Darn, I usually confirm that but must have forgotten on this video. I just looked back through my recorded footage and don't see anything. Sorry about that. I'm going to pin this comment and hopefully someone else who still has the card can check for you.
I liked, its different from the normal heatsink, i would 100% have one of these on my rig, its very clean, but i guess that for now ill stay with my xfx, that 4080 is too expensive😂
Great looking card. Fan layout reminds me of Founder's Edition cards. Refreshing to see something different. Vertical mounting makes sense with this one.
Yeah, I think MSI did a great job with the design. I hadn't thought of vertically mounting it. I should get myself a vertical mount for my Corsair 5000D test bench system and show off both ways for people. Thanks for the idea!
@@JohnLCharette This would be perfect cause I’m thinking about vertically doing mine now. I’ve have the GPU since July and I really want to show off that heatsink!!!
Just randomly got here and I really like that you answer most of the comments, shows a lot about your character, keep it up the good work man. And nice review of the card
Aww, thank you so much. I try and reply to most comments. I get a few trolls that I ignore, but most people are good humans :) Glad you enjoyed the review. Are you considering buying one?
idk bro, 75C is not cool as cucumber, and while drawing only about 300W, i would expect better temps for how much it costs. i know you can set a custom fan curve, but still...
Yeah, it's a good point. I just compared it to the 4080s that I reviewed and most of them stayed in the 60s. Hmm.. to me, 75C still isn't bad considering it doesn't thermal throttle until 88C.. but still, it could have been cooler. Consider, those tests were done at 30% fan speed.
It might just be the luck of the draw cause I just picked mine up the other day and my core temps depending on game are between 60-70 and hitting 75 when using Path Tracing in Cyberpunk. Hotspot is around 70-80 depending on my use and vram stops at 70c. Case is a Corsair 7000x and clock speeds are 2760mhz.
I could of bought the Expert for 40$ more but the Pro art was a better case fit unfortunately. I am not disappointed in the Pro-Art 4080 super but i did want to buy the Expert. I mean 1095 for a pro art 4080 super it's a really nice card John. had since day of launch! Man did i haggle Micro Center lol! FYI using MSI Afterburner +225 Core Clock +1100mhz Memory clock has been solid gaming so that might be a good baseline for you to start at. Never crashed yet but i so have a lower tier OC core clock at +150 for Warzone! Use at your own risk lol!
Ohhh, thanks for the info regarding your ProArt OC settings. I'll definitely try those out when I unbox and start testing mine. I like the MSI Expert, but personally, prefer the ProArt design better. Shhh, don't tell MSI ;)
I was a huge fan of MSI's evoke oc 5700 card from back in the day that had a similar look. Do you think it's worth getting this or holding out for the next series of gpus?
I'd buy one of these used, to help save cost. They haven't applied any discounts on these cards yet, so I'd wait if you plan to buy new. I hear the new cards will be announced at CES in January, but we may not see cards for a few months afterwards. When the 3000 & 4000 series came out, it was quite difficult to get cards.. so that's a concern too. If you're in the market for a card, buy a used one for now and then consider upgrading again next year.
Nah, some vendors do it. Others don’t. I can’t remember if that one did or not. Just make sure it’s pushed in all the way and you’ll be fine. I do recommend buying a dedicated 12vhwpr cable to clean things up. Those adapters are bulky.
It has 2 exhausts actually. In the orientation of this video, the left fan will exhaust it out of the left side, and the right fan will exhaust it directly out of the top. I have this card in my tower 300 build, and I use vertical orientation. Most of the heat is being dispersed through the side rather than the side that has the grill. That side is more cool air than anything if you're using this gpu as intake.
Doesn't look like it, from my quick search. This is something to consider when buying a card. When I speak with Asus, they always boast that their TUF and Strix cards are waterblock compatible unlike many other brands. I'm not sure if anyone will make one for this card unfortunately :(
You'd have to check the measurement specs on MSIs website vs yours. I'm not sure which make/model RX550 you have.. but I'm guessing this card will be bigger. Let us know what you find out.
Okay so i am currently trying to install my GFX card (MSI 4080 super Expert) and dont have a 12v hpwr converter. I assume that means I need to use the supplied cable. Do I need to plug in all 3 8-pin connectors? Im kind of confused.
