Ken Gentry denies his own Confession of Faith (Westminster), which interprets 2 Thes. 2 accurately: "There is no other Head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God." [Westminster Confession, Ch. 25, sec. 6]. Gentry denies this, and holds to Preterism, as opposed to the Historicism of the Reformation. There is a reason to lament his errors. *Soli Deo Gloria*
@@ryangallmeier6647Dr. Gentry's PARTIAL preterism is not heresy. Pastors do not have to agree with every word of the confession. I believe that church presbyters or whoever interviews candidates for the pastorate asks them to explain if/why they disagree with any part of the confession, and the presbyters determine whether the candidate's belief is beyond the pale of orthodoxy. (I heard this from a Matthew Everhard YT video.) Not every aspect of the WCF is essential belief. Some scripture passages are unclear, even mysteries, as Dr. Gentry states.
@@LucianaPelota It's hypocritical for Gentry to claim to hold to the Westminster Confession of Faith, and then teach contrary to what it clearly says about 2 Thes. 2, and the identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition". It's not that "Some Scripture passages are unclear," that's not what Gentry is saying. He's saying that the Westminster Confession is wrong/incorrect/in error in its statements about 2 Thes. 2. That's my contention with Gentry: hypocrisy! Make sense? See where I'm coming from? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*
Just what is the truth, Mary? You are not actually showing us why he is not telling us the truth. I would like to hear where he is wrong or lying, with some scriptural proof. @@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv "I'm going to present an interpretation that I hope you will research and consider, but I admit this is a difficult passage, and I don't pretend to know it all." - It does sound to me like you're the one who's not being honest with the faithful.
This was pretty great. This man worked line by line through the text and made very reasonable arguments. I'm currently leaning postmill and 2 Thess. 2 was one of the obstacles holding me back. Will continue studying and I'll definitely be seeking resources from him.
2 Thess. 2 has also been one of the more difficult passages for me to reconcile w postmil view. Im still investigating but Gentry does make a good case here for his view
@John 3:19 What point are you trying to make? Please answer that first question, but I just wanted to say that Jesus did say that His kingdom had entered into the world in a number of places. Look at Luke 11:20 and compare Matthew 13:24-29 with verses 36-43
@@marvinbarrera2856 you can be postmil and see man if sin as future some have. I think the hood man of sin comes after the 1000 years or something like that.
@@marvinbarrera2856 yeah but Jesus Christ says the (abomination of desolation) that is( standing in the Holy place). You in Matthew 24:15 the people in Judea should flee))! Those are( not gentiles)!! They they are the ( elect )spoken of in a couple verses later!.( which is 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2. Happens at the very end of time!. And( He tells you to go to the Book of (Daniel) to ((((understand!!!!))) what is what He is saying.in.. Matthew 24:15.( This guy never did that )!!! ...(he's not telling you the truth)!!!. Daniel 8 is the first place it's written about.!! It's the agreement of Daniel 9:27.. to make that( sanctuary) happen for the Antichrist !!..an the peace of the Middle East at the end of time. !!Which is Daniel 9::27 the last space of time (allotted to the Jewish people as Daniel 9 says!!). They're back in their land since 1948. They still want a temple this is (not about salvation)!!!!! this is about the Antichrist making the agreement at the end of time. ..Which is what Revelations 11 and. Revelation 13 verse 5 is about for the last 42 months of time. He gets people to worship Him ...and Jesus Christ destroys him with the spirit of his mouth in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2....( In Daniel 8 ,,it is verse Daniel 8:25 )..Upon his return its future! It's real simple to understand because (every prophecy that's written in the Bible..( pertains to this guy.) I've only given you one there are six more!
Great explanation of the scripture. I am glad I listened to his explanation of The Revelation first. I listened a few times and reread Revelation. Now I get it, Revelation is the key, for me anyway. Thank you for posting this excellent video. Peace
Thank you for pointing out Dan 9:24 "There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite," This puts a time stamp on it. This has to be the beginning of the New Covenant and the end of the Old. I live in much greater peace now. This truly is good news. Thanks again.
Joshua Thompson Yes indeed, particularly Dan 9:27 which is the foundation of dispensationalism - this is where they get the “seven year tribulation” from and they have been mistakenly taught to think an antichrist character confirms a peace deal with Israel 2000+ years into an unknown future, and thus detaching the 70th week from the previous 69. (Remember Jesus telling Peter to forgive his brother 70x7 times.......) They miss out on the beauty of a fulfilled Messianic prophecy ♥️
How does he interpret the 1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time' prophecy (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5; cf. also Dan. 7:25)? Does he interpret it as a Preterist, or Futurist, both of whom think that the 1,260 days is a literal 3.5 years? Or, does he interpret it PROPERLY, like our Protestant forefathers of old, as DAY=YEAR? John Gill (1697-1771) demonstrated the widely-held view amongst Bible-believing Christians of the Reformation and post-Reformation era; Gill's commentary on Rev. 11:2 is helpful here: "and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months... which being reduced to years, make just three years and a half: but then this date cannot be understood strictly and literally; for such a term can never be sufficient for the whore's reign, who was to rule over the kings of the earth, and all nations were to drink of the wine of her fornication: this is too short a time for her to gain so much power, honour, and riches in, as the 13th, 17th, and 18th chapters of this book show, as well as too short for the afflictions and persecutions of the saints by her; wherefore this must be understood prophetically of so many months of years; and a month with the Chaldeans consisting of thirty days, and a year of 360 days, which account Daniel used, and John after him, forty two months, reckoning a day for a year, after the prophetic style, make 1260 years..." Preterists and Futurist BOTH deny that we ought to use the day=year principle in prophetic interpretation. This is a MAJOR mistake. Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvwhy don’t you write an email to Dr. Gentry and invite him to debate? Or better of in you own TH-cam channel take the time to explain step by step with biblical support where is Dr. Gentry mistaken? That’s a fare thing to do, do not refer to him as a heretical man or worst. Just do what’s right and orderly.
@@yresa15 I'm only speaking from my phone .and anything that I say from the Bible that's the truth.( that he doesn't like)!!!( they erase immediately)! so what do you expect I'm supposed to do? The man's not Christian!
But these new Preterists make the same mistake as Dispensational Futurists, don't they? Example: BOTH groups interpret the "temple" in 2 Thes. 2, LITERALLY. Preterists claim that Paul was speaking of the literal temple that was still standing at the time. Futurists claim that Paul was speaking of a 3rd, rebuilt temple off in the future, even from our own time. Naw, the Reformation and post-Reformation writers has it right. They weren't Preterists, and they weren't Futurists, either. Dr. Gentry is INCORRECT in his interpretation of 2 Thes. 2:3-4, the "temple," and the proper identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition". Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Arrogant. You keep plastering rude comments all over the place and you don't give ANY Scriptural support for whatever it is that your views are.
making some great points. resonable views. this makes sense. love all the history made alive backing the teaching and ties the scriptures and history into a workable bundle. thank you
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
Disagree with what, exactly? Dr. Gentry's high-Preteristic views? Because they are fallacious. Just like the Dispensational Futurist view of 2 Thes. 2, the "temple," and the identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition". Notice that BOTH Preterists and Futurists hold the same view of the "temple" in 2 Thes. 2? Both groups claim that Paul is talking about a LITERAL temple: Preterists think Paul is talking about the temple that was still standing; Futurists claim that Paul was talking about a temple that will be rebuilt in the future. Both of these interpretations are fallacious. Just as they are both wrong in their interpretations of the identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition". Questions? Let me know. *Soli Deo Gloria*
@@michaelnapper4565 Not sure what you're asking; but, my point is that both Preterists and Futurists interpret the "temple" (2 Thes. 2) as LITERAL. Whereas the Reformation and post-Reformation writers were well-aware that what Paul meant by "temple" in 2 thes. 2:4 was the CHURCH. The "man of sin, son of perdition" would sit in the CHURCH of CHRIST (the "temple"), claiming himself to be god...etc. Preterists and Futurists interpret Paul's "temple" as literal, not as representative of the CHURCH. That's why the authors of the Westminster and 1689 Baptist Confessions (both Reformed confessions, by the way) in their chapters "On The Church" gave 2 Thes 2:3-4 as a reference citation. Does that make sense? Let me know. Here all day. *Soli Deo Gloria*
@@ryangallmeier6647 I am unfamiliar with that interpretation, which surprises me. So let me ask, if that is the case, that the temple means church, then we are awaiting a very dangerous man that will deceive the church? Say the Antichrist? Do you think that Revelation is describing events behind us, or in front of us?
@@michaelnapper4565 Yet, it was once the most common interpretation of 2 Thes. 2:3-4 amongst nearly all groups of Bible-believing Christians during and after the Reformation time period. We've lost the battle for Eschatology to the Preterists and Futurists. The "man of sin, son of perdition" (aka. the "little horn" of Dan. 7; aka. the "sea beast" of Rev. 13:1-10) already rose to power, persisted for 1,260 literal YEARS before receiving its "deadly wound," which has been healing ever since. We already know the identity of the Antichrist. The book of Revelation depicts events that began in John's day and continue until the 2nd Advent of Christ...and beyond. There are Historical markers (time-specific prophecies) that we can look at for certain, Historical incidents that Revelation describes. The 1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time' prophecy, for example. This prophecy is found in Rev. 11, 12, and 13 (as well as in Daniel, twice). It's found 5 times in Revelation. I would say this specific time prophecy is pretty important, agreed? We can look at it, if you like. Let me know.
It was really cool to watch this because I already arrived at this exact conclusion a few years ago and it was totally incidental. I wasn’t even trying to find a reason to disbelieve the premillennial-dispensational view of this passage. I was doing some historical research on Nero and the Roman emperors and during one video, it mentioned Nero’s rise to power, and I remembered this passage. It sounded like a perfect fit, and so out of sheer curiosity, I looked at one of my study bibles for the date of 2 Thessalonians and it matched perfectly. So this was definitely a cool video to watch to confirm that I wasn’t the only one who came to this conclusion. And this only provided even more information to confirm my conviction. Thank you!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv You are very arrogant as are most dispensationalists I've encountered, online and also in real life. Maybe you should repent of your pridefulness, which God HATES.
Spot on Dr Gentry! I am most perplexed why others say you are still not a full preterist. You seem like one to me. :-) The Lord bless you and keep you.
He said several times that the Lord is coming at the end of history. That's what makes him a partial preterist. A full preterist believes ALL prophecy has been fulfilled and things will continue on as is forever.
In accordance with this whole message and 2 thessalonians 2:12, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I loosen condemnation on all who have pleasure in unrigtheousness, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those being unrigtheous, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
But he denies his own Confession of Faith (Westminster) on this vital issue. They were right; Gentry is in grave error, here. And, he's leading Christians astray with his Preterist errors.
One of the great errors and problems in Biblical Hermeneutics is that most people don't even know what it means, and for those who know, they don't understand the basics of Hermeneutics is that we have to read the Scriptures with a view towards how is the writer meaning what is written and how would the hearers/readers have understood the letter/passage. Additionally the context, both immediate and broader must be considered, and the Bible is its own interpreter. Many other rules exist, but these are of paramount importance in the proper meaning of the Scriptures. God has not given us His word to confuse us, but rather to reveal His will to us. Laziness and ignorance are not valid reasons to take God's Name in vain by attributing to Him, what He has not intended.
Hermeneutics does not attempt to bring out what the writer intended to say and view his words in its context. That's exegesis. Hermeneutics is how we apply the writer's words in our day.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvHey, what’s your problem? You need to settle down there, commenting on everyone comment because you don’t agree isn’t making yourself look good. Show some grace and chill out, no need to be mean
Very good work here by Gentry on apostasy. In its Classical Greek meaning it meant to rebel against a military commander (Bible Gateway). Gentry may be correct, but the Man of sin may have been the Jews in rebellion from God and Rome. This interpretation was originally put forth by Nehemiah Nisbett (1808) in his book, "The mysterious language of st. Paul, in his description of the man of sin." After all, the man of lawless was destroyed by outshining glory of the lord's coming...this refers to the destruction of the Jews...Nero was not destroyed by the coming of the lord!
"the jews", who are Esau, ruled over Rome, who is Philistine, and not the other way around. Good point about Nero, who committed suicide. There is so much wrong with preterism, it is ridiculous.
Not one thing he told you is the truth. I've studied this prophecy for 50 years. he never did what Jesus told you to do, to understand it. in Matthew 24:15.
I can agree that Nero was the man of perdition, but it also holds that Constantine was too, they are but ancestors of all popes to follow. The papacy itself, regardless of who fills the seat at any given time in history, including today. And I can see the purple and scarlet and gold of jewish priests being transferred to catholicism's priests. It's all one, a continuation behind a different mask, down through time. My point is that saying Nero was the man of perdition does not rule out the pope also being the same. They are all one. The beast fills each new incarnation as the last one dies off (or retires). Thanks for the video.
As a historicist, there were key pieces of this presentation that makes me have to refine or change some of my views. The Pope seems to be the Image of the Beast (Papacy/Vatican), the second beast comes from the earth, and the vine of the earth is thrown into the winepress of the wrath of God, so the vine has to be false religion and therefore connected back to the pope and the papacy who are mystery babylon with a christian veil, and you cannot be more Antichrist than that.
Great presentation, thanks for sharing this video! One idea: wouldn't it get a lot more views if the title was something like "Man of Lawlessness revealed" or similar? The way it is only the people who recognize Dr. Gentry's name will click on it.
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
This was just one Sunday school class that Ken taught for us. He was actually with us for a weekend conference. Frankly, our church leaders did a lot of teaching on subjects like this and spent a great deal of time making it available. In fact, at the time, I was a regular contributor to the Chalcedon Report, R.J. Rushdoony's publication that expanded the "market" for teaching like this. I can assure you we all had attention spans far beyond 40 minutes!
You leveled some heavy accusations against this man. Quote him and then list book chapter and verse where he erred. Otherwise you are guilty of the sin of bearing a false witness.
