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lol setting that up at that coffee shop.
Nobody even asked me anything about it, I was hoping they would. People just don't care
@@AZisk lol! Love it! Great video!
@@AZiskIn today’s society we would just silently say ‘who’s this crazy dude’ for two seconds and keep walking.
I remember seeing a lot of people here in Santiago de Chile using those HUGE macbooks with 17 inch screens back in 2011-2012 in metro stations, taxis and even in public transport...go figure!
nobody works at a cafe,beside who begging for attention.Brains cannot function well in noisy environment
The coffee shop be like - For the 5$ coffee, dude uses 1000W of electricity 😭
Customers - Is that a bill counter there?
I'm sorry, but I couldn't help myself. I had to do the math.
Given the average cost of power where I live, $5 gets you about 40kWh.
1000W here is like $0.50 lol
1kwh is like 10 cents
It's a bit late in the year for an April Fools'.
Coffee shop final boss 😅 great video anyways
Thanks 😅
WHAT IF... The Mini PC would be able to be charged with an integrated battery, like a laptop!
than thats a laptop...minus the screen, trackpad, keyboard, speakers, built-in camera and microphone. that wouldnt really work
@@dudewtf836 It would for me!
It has a barrel jack so must be DC input. So you could probably tape a battery to it and pretend it's integrated. I know with the Mac minis they do actually have enough space inside they can be modded to use an integrated battery.
I'd really love that.
you can use a ARM based mini pc with a powerbank...
Instead of bringing a laptop, now you bring nearly your home inside your package 😂😂
Biggest problem in most countries is availability of power outlet and risk of power outage. You need to carry an UPS with battery, that is a huge safety risk.
That espresso display is $800.00…. Ridiculous.
Insanity. 😂
Yet Effective.
This is portable, not a laptop, not even comparable.
not gonna lie, novel idea, but totally impractical.
I need to charge my laptop computer wherever I go. I don't think his set up is impractical. If u r travelling this is great
depends where you go and what you’re doing. if you’re on a short train ride, then laptop wins. if you’re in a hotel room, then this wins.
No it's not. It takes 90 seconds to set up. Been doing this for a year now, all gear in a pelican case instead of a backpack.
@@haploid2k not until holoscreen are invented ... i dont find having to bring both the ac cord, keybaord, mouse and monitor + the mini tower itself conveninent at all...
Much merit to the idea --I am thinking about. I already have a portable 17" USB-C monitor that I use for travel when consulting away from home. Except it doubles as an extra screen for the laptop. I type much faster with a real keyboard too.
This video should be labeled as an ad...
Why? 8:06
Imagine if there is a power outage. Goodbye to all work done if there is no autosave feature.
I had to check the calendar if it's April's fools lol 😂
Impractical at best.
A mini PC is a desktop. Change my mind!!
I don't know about mini-PCs replacing laptops, but they do make good replacements for tower PCs.
Desktops are for gamers. Laptops for mobility. This small boxes are useless for me.
Exactly! Mini-PCs are great if you are a casual console gamer, want something with more freedom than Apple Ecosystem for a home setup, or small business office. You can even game with some of them at 1080p resolution settings.
Tower desktops are only good for extreme engineering workloads or hardcore/professional gamers. Most people do not need this much power. It also shoots up your electricity bill (65-100 TDP vs 300-600 TDP).
This guy will setup anything in a coffee shop. Love this guy 😂
This entire situation boils down to simple real estate. MiniPC, laptop, or any variation of either, will never, ever compete with desktops.
You will never have the GPU or CPU, die size of a desktop, in a laptop. You could possible fit the die, but you could never fit the cooling. This is to say nothing of the power delivery for a portable device. If you are on battery, again, you will never reach the performance of a desktop.
Any improvements they make in miniaturization for portable devices, are translated to the desktop in future iterations, and given the far more real estate a desktop has to work with, the yields will always be better.
So, until we have some evolutionary breakthrough in either cooling, or the generation of heat from processing, I'll continue to get a giggle out of anyone who thinks you can replace a desktop, with a smaller device.
For a minute there, I thought you were going to 3D print something to combine everything: the monitor, PC, keyboard and portable power bank!
that exist allready , it is called a laptop pc with desktop part !