@@JohnLCharette I figured that might be the case. Only problem is the cable it comes with is just slightly too big and I can't put my side panel back on. Looks as though I might need to get a converter or something. Is there a less bulky converter I can use, perhaps 90degree, that you might recommend? Edit: I am rocking a Gigabyte 850w modular PSU
You'd need to install the GPU into an enclosure with Thunderbolt 4 support. You can read all about it here: www.windowscentral.com/can-you-use-egpu-surface-pro-8
@@JohnLCharette Thanks, I do have a used RTX 4070 Ti Super from MSI and dont know which case I can use to connect it with my Microsoft Surface Pro 8, cant afford and upgrade for my laptop.
One last thing to note.. the fans don't spin unless they are under load. Make sure you jump into a game and play for a bit, then the fans should turn on. If that top fan still doesn't, then return it.
I ran into the same issue. Performance was fine for a while, then the top exhaust fan stopped after normal in-game stress (I think I was playing Last Epoch at the time...nothing crazy). This was after about a week of use. I tried everything to get it going again. I called MSI for tech support, they had walked me through the standard stress test procedures. Nothing. The recommended returning it to the retailer, so I did. Ended up returning it to newegg, I later went with a different 4080 super. No slight on the MSI expert, as I believe there may have been just a few bad cards out there.
That's the confusing part.. both are the manufacturer (MSIs) websites. One is their product page and the other is their official store. But yes, I agree. Given the fact that I couldn't find it.. I'd agree and say it doesn't have one.
@@JohnLCharette That's a bit of a head scratcher. Seems like whoever set the store up was looking at more than one thing at a time, maybe threw that in cause they finished another page on a card that had it and it was fresh on their mind.
@@JohnLCharette The 'gaming' and 'silent' mode are referring to MSI dragon center pre-sets that can be applied via software. That's why it did not mention dual bios.
I personally wouldn't be too concerned. Yes, I've seen cooler cards, but know that my temps were with fan speeds on Auto, which landed at 30%. These cards won't start to throttle performance until 88C, and that's when the fan will kick in to keep it cooler. What case are you using?
Admittadely I like the founders edition more, but only by like.. 4% more. Definitely not worth the extra $300 or so dollars just cause they dont make enough, definitely going for this. Need that flow through type design for an ITX build, wanna shoot the heat out of the case with a design like this. Good card!
Haha, thanks for the feedback. I never know what to do about music.. have it super low in the background and then turn it up during transitions.. pop it it like I did that video or have no music at all.
Haha, yeah. My wife chirps at me every time I steal it from the dining room table. One day, I'll buy a fancy motorized 360-degree stand to show off parts.
How much u can increase the power maximum?
Darn, I usually confirm that but must have forgotten on this video. I just looked back through my recorded footage and don't see anything. Sorry about that. I'm going to pin this comment and hopefully someone else who still has the card can check for you.
@JohnLCharette thank u. I curious because on some cards can increase +15% or +25%.
I know the ProArt 4080 Super I'm using right now is only able to increase the power limit by 10%.
Its such a divisive card design some think it’s gorgeous and some think it’s ugly, no in-between
I definitely like it. Your thoughts?
@@JohnLCharette I liked it too! I wish they made a 4090 with that design!
I liked, its different from the normal heatsink, i would 100% have one of these on my rig, its very clean, but i guess that for now ill stay with my xfx, that 4080 is too expensive😂
I think it looks a little in between. There you go.
My Asus Dual 4070 Super does have coil whine mainly when playing Starfield. I just ordered this card for 1,080 USD. Very excited to get it installed.
Great looking card. Fan layout reminds me of Founder's Edition cards. Refreshing to see something different. Vertical mounting makes sense with this one.
Yeah, I think MSI did a great job with the design. I hadn't thought of vertically mounting it. I should get myself a vertical mount for my Corsair 5000D test bench system and show off both ways for people. Thanks for the idea!
Recently vertically mounted this gpu in my pc looks so dope
@@JohnLCharette This would be perfect cause I’m thinking about vertically doing mine now. I’ve have the GPU since July and I really want to show off that heatsink!!!
Just randomly got here and I really like that you answer most of the comments, shows a lot about your character, keep it up the good work man. And nice review of the card
Aww, thank you so much. I try and reply to most comments. I get a few trolls that I ignore, but most people are good humans :) Glad you enjoyed the review. Are you considering buying one?
idk bro, 75C is not cool as cucumber, and while drawing only about 300W, i would expect better temps for how much it costs.
i know you can set a custom fan curve, but still...
Yeah, it's a good point. I just compared it to the 4080s that I reviewed and most of them stayed in the 60s. Hmm.. to me, 75C still isn't bad considering it doesn't thermal throttle until 88C.. but still, it could have been cooler. Consider, those tests were done at 30% fan speed.
