite game of 4yrs is getting shut down, I’m extremely glad to hear that our voice is getting heard. We need to Fight For Echo and are so thankful that your supporting our community’s fight and Echo as a whole. your service with this video is a ray of hope that our game is getting saved. We thank you Charlie
You underestimate your power. If the community bands together to fight back, you can force these people to backpeddle. It's happened with dnd, it happened with Netflix. We can do it to Facebook.
@@callmequaz9052 It happened with dnd because they faced huge backlash from most of their current customers, for a plan that might bring more. Netflix is the same shit, current users hated the change enough, that their potential loss/gain ratio wasn't good. The whole facebook vr thing is already a financial disaster. You could bankrupt a AAA game studio with the amount of money they lose. And it doesn't mean squat to them, but why would it? They make sooo much more money. It's the same thing as Valve games, dealing with little games making some money having some 10k players is waaay below them. People at Valve have some passion for their games, so they keep them chugging along. People at facebook don't.
@oh no cringe detector your weird
@oh no cringe detector your content suckkks
It was a pleasure knowing you coollit 🥹
I never played an actual match of Echo VR but I spent an entire day in the lobby because it was so goddamn epic flying around tossing stuff at people, punching dudes and singing songs the worst you can.
And all that wasn’t even the actual game 🗿
SAME i was such a lobby gremin and its still one of my favorite games to date even though i never learned how to properly throw the frisbee haha
Im a aviation major. Been a fan of moist for a while. Just had my first flight a few weeks ago. Thank you charles
Congratulations
Good job man, hope you enjoy your career :)
Stay safe out there and soar!
did you crash yet?
It’s amazing how every company these days manages to pick the decision that gets rid of their consumers
Have you seen the product of colleges now-a-days? It's no wonder...
@Tina Are you for real? Meta's CTO graduated from university 19 years ago, but of course, everyone and their mother blames the world's shortcomings on the youngest generations casually disregarding the role they had themselves in shaping the present.
it’s funny how this man’s one decision just showed how little he knows about video games. I don’t even think you could find many vr games that actively have 10,000 people playing everyday
most vr games would be lucky to have 20
There are a few, (rec room, beat saber, gorilla tag just off the top of my head) but echo vr is definitely in the top 3 in terms of metas own games.
I’m really happy you talked about this, this issue is really concerning me. Echo VR was one of the best games on the market right now and it was essentially the first example of an entire new sport in VR. I even made it onto an esports team for it at one point and I met incredible people through it, and it’s changed me for the better. Im hoping that the backlash will change their minds, but I’m not holding my breath
Hope the game can be saved too. The fan base isn't going down without a fight.
I find it horrifying that the former VP of ads at Facebook is making video game decisions. Nothing is sacred. Games themselves are increasingly just becoming pop-up ads with microtransactions at the forefront. The incentive to make a good game is nearly dead.
Ah the indie part of the industry is thriving quite a lot atleast
@@papascrumpeeh I agree. My statement was more about bigger games. Indie devs are the true saviors of gaming.
@@jinjowatts hehe fully agree 👍
As if META VR couldn’t get any worse, this dude is only gonna drive the VR development team to the ground.
@Patrick39 says the guy who only gets shit on in his comments 💀
@@scuzzwxpandthehedgehogboysdon’t interact with the boys. It only boosts them in TH-cam’s algorithm, and makes them harder to get rid of.
My condolences for the bots
I want to see the good in people but I'm about 98% sure Boz would leave me to die if I needed him and he was right there.
sorry man, gotta pull the plug, i'm not seeing any return investment here **turns off your life support**
The last 2% is only if you will help them increase ad revenue.
The last 2% is a jug of milk on the highway in July at this point.
Thank you for covering this, I wasn't expecting you to but I'm hoping your reach can help expand the modding community of echo vr so we can create our own servers and keep the game going long past Meta cutting it from their game lists!
K-pop better + I’m the ultimate k-pop defender ☝🏻☝🏻🤓🤓
congrats man, you got 5 bots replying you lmao
Has Charlie ever addressed these bots because they are only getting worse and more ridiculous
@@lilblako3487 if only he knew you can block comments with filters and would do the little he can do about them.
@@daruinosui7782 wow... youtube needs to work on their shit what kind of bs is this 💀💀
Thank you so much for talking about this. Echo VR was definitely not a dead game and it had room to grow even larger as the VR space grows
Although I've never played the game myself one of my friends competes on one of the top teams in Echo and it was so sad to hear how devastated he was to hear that the servers were shutting down. Its horrible to see how the game that he plays competitively got ruined by one person in charge. I'm hoping for the entire fanbase that something works out in the end, no matter how unlikely.