Here's Gentry's own Confession of Faith (Westminster) on the proper interpretation of 2 Thes. 2: "There is no other Head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God." [Westminster Confession, Ch. 25, sec. 6]. Gentry has abandoned his own Confession on this issue, and has replaced it with the errors of Preterism. Does that help? *Soli Deo Gloria*
Quote the man where you say he's wrong.Then list book chapter and verse to the contrary. If you do not you are guilty of the sin of bearing a false witness.
Well as for certain it's not from the Bible because nothing (he) said was the truth except for where Paul was... I did voice print and didn't catch it!!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv "well as for certain" what are you talking about. "nothing you said was the truth" i didnt say anything. I'm not too sure what you are talking about.
@@jake13b who is the guy standing in the Holy place at the end of time! that Jesus says[ is the abomination of desolation) and that the people of Judea should flee !!!and go to the Book of Daniel to (understand what he's speaking of)... who is that guy standing in the( Holy place at the end of time)! that Jesus Christ himself told you to understand!!! that's the guy in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 !!that's the guy that is in the (Holy place in Revelations 13).. that blasphemes against it .and the people that are in heaven!!! that's the guy that is in the Holy place and stops a daily sacrifice in.Daniel 8((( at the very end of time))... Daniel 8:19 Daniel 8:17 Daniel 8:23((an Jesus Christ upon his return destroys him without hand)... Daniel 8:25.. just like it tells you in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 .(he destroys him with the spirit of his mouth )!!!are you really this blind!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Titus. (jewish wars 6.6.1) also Lk 21:20. Mathew is a jew and uses old testament hyperbolic language in the prophecies Jesus said "this generation" which was that one which would see those stones fall down. for they did in ad 70. the same "this generation" that he used in Mathew 23. then later on tells those same Pharisees that they will see him come in the clouds. which is another old testament saying for wrath. see also Amos 5:18.
I was hoping there would have been time enough to cover the false prophet forcing all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, such that he would cause to be killed as many as would not take the mark or worship the image of the beast, and then the preventing from buying or selling by anyone except they have the mark of the beast.
Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you where to go to understand this subject ..he never did.. he didn't tell you one bit of Truth.. except for Paul was at the time.
It’s a shame that very few people teach this alternative view… we are so emerged with dispensationalism, that gives nearly no room for an alternative view.. such great and important topic
As I traverse this topic, it seems to me you’re seeing a type and shadow of what happened in the past in 70 AD, however “let no man deceive you into thinking the Lord has already come” should be a hint here to keep looking further into scripture. There is more to the story.
Ive listened to a few this man's presentations and it would appesr that ALL prophecies have been fulfilled, the world is on auto pilot with no sense of where we are goimg and we have no idea what is going to happen hereafter. It would appear that all prophetic utterances written in scriptures culminared after AD 70 and the church is simply left to wait.
When did every mountain get flattened? When did the Mount of Olives split in two? When did the whole Earth stagger in its orbit like a drunkard? When were a third of the trees burned up? When did the Euphrates dry up? When did Egypt worship the true God and build a highway to Israel? When did Damascus cease to be a city? When did Persia and Rosh invade Israel? When did sin end? When was Satan bound for a 1000 years? When did the first heaven and first Earth pass away? I think there might be a few prophecies left to go.
Preterism defies reality, just like satan does. We are still in the realm of time, the sun and the moon still extant. The earth and the sky and the water is being destroyed. The man of sin is long awaited by "the chosen people" who have yet to "reveal" him. The Great White Throne is impending.
there are several points that undermine this interpretation: - he says επισυναγωγη is used in 2thess2 and hebrews. but the verbal base is used by the Lord at the end of matt24, when he will send his angels to gather his elect from the 4 corners of the world, which refers to the eschatological promise of the regathering of israel. - he says the 'now you know' means the thessalonians knew the context. but, for a start, the traduction is faulty. the greek says 'now the thing which withholds you know, towards the revealing of him in his season'. so, paul is not talking about something withholding the revealing of the man of sin, but that the thessalonians now know what's withholding the parousia and the episynagoge, namely the apostasy and the revealing of the man of sin. - he says the man of sin didn't need to enter the temple because the grammatical pattern in 2thess2.4 and luke4.29 are similar. but they are not. luke uses the prep εις which means 'with the objective of'. paul uses the avd ωστε which means 'with the result of'.
To add to this, the abomination of desolation seems to be both a person and a thing. It is extremely likely that a statute of Nero was placed in the temple and the Jews were forced to worship it or die. For Nero was said to have come back to life … so in a way, he did make it to the temple
"the jews" are still waiting for their moshiach. And the luciferians for their "world teacher" and the earth is being plunged into darkness. God will destroy the earth and Judge all mankind. This is forthcoming and has not happened yet.
This is NOT "true teaching" though! It's Jesuit-concocted Preterism. Dr. Gentry must abandon his own Confession of Faith (Westminster) in order to promulgate his Preterist nonsense. He has abandoned the Reformation on this issue, just like the Futurists have. Please don't be deceived by Dr. Gentry's falsehoods, errors, and lies. *Soli Deo Gloria*
Yes. We must keep audience relevance in mind however. Revelation is a perfect example. Jesus says starting in 1;1 it's written to 7 Jewish Christians in present day turkey. Without this, it's easy to think it's written literally & to only us
The Messiah will return at the end of time in Wrath and Judgement. Those who love darkness are waiting for it in the form of the avatar, the buddah, the maitreya, the world teacher, the "moshiach" - they are STILL waiting. The man of sin is yet to be revealed by his "chosen" people.
I respectfully disagree with several aspects of this argument. Primarily, there seems to be a tendency to force facts to fit specific interpretations. For instance, there is no linguistic evidence to support the notion that the name "Claudius" inherently means "the restrainer" in Latin; its literal meaning is "lame." Furthermore, if Nero is being identified as the "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians 2:9, the passage describes characteristics that include performing miracles and signs. Historical records do not attribute such supernatural acts to Nero. Moreover, while Nero did persecute Christians, he did not exclusively target Jews who opposed the Gospel. Lastly, regarding the events of 70 AD, it was indeed Vespasian who commanded the Roman forces during the siege of Jerusalem, not Nero.
Very good. Preterism is just one flavor of heresy that appeals to many, I have no idea why as it defies reality. The real issue is about the birthright, which was stolen and the one who stole it is still waiting for his "moshiach" along with legions of other luciferians who are waiting for the manifestation of "the world teacher", the "maitreya", the "buddah", the "avatar" etc. This is ecumenism and the whole world will follow after the beast. Rev 13.3
So gathering together to Him of 2 Thess 2, which Paul referred to in that passage as "that Day," that all Christians have been waiting for--their final redemption of their bodies (getting their resurrection bodies), is really just Christians no longer being a sect of Judaism and they can gather as one body separate from Judaism. Wow. What mental gymnastics one has to do to arrive at that. And how anticlimactic. What we thought was something so glorious is just meeting separate from Judaism because the Temple was destroyed. And as if they weren't already meeting together as a separate body.
I agree. Preterism is a defiance of reality and of God. Their "god" is satan. The whole of world history pivots on the crushing of the head of satan and his children, who have stolen the birthright, the issue of which only God can settle and He will at the end of time. That we are still residing in the realm of time is "proof" that we are not living in the Kingdom of God, which is a gross rejection of reality.
Unfortunately, this video exemplifies the major problem with most post-millennial eschatology. In order to make your theory work, you have to spiritualize the text and rely on symbolic interpretations instead of textual interpretations. Some questions for Dr. Gentry: 1. What is your basis for saying that taking his seat in the temple of God does not have to mean the one in Jerusalem? 2. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan (v. 9). How did Satan empower the rise of Nero? Gentry doesn't tell us. 3. The lawless one performs false signs and wonders (v. 9). What false signs and wonders did Nero perform? Gentry doesn't tell us. 4. The man of lawlessness perpetrates wicked deception (v. 10). What wicked deception did Nero perpetrate? Gentry doesn't tell us. 5. God sends strong delusion on people (v. 11). What strong delusion did God send in the time of Nero? Gentry doesn't tell us. 6. Why isn't it reasonable to think that Paul is writing about something that would be fulfilled centuries later, not within a few years? Isaiah prophesied that a virgin would conceive and bear a son, and would call his name Immanuel (Is. 7:14), a prophecy that wouldn't be fulfilled until Christ's birth 7 centuries later. 7. Why is the coming of Jesus Christ simply a visitation of judgment upon Jerusalem and not an actual physical coming? 8. Who says that the day of the Lord is merely the destruction of one city and not a more far-reaching judgment upon all mankind? I could go on, but this should suffice to demonstrate the significant gaps in Gentry's analysis. The pre-millennial interpretation of 2 Thes. 2 as a future event that will be fulfilled when the antichrist is revealed makes much better sense of the text. Treating it as a historical event with Nero as the man of lawlessness and the destruction of Jerusalem as the ultimate fulfillment is poor exegesis.
Preterism is so flawed, it is almost laughable. However, many are deceived by it so it must be exposed, as you say. His Kingdom is not of this world, we are still in the realm of time and lawlessness abounds. Therefore Judgement has not yet occurred and the issue of the birthright must be justified.
So when Jesus told you in Matthew 24:15..( the question was to him what happens at the end of time)!!!!!! and (he tells you the (abomination of desolation) standing in the (Holy place) and to go to the (Book of Daniel to understand it)!!! that's not Titus .
The whole problem with end time prophecy, comes down to two things... 1).... Confusing the ministries of John the Baptist and Elijah..... Matthew 1-3....... 2)....Not realizing that God "changes the times and season's", (Daniel 2) "that has been left up to the Father": Acts 1....... That is the entire problem!
@@jasonbourne5142 Jason, these two things that I mentioned, are the problem with regards to Scholars trying to figure out when Jesus Christ is coming back....
@@jasonbourne5142 John the Baptist could have fulfilled what Elijah is going to fulfill, if the Jewish Nation had accepted his message.. Jesus Christ prayer was answered (Father forgive them) however, Steven (Acts7) was rejected as well.... And this is the problem.....
The assumption of an early date for revelation which underlies the speakers view is disputed as the state of the seven churches shows a decline from Pauls epistles, as at Ephesus their love has grown cold, such a decline requires decades to eventuate. Martyrdom, new converts, and false teaching would all contribute to change, which I believe is the theme of this passage-false teachers.
Read Gentry's book, _Before Jerusalem Fell._ It's his Ph.D thesis, I believe, and is devoted entirely to why the early date for Revelation is very likely correct. It is thorough and convincing. I believe you can find the .PDF for free online.
@@seankennedy4284 The chosen people are STILL waiting for their "moschiach" along with legions of "world servants". The Kingdom of God is not of this world.
So at what point in the past did a man perform miracles and force people to take his mark like the bible predicts? At what point did the great tribulation take place at which the lord is supposed to return at the end?
It´s about the birthright and the settling of accounts, which obviously has not happened yet. People are so deceived by preterism, which is ludicrous and insulting.
Great explanation and I truly want to understand this. But can someone answer me what “coming” 2 Thessalonians Chapter 1 then refers to? Also not the second coming?
Es hat sich alles erfüllt. Die Endzeit-Rede und die Offenbarung des Johannes. Wir leben auf der Neuen Erde dem himmlischen Jerusalem. Wir sind der Tempel des Heiligen Geistes, seine Braut, das himmlische Jerusalem. Bei unseren Heimgang zum Vater, werden wir dort die Ewigkeit verbringen. Grüße
The son of perdition is not an actual person but the OC nation that didn't fulfill its mission on the earth - *The Law* (Hosea 11:1) - as opposed to the actual Son who fulfilled it all (Mat 2:15b KJV). *Php **1:28* And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: *which is to them an evident token of perdition,* but to you of salvation, and that of God. _Q: How about the _*_what withholdeth (2Th 2:6)? A: *The temple!_* *Heb **10:39* But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Praise Jesus!
bonajab It simply means after the persecutions from the Old Covenant Jews were over, those Christians who are left will be spiritually changed when the New Covenant was consummated. This is Covenantal language. They were in the process of changing from the Old and into the New Covenant. This is what Christ said about being born again. Israel needed to be spiritually reborn from above. This is what Paul meant when he said we will be changed. It was a spiritual rebirth (or changing) from the Old Covenant (physical land of Israel) and into the New Covenant (new spiritual Israel or the Christian Church which are one and the same).
bonajab in a twinkling of an eye... It is the plural. I had the born again experience and I didn't see anyone else experiencing it with me. It also refers to the dead being raised. It is certainly not the born again experience.
ByEveryWordOfGod The amount of false doctrine surrounding this rapture is vast. Pretrib and zionism seem to be linked to dispensationalism. I suggest anyone with eyes to still see go to Dayz of Noah' s Media and Generations. Also look into NASA fraud... there are literally thousands of misques in their own video's. After ( and for the blind... if) you are are convinced they are lying see a video called The Kabbalistic seeds of astrophysics evolution and quantum mechanics by the Truth is Stranger than fiction. I also recommend Daylight Rider who I just happened on. The amount of deception is very high .. after satan took control of ciricullum in education and in many seminaries, as well as our medias. For dispensationalism I recommend Bruce Gore Dispensationalism in America. Jesus said my people perish for lack of knowledge. Luke 8 17 ... all things will be made known .. but 1 Cor 2 14 ... The things of the Spirit of God are foolishness to the natural man. This is why we are so blind as a society.
The Apostle's whole point was that the day of the Lord was NOT at hand. If Paul was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD then the language should have been different in that it, the day of the Lord was near. 2Ths 2:2: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand." What follows is a prophecy of the Papacy and strong delusion of works religion.
Yes. The day of the Lord was NOT at hand. And His Kingdom is not of the world, which is recklessly lawless. The issue of the stolen birthright has yet to be avenged and Esau is still waiting for his moshiach, which alot of people do not even know. Look up Noahides.