It might just be the luck of the draw cause I just picked mine up the other day and my core temps depending on game are between 60-70 and hitting 75 when using Path Tracing in Cyberpunk. Hotspot is around 70-80 depending on my use and vram stops at 70c. Case is a Corsair 7000x and clock speeds are 2760mhz.
Thanks for sharing! Yeah, cards vary so much card to card. I imagine given the vapor chamber that it's design very well for thermals.
Is it good for video editing
Absolutely! It’ll benefit you when encoding your video.
Looks great!!!
And only that.
I could of bought the
Expert for 40$ more but the Pro art was a better case fit unfortunately. I am not disappointed in the Pro-Art 4080 super but i did want to buy the Expert. I mean 1095 for a pro art 4080 super it's a really nice card John. had since day of launch! Man did i haggle Micro Center lol! FYI using MSI Afterburner +225 Core Clock +1100mhz Memory clock has been solid gaming so that might be a good baseline for you to start at. Never crashed yet but i so have a lower tier OC core clock at +150 for Warzone! Use at your own risk lol!
Ohhh, thanks for the info regarding your ProArt OC settings. I'll definitely try those out when I unbox and start testing mine. I like the MSI Expert, but personally, prefer the ProArt design better. Shhh, don't tell MSI ;)
Bro you are awesome with your quality
Thank you so much!
Hey John, when you put the thre head power cable in the gpu, did it click?
Not always. That’s the trouble with those connectors. Just make sure it’s pushed all the way.
I was a huge fan of MSI's evoke oc 5700 card from back in the day that had a similar look. Do you think it's worth getting this or holding out for the next series of gpus?
I'd buy one of these used, to help save cost. They haven't applied any discounts on these cards yet, so I'd wait if you plan to buy new. I hear the new cards will be announced at CES in January, but we may not see cards for a few months afterwards. When the 3000 & 4000 series came out, it was quite difficult to get cards.. so that's a concern too. If you're in the market for a card, buy a used one for now and then consider upgrading again next year.
I just got mine! Is the adapter power cable not meant to make a click noise when plugged in? Thanks!
Nah, some vendors do it. Others don’t. I can’t remember if that one did or not. Just make sure it’s pushed in all the way and you’ll be fine. I do recommend buying a dedicated 12vhwpr cable to clean things up. Those adapters are bulky.
For the fan on top, does it release hot air towards the CPU?
Yes, in a traditional horizontal mount, it pulls air from the bottom and shoots it up towards the CPU.
It has 2 exhausts actually. In the orientation of this video, the left fan will exhaust it out of the left side, and the right fan will exhaust it directly out of the top. I have this card in my tower 300 build, and I use vertical orientation. Most of the heat is being dispersed through the side rather than the side that has the grill. That side is more cool air than anything if you're using this gpu as intake.
Do the 4000 cards have a different or better encoder chip then 3000 cards ?
Yeah, I can't say I know much about it, as I don't stream.. but from what I hear, they've improved the AV1 encoding with the 4000 series.
Literally between this & ProArt for me.
I’d recommend the ProArt myself. It’s louder but smaller and better looking. In my opinion.
Hi bro I have been looking for a waterblock for this card, do you know of any that are compatible?
Doesn't look like it, from my quick search. This is something to consider when buying a card. When I speak with Asus, they always boast that their TUF and Strix cards are waterblock compatible unlike many other brands. I'm not sure if anyone will make one for this card unfortunately :(
@ ok bro thanks I'll keep looking
How big is it compared to the rx 550
Bro ur going from a 550 to a 4080, thats wild
@@pdg_strix2447 yep
You'd have to check the measurement specs on MSIs website vs yours. I'm not sure which make/model RX550 you have.. but I'm guessing this card will be bigger. Let us know what you find out.
@@bradenelswick5355 312x162x61 all in mm
Okay so i am currently trying to install my GFX card (MSI 4080 super Expert) and dont have a 12v hpwr converter. I assume that means I need to use the supplied cable. Do I need to plug in all 3 8-pin connectors? Im kind of confused.
Congrats on the new cars! Yes, you need to plug in all three 8pin power connectors to use the card.
@@JohnLCharette I figured that might be the case. Only problem is the cable it comes with is just slightly too big and I can't put my side panel back on. Looks as though I might need to get a converter or something. Is there a less bulky converter I can use, perhaps 90degree, that you might recommend?