Search for cyberdeck
@@xgui4-studios Do you know what else also exists? Spelling and Grammar checkers! Also, laptops have very little to no options for customisations.
Good video to start the day! Is that an AI at the beginning? 😁
yep :) I guess it's getting better that you have to ask :)
Just invented frameworlk litterlaly.
framework is way better than mini pc in my opinion.
Heh that car is like second-worst manifestation of middle life crisis. The worst one is getting a motorcycle.
Idea is unusable btw, you should dig into rooted Android phones and chroot Linux installs, that's rad, you can have a Linux machine in your pocket (even without root).
Desktop will never die because of gaming.
Other perks as well. Examples: Family friendly at home with a larger screen, customized keyboard & mouse, usually a more powerful CPU than the laptop price equivalent, and port rich at a drastically lower cost than a laptop.
For the customized monitor, customized keyboard, customized mouse, and a Ryzen mini-PC (32GB of RAM & 1 TB of SSD) a person gets far more than the M3 Air with 16GB & 512GB.
This is exactly how my friend rocking. He always bring his mini pc with a portable type c display, keyboard and mouse. While it's seems quite strange, nobody even dare to ask
What I find funniest is that an entire mini pc with all this ports is almost the size of a more robust docks station.
yeah i'd rather have the laptop over the mini pc. it's simply more convenient to carry around and there's less risk of breaking that portable monitor.
"Slide it in, zip up, and you're off" Describes my love life for the last 20 years perfectly!!
Just put the mechanical keyboard on top of the laptop and use your favorite mouse
@AZisk Be honest, you’re secretly preparing for the smaller Mac mini next month. 😂
I guess most people have said it, its a novel idea but not practical.
Most humans who have a desktop pc, get it mostly to be able to game even if they have a 1080 and are playing Doom. Humans who are coding will get a laptop since its portable and will server their purpose. Humans who need to do AI/ML can run it on cloud from a desktop or a laptop, whatever they have..
Enthusiasts use these mini PC setups, be it RPi or others for testing home automation, NAS, embedded systems etc. Otherwise these are used for children's first computer or a media center. No one is going to bring all the paraphernalia to a coffee shop, you might get thrown out for trying to hack their network if you run ping or netstat command 😂
I love that all IT people always misspell serve with server once in a while. 😂
In Italian too, “serve” (needs) which is way more common to use.
It’s so cool. 😂
Saw the setup in the coffee shop and immediately said 'nah' lol
If you went to a coffee shop the owner would be worried about what you're doing 😂
When I saw "DEATH of the DESKTOP" I thought you were going to talk about us going back to thin clients that connect to a Microsoft Azure Virtual Desktop or something really evil like that. I'm sticking to my trusty Thinkpad X13 running OpenBSD.
I have a dream where the only thing you need to move from your home setup (which most likely is stationary) to your office setup (which is most likely stationary) is something that you already have, in fact something you have been accustom to for a while now - your phone. When you're at home you plug it into some sort of docking station and it powers your setup there, and you have the similar situation in the office. I believe the technology is already there but it 'the marketing gods' would not allow it as it would probably kill or at least significantly decrease the need for the computers in a different form factor. No one can stop me from dreaming though...
My brother in Christ, look up Samsung Dex. What you're describing has existed for a decade, and it's available on any S-series Samsung device. Google Pixel has something similar in their newest betas.
Ten years ago I thought that's where it would all be going. With things like Linux on Samsung Dex I thought it was a matter of time. But no, not to be.
So glad someone is exploring this option. But let's not forget: battery, webcam, actually use on your lap. All of that makes the economics of this approach questionable.
"What do you think, is this something you would ever do?" Me: Nope.
I do this.. Not really at starbucks, but sometimes I have to be go into the office for work and its really nice being able to just pop my desktop in the backpack and head into the office... Except when I end up leaving the power brick there..
2:40 How dare you put your pristine machine on that disgusting floor?!
