Doesn't matter. After M1 Macbook's reveal Apple tries to make most out of its ARM architecture which is a disgusting strategy. Slowed down SOLDERED SSD'S 2 TIMES, keeping RAM speeds same, and after 4 years, only putting 30-40 percent performance difference, its just disgrace to tech. I own a M1 Macbook Air, which is the first and probably the last Apple product I have ever used. I wanted an iPhone so badly, but they are already slowing down iPhone 11's, just looking at Twitter Im already convinced that M1 series was a mistake because it was actually good quality product.. Im so sad for Apple potential. They could be the best on every field they make products.
Just ordered mine. Midnight, 8 core cpu/gpu, 512 gb ssd, 24 gb of ram. Can’t wait to work on my Unity project on this machine it’s definitely going to make work flow a lot faster.
One thing I wanted to mention, you pointed out how the M1/M2 chips have 8 cores and the M1 Max has 10 cores, while that is true, the M1/M2 have 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores while the the M1 Max/Pro have 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores. I think the type of cores probably have more effect than just the fact that the Max/Pro have 2 more total cores.
This needs to be upvoted many times. There’s a big performance difference between the Max/Pro and the base chip due to the arrangement and types of cores. Saying that it’s thermal throttling is just plain incorrect. That would be easily provable if a MacBiook Pro 13 was added to these tests to see what the difference of fan vs no fan was to the performance. (MaxTech already did such a test and was SHOCKED at how well the Air performed while throttled.)
While there are only 2 more cores in the M1 Pro vs M1/M2, the more important detail is that the M1 Pro has twice as many (8) performance cores vs 4 in the M1/M2, and has only 2 efficiency cores vs 4 in the M1/M2. Combining those extra high performance cores with the active cooling and greater memory bandwidth is why the M1 Pro MBP and Mac Studio performed so much faster.
Thank you for doing this test, I was concerned about the loss of thermal mass with the M2 design compared to the M1 for long processes. This really gives me confidence to get an M2 as an upgrade from my M1 Air
Somebody showed that after 10 consecutive runs of Cinebench R23, the m2 Air throttled down to the performance of a M1 Mac Mini. That's 20 minutes of work to still be faster than a m1 with a fan. Sounds fine to me.
@@lwwells that's been my issue with these reviews, they've not been comparing M1 Air to M2 Air. It's been M2 Pro Vs M2 Air, or the studio, or mini. It's a version upgrade! The previous version is it should be compared to! 🤦
@@Fozzedout If you have a workload that requires 10+ minutes of run time, you'd probably benefit from the m1 Pro CPU design over the m2. The m2 will be better in single threaded, but I don't think be that much. Get a 14" with the m1 Pro and gimped GPU. It'll beat the snot out of the m2 for CPU and GPU work and it has a superior display.
@@lwwells not really, what if that work load is about 30 mins once a week? The air is perfect for that situation - mostly light tasks, and I never have to worry about dust or moving parts.
The Max Teck channel put out a video this morning where they discovered that putting the power settings into power save mode, improved the thermal cycling problems and I strongly believe will improve the 256 gb ssd single channel problems. The setting of the power profile to energy saving mode, used the four efficiency cores and one performance core to provide a performance boost. What this did was allow more efficient processor scheduling. This ran the processors at approximately 3/4 of the speed of the default setting. The proccessors were at approximately 50 degrees C consistently and used approximately 1/3 the power. The biggest take away from this testing was that thermal cycling was greatly reduced. For that matter any cycling of a machine is physically destructive. For example silicon is obviously not pure. It's doped with elemental impurities that have a different rate of expansion and contraction than the silicon substrate. So temperatures rising, for example from 45 to 108 degrees C cause uncontrolled expansion and contraction at the interface of two different elements. Over a certain number of cycling events the atomic bonds become weak at the interface and micro cracking occurs. Over time this will grow until ultimate failure of the chip. The use of the less aggressive processor scheduler in the power save mode maintained a steady 50 degrees C. Thus reducing the potential of failure. Reduced power consumption. The analogy would be placing the accelerator of your car to the floor between stop lights and jamming the breaks at the next stop light. Not efficient and not good for the cars mechanical drive train endurance. It will fail. Traveling from stop light to stop light with controlled consistent acceleration and deceleration is energy efficient. Improves reliability of your vehicle. Both plusses. The benefit is straight forward, longer battery life, less trips to the Genius bar to have your main board replaced and an acceptable level of performance between the baseline and max. The problem with the single channel 256 gb ssd may be mitigated by using the power saving mode. The idea that I have is that at a lower clock speed the performance of the chip will "better" match the read/write speeds of the single channel ssd. It just an idea and needs to be tested. If it performs better with better processor scheduling of the clock speeds, great. If not no worries. Finally I believe that most engineers are highly intelligent and experienced people. The problem is that Apple is lead by people who market consumer products and not by engineers. Examples of different leadership styles are Intel leadership, it was and still maybe folks from business schools, not engineers anymore. AMD is led by a very competent engineer as their CEO. They are doing well. Please comment and tell me if these are sound theories or not and sound fixes for the problems discovered so far. A comments are welcome. Remember please play nice.