Jesus told people how to understand this in Matthew 24:15 .the guy never went there .he doesn't know what he's talking about. I've studied this prophecy for 50 years. I know this like the back of my hand. .this guy's sent to you from the Devil Himself.
Video time @24:35... this guy reads the day of the Lord Jesus Christ as the day of the Lord... where as 2 thess2:2 very clearly says the day of Christ... That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand... also ghe verse says the day of Christ is at hand. But he reads as the day of Christ has already come.. lot of differences between at hand and has come... these things may look small but makes a big misunderstanding.. this person maybe right in explaining few things... but one must know that bible prophecies can have the parallel fulfilment in past and future also.. for example Daniel's ch9 70th weeks prophecy has already fulfilled by Jesus Christ and also has a future parallel fulfilment of the 70th weeks (7years) prophecy in which 3.5years by the 2 witnesses and 3.5years by the antichrist in future in revelation....
Both ...(it's the Christians filled with the Holy Spirit)!! they're raptured ..in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4.. this guy's probably not going to tell you that. because (he doesn't believe the truth of the Bible )!! [not one thing he said here is true ]..Jesus tells you to understand this subject ,by going to Matthew 24:15 and (he sends you to the Book of Daniel to understand the abomination of desolation at the end of time. the first place it's written is in Daniel 8) and it's written( five more places in the Book of Daniel .).this guy is getting paid by somebody to lie to you.
A few errors: - The Thessalonians didn't know who the man of lawlessness was - they knew who was restraining (preventing) his appearance - the Roman Emperor had to give way to the Holy Roman Emperor, the occupant of the Papacy. - The Book of Revelation was given to the churches in Old Testament symbolism. What is the Temple gathering in the New Covenant - the Christian church. The man of sin will stand in a Christian church and declare himself God. It's a no brainer since the 5th century who he is. He won't be revealed to the world and destroyed until the Second (and only) return of Jesus Christ, so he's still standing in that church today calling himself the blasphemous “Infallible Word God”. - That man will appear AFTER a great falling away from the faith. When did the churches fall away before 70 AD? Contraire, they were adding great numbers everyday and dying for the faith. It happened beginning in the 2nd century with the rise of the early suggestions of a Trinity Godhead, adding another spirit person to rival the only Holy Spirit, the Father, and culminated in the organization of the church/state of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Apostasy Paul spoke of is her idol worship of Babylonian, Egyptian gods, and the renaming of pagan Roman gods as Jesus, Mary Joseph, Apostles, and Saints to deceive the masses. (Today, almost every Protestant denomination has signed peace agreements with Rome that the protest against her has ended. Thus, the Apostasy is complete). Christ will return anytime. - Full Preterism is the Gospel of the Jesuits (as well as Futurism), you might want to repent of teaching it).
Here's Gentry's own Confession of Faith (that he claims to hold to): Westminster Confession, Ch. 25, sec. 6, "There is no other Head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God." Ken Gentry DENIES his own Confession of Faith because of his presupposition of Preterism. The authors of the Confession were right; Gentry is WRONG. *Soli Deo Gloria*
His explanation of 2Thess 2:1 threw me off. Seriously? This is clearly talking about the Parousia of Christ. His physical coming and our gathering to meet him. This takes a queue from the ancient practice were the citizens of a town or city go out to meet a very important person outside the city gates and usher him into the city. This was the same thing Paul communicated when he was teaching on the snatching away and being caught up in 1Thess 4:13-18.
Thanks for posting! Nero was a dumpster fire. Evil enough to be in Scripture. He also fulfills the "not lover of women". He was a gay actor that MADE ppl watch his shows!
That, 'not a lover of women' quote is a disputed translation of meaning. Check all the different translated versions and make your own mind in the Spirit. Same goes for many things that people blindly accept.
Will apparently you're making Jesus Christ out a liar in Matthew 24:15!!!.. when he says it happens (at the very end of time)!!! and go to the Book of Daniel to understand the subject.!
@@godisreality7014 Yes, the Papal system is from Babylon/Bavel/Babel; the Pontifex Maximus and the priests who elect him are the Dagon worship from Babylon. Christendom, the progeny of the false Roman church is, I believe, the woman, the prostitute, Babylon in Rev 17. The 'little horn' also known as the antichrist is a kingdom of man/mankind which arises amongst the 'ten kings/kingdoms' (which represent world government as symbolized by the number ten - government). The 'eleventh' little kingdom grows so powerfull, symbolized by displacing three others and, thereby, becoming 'an eighth kingdom which belings to the seven'. It is also 'the kingdom which was wounded by the sword, but lived' when God went down to Babel and 'wounded mankind's effort to unite in rebellion to God. It is also symbolized as being the resurrected kingdom, by being given the number eight and called the kingdom 'which once was, now is not, but would come again' as the resurrected kingdom of Babel/Babylon; the resurrected attempt by mankind to again unite in rebelluon to God, his 'wound of dispersion' having been healed, mankind is again in rebellion (apostasia) to rule himself as his own lord and master of his own destiny (equal with God) apart from God the Creator and his Messiah.
It is being manifested that the "man of lawlessness" who is coming is a DESTROYER for he shall destroy those "so-called gods" and every false doctrine he shall annihilate-this is the brightness of his coming for he shall reveal hidden things regarding the "mystery of Christ"...this other Christ who is coming is the other self of Christ or the alter-ego...the world does not know him that is why this world of sins and sinners cannot accept him...
How about you take the time to explain what is YOUR explanation of this chapter/topic instead of just plastering ungodly comments and accusations on this feed about 50+ times, but never give a counter argument as to why this man's explanation is wrong?
@@christalone71 if you read all of them you should have seen where it's found!! why did you not do that!!( Jesus tells you in Matthew 24:15 it is found in the Book of Daniel and you need understanding do you have that?.when he said that.. the New Testament was not written ..are you getting this.. so far? he's speaking of the[ abomination of desolation standing in the [Holy place) at the end of time ..he tells you to go to the Book of Daniel to (understand) what it says ..are you too blind to do that!?? See when you call somebody (arrogant) before you actually have addressed them before you do that ...can you imagine my attitude at this point... but I can deal with that ..Daniel 8 is the first place it's written.. it's about the Antichrist at the end of time. the agreement for Daniel 8 ..(is Daniel 9:27) the space of time is 2520 days )to know that you have to understand Daniel 9! Daniel 9 lets.you know when this takes place ..Daniel 8 says it happens at the ?very end of time Daniel 8:19 Daniel 817 Daniel 8:23) and Jesus Christ destroys him with the spirit of his mouth.. in 2nd Thessalonians 2 (this guy does not tell you that)!!! read it ..Daniel 8..says he destroys him without hand)[ Daniel 8:25] that's if you have the ability to understand the word meanings of these texts ..it is what's written about this guy the (abomination of desolation) which is Revelations 13 and Revelations chapter 11 the Antichrist (at the very end of time) now I can explain every little detail to you but that's about all you really do need to know. to let you know this guy's not telling you the truth!
@@christalone71 did you say ungodly comments!?? It makes me angry.. when the devil sends somebody to lie..( about the word of God) did you say ungodly!?
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Yes. You are ungodly. Your anger isn't of a righteous nature because you make a lot of wicked statements about a servant of God, whom you do not know. It is quite dangerous to call other Christians all the things you call Mr. Gentry. You need to repent.
@@christalone71 the guy is not a servant of God !!!( In the process he destroyed the prophecy of 1st Thessalonians chapter 4..). and you wasted 40 Years of your life doing nothing apparently!!! I gave you enough information if you were Christian .you would understand it. Jesus spoke harsher to the Pharisees who had it all in the bag too .are you going say he was ungodly?
Under Nero, mark of the beast, people had to make an incense offering to him before going into the market. After which, they would receive a smear of the ash on their forehead. Prophecy fulfilled.
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
Jesus warned everyone to flee Judea if they should see the abomination of desolation from Daniel at the Temple. According to Gentry, that prophesy was fulfilled in 70 AD, but the church had actually fled several years earlier because Jesus warned everyone in Luke 21 to flee when they saw armies surrounding Jerusalem, and that happened in 66 AD, then the Romans left for several years and the church fled. Another problem with every preterist interpretation is the fact that it was impossible to flee when the Romans approached Jerusalem in 70 AD because Jewish forces had already closed the city to prevent anyone defecting, then the Romans built a siege wall around the city wall to prevent anyone escaping. And by the time the Romans reached the Temple, where they could have conceivably fulfilled the abomination prophesy but didn't, most Jews had already been killed from from violence, disease or starvation.
Nero was not the man of lawlessness. Nero never sat in the temple of Jerusalem. The man of lawlessness was a Jewish leader who sat in the temple. The Jews never worshipped any Roman leaders. The Jews looked for a Jewish messiah to defeat the Romans. That man of lawlessness was one of their leaders who sat in the Temple in 66-70AD before it was destroyed by the Romans.
@GoodNews4You May I share my thoughts about that? The son of perdition is not an actual person but the OC nation that didn't fulfill its mission on this earth - *The Law* (Hosea 11:1) - as opposed to the actual Son who fulfilled it all (Mat 2:15b). *Php **1:28* And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: *which is to them an evident token of perdition,* but to you of salvation, and that of God. _Q: How about the _*_what withholdeth (2Th 2:6)? A: *The temple!_* *Heb **10:39* But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul. Praise Jesus!
You are correct. Man of lawlessness is Eleazar Ben Simon. The restrainer was Herod Agrippa II. This Herod was also the second anointed one in Daniel 9:26. He was "cut off", "taken out of the way" (2 Thess. 2:7) which led to to the cessation of the sacrifice in the middle of the last seven. (Daniel 9:27)
You made that up. No where did SCRIPTURES ever say Christ was Coming 3 or 4 times with judgement? The SCRIPTURES clearly shows the Second Coming and Judgement occurring with the destruction of the temple in 70 ad. If not show me with SCRIPTURES.
@@carlosv6813 yes. Jesus said He was coming back as the Father to judge Israel "guilty of all the innocent blood " and prophets. He certainly did. To understand what "day of the Lord " means, the old testament explains it.
This guy's from the Devil Himself .he doesn't know this prophecy. I've studied it for 50 years .you got to start right where Jesus tells you to start.. Matthew 24:15 ..he tells you to go( to the Book of Daniel to understand that .)..nobody on here knows what he's saying.
Revelation was written AFTER the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. 90 AD approx. Same is the case with both letters to the Thessalonians, 2 Timothy, and 2 Peter. All speak of future events that can't fit the preterist viewpoint. Furthermore, there were 70 weeks (groups of 7 years) for the nation of Israel. There were 69 till the fall of the temple in 70 AD. Where's the last week??? This passage is only difficult if you try to put it into the preterist perspective. Otherwise, it's quite plain. Heed not those who have an APPEARANCE of godliness, but deny the future coming of our Lord, saying that "since the father's(of the church) have slept, all things remain the same... Avoid such. Teaching after his own wants, and not according to Christ (and what He taught).
Read Gentry's book about the dating of the book of Revelation. After all the evidence is heard, a date prior to 70AD is most likely. BTW, I used to argue strongly for 95 AD date.
@@OC3707 If you look at history, Domitian was the emperor who started using the island of Patmos as a prison. Not before. His rule began in 92. Gentry seems to have failed here, with all due respect, and there are many other respected historians and theologians who support this evidence. If Christ's first coming was in physical, literal form, why would we doubt His second coming to be so? It's not spiritual or figurative. He will set foot on the Mount of Olives, and it will be split! Physically and literally! That has not yet taken place.
With all do respect, this is not correct. The revealing of the lawless one and the great apostasy has not happen. Did you see the Lord coming on the clouds with 10,000 x 10,000 angels and destroy the beast with his brightness and breath of his coming? 70 ad destruction of the temple was no longer God's temple since we are the temple of God.
We are still in the realm of satan, the realm of "time", which is all he has, that is why he is attempting to "save" it and reverse historical prophecy to impede the coming of Christ.
This guy clearly doesn't understand this passage. He spent most of the video speaking of Revelation passages and when he got around to 2 Thess. 2 he acted confused, never addressing the passage, just giving you his thoughts on it, which didn't explain anything coherently.
ByEveryWordOfGod he’s taking a long time to say one thing because his view is not the ‘popular’ view. So he has to lay a foundation before he names a figure in the past as the man of lawlessness. He does a great job of immersing us in the current affairs of the time so that we might see the punch of Paul’s prophetic insight as he arms the believers to withstand temptataion to go back to Judaism.
The reason it makes no sense. as he didn't start where Jesus told you to start he tells you how to understand this prophecy in Matthew 24:15 .he never started there. and he doesn't know what Jesus told him to do ,with this subject.
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
Before digging into the subject matter , first let us define what "lawlessness" is? If one transgresses the law , that is lawlessness. However there is another meaning of "lawlessness" which is not easily seen and understood ! And this other meaning is exactly opposite that of the first. If the first meaning is the transgressing of the law , then its opposite is the absence of transgression of the law because if one is not under the law and the law is not applicable to him , then he is said to be in a state of lawlessness! And who is the only one who is not under the law , that the law does not apply to him? Who is that? He is the Lord , yes , he is the only one who is not under the law! And because of that , he can never sin! So in this regard , "lawlessness" takes another meaning which connotes the state of being "sinless". There is no law to accuse him because the law simply does not apply to him! Therefore, in the Lord "lawlessness" is "sinless-ness". This is the one who is coming to destroy those who are in the first meaning of lawlessness-the sinners of the world!
Sorry, I must tell you this brother. There's no such thing as a man of lawlessness in scripture. It's the man of sin. The word lawlessness is inserted into scripture to replace the word iniquity. And they don't even come close to having the same meaning. Lawlessness means there is no law enforced. Iniquity means being deceived by lies and deception.
Respectfully, but, really don't you realize the amount of cherry picking and forced interpretation you're using in order to hold an evidently WRONG position? Dispensationalism is also wrong, of course, but preterism? Really?