So, what you actually want is 17" non-slim laptop with good cooling and mechanical keyboard, which is not technically impossible, just hasn't been marketingly justified yet
This doesn’t make any sense. There is barely any reason to have a full on desktop anyway with how powerful laptops are. You can get a tiny 14” MBP with an M3 Max and 128GB of RAM, which will be crushing even the most powerful windows desktops in most tasks, and can fit in a small backpack. And you can use that anywhere. Coffeeshop with no power plug, an airplane (where you can definitely not use this), a bench, anywhere. This you can use only at your house and specific coffee shops.
Yes it’s interesting, but it is so much more cumbersome than a laptop. If you want to use these peripherals so much the best option would be to have them with you and have the laptop instead of the mini PC, so when you are not able to have enough space or power plug or time to set everything up, you can still just use the laptop.
On the Windows PC side, yes. Easier to modify RAM, SSD, and the GPU (Tower desktops). Also, the screens can be changed from budget to high end (4k 120hz). All done at a significantly lower cost than a top tier laptop. Only weakness is the obvious lack of portability.
If someone is on the go, the budget side laptop doesn't provide the same value as the budget desktop or mini-PC desktop. The top their laptops are worth their weight for frequent travelers at a king's ransom.
The real problem here is - laptops are not upgradable as used to be, I will not use mini PC, I will use some old laptop or real desktop.
Smartphones also are not upgradable. Is it a problem? Hardly so.
Most laptops are still upgradeable if you buy the right ones. My new laptop from Acer has lots of parts I can replace like ram, wifi card, 2 different types of storage and a couple of smaller bits. You can go mad and replace the screen and keyboard/touchpad as well as the frame and a couple of other bigger parts.
Mini-PCs are great if you don't work a professional job or work from home primarily. I like them even in professionals setting with low GPU needs (accounting, financial analysts, Python programmer, or low-end IT Support).
Laptops are far better if you are on the go frequently. More costly, but invaluable for the lifestyle.
When graphics options catch up to this so you can game, I will be all over this.
You really have me thinking about one of those Keychron keyboards.
Although I do have a Kechron keyboard myself (k10), I wouldn't recommend iyou buying one nowadays. There are many better options in the Kechron"s price range. I bought mine 3 years ago and haven't got any issues so far, but if you can go better - go better. There's a guy, here on TH-cam Hypio, he reviews keyboard - check it out.
Can't wait to see you do this with the new Mac mini.
Would be a great setup inside a flight case with the monitor fixed to the lid.
I choose a laptop with a mechanical keyboard integrated.. 40%
The Sam Porter's setup should be normalized everywhere.
Well in my opinion the minis replacing desktops is a little stupid for 3 reasons:
1) they are small and portable but as you said we need peripherals. There is no point carrying and assembling every time you wanna use your pc (and it’s heavier).
2) even if at a point they have top stats (beefy gpus etc) they are not upgradable so they won’t be as cost effective as a pc.
3) they can’t be customised so they look how they look and that can get boring af pretty fast
Do you mean.. framework laptop, idk man...
eh, not exactly. framework makes you FEEL like you have control. I’m not convinced that framework will be viable long term
@@AZisk i like what framework is doing ... i will LOVE if laptop oem will start making their laptop more upgradable and repairaible
@@AZisk that's an intersting view since they don't send their device to my country for me to test it.
But yes, Framework makes me feel like I will have control of it. Is it how they work, selling dream?
When I was at uni and proudly bought my first Mac computer, the Mac Mini Intel Core Solo, I brought it in a luggage back and forth from uni to home and even to places where I need to do presentation. Because I did not have the money for the MacBook Pro/ iBook.
This would make more sense with a bigger display, maybe a foldable monitor for it to be portable
This is why I bought a framework laptop. Have already upgraded the ram in it. I'm done with buying future landfill.
I have recently found this channel, and it is great! KUDOS!
Is there any chance you can do a video on VS Code Server?
have everything plugged in with a single power strip
I mean, at the end of the day, a setup like this is only mildly less convenient than a gaming handheld PC. But I think even those aren't _really_ portable for serious desktop usage.
The biggest advantage to mini PCs is simply the compact form factor and often low prices. I can see businesses and schools absolutely switching to these in the near future.