Aunque no hable inglés me gusta mucho tu canal, tus videos son muy entretenidos y muy detallados, deberías tener muchos mas seguidores, por la calidad de tus vídeos, gracias por entretenerme. :)
This is test for real programmer. I like your method to build project over and over to see it throttling. I have seen power consumption when throttling is drop below half of full load but it decrease maybe 10% performance. That's fantastic.! I have to order it now LOL.
Thank you for the comparison between these MacBooks, I'm curious to see some builds but having some chrome tabs open or safari tabs open, usually if I'm building I have some tabs open searching for some other things at the same time.
Why does your title say M2 vs M1 if you clearly labeled left from right Intel 2017 , M1 air base , M1 air 16 gb ram, M1 air 8 gb ram, was the last one on the right not supposed to be M2? Plus they strongly advised against buying base model, so this comparisons is not for people that want to buy for performance, and performance test as such is redundant, as real heavy users will up sepcs of at least 16 gb ram. So normal users wont really notice performance while browsing the net.
In that case, would it be ok to assume the M2 MBP with a single fan would complete the build in maybe around 20 minutes or so? Is it a good middle ground for those of us who don't need the power & the cost of the M1 Pros, but also find the MBAs insufficient for our needs?
very good content, thanks! but one correction might be needed: at 11:32, the comparison is unfair. on ultra, the build was "--debug", on M2, the build was "--release". they are very very different, at least 2x different IIRC.
Hello, I do not find in the comparative tests of elements on the solidity of the case. Is the m2 as solid and well finished as the m1? Thank you in advance for your opinions!
Hi Alex! Great comparison as always, changed my mind a bit on Macbook purchase decision. 😅 I was wondering how do you approach recording this many parallel shots at the same time? Is there a dedicated hardware and software to do that? Thanks in advance! 👊🔥
@@AZisk I see - a software engineer job does treat you humble. 😁 Do you use external video capture cards to record screen and OBS software to record every camera footage or do you just turn them on and then synchronize them in post-postproduction?
I’m getting the M2 air and trading in my mid 2019 intel MacBook Air (it’s painfully slow, loud and 5 years old) Hoping it’s worth it. I don’t use it unless I need it but when I need it… I need it to not be annoying, loud and slow.
If anyone plans to use their mba as their compile server, chances are, they won’t be buying the base model and have enough disposable cash to upgrade. 🤷🏻♂️ People always make a big deal out of a nothing burger. Everything throttles if you push it hard enough.
I'm not sure, but could it be that "Air" laptops designed for light tasks but not for large builds?) I believe for such types of tasks you should use pro model
Nice job Alex for testing MacBook Air's performance. In my experience, using MacBook Air intel version and M1 version to run data science projects is quite torment.
so, Alex, I have my first Macbook pro m1 pro 14inch 16GB, what dock do you recommend to plug two monitors, maybe 3, a keyboard, mouse, some USB c, and maybe a couple of usb3.0? any advice? I'd really appreciate it
I have yet to see anyone check out how the M2 works on the new version of Macos. Is there any chance that apple has somehow optimized the performance for the new chips? Could you try that?
Hello, I would like to have your advice about the new device that I will buy.. It's m1 pro 14 for machine learning But I'm a beginner so I have to learn more then I will learn about ML maybe after 3 months Do you think it's better to buy a good device in the beginning and jus keep it with me till be able to deal with ML and deep learning, or I buy maybe MBA m2 16ram? And it's not that big difference with price Thanks a lot
Hello. That good video. I am a developer, I work on backend and frontend. I want to migrate to a MacBook, would you recommend a MacBook m1 pro? I don't know if an macbook air with m2 and 512 would be good for programming or if it would fall short for my work.
if you’re referring to only the first test, it’s within a few seconds difference, which is within general acceptable tolerances between runs, whether throttling or not. this means that in that situation, throttling isn’t having a negative effect on the build
for soft dev is this m2 good enough? I dont compile super large pieces of code but I do have on the computer 2 or 3 browsers around 30 tabs in total... spotify, editors, images, youtube. would it be fine to have it turn on all day 10+ hours 6 days a week?