First thing first. No true follower of Jesus Christ should ever think of making fun of another person as this guy did at about the 2 minute mark. This was just the first incident because he does it again right at the end of the video when he says, "this evil man", referring to the person in charge of the meeting.
@@jasonbourne5142 . . beginning at the 1:45 mark, Mr. Gentry said, "Now we are going to be speaking about the man of lawlessness this morning and so if you recognize Craig in this you probably are right on target and you'll notice he stepped out of the room before I said that." Then of course you hear a few people laughing in the background. But my point is, I wonder how the guy named Craig feels about this?
@@jasonbourne5142 . . Exactly my point! Do you believe this is something that is appropriate, especially from the pulpit? When we belittle others, then we feel that we have been lifted up higher then them. Matthew 16: 24-25
When ever Paul writes of the temple he is referring to the Christian church, never to the edifice in Jerusalem. He always sees the tabernacle of the new covenant in heaven. He knows that God has left the old temple, and that it has no significance. When we read then of the man of sin presenting himself he is talking of false teachers in the assembly, even as John in describing the spirit of antichrist, coming out from among them. The son of perdition is Judas, that it is mentioned here shows we are dealing with a class of people, not a single entity. It cannot be a heathen, as Judas was an apostate from the covenant people. He is writing to Greeks who have no connection to the Levitical city, Christs command to flee has no meaning for them, as it does to the Hebrews, where the language is all of no certain dwelling place, no continuing city, in view of that imminent tribulation which befell them. John had no reason to leave Jerusalem until that time, after which he assumed Paul’s old circuit in Asia Minor, which Tertullian called John’s nurselings.
the man of sin is SATAN, who will manifest and proffer his mark. He will sacrifice a child to the golden calf in the public square and Messiah will return in Wrath, end the realm of time and Judge the quick and the dead and RESTORE all things.
Dr. Gentry exposed a lot of good stuff then he shipwrecked the subject blaming the man of sin on Nero when it was Simon Bar Giora that fulfilled the prophecy!! Simon Bar Giora took the Jewish apostasy all the way to its logical end and after the Temple had burned and exploded he came out of the hole where the Holy of Holies was wearing a royal cape! Nero died two years before the destruction of Jerusalem and never came anywhere near the Second Temple which means this talk went sideways.
You shouldn't lie like that .Jesus told you how to find the truth in Matthew 24: 15 and he tells you it's found in the Book of Daniel. but you have to have( understanding) do you have that!
Concerning 2 Thessalonians 2:2 you are reading the wrong interpretation. In the King James Version it says THE DAY OF CHRIST. I Googled that phrase and it says “the rapture”. So we will know who the Antichrist is before the rapture. I can see why God will allow this. Many more nonbelievers will come to Christ because what will happen is in the Bible already.
You're not understanding (verse 7) in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 (. The rapture)( He) the people ,and the Holy Spirit )!!!!have to be( removed before the guy in verse 8 can be revealed!)
@@jimbob1644 The "holy" people are determined by God through tribulation. Read Matthew 24. And look up Noahide Laws. The tribulation is FOR those who would be saints.
Not sure how you weave in political apostasy. I also do not see anything in scripture that says there will be an end to history...otherwise...I enjoyed the teaching. I disagree that the man of lawlessness is Nero for a few reasons - I think it was one of the Zealot leaders and if you check on history, you will see how there was a great deal of upheaval amongst the Jewish leaders. Where in scripture does Nero SIT IN THE TEMPLE?
Jesus tells you how to understand this in Matthew 24:15. he tells you to go to the (Book of Danie)!!! and is about the (very end of time )!!the first place is written is in (Daniel 8 )the next place it's more clear is Daniel 11 verse 21)[ to the end ].(it pertains to the [children ]of Daniel .42 months of time at the [very end of time] Daniel 12. Daniel 8:19 Daniel 8:17 Daniel 8:23 speaking of the (Antichrist at the end of time )!!that is (2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 )!that is the guy standing in the (Holy place )!in Matthew 24:15.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv No - it is the end of the age and the end of the old covenant. It depends on which bible you are reading; however, the King James has misinterpreted many of the words.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv No, he came exactly when He said He would - in the clouds - the same way he left. Show me in scripture where Jesus said He would return in the flesh...His sacrifice was enough and we are in His kingdom NOW.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv I would suggest you read scripture a little more closely. However, I do not wish to have disagreements of any sort with others who love God and want to follow His commandments. We are to love one another as He loves us. I pray for all of us that we receive understanding from the Lord and truth. As the disciples were looking into the clouds when Jesus left, the angel asked what they were looking at and told them that Christ would return in the same way. Read the books written by Josephus - quite remarkable history. God bless.
@@kelliea5729 you're not telling the truth ..[Jesus says the abomination of desolation is written by The Book of Daniel ]!!!!!!Daniel 8 is the first place this conversation starts!! until you understand Daniel eight you have no credibility!!!
The resurection has not passed.Jesus is the resurection. Blessed are all who have part in the first resurection.after the first resurectiin, then the dead will be raised and judged.there is more than just passed fulfillment. The world now is worshiping or hating the resurected state of israel. False peace will come in the false resurection, and all the world will turn on believers. Jesus will return after the fallung away., and the man of sin is revealed.the son of God and his body are saved..the Son of Perdition and all in his body will be destroyed. He wrote the end from the begining.cain and able are pictures of the body of christ and the son of perdition.
"Man of Lawlessness" is a misleading ohrase. It should ne "Man of Torahlessness". The speaker is Paul, a trained Pharisee, a Jew, an observer of the Scripture. The Messiah and all his earliest followers know that the Law is Torah! The earliest followers were NOT Christians. They were the Way or the Natsarim Sect of 1st Century Judaism. Christianity is the Powerful Delusion. It is the apostate church in contrast to the Natsarim Sect.
All these glowing comments to the side, I’m not convinced at all. He assumes certain premises that inexorably lead him to his conclusions. I just don’t buy his premises.
This was a very short Sunday school lesson which he had to go through very quickly. If you want to know more, you can read his book "He Shall Have Dominion" and maybe you will be convinced then. Also there are lots of videos about this view (partial preterist) on the internet. I hope you get it all sorted out, as I am trying to do and finally making some progress.
The the guy is a joke.he's been sent to you by the Devil himself.. I've studied that for 50 years.. he's not even in the right chapters to explain this the Bible interprets itself completely!!!! ( it's a prophecy of Daniel 8.) In Revelation chapter 11. Which the last half of Revelation 11 . Is Revelations 13: 5... Right where Jesus told you you would go to (understand it in Matthew 24:15!)..
Wow, so many assumptions, such poor hermenuetics. And this is a thinly veiled antisemetic position to hold. Just all around bad. One of the assumptions is that God could not bring the Jews back to their own land and they would rebuild the Temple in the future, but we see the steps for this happening even now. God has brought the Jews back to the land which He gave to them for all time.
That "antisemitism" comment has been tried before but it gets old and is dishonest (which im sure you know). Take a look at the church father's, reformers, puritans, and men of God today against the false doctrine of dispensationalism you hold to. What jews are you talking about? There's more on the east coast of the US than live in Israel by the way.
First of all, the enemy always says “ Did God really say...” Do you doubt what you have been reading for years now? Well guess what? God really did say it. You can bank on it. This man is very misleading
99% of the churches today, preachers on the internet, seminaries, modern books teach daniel's 70th week was not fulfilled by Jesus. Even me growing up being taught somewhat historical protestant, all that influence around me got me to assume a futurist viewpoint, because "if everyone is teaching it, that must be accepted and right, there is hardly any dispute, and i never hear an alternative teaching". So we must always be careful in thinking what we understand is actually what is there. I'm sure many people loved Trump cause he let them stay home cause of a common cold and get big checks while "essential workers" were forced to work without any extra pay. Sounds so great and sweet until you REALLY KNOW what it is truly doing. Many people are not comprehending what is actually in the scripture, and there is so much influence in this world to hinder understanding.
@@DJLiquidSmooth so what Trump did what is it truly doing? could you interpret Daniel 9 for me?. And what Jesus tells you to understand about the (abomination of desolation )in Matthew 24:15 ..and go to the Book of Daniel to do it.
Ken...with all due respect - you misunderstand the main points of scripture / especially prophecy.....The Man of sin is the Pope or the Papacy according to Protestantism
Its the trinity doctrine of Rome. Yeshua never claimed to be God. Once you figure it out, the daystar will begin to rise in your heart. The spirit of truth will come to you. Romans 1:3-4 proves who Yeshua really is and when he was declared the firstbegotten son of many sons.
Who is the [I am] that's speaking to Moses[ the I am that sent] who sent who? Exodus 3:14 who's the[ Lord that sits next to my Lord in Psalms 110]?? Jesus said( I am before Abraham) notice the word (I am )John chapter 8: 58 that's why the Jews wanted to kill him.( apparently you still do)!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Jesus Christ is God, yes. All cults deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. They deny that God can be man, because they believe man IS a god.
The "daystar" is not satan or lucifer but God Almighty. The firstborn is the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 13.8, 1 Peter 1.19. Your god is satan. Obviously trinity is pagan, it goes back to hindu serpent worship. Our God is ONE. Deut 6.4, Mark 12.29
@@godisreality7014 God is not a man. Hosea 11:9. God becomes flesh when anyone chosen by YHWH is begotten by his incorruptible seed. When his spirit regenerates your dead spirit then you become a divine elohim not Elohim. Learning Hebrew and Greek is helpful when studying the bible.
Dr. Gentry is a GIFT to the church! I am so deeply thankful for his teaching!
He's heretical and confused!
Ken Gentry denies his own Confession of Faith (Westminster), which interprets 2 Thes. 2 accurately:
"There is no other Head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God."
[Westminster Confession, Ch. 25, sec. 6].
Gentry denies this, and holds to Preterism, as opposed to the Historicism of the Reformation.
There is a reason to lament his errors.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
@@ryangallmeier6647Dr. Gentry's PARTIAL preterism is not heresy. Pastors do not have to agree with every word of the confession. I believe that church presbyters or whoever interviews candidates for the pastorate asks them to explain if/why they disagree with any part of the confession, and the presbyters determine whether the candidate's belief is beyond the pale of orthodoxy. (I heard this from a Matthew Everhard YT video.) Not every aspect of the WCF is essential belief. Some scripture passages are unclear, even mysteries, as Dr. Gentry states.
@@keiththompson2851How?
@@LucianaPelota It's hypocritical for Gentry to claim to hold to the Westminster Confession of Faith, and then teach contrary to what it clearly says about 2 Thes. 2, and the identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition".
It's not that "Some Scripture passages are unclear," that's not what Gentry is saying. He's saying that the Westminster Confession is wrong/incorrect/in error in its statements about 2 Thes. 2.
That's my contention with Gentry: hypocrisy!
Make sense? See where I'm coming from?
Let me know.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
Finally this passage makes sense and is no longer a mystery to me.
Thanku Ken Gentry and thanku Jesus !!👍
But he didn't tell you the truth
Just what is the truth, Mary? You are not actually showing us why he is not telling us the truth. I would like to hear where he is wrong or lying, with some scriptural proof. @@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv "I'm going to present an interpretation that I hope you will research and consider, but I admit this is a difficult passage, and I don't pretend to know it all." - It does sound to me like you're the one who's not being honest with the faithful.
@@qazyman researched it for 50 years. what do you want to know.
@@qazyman you really shouldn't speak on something that you don't know what you're doing. you've just admitted you don't know what you're doing.
This was pretty great. This man worked line by line through the text and made very reasonable arguments. I'm currently leaning postmill and 2 Thess. 2 was one of the obstacles holding me back. Will continue studying and I'll definitely be seeking resources from him.
2 Thess. 2 has also been one of the more difficult passages for me to reconcile w postmil view. Im still investigating but Gentry does make a good case here for his view
@John 3:19 What point are you trying to make? Please answer that first question, but I just wanted to say that Jesus did say that His kingdom had entered into the world in a number of places. Look at Luke 11:20 and compare Matthew 13:24-29 with verses 36-43
@@marvinbarrera2856 you can be postmil and see man if sin as future some have. I think the hood man of sin comes after the 1000 years or something like that.
He give a bunch of lines .(but he skipped a lot of word. And (added a lot of stuff.) what he told you is not the truth!
@@marvinbarrera2856 yeah but Jesus Christ says the (abomination of desolation) that is( standing in the Holy place). You in Matthew 24:15 the people in Judea should flee))! Those are( not gentiles)!! They they are the ( elect )spoken of in a couple verses later!.( which is 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2. Happens at the very end of time!. And( He tells you to go to the Book of (Daniel) to ((((understand!!!!))) what is what He is saying.in.. Matthew 24:15.( This guy never did that )!!! ...(he's not telling you the truth)!!!. Daniel 8 is the first place it's written about.!! It's the agreement of Daniel 9:27.. to make that( sanctuary) happen for the Antichrist !!..an the peace of the Middle East at the end of time. !!Which is Daniel 9::27 the last space of time (allotted to the Jewish people as Daniel 9 says!!). They're back in their land since 1948. They still want a temple this is (not about salvation)!!!!! this is about the Antichrist making the agreement at the end of time. ..Which is what Revelations 11 and. Revelation 13 verse 5 is about for the last 42 months of time. He gets people to worship Him ...and Jesus Christ destroys him with the spirit of his mouth in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2....( In Daniel 8 ,,it is verse Daniel 8:25 )..Upon his return its future! It's real simple to understand because (every prophecy that's written in the Bible..( pertains to this guy.) I've only given you one there are six more!
Great explanation of the scripture. I am glad I listened to his explanation of The Revelation first. I listened a few times and reread Revelation. Now I get it, Revelation is the key, for me anyway. Thank you for posting this excellent video. Peace
Thank you for pointing out Dan 9:24 "There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the transgression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite," This puts a time stamp on it. This has to be the beginning of the New Covenant and the end of the Old. I live in much greater peace now. This truly is good news. Thanks again.