The best use I can think of tho is in cases where people move around a lot between home and office. It'd be great to have a setup in both locations and just have to plug the PC in, while keeping all your files on one PC.
you really ran an LLM on that tiny thing? haha, i want to see in IRL.
Llm are light. Try llm studio u will see
He did a video on it, good watch!
That’s not the use case of that portable computer.
Doesn't really seem to fit into the "quick and easy" setup. :( See your points though.
Have you considered the Framework laptop?
@@corvinyt my thoughts exactly. I have a light plastic plate that sits over my laptop, resting around the edge of the keys and I put my mechanical keyboard on top of that. Voila!
glad to see you cover Mini PCs, even though a little late 😂
As the owner of a Framework Laptop 16, half the video almost breaks apart, because I've probably got more upgradability and repairability than the mini pc while having more power than the mini pc. I know that Framework laptops aren't cheap, but they are worth the premium, if you think about taking a whole mini pc setup with you.
Add a batterypack and some long cables then you´ll join my club
Been rocking a setup similar to this for just under a year now, mini itx pc with a batterypack packed inside my backpack with still room to spare, perforated backpack backrest as intake and a funnel with a 140mm fan uptop as exhaust. Pumps out loads of heat under load and so far been great with the desktop power in a portable setting. Use with one monitor aswell have to have two usb c’s like in the video but just one cable to charge the batterypack (which doesnt get that hot either) might try liquid cooling next but so far my "pc in a backpack" pc has been doing great laptop for other easy tasks and then bagpc ready to go if there is a monitor around. Wonder why minipc’s/itx arent used more as a replacement for laptops for heavy tasks as there is just a need for a battery and some efficient components and you have a much more capable portable pc.
Wouldnt it be nice to carry a laptop as light as macbook airs and a "magic box that has all the jucie i need".
When performing light task, laptop would do just fine.
But when it comes to performance tasks, just plug in the magic box to the laptop with a dedicated port, it will become a shared system
😂 man in Starbucks 😂 I like this dude
I love my MacMini, small, fast and absolutely quiet!
Laptop. Easy. But I do also own a Mac Studio which I love, and looks exactly like that thing..
Great video! Would love to see the comparison of the different mini-PCs!
I considered this a while back, the flexibility and upgrade ability were my main reasons, i had a monitor keyboard and mouse, and a old pc in need of replacing but then realized that i like the convenience of a laptop, ie i can sit on a confy sofa and have it on my lap... And the ease of portability ...
So i bought a refurbished laptop for half the price of a box ... The ssd and ram both eadily replaced / upgraded if need be.
I had a Mac Mini for years and I mostly liked it. It’s true that you can mix and match components individually and there is some benefit to that, but eventually the amount of cables was starting to get to me. They were everywhere. Once the Mini went officially unsupported for upgrades I bought the M1 iMac. That’s the whole setup, end of story. My portable was an iPad Pro with keyboard.
More recently I got an M2 Air 15”. It’s too big for a portable and too small for a desktop, but it runs desktop software so it works when I go out of town. I don’t really do work at coffee shops though, although it has been done. I find it distracting. So I kind of still like the iMac with the iPad portable solution. I just wish the iMac came with a Pro chip and the extra Ram that comes with that.
future is in having linux tablet with bluetooth split keyboard zmk/qmk and rdp/ssh to home more powerfull machine
Run away from the monter 😂😂😂😂
Akshually, this is the new desktop
I still believe in a world where desktops, laptops and smartphones will merge into one thing, like a docking station in the shape of a laptop, where you plug your smartphone in it, and it works as desktop. I use a macmini and a ipad as monitor for travel, but it still feels off, too much stuff to carry around.
Back in the day, we had PowerBook Duos. In its time, it was revolutionary and the forerunner (by at least a decade) of today's modern laptop docking stations. But yeah, I think it was priced too expensive and Apple killed it off just as they were starting to really take off.
mini pc and laptops is gonna take over desktop
Great monster scenes back there lol!
If only there was a way to drink coffee at home 😅
Yep. First time I've heard about the "death of desktop", it was 2010 😂
Just dont.