Edit: I am rocking a Gigabyte 850w modular PSU
Yes, CableMods has a 90 degree adapter that works well.
Can you show how to use it with laptop , I have microsoft surface pro 8 and don't know how to use this GPU.
You'd need to install the GPU into an enclosure with Thunderbolt 4 support. You can read all about it here: www.windowscentral.com/can-you-use-egpu-surface-pro-8
@@JohnLCharette Thanks, I do have a used RTX 4070 Ti Super from MSI and dont know which case I can use to connect it with my Microsoft Surface Pro 8, cant afford and upgrade for my laptop.
That article recommends the Razer Core X Chroma.
Anyone have this card and the exhaust fan on top doesn't spin?
Sounds like a warranty issue. I'd contact MSI support.
@@JohnLCharette luckily I got it off amazon so I can return it
One last thing to note.. the fans don't spin unless they are under load. Make sure you jump into a game and play for a bit, then the fans should turn on. If that top fan still doesn't, then return it.
@@JohnLCharette yah I ran the heaven bench mark I was hitting 80 degrees still nothing. Gorgeous card though thanks for replying
I ran into the same issue. Performance was fine for a while, then the top exhaust fan stopped after normal in-game stress (I think I was playing Last Epoch at the time...nothing crazy). This was after about a week of use. I tried everything to get it going again. I called MSI for tech support, they had walked me through the standard stress test procedures. Nothing. The recommended returning it to the retailer, so I did. Ended up returning it to newegg,
I later went with a different 4080 super. No slight on the MSI expert, as I believe there may have been just a few bad cards out there.
regarding the dual bios, I would rely on what the manufacturer website says over any third party site, so I would say no dual bios.
That's the confusing part.. both are the manufacturer (MSIs) websites. One is their product page and the other is their official store. But yes, I agree. Given the fact that I couldn't find it.. I'd agree and say it doesn't have one.
@@JohnLCharette That's a bit of a head scratcher. Seems like whoever set the store up was looking at more than one thing at a time, maybe threw that in cause they finished another page on a card that had it and it was fresh on their mind.
Typical MSI ...!
@@JohnLCharette The 'gaming' and 'silent' mode are referring to MSI dragon center pre-sets that can be applied via software. That's why it did not mention dual bios.
Many new cards still have coil whines!
Do you have examples of which brands/models, just so my audience knows.
I'm on the brink of ordering this card today but the temps concern me.
I personally wouldn't be too concerned. Yes, I've seen cooler cards, but know that my temps were with fan speeds on Auto, which landed at 30%. These cards won't start to throttle performance until 88C, and that's when the fan will kick in to keep it cooler. What case are you using?
@JohnLCharette what were the tennis like under load? I'm getting this case and have the 5000d case.
Hello sir can compatible in pc case Phanthek evolv shift?
I'm not 100% sure, but that case can support up to 350mm length GPUs.
Here are the size specs of this card: 312 x 141 x 61 mm
my favourite looking one is the Asus Pro - art and this one but in the UK the Pro Art is one of the cheapest ones
Yes, I agree. I like the ProArt design more than this one.. but kudos to MSI for coming up with something comparable.
love the design just with the rest of my build looked more like it. o well
Finding that perfect GPU to case match it tough. I'm curious, what case are you currently using?
Admittadely I like the founders edition more, but only by like.. 4% more. Definitely not worth the extra $300 or so dollars just cause they dont make enough, definitely going for this. Need that flow through type design for an ITX build, wanna shoot the heat out of the case with a design like this. Good card!
Ohh, very nice! I haven't worked on an ITX build yet, but it's on my list. What case are you building in?
You love it or you hate it I love it
dude nice video but that music that u put in sometimes ist awful man xD
Haha, thanks for the feedback. I never know what to do about music.. have it super low in the background and then turn it up during transitions.. pop it it like I did that video or have no music at all.
Love the card. But in a black case it would look even better ❤❤
Agreed! Any recommendations on a good black case?
Suprim X is much much better looking in my opinion. But its still a nice card
I agree! Suprim is gorgeous. I was reviewing the Suprim 3080 and it's one of my favourite designed cards.
More like puter and gray, no match but with a 4080 Sup your forgiven. lol
Hahah, good catch. *bows*
Uses a Lazy Susan lol
Bothered about being against my Dell 8950 1000w PSU.
Haha, yeah. My wife chirps at me every time I steal it from the dining room table. One day, I'll buy a fancy motorized 360-degree stand to show off parts.
that looka horrible
I've heard people either love it or hate it.. I'm guessing you're the latter.