Joshua Thompson
Yes indeed, particularly Dan 9:27 which is the foundation of dispensationalism - this is where they get the “seven year tribulation” from and they have been mistakenly taught to think an antichrist character confirms a peace deal with Israel 2000+ years into an unknown future, and thus detaching the 70th week from the previous 69. (Remember Jesus telling Peter to forgive his brother 70x7 times.......)
They miss out on the beauty of a fulfilled Messianic prophecy ♥️
Days of Vengeance by David Chilton is really good too
How does he interpret the 1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time' prophecy (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5; cf. also Dan. 7:25)?
Does he interpret it as a Preterist, or Futurist, both of whom think that the 1,260 days is a literal 3.5 years?
Or, does he interpret it PROPERLY, like our Protestant forefathers of old, as DAY=YEAR?
John Gill (1697-1771) demonstrated the widely-held view amongst Bible-believing Christians of the Reformation and post-Reformation era; Gill's commentary on Rev. 11:2 is helpful here:
"and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months... which being reduced to years, make just three years and a half: but then this date cannot be understood strictly and literally; for such a term can never be sufficient for the whore's reign, who was to rule over the kings of the earth, and all nations were to drink of the wine of her fornication: this is too short a time for her to gain so much power, honour, and riches in, as the 13th, 17th, and 18th chapters of this book show, as well as too short for the afflictions and persecutions of the saints by her; wherefore this must be understood prophetically of so many months of years; and a month with the Chaldeans consisting of thirty days, and a year of 360 days, which account Daniel used, and John after him, forty two months, reckoning a day for a year, after the prophetic style, make 1260 years..."
Preterists and Futurist BOTH deny that we ought to use the day=year principle in prophetic interpretation.
This is a MAJOR mistake.
Questions?
Let me know.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
@@janedow9782 the guy lied to you I've studied this prophecy for nearly fifty years he's not telling you the truth
This is an excellent teaching!
YES - And it's ALL
Bibical... 🖒 ... 😊 ...
Just not one bit of truth about it except for Paul was at the time
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvwhy don’t you write an email to Dr. Gentry and invite him to debate? Or better of in you own TH-cam channel take the time to explain step by step with biblical support where is Dr. Gentry mistaken? That’s a fare thing to do, do not refer to him as a heretical man or worst. Just do what’s right and orderly.
@@yresa15 I'm only speaking from my phone .and anything that I say from the Bible that's the truth.( that he doesn't like)!!!( they erase immediately)! so what do you expect I'm supposed to do? The man's not Christian!
great teaching. Thanks Dr. Gentry! The Lord bless you and keep you.
The guy doesn't know prophecy get away from this guy
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvtell me about prophecy?
I have heard this once or twice before but I needed a refresher 😉 Spot on Kenneth Gentry you da man👍
But these new Preterists make the same mistake as Dispensational Futurists, don't they?
Example: BOTH groups interpret the "temple" in 2 Thes. 2, LITERALLY.
Preterists claim that Paul was speaking of the literal temple that was still standing at the time.
Futurists claim that Paul was speaking of a 3rd, rebuilt temple off in the future, even from our own time.
Naw, the Reformation and post-Reformation writers has it right. They weren't Preterists, and they weren't Futurists, either.
Dr. Gentry is INCORRECT in his interpretation of 2 Thes. 2:3-4, the "temple," and the proper identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition".
Questions?
Let me know.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
@@ryangallmeier6647 your comment makes no sense
@@ryangallmeier6647
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The only truth he you told you .is where Paul was. everything else is a lie.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Arrogant. You keep plastering rude comments all over the place and you don't give ANY Scriptural support for whatever it is that your views are.
making some great points. resonable views. this makes sense. love all the history made alive backing the teaching and ties the scriptures and history into a workable bundle. thank you
The devil could do it as good as he did
Very helpful lecture. Many thanks.
Not one bit of truth to it
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
How can the church disagree with this? What is going on? We live in a very strange day in age. Sense is not much welcome it seems.
Disagree with what, exactly?
Dr. Gentry's high-Preteristic views?
Because they are fallacious.
Just like the Dispensational Futurist view of 2 Thes. 2, the "temple," and the identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition".
Notice that BOTH Preterists and Futurists hold the same view of the "temple" in 2 Thes. 2?
Both groups claim that Paul is talking about a LITERAL temple:
Preterists think Paul is talking about the temple that was still standing;
Futurists claim that Paul was talking about a temple that will be rebuilt in the future.
Both of these interpretations are fallacious.
Just as they are both wrong in their interpretations of the identity of the "man of sin, son of perdition".
Questions?
Let me know.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
@@ryangallmeier6647 do your interpretation is that they are both hyperbolic? I disagree, but I'm willing to hear you out.
@@michaelnapper4565 Not sure what you're asking; but, my point is that both Preterists and Futurists interpret the "temple" (2 Thes. 2) as LITERAL.
Whereas the Reformation and post-Reformation writers were well-aware that what Paul meant by "temple" in 2 thes. 2:4 was the CHURCH.
The "man of sin, son of perdition" would sit in the CHURCH of CHRIST (the "temple"), claiming himself to be god...etc.
Preterists and Futurists interpret Paul's "temple" as literal, not as representative of the CHURCH.
That's why the authors of the Westminster and 1689 Baptist Confessions (both Reformed confessions, by the way) in their chapters "On The Church" gave 2 Thes 2:3-4 as a reference citation.
Does that make sense?
Let me know.
Here all day.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
@@ryangallmeier6647 I am unfamiliar with that interpretation, which surprises me. So let me ask, if that is the case, that the temple means church, then we are awaiting a very dangerous man that will deceive the church? Say the Antichrist?
Do you think that Revelation is describing events behind us, or in front of us?
@@michaelnapper4565 Yet, it was once the most common interpretation of 2 Thes. 2:3-4 amongst nearly all groups of Bible-believing Christians during and after the Reformation time period.
We've lost the battle for Eschatology to the Preterists and Futurists.
The "man of sin, son of perdition" (aka. the "little horn" of Dan. 7; aka. the "sea beast" of Rev. 13:1-10) already rose to power, persisted for 1,260 literal YEARS before receiving its "deadly wound," which has been healing ever since.
We already know the identity of the Antichrist.
The book of Revelation depicts events that began in John's day and continue until the 2nd Advent of Christ...and beyond.
There are Historical markers (time-specific prophecies) that we can look at for certain, Historical incidents that Revelation describes.
The 1,260 days/42 months/'time, times, half a time' prophecy, for example. This prophecy is found in Rev. 11, 12, and 13 (as well as in Daniel, twice). It's found 5 times in Revelation.
I would say this specific time prophecy is pretty important, agreed?
We can look at it, if you like.
Let me know.
It was really cool to watch this because I already arrived at this exact conclusion a few years ago and it was totally incidental. I wasn’t even trying to find a reason to disbelieve the premillennial-dispensational view of this passage. I was doing some historical research on Nero and the Roman emperors and during one video, it mentioned Nero’s rise to power, and I remembered this passage. It sounded like a perfect fit, and so out of sheer curiosity, I looked at one of my study bibles for the date of 2 Thessalonians and it matched perfectly. So this was definitely a cool video to watch to confirm that I wasn’t the only one who came to this conclusion. And this only provided even more information to confirm my conviction. Thank you!
Apparently it wasn't God showing it to you then.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv You are very arrogant as are most dispensationalists I've encountered, online and also in real life. Maybe you should repent of your pridefulness, which God HATES.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvwhy so?
@@Jus4kiks this site will not let anybody speak back to you
This site will not let anybody respond to you they don't want difference of opinion
We must be as the Bereans and careful to study and compare what we hear from others with scripture for ourselves.
Absolutely! Always verify.
Spot on Dr Gentry! I am most perplexed why others say you are still not a full preterist. You seem like one to me. :-) The Lord bless you and keep you.
He said several times that the Lord is coming at the end of history. That's what makes him a partial preterist. A full preterist believes ALL prophecy has been fulfilled and things will continue on as is forever.
May Father YAHweh bless your understanding.
Stop ignoring Jesus
The guy has no clue about the prophecy is lying through the whole thing
In accordance with this whole message and 2 thessalonians 2:12, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I loosen condemnation on all who have pleasure in unrigtheousness, while I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those being unrigtheous, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
This is excellent, thanks for posting. Gentry is a very good scholar.
But he denies his own Confession of Faith (Westminster) on this vital issue.
They were right; Gentry is in grave error, here.
And, he's leading Christians astray with his Preterist errors.
Although I don't agree 100%. I'm at around 98%. That was an excellent teaching
Does anyone have the outline for this teaching? The on that Pastor Gentry mentioned at the beginning?
One of the great errors and problems in Biblical Hermeneutics is that most people don't even know what it means, and for those who know, they don't understand the basics of Hermeneutics is that we have to read the Scriptures with a view towards how is the writer meaning what is written and how would the hearers/readers have understood the letter/passage. Additionally the context, both immediate and broader must be considered, and the Bible is its own interpreter. Many other rules exist, but these are of paramount importance in the proper meaning of the Scriptures. God has not given us His word to confuse us, but rather to reveal His will to us. Laziness and ignorance are not valid reasons to take God's Name in vain by attributing to Him, what He has not intended.
What the text meat then, is what it means today..it could mean more but it surely does not mean less..historical context is critical..
Hermeneutics does not attempt to bring out what the writer intended to say and view his words in its context. That's exegesis. Hermeneutics is how we apply the writer's words in our day.
This is about the easiest thing explain there is but you have to understand prophecy and it starts and Daniel 8
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvHey, what’s your problem? You need to settle down there, commenting on everyone comment because you don’t agree isn’t making yourself look good. Show some grace and chill out, no need to be mean
@Judoka512 you don't show Grace to people that lie about the Bible and then never repent like this guy
Very good work here by Gentry on apostasy. In its Classical Greek meaning it meant to rebel against a military commander (Bible Gateway). Gentry may be correct, but the Man of sin may have been the Jews in rebellion from God and Rome. This interpretation was originally put forth by Nehemiah Nisbett (1808) in his book, "The mysterious language of st. Paul, in his description of the man of sin." After all, the man of lawless was destroyed by outshining glory of the lord's coming...this refers to the destruction of the Jews...Nero was not destroyed by the coming of the lord!
Interesting take. I know Dr. G. has modified his own understanding over the years, and it would be interesting to hear his thoughts on this today.
Jesus in Matthew 24:15 ..tells you to where to look to understand this.. this guy has no clue. and neither do you!
"the jews", who are Esau, ruled over Rome, who is Philistine, and not the other way around. Good point about Nero, who committed suicide. There is so much wrong with preterism, it is ridiculous.
The title is a little bit deceptive. Because when Doctor Gentry gets to the description of the man of lawlessness, his time runs out.
He talks about it.. Nero.
They should have let him speak longer
Not one thing he told you is the truth. I've studied this prophecy for 50 years. he never did what Jesus told you to do, to understand it. in Matthew 24:15.
I can agree that Nero was the man of perdition, but it also holds that Constantine was too, they are but ancestors of all popes to follow. The papacy itself, regardless of who fills the seat at any given time in history, including today. And I can see the purple and scarlet and gold of jewish priests being transferred to catholicism's priests. It's all one, a continuation behind a different mask, down through time. My point is that saying Nero was the man of perdition does not rule out the pope also being the same. They are all one. The beast fills each new incarnation as the last one dies off (or retires). Thanks for the video.
Interesting take.
History repeats itself but that wasn't the intention of the author who was speaking to people in his day.
Would this benefit the reader John wrote to?
As a historicist, there were key pieces of this presentation that makes me have to refine or change some of my views. The Pope seems to be the Image of the Beast (Papacy/Vatican), the second beast comes from the earth, and the vine of the earth is thrown into the winepress of the wrath of God, so the vine has to be false religion and therefore connected back to the pope and the papacy who are mystery babylon with a christian veil, and you cannot be more Antichrist than that.
@@PilgrimNinja It would have been a meaningless letter to the readers if it was the Roman Catholic Papacy.
Great presentation, thanks for sharing this video! One idea: wouldn't it get a lot more views if the title was something like "Man of Lawlessness revealed" or similar? The way it is only the people who recognize Dr. Gentry's name will click on it.
Nobody could have ever seen it in the first place
Great idea, maybe someone with a bigger platform could promote it!! My pastor directed me to this.
Great insight
Yeah but you didn't get it from God cuz nothing you said was the truth
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
It’s a shame that the leaders in the congregation did not have the attention span beyond 40 minutes to listen to his entire presentation.
This was just one Sunday school class that Ken taught for us. He was actually with us for a weekend conference. Frankly, our church leaders did a lot of teaching on subjects like this and spent a great deal of time making it available. In fact, at the time, I was a regular contributor to the Chalcedon Report, R.J. Rushdoony's publication that expanded the "market" for teaching like this. I can assure you we all had attention spans far beyond 40 minutes!
The devil is laughing in his boots ..he didn't tell you one bit of Truth. except where Paul was at the time.
You leveled some heavy accusations against this man. Quote him and then list book chapter and verse where he erred. Otherwise you are guilty of the sin of bearing a false witness.
Here's Gentry's own Confession of Faith (Westminster) on the proper interpretation of 2 Thes. 2:
"There is no other Head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God."
[Westminster Confession, Ch. 25, sec. 6].
Gentry has abandoned his own Confession on this issue, and has replaced it with the errors of Preterism.
Does that help?
*Soli Deo Gloria*
Great explanation
Yeah and the devil loved it you didn't tell you one bit of Truth
Quote the man where you say he's wrong.Then list book chapter and verse to the contrary. If you do not you are guilty of the sin of bearing a false witness.
would love to have the notes he is talking about
Well as for certain it's not from the Bible because nothing (he) said was the truth except for where Paul was... I did voice print and didn't catch it!!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv "well as for certain" what are you talking about. "nothing you said was the truth" i didnt say anything. I'm not too sure what you are talking about.