With the new higher price, and the extra $200 to get the 2nd NAND chip for the SSD, is the M2 Air even competitive? 14" MacBook Pro seems to be a pretty good match, or good old M1 Air.
I think 80%+ of MB Airs sold is the base model, and there is $600 difference. Though that was the M1, so that figure may change on the M2 because of the OTT videos from MT? So, "competitive", def very and compared with other 512GB/16GB Window's Intel machines like the XPS 13 Plus, much better for performance and efficiency!
With 8GB RAM will not help a lot, because everyone just checking the sequential read/write, but the M2 is much better on random read/write compared to M1, which needed if you have just 8GB RAM, and you swapping a lot (you can forget the sequential read/write there). Even the one NAND M2 beat the two NAND M1 in random read/write speed.
Pardon my ignorance, as I don't understand if thermal throttling is linked to heat, but my priority is really avoiding my laptop getting really hot or loud which is a huge annoyance on my 2020 MBP intel. Will thermal pads or upgrading ram avoid this issue?
Alex, you do not help!! :) I decided to go for MBP 14 M1 for some programming (python, java, fe) and every day tasks. Now I am back to decision making again :D
MBP 14” is still the right decision for any professional. Even just being able to hook up to the TV in a conference room without futzing around is a huge win. The additional performance, larger screen, multi-monitor support, and long battery life under load are all gravy and well suited to daily work. But if you just want a laptop for personal projects, the M2 is not a bad option.
@@lormitto Alex has reviews on his channel. You can see the different machines put through their paces. The short answer, however, is that the M2 Air is just fine. It’s not quite the powerhouse the Pro is, but it will still happily crush Wintel in a lot tasks. There are still tasks that Linux+Intel will win handily at. And even a few that Wintel wins at. But for the most part? Don’t worry about it. Software development isn’t the machine crusher it used to be. We’re mostly talking about shaving a few seconds off here and there.
Cool! As expected, contrary to other videos by nameless influencers, the M2, in these tasks is an improvement like-for-like, over the M1 in the MB Air. So the crazy sentiment that it is a downgrade is moot when doing pro work on the base model. Is it a giant leap for man, not so much, but the dealy in the 3nm, means Apple had to do their best with what they had, and I feel it certainly is worth putting the M2 in rather than another year or so with the M1? Of course, I would recommend 16GB minimum for workloads like this, and probably the MB Pro 13 M2 for a bit faster results, or as most will do, use a "pro" machine.
If you disable swap, you're just asking for trouble. What will your system do if there isn't enough memory? It's like disabling brakes on a car if you feel like it's slowing down too quickly. You're asking for a crash :)
@@AZisk Thank you for the answer. I just want to avoid writing the ssd too much. In order to safe its lifespan. :') Anyway, i would discourage to disable ssd swapping cuz as you mention that system will crash.
Is the m2 actually heating only until 108ºc or is the thermometer widget lying about the temperature? I think its too magic-ish that the temperature always is in that same number. Kinda sus...
i just don’t see why this widget or the other widgets shown on other channels would all show 108. unless you mean the os itself is limiting the reporting. in that case 🤔
@@AZisk Hi Alex, thank you very much for responding. One if the most time consuming parts of building Blazor apps is the re-build after UI changes. Like Angular, simply changing a html tag or text requires a rebuild. Will try to find an example app that doesn't need a Db. Thanks!
@@frenchnigel3138 yeah it’s pretty frustrating about Blazor. It’s different than Angular since Angular has HMR and only sends up the difference, but Blazor has to do a complete rebuild as you said. I hope MS gets that sorted soon for a better experience
develop website using Laravel and nuxt js. Sometimes learn flutter will use emulator for iPhone and android. It is will throttling for 16GB 512 SSD 10 core GPU MacBook Air m2 ? Or pick m2 MacBook Pro better?
I would hasten to add that anyone buying a fanless design in higher ambuient temp countries with no aircon, maybe, should buty a Mac with a fan? Certainly sensible buyers would do that for this type of workflow!
I have a 2015 i5 vs a 2020 i3 and i have to say the 2020 is soooooo suuuuper slow whilest the 2015 is running with husain bolt shoes away from it. So i guess, the 2020 is getting a new owner soon
lol I hope Andy Grove is laughing. An ARM chip that throttles? Go Figure? And they pack all the memory and hard drive controller on the chip sub board. Like a iPhone MAX x 2 crammed in a small enclosure. And it gets hot?
i think in a way apple letting it run hot and throttle in software is better than lock them physically. that way we can appreciate the old and stupid mbp 13' bit more or buy some external cooling pad. and I am expecting great things from m2 Max coming later this year.