The bots are overbearing
I played Echo Combat when it released and immediately joined the weekly community tournaments and made a team. It was really the first game I ever got competitive in and I haven't really since. It's truly been the single best multiplayer experience of my life. It's the perfect combination of concept, execution, medium (VR), and art style. Being in that game was like a second body and felt as intuitive as my own real body. The way you moved about zero g space was just sublime. It if weren't locked by oculus and were on steam it really would have blown up sky high.
Echo VR got me through the COVID era. Most fun multiplayer game i have played overall. Sad to see it go.
man, these fucking bots are so irritating to look at.
Commented before even watching. You got your attention now scram comment bot
@@sneakoretardedfans I literally watched him talk about this live on twitch, I knew what the video was about dipshit. You talking shit in the comments is the attention seeking here. God forbid I comment on something I actually care about.
@Patrick39 you are reported for spam is what you are.
No, good so youll finally touch some grass
This justifies my train of thought that John Carmack was the only reason to have hope for Meta.
not when nobody listens to him
Trying to find out if Charlie is being sarcastic or not in his intros is a challenge within itself and it's just one of the many reasons why I love this channel.
K-pop better + I’m the ultimate k-pop defender ☝🏻☝🏻🤓🤓
@Patrick39 let me guess: your farts are stinkyer
@@-whyquestion bot 1 upping the other bot lmfao
Companies should be forced to open-source the server code of a game if they're going to shut them down. It's so baffling that this keeps happening.
Why is it baffling? I get that it's a bummer but these kinds of things should be expected at this point imho. It's a shame but businesses like Meta don't and will never care about the player experience or enjoyment. It's ALWAYS about the money, and Meta is "too big to fail" now. They don't care about stupid decisions like this because the c-suite doesn't exist in the same world any of us do.
@@leviathan1832 the weird thing is that this time it isn't about the money. the game doesn't have active development. It's just server costs and surely they could find a way to further monetize the game if they're really not making a profit.
This game isn't dead, and even as someone who is pretty much numb to business decisions hurting gamers this one caught me off guard.
@@leviathan1832 It's baffling cos it doesn't make sense money wise either, they're harming their company with these decisions. And all they're gaining is the cost of running a few servers. It's negligible for a company like them. So it is baffling. None of makes sense morally or business-wise.
Bro buisness can do what they want people are getting upset about choices other pepple make and I swear its getting dumber
@@leviathan1832 It's not baffling but a pretty stupid business decision because they're losing a lot of potential. Having a working game + playerbase isn't easily reproducible and helps them to solidify in the space and to branch out. A lot of gaming companies run games on a net loss because they know that just having it is worth it.
as a competitive player it especially hurts to have grinded this game for so long, and be so close to a goal of one of the best, just for the game to shut down in the end. And no doubt this sentiment is shared by every other competitive team, which also extends to new players which grows the scene even more. It really just does not makes sense to say it is dying.
when he said "your favorite game being shut down" i had club penguin flashbacks
Pavlov pro player here, my heart goes out to all the Echo VRML players that are hurting right now. We love yall
Thank you it means a lot! I think right now we are trying to get as many people as possible involved to send Meta a message so if you want to help we could use it!
thanks for the support lmao, its crazy rn how many people are involved/tryna get involved and we are still probably going to need more. Really hope this works 🤞
This is pretty sad. I’ve never had more fun interacting with a community like I have with Echo. Between talking and joking around with your teammates and opponents in a game and playing made up mini games with the people in the lobby, there’s nothing like it. I remember that this kid showed me and this other guy how to play air hockey up in that vent area in the lobby and a 2v1 turned into a 6v3. Just a bunch of different people cramming themselves into this little space just to take turns chucking the lobby disk towards the other vent opening while joking around and talking and some of the kids even trying to flirt with one of the girls playing. I can’t even find a word to describe how it felt to be a part of that, especially never being social growing up. And that story was only one of dozens that I have playing that game. I hope we don’t see it go. There’s something special about it that I wish everyone can experience.
I hope it’s not taken down either. It sounds interesting and I hope to try it one day
very well said, it was definitely an experience
2:05 you can hear Charlie's dog screaming from the other room how much he hates the guy.
I have been playing echo for 4 years, and when they announced this shutdown, I- I didn’t even know what to do, I had spent over 1,00 hours in this game, over $200 on the game. And for all of this to be taken away broke my heart. But with you helping our cause we might be able to do something about this!!!
Thank you from me and the entire Echo VR community
Boz is exactly the kind of guy we don't want running a gaming company, numbers>passion for gaming. Also, Thrillseeker is great! Love his content. ☺️
The times are changing, in a bad way.