@@jake13b who is the guy standing in the Holy place at the end of time! that Jesus says[ is the abomination of desolation) and that the people of Judea should flee !!!and go to the Book of Daniel to (understand what he's speaking of)... who is that guy standing in the( Holy place at the end of time)! that Jesus Christ himself told you to understand!!! that's the guy in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 !!that's the guy that is in the (Holy place in Revelations 13).. that blasphemes against it .and the people that are in heaven!!! that's the guy that is in the Holy place and stops a daily sacrifice in.Daniel 8((( at the very end of time))... Daniel 8:19 Daniel 8:17 Daniel 8:23((an Jesus Christ upon his return destroys him without hand)... Daniel 8:25.. just like it tells you in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 .(he destroys him with the spirit of his mouth )!!!are you really this blind!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Titus. (jewish wars 6.6.1) also Lk 21:20. Mathew is a jew and uses old testament hyperbolic language in the prophecies Jesus said "this generation" which was that one which would see those stones fall down. for they did in ad 70. the same "this generation" that he used in Mathew 23. then later on tells those same Pharisees that they will see him come in the clouds. which is another old testament saying for wrath. see also Amos 5:18.
@@jake13b they are blocking her comments to you they're not Christian they don't believe in freedom of speech!
Excellent Thank you!
So you're thanking him for lying to you
i hate when theres time constraints put on such important and interesting talks and debates, but great stuff
Very interesting and eye opening
Me too! More time !
I was hoping there would have been time enough to cover the false prophet forcing all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, such that he would cause to be killed as many as would not take the mark or worship the image of the beast, and then the preventing from buying or selling by anyone except they have the mark of the beast.
Jesus in Matthew 24:15 told you where to go to understand this subject ..he never did.. he didn't tell you one bit of Truth.. except for Paul was at the time.
It’s a shame that very few people teach this alternative view… we are so emerged with dispensationalism, that gives nearly no room for an alternative view.. such great and important topic
As I traverse this topic, it seems to me you’re seeing a type and shadow of what happened in the past in 70 AD, however “let no man deceive you into thinking the Lord has already come” should be a hint here to keep looking further into scripture. There is more to the story.
Ive listened to a few this man's presentations and it would appesr that ALL prophecies have been fulfilled, the world is on auto pilot with no sense of where we are goimg and we have no idea what is going to happen hereafter. It would appear that all prophetic utterances written in scriptures culminared after AD 70 and the church is simply left to wait.
When did every mountain get flattened? When did the Mount of Olives split in two? When did the whole Earth stagger in its orbit like a drunkard? When were a third of the trees burned up? When did the Euphrates dry up? When did Egypt worship the true God and build a highway to Israel? When did Damascus cease to be a city? When did Persia and Rosh invade Israel? When did sin end? When was Satan bound for a 1000 years? When did the first heaven and first Earth pass away? I think there might be a few prophecies left to go.
Preterism defies reality, just like satan does. We are still in the realm of time, the sun and the moon still extant. The earth and the sky and the water is being destroyed. The man of sin is long awaited by "the chosen people" who have yet to "reveal" him. The Great White Throne is impending.
Is there anyway I can get a copy/ picture of the notes?
Don't ask for it it's all a lie Jesus and Matthew 24:15 told you to understand this he never went there
there are several points that undermine this interpretation:
- he says επισυναγωγη is used in 2thess2 and hebrews. but the verbal base is used by the Lord at the end of matt24, when he will send his angels to gather his elect from the 4 corners of the world, which refers to the eschatological promise of the regathering of israel.
- he says the 'now you know' means the thessalonians knew the context. but, for a start, the traduction is faulty. the greek says 'now the thing which withholds you know, towards the revealing of him in his season'. so, paul is not talking about something withholding the revealing of the man of sin, but that the thessalonians now know what's withholding the parousia and the episynagoge, namely the apostasy and the revealing of the man of sin.
- he says the man of sin didn't need to enter the temple because the grammatical pattern in 2thess2.4 and luke4.29 are similar. but they are not. luke uses the prep εις which means 'with the objective of'. paul uses the avd ωστε which means 'with the result of'.
To add to this, the abomination of desolation seems to be both a person and a thing. It is extremely likely that a statute of Nero was placed in the temple and the Jews were forced to worship it or die. For Nero was said to have come back to life … so in a way, he did make it to the temple
Thorough research and details, I'm only left feeling that it seems to leave sizable portions of the NT not relevant to us. I've more thinking to do.
"the jews" are still waiting for their moshiach. And the luciferians for their "world teacher" and the earth is being plunged into darkness. God will destroy the earth and Judge all mankind. This is forthcoming and has not happened yet.
Is there anyone/church in Queensland Australia that has this view?Its so hard to find true teaching like this🙏🏼💜🙏🏼
This is NOT "true teaching" though! It's Jesuit-concocted Preterism.
Dr. Gentry must abandon his own Confession of Faith (Westminster) in order to promulgate his Preterist nonsense.
He has abandoned the Reformation on this issue, just like the Futurists have.
Please don't be deceived by Dr. Gentry's falsehoods, errors, and lies.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
Occasional epistles are universal to all churches and all members of the churches!
Yes. We must keep audience relevance in mind however. Revelation is a perfect example. Jesus says starting in 1;1 it's written to 7 Jewish Christians in present day turkey. Without this, it's easy to think it's written literally & to only us
The Messiah will return at the end of time in Wrath and Judgement. Those who love darkness are waiting for it in the form of the avatar, the buddah, the maitreya, the world teacher, the "moshiach" - they are STILL waiting. The man of sin is yet to be revealed by his "chosen" people.
I respectfully disagree with several aspects of this argument. Primarily, there seems to be a tendency to force facts to fit specific interpretations. For instance, there is no linguistic evidence to support the notion that the name "Claudius" inherently means "the restrainer" in Latin; its literal meaning is "lame."
Furthermore, if Nero is being identified as the "man of lawlessness" in 2 Thessalonians 2:9, the passage describes characteristics that include performing miracles and signs. Historical records do not attribute such supernatural acts to Nero. Moreover, while Nero did persecute Christians, he did not exclusively target Jews who opposed the Gospel.
Lastly, regarding the events of 70 AD, it was indeed Vespasian who commanded the Roman forces during the siege of Jerusalem, not Nero.
Very good. Preterism is just one flavor of heresy that appeals to many, I have no idea why as it defies reality. The real issue is about the birthright, which was stolen and the one who stole it is still waiting for his "moshiach" along with legions of other luciferians who are waiting for the manifestation of "the world teacher", the "maitreya", the "buddah", the "avatar" etc. This is ecumenism and the whole world will follow after the beast. Rev 13.3
So gathering together to Him of 2 Thess 2, which Paul referred to in that passage as "that Day," that all Christians have been waiting for--their final redemption of their bodies (getting their resurrection bodies), is really just Christians no longer being a sect of Judaism and they can gather as one body separate from Judaism. Wow. What mental gymnastics one has to do to arrive at that. And how anticlimactic. What we thought was something so glorious is just meeting separate from Judaism because the Temple was destroyed. And as if they weren't already meeting together as a separate body.
I agree. Preterism is a defiance of reality and of God. Their "god" is satan.
The whole of world history pivots on the crushing of the head of satan and his children, who have stolen the birthright, the issue of which only God can settle and He will at the end of time.
That we are still residing in the realm of time is "proof" that we are not living in the Kingdom of God, which is a gross rejection of reality.
Amen to that!!! Preterism is an infectious disease in many Reformed circles now.
I lament this...wholeheartedly.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
So… Do we live for eternity? We’re still immortal, right?
Unfortunately, this video exemplifies the major problem with most post-millennial eschatology. In order to make your theory work, you have to spiritualize the text and rely on symbolic interpretations instead of textual interpretations. Some questions for Dr. Gentry:
1. What is your basis for saying that taking his seat in the temple of God does not have to mean the one in Jerusalem?
2. The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan (v. 9). How did Satan empower the rise of Nero? Gentry doesn't tell us.
3. The lawless one performs false signs and wonders (v. 9). What false signs and wonders did Nero perform? Gentry doesn't tell us.
4. The man of lawlessness perpetrates wicked deception (v. 10). What wicked deception did Nero perpetrate? Gentry doesn't tell us.
5. God sends strong delusion on people (v. 11). What strong delusion did God send in the time of Nero? Gentry doesn't tell us.
6. Why isn't it reasonable to think that Paul is writing about something that would be fulfilled centuries later, not within a few years? Isaiah prophesied that a virgin would conceive and bear a son, and would call his name Immanuel (Is. 7:14), a prophecy that wouldn't be fulfilled until Christ's birth 7 centuries later.
7. Why is the coming of Jesus Christ simply a visitation of judgment upon Jerusalem and not an actual physical coming?
8. Who says that the day of the Lord is merely the destruction of one city and not a more far-reaching judgment upon all mankind?
I could go on, but this should suffice to demonstrate the significant gaps in Gentry's analysis. The pre-millennial interpretation of 2 Thes. 2 as a future event that will be fulfilled when the antichrist is revealed makes much better sense of the text. Treating it as a historical event with Nero as the man of lawlessness and the destruction of Jerusalem as the ultimate fulfillment is poor exegesis.
Preterism is so flawed, it is almost laughable. However, many are deceived by it so it must be exposed, as you say. His Kingdom is not of this world, we are still in the realm of time and lawlessness abounds. Therefore Judgement has not yet occurred and the issue of the birthright must be justified.
Poor eisegesis you mean...😂
If this is about 70ad , and I believe it is, which verses then actually talk about the 2nd coming?
The end of Matthew 25 starting at verse 31. Jesus talks about the final judgment and His second coming.
@@NnannaO thanks.
Anytime a resurrection is mentioned pretty much. Think 1 Corinthians 15 or John 6:39-40
So when Jesus told you in Matthew 24:15..( the question was to him what happens at the end of time)!!!!!! and (he tells you the (abomination of desolation) standing in the (Holy place) and to go to the (Book of Daniel to understand it)!!! that's not Titus .
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tvoh yes it is. The end of time means the end of the age. Daniel predicts the destruction of the temple.
The whole problem with end time prophecy, comes down to two things...
1).... Confusing the ministries of John the Baptist and Elijah..... Matthew 1-3.......
2)....Not realizing that God "changes the times and season's", (Daniel 2) "that has been left up to the Father": Acts 1....... That is the entire problem!
The heck are you talking about
@@jasonbourne5142 Jason, these two things that I mentioned, are the problem with regards to Scholars trying to figure out when Jesus Christ is coming back....
@@Kingjamesbible6111 ok I understand your 2nd point but not the 1st.
@@jasonbourne5142 John the Baptist could have fulfilled what Elijah is going to fulfill, if the Jewish Nation had accepted his message..
Jesus Christ prayer was answered (Father forgive them) however, Steven (Acts7) was rejected as well.... And this is the problem.....
@Yoshke Ben Stada I can prove you are a dispensationalist...
Do you believe there is a difference between the Old and New Testament? Careful:)
The assumption of an early date for revelation which underlies the speakers view is disputed as the state of the seven churches shows a decline from Pauls epistles, as at Ephesus their love has grown cold, such a decline requires decades to eventuate. Martyrdom, new converts, and false teaching would all contribute to change, which I believe is the theme of this passage-false teachers.
Read Gentry's book, _Before Jerusalem Fell._ It's his Ph.D thesis, I believe, and is devoted entirely to why the early date for Revelation is very likely correct.
It is thorough and convincing. I believe you can find the .PDF for free online.
@@seankennedy4284 The chosen people are STILL waiting for their "moschiach" along with legions of "world servants". The Kingdom of God is not of this world.
So at what point in the past did a man perform miracles and force people to take his mark like the bible predicts? At what point did the great tribulation take place at which the lord is supposed to return at the end?
It´s about the birthright and the settling of accounts, which obviously has not happened yet. People are so deceived by preterism, which is ludicrous and insulting.
Great explanation and I truly want to understand this. But can someone answer me what “coming” 2 Thessalonians Chapter 1 then refers to? Also not the second coming?
Das Kommem zum Gericht um 70.nach.Christus.
@@markusmustermann1265 und 2. Thessalonicher Kapitel 1 dann?
Es hat sich alles erfüllt. Die Endzeit-Rede und die Offenbarung des Johannes. Wir leben auf der Neuen Erde dem himmlischen Jerusalem. Wir sind der Tempel des Heiligen Geistes, seine Braut, das himmlische Jerusalem. Bei unseren Heimgang zum Vater, werden wir dort die Ewigkeit verbringen. Grüße
@@markusmustermann1265 würdest du dich als Full- oder Partial Preterist beschreiben?
Nahtoderfaruungen berichten von den verstorbenen im Himmel und vom himmlischen Jerusalem, einer großen Stadt.
It'd be great to have those "notes" he keeps pointing people to, hey?
You don't want them they're all lies Jesus and Matthew 24:15 tells you to understand this subject and he doesn't know anything about it
The son of perdition is not an actual person but the OC nation that didn't fulfill its mission on the earth - *The Law* (Hosea 11:1) - as opposed to the actual Son who fulfilled it all (Mat 2:15b KJV).
*Php **1:28*
And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: *which is to them an evident token of perdition,* but to you of salvation, and that of God.
_Q: How about the _*_what withholdeth (2Th 2:6)? A: *The temple!_*
*Heb **10:39*
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Praise Jesus!
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Does anyone know what Paul means by "we who are alive will be changed?"
bonajab It simply means after the persecutions from the Old Covenant Jews were over, those Christians who are left will be spiritually changed when the New Covenant was consummated. This is Covenantal language. They were in the process of changing from the Old and into the New Covenant. This is what Christ said about being born again. Israel needed to be spiritually reborn from above. This is what Paul meant when he said we will be changed. It was a spiritual rebirth (or changing) from the Old Covenant (physical land of Israel) and into the New Covenant (new spiritual Israel or the Christian Church which are one and the same).