I am a CS student. Please help. 1. M1 Air (16 GB, 256 GB) 2. M1 Pro (16 GB, 512 GB) 3. M2 Air (16 GB, 512 GB) 4. M2 Pro (16 GB, 512 GB). I am going to use it for a long time. Please Sort them for me.
For someone who doesn’t understand about laptops & just wants to get a basic understanding of what laptops better I didn’t understand anything your saying, & the videos very sporadic and wild.
Ok, let's make something clear - this thing about apple engineer knowing what they are doing IS NOT entirely true. Come on man, get the Mac Pro Trash Can!
Great work! Surprising that the 16GB M1 finished faster than the base M2 Air.
For short tasks, looks like the M2 wins out all the time.
Max, please include Handbrake MKV h265 compression results also into your videos. Greatly appreciate your videos 👍🏻
Thanks! Most likely due to that particular test being more memory bound. BTW, great interview with Gurman today!
@@AZisk Thank you! Glad it went well :) Was awesome to have him on!
Best of luck to the channel and reaching 100K
Keep up the good hustle
Wiiii, another crossover!
Doesn't matter. After M1 Macbook's reveal Apple tries to make most out of its ARM architecture which is a disgusting strategy. Slowed down SOLDERED SSD'S 2 TIMES, keeping RAM speeds same, and after 4 years, only putting 30-40 percent performance difference, its just disgrace to tech. I own a M1 Macbook Air, which is the first and probably the last Apple product I have ever used. I wanted an iPhone so badly, but they are already slowing down iPhone 11's, just looking at Twitter Im already convinced that M1 series was a mistake because it was actually good quality product.. Im so sad for Apple potential. They could be the best on every field they make products.
Just ordered mine. Midnight, 8 core cpu/gpu, 512 gb ssd, 24 gb of ram. Can’t wait to work on my Unity project on this machine it’s definitely going to make work flow a lot faster.
One thing I wanted to mention, you pointed out how the M1/M2 chips have 8 cores and the M1 Max has 10 cores, while that is true, the M1/M2 have 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores while the the M1 Max/Pro have 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores. I think the type of cores probably have more effect than just the fact that the Max/Pro have 2 more total cores.
This needs to be upvoted many times. There’s a big performance difference between the Max/Pro and the base chip due to the arrangement and types of cores. Saying that it’s thermal throttling is just plain incorrect. That would be easily provable if a MacBiook Pro 13 was added to these tests to see what the difference of fan vs no fan was to the performance. (MaxTech already did such a test and was SHOCKED at how well the Air performed while throttled.)
While there are only 2 more cores in the M1 Pro vs M1/M2, the more important detail is that the M1 Pro has twice as many (8) performance cores vs 4 in the M1/M2, and has only 2 efficiency cores vs 4 in the M1/M2. Combining those extra high performance cores with the active cooling and greater memory bandwidth is why the M1 Pro MBP and Mac Studio performed so much faster.
yes, good point
Just a heads up: at 0:55, you labeled the M2 on the right as M1
Thank you for doing this test, I was concerned about the loss of thermal mass with the M2 design compared to the M1 for long processes. This really gives me confidence to get an M2 as an upgrade from my M1 Air
for sure
Somebody showed that after 10 consecutive runs of Cinebench R23, the m2 Air throttled down to the performance of a M1 Mac Mini. That's 20 minutes of work to still be faster than a m1 with a fan. Sounds fine to me.
@@lwwells that's been my issue with these reviews, they've not been comparing M1 Air to M2 Air. It's been M2 Pro Vs M2 Air, or the studio, or mini.
It's a version upgrade! The previous version is it should be compared to! 🤦
@@Fozzedout If you have a workload that requires 10+ minutes of run time, you'd probably benefit from the m1 Pro CPU design over the m2. The m2 will be better in single threaded, but I don't think be that much. Get a 14" with the m1 Pro and gimped GPU. It'll beat the snot out of the m2 for CPU and GPU work and it has a superior display.
@@lwwells not really, what if that work load is about 30 mins once a week? The air is perfect for that situation - mostly light tasks, and I never have to worry about dust or moving parts.
Great job Alex! I so love your comparisons!! I’m about to study CS as a beginner and your videos help me a lot.
glad to hear that. good luck
I love that my M1 MBA is completely silent. But that also means there may be some downsides under heavy load. I accept that.