Charlie mentioning Thrillseeker is the best crossover of the season.
hopefully thrill gets some of the same exposure tuv did
IKR!!!
i've been watching thrill for a while now so this is really cool to see 🙏
Yeah, I was stoked.
As a ex Pro Echo VR player I thank you for recognizing this situation. Echo VR changed my life over the years I played it pro and I made so many great friends in there.
I don’t think Bos will let us win the saving battle unfortunately. I have hope but Meta seems to really want us gone.
Thanks Charlie, keep up the great content!
omg the real blondie live in the TH-cam comments section
BLONDEE
@@chuckiejoseph4979 CHUCKIE JOSEPH
@@Clex- CLECKS
So many echo big shots in here wth
i began playing echo vr on release. i have played with the top players, became a top player, and competed in multiple leagues/events. i truly believe that meta are money hungry gremlins. they began by cutting server costs, so all the servers would be horrendous. then, they just up and decide to end the game. sad how they’re ruining future potential, future friendships, and a thriving community that is inclusive. i have had probably the most fun in my life meeting people in echo and just messing around. thank you for making this video charlie, i had to do a double take because i couldn’t believe you spoke out for an old passion of mine. have a good day all.
I Love the fact that this is getting out there and that you are using your platform to help and spread it more. Playing this game for 3 years has changed a lot for me and having something like this happen because of a playerbases numbers is completely insane.
As an ex-Ready at Dawn dev, I know this is devastating news to the team. They were always active in trying to keep new events going and a stream of new content coming in. I don't doubt that Meta has shuttered this to make a talented team work on trying to keep Horizons from drowning, instead of focusing on actually making games. My heart goes out to the team.
Also, there are the PC stand-alone games that I can't imagine would get pulled down - they don't require online components or a server. Give them a try if you haven't - Lone Echo and Lone Echo2 they're really fantastic VR games.
I would love to play Lone Echo but I can't imagine buying anything from the Oculus store.
Lone Echo was a fantastic game thank you for your work on it.
Easy answer, just replace Horizons with Echo
@@EvilLefty W
Lone echo is one of my favourite VR games of all time. Thank you
Thank you for covering this, I've spent 1000s of hours and 100s of dollars, and there throwing it away slobbering for more money. "Meta" doesn't care about the consumer. It's enraging I can't do it anymore with them
I just started playing this game because I got an oculus for christmas. I’ve got to say it’s one of the best games I’ve ever played. The community is amazing and the love for the game is off the charts from the users still playing. I really hope that there is a way we can keep the game alive because Echo VR is that game that I go to when I don’t know what to do.
I’m a 2017 player and I never could have thought a game like this could get torn down so easily by any company
They waited to tell us till the very last second after the store timer went down and they rinsed out as much money from us as they could
Thank you for making a video on this
I know man, and I was really pissed how they didn’t give anyone else the chance to get combat. I wish RAD would’ve made it free at the very least, but now no new players can play it
@@AT-mb1tm oh damn, I was planning on trying combat before everything shuts down..
I think this is happening because meta is pushing VR to be business oriented. Their new quest pro is meant to be for meetings and now they are removing games to "improve the experience". The problem is that this won't happen. The older people that go to meetings very often struggle to set up a nickname on a zoom call. Now tell them to pair the VR controllers, set up an account, avatar, download a game, join the correct room and troubleshoot a few problems. On top of that noone will be the only goofy VR face in a zoom call. Everyone would be questioning your cartoon look instead of focusing on the meeting. There is not going to be a breakthrough unless every single person in the meeting is going to have an expensive headset.
Crazy to see you shining a light on this! Massive thanks from the whole echo community
Absolutely, super sad to see this gem of a game go.
real
Charlie, thank you for seeing us and hearing us. This means a lot to the community and our cause. Thank you
Hi Covvee :)
@@coolit1234 oh hey coolit
I've been following this situation for awhile because I play this game often. It makes me so mad what's going on and I appreciate you talking about it
You may appreciate him for talking about it but I do be doing pushups tho
I've been playing Echo since the Oculus Quest beta. I grinded to level 50 that Summer. My teamwork and movement with my friend improved exponentially. We ended up making 2nd place in the Sunshine Cup. No prize, but the people I met and the mechanics I had learned. I still remember the matches with devs every once in while. They were great people. Charlie was the last person I expected to cover this, but I really hope that his influence can spread the fact that Meta doesn't care. They weren't even good before this. The only good things they have going for them are there acquisitions - Oculus, RAD, Rec Room, Beat Games, etc. I mean, can we really trust the same people that destroyed a committed, tightly knit community to create the 'platform of the future' with Horizons? Or to even innovate on their technology at all?