And this change happened in the twinkling of an eye?
bonajab in a twinkling of an eye... It is the plural. I had the born again experience and I didn't see anyone else experiencing it with me. It also refers to the dead being raised. It is certainly not the born again experience.
ByEveryWordOfGod The amount of false doctrine surrounding this rapture is vast. Pretrib and zionism seem to be linked to dispensationalism.
I suggest anyone with eyes to still see go to Dayz of Noah' s Media and Generations. Also look into NASA fraud... there are literally thousands of misques in their own video's. After ( and for the blind... if) you are are convinced they are lying see a video called The Kabbalistic seeds of astrophysics evolution and quantum mechanics by the Truth is Stranger than fiction. I also recommend Daylight Rider who I just happened on. The amount of deception is very high .. after satan took control of ciricullum in education and in many seminaries, as well as our medias. For dispensationalism I recommend Bruce Gore Dispensationalism in America. Jesus said my people perish for lack of knowledge.
Luke 8 17 ... all things will be made known .. but 1 Cor 2 14 ... The things of the Spirit of God are foolishness to the natural man. This is why we are so blind as a society.
70 AD so no believers were born of the spirit after Pentecost? Scripture please.
Is there a link or some way by which I can grab that outline?
Why would you want it. it's nothing but a lie .Jesus in Matthew 24:15. told you how to understand this .and he never went there.
Very interesting.
Me too when I seen him lying like this I just about broke down
Any hint of what those lies are that I should know about?@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv
List the scripture, where he is wrong.Otherwise you are a false witness.
How can this be😮? Are you saying John Hagee is not infallible? 😂😂😂😂
The Apostle's whole point was that the day of the Lord was NOT at hand. If Paul was speaking of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD then the language should have been different in that it, the day of the Lord was near.
2Ths 2:2: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
What follows is a prophecy of the Papacy and strong delusion of works religion.
Yes. The day of the Lord was NOT at hand. And His Kingdom is not of the world, which is recklessly lawless. The issue of the stolen birthright has yet to be avenged and Esau is still waiting for his moshiach, which alot of people do not even know. Look up Noahides.
Just in case anyone doesnt know, partial preterism is very different than full preterism (which this isnt and is unbiblical).
Is there any place to get the accompanying outline to this lecture???
Sorry, I don't have them any longer. You may be able to find them at KennethGentry.com.
Jesus told people how to understand this in Matthew 24:15 .the guy never went there .he doesn't know what he's talking about. I've studied this prophecy for 50 years. I know this like the back of my hand. .this guy's sent to you from the Devil Himself.
Video time @24:35... this guy reads the day of the Lord Jesus Christ as the day of the Lord... where as 2 thess2:2 very clearly says the day of Christ...
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand... also ghe verse says the day of Christ is at hand. But he reads as the day of Christ has already come.. lot of differences between at hand and has come... these things may look small but makes a big misunderstanding.. this person maybe right in explaining few things... but one must know that bible prophecies can have the parallel fulfilment in past and future also.. for example Daniel's ch9 70th weeks prophecy has already fulfilled by Jesus Christ and also has a future parallel fulfilment of the 70th weeks (7years) prophecy in which 3.5years by the 2 witnesses and 3.5years by the antichrist in future in revelation....
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You should look up Gentry’s teaching on Revelation. He goes over this.
There is no difference you dumb boy.
@@theeclecticcollective8279 the guy's a liar he sent to you from the Devil Himself
Pls pastor who is that HE refers to in verse 7,,is that the church or the Holy Spirit,,,
Both ...(it's the Christians filled with the Holy Spirit)!! they're raptured ..in 1st Thessalonians chapter 4.. this guy's probably not going to tell you that. because (he doesn't believe the truth of the Bible )!! [not one thing he said here is true ]..Jesus tells you to understand this subject ,by going to Matthew 24:15 and (he sends you to the Book of Daniel to understand the abomination of desolation at the end of time.
the first place it's written is in Daniel 8) and it's written( five more places in the Book of Daniel .).this guy is getting paid by somebody to lie to you.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Dispensational delusions have you extremely blinded. So very sad.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv No rapture. Look up Noahide Laws.
A few errors:
- The Thessalonians didn't know who the man of lawlessness was - they knew who was restraining (preventing) his appearance - the Roman Emperor had to give way to the Holy Roman Emperor, the occupant of the Papacy.
- The Book of Revelation was given to the churches in Old Testament symbolism. What is the Temple gathering in the New Covenant - the Christian church. The man of sin will stand in a Christian church and declare himself God. It's a no brainer since the 5th century who he is. He won't be revealed to the world and destroyed until the Second (and only) return of Jesus Christ, so he's still standing in that church today calling himself the blasphemous “Infallible Word God”.
- That man will appear AFTER a great falling away from the faith. When did the churches fall away before 70 AD? Contraire, they were adding great numbers everyday and dying for the faith. It happened beginning in the 2nd century with the rise of the early suggestions of a Trinity Godhead, adding another spirit person to rival the only Holy Spirit, the Father, and culminated in the organization of the church/state of the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Apostasy Paul spoke of is her idol worship of Babylonian, Egyptian gods, and the renaming of pagan Roman gods as Jesus, Mary Joseph, Apostles, and Saints to deceive the masses. (Today, almost every Protestant denomination has signed peace agreements with Rome that the protest against her has ended. Thus, the Apostasy is complete). Christ will return anytime.
- Full Preterism is the Gospel of the Jesuits (as well as Futurism), you might want to repent of teaching it).
Here's Gentry's own Confession of Faith (that he claims to hold to):
Westminster Confession, Ch. 25, sec. 6,
"There is no other Head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God."
Ken Gentry DENIES his own Confession of Faith because of his presupposition of Preterism.
The authors of the Confession were right; Gentry is WRONG.
*Soli Deo Gloria*
His explanation of 2Thess 2:1 threw me off. Seriously? This is clearly talking about the Parousia of Christ. His physical coming and our gathering to meet him. This takes a queue from the ancient practice were the citizens of a town or city go out to meet a very important person outside the city gates and usher him into the city. This was the same thing Paul communicated when he was teaching on the snatching away and being caught up in 1Thess 4:13-18.
You obviously haven't read Isaiah 19:1. God came into Egypt through Assyria. It's the same phrases used in 2 Thessalonians.
@@jasonbourne5142 you really shouldn't speak unless you know the subject it's clear you do not.
Thanks for posting! Nero was a dumpster fire. Evil enough to be in Scripture. He also fulfills the "not lover of women". He was a gay actor that MADE ppl watch his shows!
That, 'not a lover of women' quote is a disputed translation of meaning. Check all the different translated versions and make your own mind in the Spirit. Same goes for many things that people blindly accept.
Will apparently you're making Jesus Christ out a liar in Matthew 24:15!!!.. when he says it happens (at the very end of time)!!! and go to the Book of Daniel to understand the subject.!
@@robertcain3426 The man of sin according to Daniel will not worship the God of his fathers. The god of Rome was always Dagon.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv I agree, this is the main flaw along with so many others. Preterism intends to deceive and is so contrived, is almost laughable.
@@godisreality7014
Yes, the Papal system is from Babylon/Bavel/Babel; the Pontifex Maximus and the priests who elect him are the Dagon worship from Babylon. Christendom, the progeny of the false Roman church is, I believe, the woman, the prostitute, Babylon in Rev 17.
The 'little horn' also known as the antichrist is a kingdom of man/mankind which arises amongst the 'ten kings/kingdoms' (which represent world government as symbolized by the number ten - government). The 'eleventh' little kingdom grows so powerfull, symbolized by displacing three others and, thereby, becoming 'an eighth kingdom which belings to the seven'. It is also 'the kingdom which was wounded by the sword, but lived' when God went down to Babel and 'wounded mankind's effort to unite in rebellion to God.
It is also symbolized as being the resurrected kingdom, by being given the number eight and called the kingdom 'which once was, now is not, but would come again' as the resurrected kingdom of Babel/Babylon; the resurrected attempt by mankind to again unite in rebelluon to God, his 'wound of dispersion' having been healed, mankind is again in rebellion (apostasia) to rule himself as his own lord and master of his own destiny (equal with God) apart from God the Creator and his Messiah.
It is being manifested that the "man of lawlessness" who is coming is a DESTROYER for he shall destroy those "so-called gods" and every false doctrine he shall annihilate-this is the brightness of his coming for he shall reveal hidden things regarding the "mystery of Christ"...this other Christ who is coming is the other self of Christ or the alter-ego...the world does not know him that is why this world of sins and sinners cannot accept him...
16:40 this division into two separate, one for judgment, and one of the end of history, is artificial and contrived.
Preterism itself is artificial and contrived.
Using the NASB disinterested me 😢
This guy's a dangerous man he doesn't know what he's doing
How about you take the time to explain what is YOUR explanation of this chapter/topic instead of just plastering ungodly comments and accusations on this feed about 50+ times, but never give a counter argument as to why this man's explanation is wrong?
@@christalone71 if you read all of them you should have seen where it's found!! why did you not do that!!( Jesus tells you in Matthew 24:15 it is found in the Book of Daniel and you need understanding do you have that?.when he said that.. the New Testament was not written ..are you getting this.. so far? he's speaking of the[ abomination of desolation standing in the [Holy place) at the end of time ..he tells you to go to the Book of Daniel to (understand) what it says ..are you too blind to do that!?? See when you call somebody (arrogant) before you actually have addressed them before you do that ...can you imagine my attitude at this point... but I can deal with that ..Daniel 8 is the first place it's written.. it's about the Antichrist at the end of time. the agreement for Daniel 8 ..(is Daniel 9:27) the space of time is 2520 days )to know that you have to understand Daniel 9! Daniel 9 lets.you know when this takes place ..Daniel 8 says it happens at the ?very end of time Daniel 8:19 Daniel 817 Daniel 8:23) and Jesus Christ destroys him with the spirit of his mouth.. in 2nd Thessalonians 2 (this guy does not tell you that)!!! read it ..Daniel 8..says he destroys him without hand)[ Daniel 8:25] that's if you have the ability to understand the word meanings of these texts ..it is what's written about this guy the (abomination of desolation) which is Revelations 13 and Revelations chapter 11 the Antichrist (at the very end of time) now I can explain every little detail to you but that's about all you really do need to know. to let you know this guy's not telling you the truth!
@@christalone71 did you say ungodly comments!?? It makes me angry.. when the devil sends somebody to lie..( about the word of God) did you say ungodly!?
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Yes. You are ungodly. Your anger isn't of a righteous nature because you make a lot of wicked statements about a servant of God, whom you do not know. It is quite dangerous to call other Christians all the things you call Mr. Gentry. You need to repent.
@@christalone71 the guy is not a servant of God !!!( In the process he destroyed the prophecy of 1st Thessalonians chapter 4..). and you wasted 40 Years of your life doing nothing apparently!!! I gave you enough information if you were Christian .you would understand it. Jesus spoke harsher to the Pharisees who had it all in the bag too .are you going say he was ungodly?
So revaluation has already been fulfilled? Please show me where the mark of the breast is in history then?
Under Nero, mark of the beast, people had to make an incense offering to him before going into the market. After which, they would receive a smear of the ash on their forehead.
Prophecy fulfilled.
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It might as well be the devil speaking that guy doesn't have a thing that's true
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
The laws are the 11 commandments.
Jesus warned everyone to flee Judea if they should see the abomination of desolation from Daniel at the Temple. According to Gentry, that prophesy was fulfilled in 70 AD, but the church had actually fled several years earlier because Jesus warned everyone in Luke 21 to flee when they saw armies surrounding Jerusalem, and that happened in 66 AD, then the Romans left for several years and the church fled.
Another problem with every preterist interpretation is the fact that it was impossible to flee when the Romans approached Jerusalem in 70 AD because Jewish forces had already closed the city to prevent anyone defecting, then the Romans built a siege wall around the city wall to prevent anyone escaping. And by the time the Romans reached the Temple, where they could have conceivably fulfilled the abomination prophesy but didn't, most Jews had already been killed from from violence, disease or starvation.
Jesus tells you to understand this prophecy in Matthew 24:15 he says it's in the Book of Daniel!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv, Correct.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 he wasn't speaking of Titus
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv who said he was?
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv oh, I thought you were referring to the book Titus. Well, when does he think this was fulfilled, if not in 70 AD?
Nero was not the man of lawlessness. Nero never sat in the temple of Jerusalem.
The man of lawlessness was a Jewish leader who sat in the temple.
The Jews never worshipped any Roman leaders.
The Jews looked for a Jewish messiah to defeat the Romans.
That man of lawlessness was one of their leaders who sat in the Temple in 66-70AD
before it was destroyed by the Romans.
Check out Simon Bar Kokhba, he fits that description!
@GoodNews4You May I share my thoughts about that? The son of perdition is not an actual person but the OC nation that didn't fulfill its mission on this earth - *The Law* (Hosea 11:1) - as opposed to the actual Son who fulfilled it all (Mat 2:15b).
*Php **1:28*
And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: *which is to them an evident token of perdition,* but to you of salvation, and that of God.
_Q: How about the _*_what withholdeth (2Th 2:6)? A: *The temple!_*
*Heb **10:39*
But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
Praise Jesus!
You are correct. Man of lawlessness is Eleazar Ben Simon. The restrainer was Herod Agrippa II. This Herod was also the second anointed one in Daniel 9:26. He was "cut off", "taken out of the way" (2 Thess. 2:7) which led to to the cessation of the sacrifice in the middle of the last seven. (Daniel 9:27)
@@docholliday8879 sacrifices weren't needed then, Jesus had already resurrected. Agrippa ll can't be anointed.
"Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.”
I don’t know the gathering together seems like a stretch.