I love these comparisons! No manufacturer can fool the customers anymore. Good job Sir! 👍🏽
The Max Teck channel put out a video this morning where they discovered that putting the power settings into power save mode, improved the thermal cycling problems and I strongly believe will improve the 256 gb ssd single channel problems.
The setting of the power profile to energy saving mode, used the four efficiency cores and one performance core to provide a performance boost. What this did was allow more efficient processor scheduling. This ran the processors at approximately 3/4 of the speed of the default setting. The proccessors were at approximately 50 degrees C consistently and used approximately 1/3 the power. The biggest take away from this testing was that thermal cycling was greatly reduced.
For that matter any cycling of a machine is physically destructive. For example silicon is obviously not pure. It's doped with elemental impurities that have a different rate of expansion and contraction than the silicon substrate. So temperatures rising, for example from 45 to 108 degrees C cause uncontrolled expansion and contraction at the interface of two different elements. Over a certain number of cycling events the atomic bonds become weak at the interface and micro cracking occurs. Over time this will grow until ultimate failure of the chip.
The use of the less aggressive processor scheduler in the power save mode maintained a steady 50 degrees C. Thus reducing the potential of failure. Reduced power consumption. The analogy would be placing the accelerator of your car to the floor between stop lights and jamming the breaks at the next stop light. Not efficient and not good for the cars mechanical drive train endurance. It will fail. Traveling from stop light to stop light with controlled consistent acceleration and deceleration is energy efficient. Improves reliability of your vehicle. Both plusses.
The benefit is straight forward, longer battery life, less trips to the Genius bar to have your main board replaced and an acceptable level of performance between the baseline and max.
The problem with the single channel 256 gb ssd may be mitigated by using the power saving mode. The idea that I have is that at a lower clock speed the performance of the chip will "better" match the read/write speeds of the single channel ssd. It just an idea and needs to be tested. If it performs better with better processor scheduling of the clock speeds, great. If not no worries.
Finally I believe that most engineers are highly intelligent and experienced people. The problem is that Apple is lead by people who market consumer products and not by engineers. Examples of different leadership styles are Intel leadership, it was and still maybe folks from business schools, not engineers anymore. AMD is led by a very competent engineer as their CEO. They are doing well.
Please comment and tell me if these are sound theories or not and sound fixes for the problems discovered so far. A comments are welcome. Remember please play nice.
Great tests and analysis! Once again, it matters to know what the constraint is in the system and what tradeoffs you're willing to make. Keep on!
If it wasn't for tech channels like this doing all the testing then the public would be totally in the dark regarding their purchasing decisions 👍👍
Aunque no hable inglés me gusta mucho tu canal, tus videos son muy entretenidos y muy detallados, deberías tener muchos mas seguidores, por la calidad de tus vídeos, gracias por entretenerme. :)
So much schwarzenegger joy!! Subscribed as a way of thanks for making my M2 MBA purchasing decision with confidence.
Another informative video. we learned asitop today too :) we installed it right away. very useful tool. thanx a lot Alex...
Why "effects you" in the title? It was written correctly in the video, "affects you"
yep. thanks
This is test for real programmer. I like your method to build project over and over to see it throttling. I have seen power consumption when throttling is drop below half of full load but it decrease maybe 10% performance. That's fantastic.! I have to order it now LOL.
Thx a lot Alex, this helps to decide how much ram and cores you need
Thank you for the comparison between these MacBooks, I'm curious to see some builds but having some chrome tabs open or safari tabs open, usually if I'm building I have some tabs open searching for some other things at the same time.
Agree.
Why does your title say M2 vs M1 if you clearly labeled left from right Intel 2017 , M1 air base , M1 air 16 gb ram, M1 air 8 gb ram, was the last one on the right not supposed to be M2? Plus they strongly advised against buying base model, so this comparisons is not for people that want to buy for performance, and performance test as such is redundant, as real heavy users will up sepcs of at least 16 gb ram. So normal users wont really notice performance while browsing the net.
In that case, would it be ok to assume the M2 MBP with a single fan would complete the build in maybe around 20 minutes or so? Is it a good middle ground for those of us who don't need the power & the cost of the M1 Pros, but also find the MBAs insufficient for our needs?
Hey alex can you also do a Machine Learning/Deep Learning test on the M2 MBA with 8c GPU vs 10c GPU ?
Can you compare M2 MacBook Air vs MacBook Pro for the same spec ? That would be great to see if the fan helps
Thaaaanks. I wrote again, again. Now you did it finally. Thank you
very good content, thanks! but one correction might be needed: at 11:32, the comparison is unfair. on ultra, the build was "--debug", on M2, the build was "--release". they are very very different, at least 2x different IIRC.