My use with a mini pc, was going from home to work site and return. At each, there is a kvm setup. I would arrive, plug in 2 USBs, hdmi, networking, and power. Since the power cable is the same at all sites, l carry only the small box.
All laptops are just thin desktops to me. I don’t work in public spaces, separating work and personal time.
I have used the full sized nuc as you showed, and the half size nuc. The half was functionally the same, but easier to move around.
Nah. Laptops are the best for on the go
This would have a point if the hardware in the mini PC could be easily upgraded with a socketed CPU, slotted RAM, and an MXM graphics card. As it stands, it can't (upgrading RAM as you suggest is not the same thing and is rarely the limiting factor at this point).
If you're going to go through all of this trouble, just build a true SFF ITX desktop that's actually upgradable. They aren't much bigger than mini PCs like this - you can get to around 5L and still have proper upgradability and desktop hardware.
Might be easier to open a coffee shop in your home😂
Wish you could compare this to the framework laptops with their super modularity/repairability just like this crazy mini pc that takes up half your backpack
8:21 not crazy for going to office or when traveling to elsewhere for a few days. I wouldn’t of course go Starbucks with it. But it’s a great option. Look forward for arm chips to make it all even lighter and smaller.
I was expecting an iPad, maybe with a remote virtual desktop for those edge cases
AI monsters aren't real, they can't hurt you Alex.
So desktop but smaller? Got it.
But I wanna work with the computer on my lap while I'm at home.
What if they bundled this together with a keyboard, a screen and something that can emulate a mouse with the touch of a finger? They could even add hinges and fold this contraption on itself to both protect the screen and the keyboard
that would be amazing. We’d probably even be able to put it on our laps.
Noisy keyboards may be fin for you, but they are distracting for your fellow "office" mates.
come on it’s starbucks, not the library. people come there for noise.
Which 17" monitor with magnet wast that? I only see the 15" in your notes above. Thanks Alex.
Ah, the 17" espresso monitor, very cool! Self-corrected 🙂
Was that a disguised advert for a Framework laptop?
Your video showed up in my recommendations just now and I find it actually pretty funny you came up with this type of setup.
You might be interested in the NexDock line of products actually, that's what I am looking at since I too happen to have an older but still nice Intel NUC that I could see myself using in the same way you did with that setup outside.
The dream setup for me is a one device ecosystem. One device to rule them all. Something like a foldable mobile device that you can easily carry in your pocket but will unfold and serve as a small tablet. When you need to do more serious work the device would support desktop mode similar to Samsung DeX, but it would be a fully featured OS.
Most of the time when you are out and about you'd have a phone and tablet on you which is sufficient. If mobile work is required just bring along a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Then at home you could dock the device at your desk and have a full set of peripherals. All your files in one place and you’ve got the flexibility to do it all. I know other share this dream. Somebody make it happen and take my money!
Unlocking your disk encryption or entering your account password on a bluetooth keyboard in a public location is a total Chad move. Huge balls. SDR hackers will love you.
You picked a Beelink. Awesome!
Nice. Just replace monitor with AR glasses and that would be a perfect solution
0:19 well if you exclude the power brick…..
That thing is cool. Just need some improvement like add a integrated battery, keyboard, mouse/touchpad, and yes a screen as well. Voila. We got a great mini PC
I mean, if this is an option, can we get a video about a "jank MacBook" setup involving a Nexdock (or some other lapdock) and a Mac Mini?
Macbook Air + Keychron Keyboard and Im happy. As far as multiple monitors, I got used to working with Virtual Desktops just fine, its not like you can look at two screens at the same time, think about it.
the only way this make sense is if you are playing some sort of esports gaming and an APU is capable of running the game at a high refresh rate. finding a mini PC with that APU and adding gaming peripherals is probably gonna cost less than a laptop with a high refreshrate monitor. it does have a major problem: it took two wall plugs for everything to run. my current portable solution is a MS surface go 2 and the advantage is it can either be used wo any peripherals, with a mouse(and keyboard if needed) or be fully docked with an external display. it can also run on either the built in battery or be powered via anything with 25W PD USB C port. that includes a 25€ powerbank and the phone charging adapter in my car. the only problem is that its kinda slow and won't run much in terms of gaming.