I'm so glad that Charlie is shedding light on this outside the VR community, Echo Vr was one of the best VR games and one of the most active on the platform
I find the gameplay really good but the matches were full of kids which didn’t keep me playing
@@Me-dr7iy Yea I feel you there a good portion of matches do have kids in them, but I found a lot of really cool people through playing, of course the more higher-level lobby's I got in the more cool people I found👍
Echo VR has already made its comeback, there are people who broke into the code and created a way to play with people online with a mod, but this is ONLY FOR PC at the moment, as it is a mod.
The games just felt really off since it came back and the community will never be able to grow as easily as it would before.
Any esports going on would be a potential legal issue too and it made up a large part of the community
Love having a mainstream TH-camr talk about the VR Community. Your voice carries a ton of weight, hopefully it can be a tipping point to get the game back 🙏
It won't. These kinds of people don't listen at all unless if they're losing a lot of money, and even then they may not even listen.
Sadly it wont be
I just went out and thanked all of my online friends I've played Echo with, it's such a shame we couldn't have played more, as most of us don't really have the time anymore.
Thank you, for bringing the sad news, saved me from the big disappointment when I (or more) *would* have had time.
Get a discord server going!
@@cloud9296 if he does I would join just for fun
RIP this game. Although I never played it, I 100% sympathize with the Echo VR fanbase here.
I'm with the community and our only goal is to somehow get Meta to reconsider so Charlie talking about it is a big win for us
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This is incorrect. If they reverse engineer the server code, then they are fully within their rights to host that server. It is only illegal if they somehow got the proprietary code that the servers are actually currently running on. As long as it is reverse engineered, they are legally in the clear. Reverse engineering is 100% legal.
What gets people in trouble is when they do things like host downloads for the client, build the server using proprietary code, or use copyrighted assets on websites and such.
You rule for covering this wild story! Thank you. Echo is a truly spectacular game. With 6 degree of freedom movement in zero-g, a nearly endless bag of tricks to learn along a steep skill curve, and an athletic/proprioceptive marvel... it's my favorite game of all time... and I've only played 4 months. This astonished admiration grew so quickly for me... I can't even imagine what it would feel like to be a 5+ year veteran with all that's been happening. But the deepest point - this is a canary in the coal mine for all of VR. So to anyone reading, give the game a try! Share this and Thrill's video! Sign the petition! And if I see you in the arena between now and August (and beyond) I'll do my best to share what I know and help out any new players with a genuine interest to explore such an incredible game. Thanks again!!
The fact that this dude worked for Vector Marketing is a huge red flag
2:31 - “And I don’t think taking those resources is going to somehow curb Meta’s hundreds of billions of dollars that they’re losing already.”
- Charles White Jr.
Two things they could do:
1. Instead of shutting down the servers that run echo arena, dedicate the server to it.
2. Keep the game up, leave it how it is (no updates, bug fixes) and go work on another project
I am just as sad/angry as the community BUT it will be less likely that they will change their minds about shutting it down because they have already made the decision. There is a few things we can do in this short amount of time leading up to the shutdown like keeping our interest in the game by playing, keeping others interested in the game, and recommending this to other people in other communities. Good luck to you all on finding a new game if you don’t “abandon” vr after this is over and have a good day/evening.
Boz is the type of dude that brings the basketball to the game and leaves with it when he loses.
THANK YOU FOR COVERING THIS CHARLIE, Echo Vr will always be my favorite Vr game, i met some great people and my Vrml team who I’m still friends with to this day, seeing the game shutting down is just sad and disappointing for all of us
im so glad you made this video. i owned a team for a bit and hearing that it was being shut down really broke my heart. i hope this video will be a good message to the people over at facebook.
5:15 Eat your cake and have it too… Of course you can eat your cake if you have it, why would that be special?
Damn...DAMN...the fact that he even admitted to "them being loyal" but that wasn't enough...that shit hurt worse than my work schedule.
“Low tens of thousands” is *extremely* good for a multiplayer only vr game that isnt on Steam.
Thank you so much for making this, it means a lot to the Echo VR community
3:33 facebook killed a vr game called "dead and buried" a year after this video, lol how appropriate
Charlie: "It's not a dead game!"
Meta CTO: "Hold my VR Headset"
Luckily the guy who made the modded version used for the esports matches will make it public so hopefully the community could find a way to keep set up servers
Thank you Charlie as you bring this to light. One of my favourite games being destroyed for no reason
Thanks for giving thrill a shout out. He's the best when it comes to vr news