There's a typo on the labels at the beginning: the midnight color should read M2 (and not M1).
See 0.55 sec mark. Three labels saying M1 !?
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Hello, I do not find in the comparative tests of elements on the solidity of the case. Is the m2 as solid and well finished as the m1? Thank you in advance for your opinions!
Hi Alex! Great comparison as always, changed my mind a bit on Macbook purchase decision. 😅
I was wondering how do you approach recording this many parallel shots at the same time? Is there a dedicated hardware and software to do that? Thanks in advance! 👊🔥
thanks ;) i use several cameras at the same time
@@AZisk I see - a software engineer job does treat you humble. 😁
Do you use external video capture cards to record screen and OBS software to record every camera footage or do you just turn them on and then synchronize them in post-postproduction?
@@foxsaysderp i use an atem mini extreme iso to run all the hdmi signals into a single ssd. then i sync the audio in post
@@AZisk Got it, thanks again for so much information 😊
Keep it up with the great content!
I’m getting the M2 air and trading in my mid 2019 intel MacBook Air (it’s painfully slow, loud and 5 years old)
Hoping it’s worth it. I don’t use it unless I need it but when I need it… I need it to not be annoying, loud and slow.
If anyone plans to use their mba as their compile server, chances are, they won’t be buying the base model and have enough disposable cash to upgrade.
🤷🏻♂️
People always make a big deal out of a nothing burger.
Everything throttles if you push it hard enough.
I'm not sure, but could it be that "Air" laptops designed for light tasks but not for large builds?) I believe for such types of tasks you should use pro model
HeyAlex would you recommend a M1 MacBook Pro or a M2 MacBook Air for studying computer science in college
Nice job Alex for testing MacBook Air's performance. In my experience, using MacBook Air intel version and M1 version to run data science projects is quite torment.
There is mistake in giving name of machine for M2, please check it and correct
i have both ,the 16gb is 10c cooler (swapping makes it warmer)
so, Alex, I have my first Macbook pro m1 pro 14inch 16GB, what dock do you recommend to plug two monitors, maybe 3, a keyboard, mouse, some USB c, and maybe a couple of usb3.0? any advice? I'd really appreciate it
Thank you for introducing asitop! 🤩
No problem 😊
I have yet to see anyone check out how the M2 works on the new version of Macos. Is there any chance that apple has somehow optimized the performance for the new chips? Could you try that?
Hello,
I would like to have your advice about the new device that I will buy.. It's m1 pro 14 for machine learning
But I'm a beginner so I have to learn more then I will learn about ML maybe after 3 months
Do you think it's better to buy a good device in the beginning and jus keep it with me till be able to deal with ML and deep learning, or I buy maybe MBA m2 16ram?
And it's not that big difference with price
Thanks a lot
Could you do a test of Xcode responsiveness (time to load large projects, open/close large files, finding a string in files, refactoring etc) ?
If I'm running parallels with visual studio, does M2 Air handles well? Or should I get Mac 1 Pro for this usage?
I seriously jumped up to check my alarm
Hello. That good video. I am a developer, I work on backend and frontend. I want to migrate to a MacBook, would you recommend a MacBook m1 pro? I don't know if an macbook air with m2 and 512 would be good for programming or if it would fall short for my work.
It would have been perfect if you had included the M2 MBP which has a fan.
Otherwise, great video as always!
can you explain why M2 with throttling is faster than the same M2 without throttling?
if you’re referring to only the first test, it’s within a few seconds difference, which is within general acceptable tolerances between runs, whether throttling or not. this means that in that situation, throttling isn’t having a negative effect on the build
@@AZisk ok, thanks
for soft dev is this m2 good enough? I dont compile super large pieces of code but I do have on the computer 2 or 3 browsers around 30 tabs in total... spotify, editors, images, youtube.
would it be fine to have it turn on all day 10+ hours 6 days a week?
jeeesus
With the new higher price, and the extra $200 to get the 2nd NAND chip for the SSD, is the M2 Air even competitive? 14" MacBook Pro seems to be a pretty good match, or good old M1 Air.
I think 80%+ of MB Airs sold is the base model, and there is $600 difference. Though that was the M1, so that figure may change on the M2 because of the OTT videos from MT? So, "competitive", def very and compared with other 512GB/16GB Window's Intel machines like the XPS 13 Plus, much better for performance and efficiency!
With 8GB RAM will not help a lot, because everyone just checking the sequential read/write, but the M2 is much better on random read/write compared to M1, which needed if you have just 8GB RAM, and you swapping a lot (you can forget the sequential read/write there). Even the one NAND M2 beat the two NAND M1 in random read/write speed.
If price is your own concern, you were never gonna get the m2 mba, that’s not really their target market
@@randomcomment9992 which is precisely what apple engineers did to mitigate the effects of 1 nand.
They know what they are doing.
Next up ( an heavy xcode build test ) m1 macbook air v/s m2 macbook air
❤️ from india .
did you not finish the video ? :)
Pardon my ignorance, as I don't understand if thermal throttling is linked to heat, but my priority is really avoiding my laptop getting really hot or loud which is a huge annoyance on my 2020 MBP intel.
Will thermal pads or upgrading ram avoid this issue?
won’t get loud since no fan. won’t get too hot since it will be throttled (slowed down) before it can
im going start learning app development . can i buy m2 air based model for it?
yes sure you can. but if you just upgrade the memory, you’ll end up being a much happier developer:)
You should really be including the base 14” MBP with these MBA tests. I just bought one for $1700 which is the same cost as a 16/512 M2 MBA.
Could you compare the m2 macbook air 16gb 512gb to the macbook pro 14" m1 pro 16gb 512gb ?
Alex, you do not help!! :) I decided to go for MBP 14 M1 for some programming (python, java, fe) and every day tasks. Now I am back to decision making again :D
lol. Oh my bad :) I think you won't be sorry - that's a great machine you got
MBP 14” is still the right decision for any professional. Even just being able to hook up to the TV in a conference room without futzing around is a huge win. The additional performance, larger screen, multi-monitor support, and long battery life under load are all gravy and well suited to daily work. But if you just want a laptop for personal projects, the M2 is not a bad option.
@@AZisk I am happy to hear you are a programmer. Would you still recomment air m2 for some programming assuming 16 GB of RAM
@@lormitto Alex has reviews on his channel. You can see the different machines put through their paces. The short answer, however, is that the M2 Air is just fine. It’s not quite the powerhouse the Pro is, but it will still happily crush Wintel in a lot tasks. There are still tasks that Linux+Intel will win handily at. And even a few that Wintel wins at. But for the most part? Don’t worry about it. Software development isn’t the machine crusher it used to be. We’re mostly talking about shaving a few seconds off here and there.
You said "2 times slower", but not "half speed". An interesting choice of words.
yep, english is not my first language, but i’m still learning
@@AZisk You speak English very well, but "2 times slower" is mathematically incorrect.
Hi Alex, when will be the other M2 Air be shipped?
getting it sooner than expected 🤞
@@AZisk great! I'm waiting for you to do the test and right after it I will order one of those M2 Airs for my wife
My college is gonna start from tomorrow should i get the m1 or the extra money spend on m2 is worth it?
Get a used m1 air with 16gb and 512 or more. Cheaper and more longevity
Great Video 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
Cool!
As expected, contrary to other videos by nameless influencers, the M2, in these tasks is an improvement like-for-like, over the M1 in the MB Air. So the crazy sentiment that it is a downgrade is moot when doing pro work on the base model. Is it a giant leap for man, not so much, but the dealy in the 3nm, means Apple had to do their best with what they had, and I feel it certainly is worth putting the M2 in rather than another year or so with the M1?
Of course, I would recommend 16GB minimum for workloads like this, and probably the MB Pro 13 M2 for a bit faster results, or as most will do, use a "pro" machine.
I just want to ask, Macs with 8GB of RAM. Is that safe to disable swap ssd?
If you disable swap, you're just asking for trouble. What will your system do if there isn't enough memory? It's like disabling brakes on a car if you feel like it's slowing down too quickly. You're asking for a crash :)
@@AZisk Thank you for the answer. I just want to avoid writing the ssd too much. In order to safe its lifespan. :') Anyway, i would discourage to disable ssd swapping cuz as you mention that system will crash.
Thanks! I would like to see a similar test compiling code for MacBook pro 14 (16/512) vs MacBook air m2 (16/512)
Why are you pointing me out in the thumbnail as if I stole your kidney
sorry, my bad. i thought you stole my kidney for a moment there
Is the m2 actually heating only until 108ºc or is the thermometer widget lying about the temperature? I think its too magic-ish that the temperature always is in that same number. Kinda sus...
if a honda civic can’t go above 140mph, is that also sus? :)
i just don’t see why this widget or the other widgets shown on other channels would all show 108. unless you mean the os itself is limiting the reporting. in that case 🤔
Please would you include some Blazor builds / re-builds in your tests?
that would just a an asp.net core app. would be good to show a large build, do you have a link to something like that?
@@AZisk Hi Alex, thank you very much for responding. One if the most time consuming parts of building Blazor apps is the re-build after UI changes. Like Angular, simply changing a html tag or text requires a rebuild. Will try to find an example app that doesn't need a Db. Thanks!
@@frenchnigel3138 yeah it’s pretty frustrating about Blazor. It’s different than Angular since Angular has HMR and only sends up the difference, but Blazor has to do a complete rebuild as you said. I hope MS gets that sorted soon for a better experience
You should put int this test AMD and Intel laptops
Same mistake. You labelled the m2 as an M1 MacBook. This is not a mistake but your video does not have any 1080p or 720p quality. Cheers
yep good catch
It first, what is throttling in this context?
develop website using Laravel and nuxt js. Sometimes learn flutter will use emulator for iPhone and android. It is will throttling for 16GB 512 SSD 10 core GPU MacBook Air m2 ? Or pick m2 MacBook Pro better?
I Live in a Tropical Country where the
Ambient Temperatures even in Winter
touches 35°C. I can’t Help but Wonder
how Toasty it would get in Summer. 😅
haha. i just took this thing outside yesterday in about 35. video coming
I would hasten to add that anyone buying a fanless design in higher ambuient temp countries with no aircon, maybe, should buty a Mac with a fan? Certainly sensible buyers would do that for this type of workflow!
Curious if a 512 ssd and 16+ gb of ram in the m2 would be faster than the m1 with those specs, considering it was faster than the base model m1
Most likely, but I haven't tested yet
You’re my idol Alex!
0:58 M2 is mentioned as M1?
Seeing that Thumbnail, I just remembered when Someone doing like this even My Parents when they kinda Angry to me
😤
“How m2 throttling AFFECTS you”
Love the video by the way
thanks. 😜
I have a 2015 i5 vs a 2020 i3 and i have to say the 2020 is soooooo suuuuper slow whilest the 2015 is running with husain bolt shoes away from it. So i guess, the 2020 is getting a new owner soon
It does, because the publicity makes M1 resale value remain high
lol I hope Andy Grove is laughing.
An ARM chip that throttles? Go Figure?
And they pack all the memory and hard drive controller on the chip sub board. Like a iPhone MAX x 2 crammed in a small enclosure. And it gets hot?
tldr: just because it throttles doesn’t mean it’ll be slower than it’s predecessor
At 1:01 the text above the M2 MacBook Air says M1 :D
i think in a way apple letting it run hot and throttle in software is better than lock them physically. that way we can appreciate the old and stupid mbp 13' bit more or buy some external cooling pad. and I am expecting great things from m2 Max coming later this year.
i9 16 better than mba 8gb for video editing?
How a window machine with 16 gb ram does it?
3:10 Hey! May I ask what's app show in menu bar?
TG Pro: a.paddle.com/v2/click/114/137247?link=48
oh, them megahertz!
should test the M2 Air speeds with low power mode on too...
that would be slower. not sure why I would do that
@@AZisk to see how much cooler it ran, how much less power used, and how much slower...
@@AyaWetts hmm. i suppose that would be interesting 🤔
The FINGERS are just way too BIG! Surprised that you machines aren't ruined! 🤣
I'll... be... back, baby xD
I am a CS student. Please help.
1. M1 Air (16 GB, 256 GB) 2. M1 Pro (16 GB, 512 GB) 3. M2 Air (16 GB, 512 GB) 4. M2 Pro (16 GB, 512 GB). I am going to use it for a long time. Please Sort them for me.
this could be called the M cpu channel.
i do just a little bit of that here 😂
For someone who doesn’t understand about laptops & just wants to get a basic understanding of what laptops better I didn’t understand anything your saying, & the videos very sporadic and wild.
what happened to the Effects word?
what happened?
if you are software developer and making long builds, just buy yourself McBook Pro.
Ok, let's make something clear - this thing about apple engineer knowing what they are doing IS NOT entirely true. Come on man, get the Mac Pro Trash Can!
But, what will happen when they release M2 Ultra? It'll burn the device, xD
If I have it on my laps, I can smell a cooked sausage.
take the sausage out of your pockets before using the laptop. 😀
I would start to take some
Sort of course if your channel had offered 😁
stay tuned :)
Lol they’re for light work.
And what's about the MacBook Pro 13"?
yes that one too
I returned my m2 air, was a rip-off
what do you have now?
😀
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almost 😅