This guy lied to you through the whole thing I've studied his for 50 years go to Matthew 24:15 and do what Jesus tells you to do with the subject
You made that up. No where did SCRIPTURES ever say Christ was Coming 3 or 4 times with judgement? The SCRIPTURES clearly shows the Second Coming and Judgement occurring with the destruction of the temple in 70 ad. If not show me with SCRIPTURES.
God came in/ on the clouds 7 times in the Bible. Always in judgment
@@Ben-qb4lj He also came many times in the OT as the Angel of the Lord and one time as Melchisedeck
@@carlosv6813 yes. Jesus said He was coming back as the Father to judge Israel "guilty of all the innocent blood " and prophets. He certainly did. To understand what "day of the Lord " means, the old testament explains it.
@@Ben-qb4lj Right! Tell me about it
This guy's from the Devil Himself .he doesn't know this prophecy. I've studied it for 50 years .you got to start right where Jesus tells you to start.. Matthew 24:15 ..he tells you to go( to the Book of Daniel to understand that .)..nobody on here knows what he's saying.
Revelation was written AFTER the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. 90 AD approx. Same is the case with both letters to the Thessalonians, 2 Timothy, and 2 Peter. All speak of future events that can't fit the preterist viewpoint. Furthermore, there were 70 weeks (groups of 7 years) for the nation of Israel. There were 69 till the fall of the temple in 70 AD. Where's the last week???
This passage is only difficult if you try to put it into the preterist perspective. Otherwise, it's quite plain. Heed not those who have an APPEARANCE of godliness, but deny the future coming of our Lord, saying that "since the father's(of the church) have slept, all things remain the same... Avoid such. Teaching after his own wants, and not according to Christ (and what He taught).
Amen this guy's from the Devil Himself
Also, Jerusalem was sacked by Esau, who rules the Roman Philistine. Psalm 137.
Read Gentry's book about the dating of the book of Revelation. After all the evidence is heard, a date prior to 70AD is most likely. BTW, I used to argue strongly for 95 AD date.
@@OC3707 If you look at history, Domitian was the emperor who started using the island of Patmos as a prison. Not before. His rule began in 92. Gentry seems to have failed here, with all due respect, and there are many other respected historians and theologians who support this evidence. If Christ's first coming was in physical, literal form, why would we doubt His second coming to be so? It's not spiritual or figurative. He will set foot on the Mount of Olives, and it will be split! Physically and literally! That has not yet taken place.
With all do respect, this is not correct.
The revealing of the lawless one and the great apostasy has not happen. Did you see the Lord coming on the clouds with 10,000 x 10,000 angels and destroy the beast with his brightness and breath of his coming? 70 ad destruction of the temple was no longer God's temple since we are the temple of God.
We are still in the realm of satan, the realm of "time", which is all he has, that is why he is attempting to "save" it and reverse historical prophecy to impede the coming of Christ.
This guy clearly doesn't understand this passage. He spent most of the video speaking of Revelation passages and when he got around to 2 Thess. 2 he acted confused, never addressing the passage, just giving you his thoughts on it, which didn't explain anything coherently.
ByEveryWordOfGod he’s taking a long time to say one thing because his view is not the ‘popular’ view. So he has to lay a foundation before he names a figure in the past as the man of lawlessness. He does a great job of immersing us in the current affairs of the time so that we might see the punch of Paul’s prophetic insight as he arms the believers to withstand temptataion to go back to Judaism.
Scripture interprets scripture
The reason it makes no sense. as he didn't start where Jesus told you to start he tells you how to understand this prophecy in Matthew 24:15 .he never started there. and he doesn't know what Jesus told him to do ,with this subject.
Quote the man where he said something wrong and then list the book chapter and verse, that refutes what he said. Otherwise you are guilty of a false witness.
Before digging into the subject matter , first let us define what "lawlessness" is? If one transgresses the law , that is lawlessness. However there is another meaning of "lawlessness" which is not easily seen and understood ! And this other meaning is exactly opposite that of the first.
If the first meaning is the transgressing of the law , then its opposite is the absence of transgression of the law because if one is not under the law and the law is not applicable to him , then he is said to be in a state of lawlessness! And who is the only one who is not under the law , that the law does not apply to him? Who is that? He is the Lord , yes , he is the only one who is not under the law! And because of that , he can never sin! So in this regard , "lawlessness" takes another meaning which connotes the state of being "sinless". There is no law to accuse him because the law simply does not apply to him! Therefore, in the Lord "lawlessness" is "sinless-ness".
This is the one who is coming to destroy those who are in the first meaning of lawlessness-the sinners of the world!
You present a gnostic that is, twisted, rendering.
Sorry, I must tell you this brother. There's no such thing as a man of lawlessness in scripture. It's the man of sin.
The word lawlessness is inserted into scripture to replace the word iniquity. And they don't even come close to having the same meaning.
Lawlessness means there is no law enforced. Iniquity means being deceived by lies and deception.
Respectfully, but, really don't you realize the amount of cherry picking and forced interpretation you're using in order to hold an evidently WRONG position? Dispensationalism is also wrong, of course, but preterism? Really?
Which ideas seem wrong?
Yes, please enlighten us..... thanks..
You don't know what you're saying!!! because you don't know what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15!!! ..nor did you ever do what he told you to do.!
Your answer is in the column the.... cross =💓 ..
@@Ben-qb4lj The Kingdom of God is not of this world.
First thing first. No true follower of Jesus Christ should ever think of making fun of another person as this guy did at about the 2 minute mark.
This was just the first incident because he does it again right at the end of the video when he says, "this evil man", referring to the person in charge of the meeting.
Wth are you talking about?? He never said anything like that. Get a life.
@@jasonbourne5142 . . beginning at the 1:45 mark, Mr. Gentry said, "Now we are going to be speaking about the man of lawlessness this morning and so if you recognize Craig in this you probably are right on target and you'll notice he stepped out of the room before I said that."
Then of course you hear a few people laughing in the background. But my point is, I wonder how the guy named Craig feels about this?
@@harvestworkers626 sounds like he's joking around with a friend.
@@jasonbourne5142 . . Exactly my point! Do you believe this is something that is appropriate, especially from the pulpit?
When we belittle others, then we feel that we have been lifted up higher then them. Matthew 16: 24-25
A the whole thing is a lie .I have studied this for fifty years that guy doesn't know what he's doing.
Mostly good exegesis, but there is only one parousia, it happened in AD 70. The new covenant is an eternal covenant.
And the issue of the stolen birthright has yet to be rectified.
When ever Paul writes of the temple he is referring to the Christian church, never to the edifice in Jerusalem. He always sees the tabernacle of the new covenant in heaven. He knows that God has left the old temple, and that it has no significance. When we read then of the man of sin presenting himself he is talking of false teachers in the assembly, even as John in describing the spirit of antichrist, coming out from among them. The son of perdition is Judas, that it is mentioned here shows we are dealing with a class of people, not a single entity. It cannot be a heathen, as Judas was an apostate from the covenant people. He is writing to Greeks who have no connection to the Levitical city, Christs command to flee has no meaning for them, as it does to the Hebrews, where the language is all of no certain dwelling place, no continuing city, in view of that imminent tribulation which befell them. John had no reason to leave Jerusalem until that time, after which he assumed Paul’s old circuit in Asia Minor, which Tertullian called John’s nurselings.
the man of sin is SATAN, who will manifest and proffer his mark. He will sacrifice a child to the golden calf in the public square and Messiah will return in Wrath, end the realm of time and Judge the quick and the dead and RESTORE all things.
Dr. Gentry exposed a lot of good stuff then he shipwrecked the subject blaming the man of sin on Nero when it was Simon Bar Giora that fulfilled the prophecy!! Simon Bar Giora took the Jewish apostasy all the way to its logical end and after the Temple had burned and exploded he came out of the hole where the Holy of Holies was wearing a royal cape! Nero died two years before the destruction of Jerusalem and never came anywhere near the Second Temple which means this talk went sideways.
You shouldn't lie like that .Jesus told you how to find the truth in Matthew 24: 15 and he tells you it's found in the Book of Daniel. but you have to have( understanding) do you have that!
Concerning 2 Thessalonians 2:2 you are reading the wrong interpretation. In the King James Version it says THE DAY OF CHRIST. I Googled that phrase and it says “the rapture”. So we will know who the Antichrist is before the rapture. I can see why God will allow this. Many more nonbelievers will come to Christ because what will happen is in the Bible already.
You're not understanding (verse 7) in 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 (. The rapture)( He) the people ,and the Holy Spirit )!!!!have to be( removed before the guy in verse 8 can be revealed!)
@@jimbob1644 The "holy" people are determined by God through tribulation. Read Matthew 24. And look up Noahide Laws. The tribulation is FOR those who would be saints.
Not sure how you weave in political apostasy. I also do not see anything in scripture that says there will be an end to history...otherwise...I enjoyed the teaching. I disagree that the man of lawlessness is Nero for a few reasons - I think it was one of the Zealot leaders and if you check on history, you will see how there was a great deal of upheaval amongst the Jewish leaders. Where in scripture does Nero SIT IN THE TEMPLE?
Jesus tells you how to understand this in Matthew 24:15. he tells you to go to the (Book of Danie)!!! and is about the (very end of time )!!the first place is written is in (Daniel 8 )the next place it's more clear is Daniel 11 verse 21)[ to the end ].(it pertains to the [children ]of Daniel .42 months of time at the [very end of time] Daniel 12. Daniel 8:19 Daniel 8:17 Daniel 8:23 speaking of the (Antichrist at the end of time )!!that is (2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 )!that is the guy standing in the (Holy place )!in Matthew 24:15.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv No - it is the end of the age and the end of the old covenant. It depends on which bible you are reading; however, the King James has misinterpreted many of the words.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv No, he came exactly when He said He would - in the clouds - the same way he left. Show me in scripture where Jesus said He would return in the flesh...His sacrifice was enough and we are in His kingdom NOW.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv I would suggest you read scripture a little more closely. However, I do not wish to have disagreements of any sort with others who love God and want to follow His commandments. We are to love one another as He loves us. I pray for all of us that we receive understanding from the Lord and truth. As the disciples were looking into the clouds when Jesus left, the angel asked what they were looking at and told them that Christ would return in the same way. Read the books written by Josephus - quite remarkable history. God bless.
@@kelliea5729 you're not telling the truth ..[Jesus says the abomination of desolation is written by The Book of Daniel ]!!!!!!Daniel 8 is the first place this conversation starts!! until you understand Daniel eight you have no credibility!!!
The resurection has not passed.Jesus is the resurection.
Blessed are all who have part in the first resurection.after the first resurectiin, then the dead will be raised and judged.there is more than just passed fulfillment. The world now is worshiping or hating the resurected state of israel. False peace will come in the false resurection, and all the world will turn on believers. Jesus will return after the fallung away., and the man of sin is revealed.the son of God and his body are saved..the Son of Perdition and all in his body will be destroyed. He wrote the end from the begining.cain and able are pictures of the body of christ and the son of perdition.
"Man of Lawlessness" is a misleading ohrase. It should ne "Man of Torahlessness".
The speaker is Paul, a trained Pharisee, a Jew, an observer of the Scripture.
The Messiah and all his earliest followers know that the Law is Torah!
The earliest followers were NOT Christians. They were the Way or the Natsarim Sect of 1st Century Judaism.
Christianity is the Powerful Delusion. It is the apostate church in contrast to the Natsarim Sect.
All these glowing comments to the side, I’m not convinced at all. He assumes certain premises that inexorably lead him to his conclusions. I just don’t buy his premises.
This was a very short Sunday school lesson which he had to go through very quickly. If you want to know more, you can read his book "He Shall Have Dominion" and maybe you will be convinced then. Also there are lots of videos about this view (partial preterist) on the internet. I hope you get it all sorted out, as I am trying to do and finally making some progress.
The the guy is a joke.he's been sent to you by the Devil himself.. I've studied that for 50 years.. he's not even in the right chapters to explain this the Bible interprets itself completely!!!! ( it's a prophecy of Daniel 8.) In Revelation chapter 11. Which the last half of Revelation 11 . Is Revelations 13: 5... Right where Jesus told you you would go to (understand it in Matthew 24:15!)..
@@jimbob1644 God has given the preterists up to strong delusion.
the man of lawlessness is the apostate High Priest of Jesus' day. It's rather obvious.
Kyle: very dumb indeed.
@@joeiiiful Joseph:What is very dumb?
@@kylec8950 your comment
@@joeiiiful Cool story. Have any reasons to backup to your claim or do always blindly throw out foolish comments?
@@kylec8950 Nothing but the truth always.
Wow, so many assumptions, such poor hermenuetics. And this is a thinly veiled antisemetic position to hold. Just all around bad. One of the assumptions is that God could not bring the Jews back to their own land and they would rebuild the Temple in the future, but we see the steps for this happening even now. God has brought the Jews back to the land which He gave to them for all time.
"jews" are Esau and they stole the birthright: Obadiah, Ezekiel 35 & 36.
That "antisemitism" comment has been tried before but it gets old and is dishonest (which im sure you know). Take a look at the church father's, reformers, puritans, and men of God today against the false doctrine of dispensationalism you hold to. What jews are you talking about? There's more on the east coast of the US than live in Israel by the way.
First of all, the enemy always says “ Did God really say...” Do you doubt what you have been reading for years now? Well guess what? God really did say it. You can bank on it. This man is very misleading
You should explain how he's misleading, otherwise you're just throwing out an accusation.
@@PreachingJesus Obviously with the passing of time, she has no explanation.
99% of the churches today, preachers on the internet, seminaries, modern books teach daniel's 70th week was not fulfilled by Jesus.
Even me growing up being taught somewhat historical protestant, all that influence around me got me to assume a futurist viewpoint, because "if everyone is teaching it, that must be accepted and right, there is hardly any dispute, and i never hear an alternative teaching".
So we must always be careful in thinking what we understand is actually what is there.
I'm sure many people loved Trump cause he let them stay home cause of a common cold and get big checks while "essential workers" were forced to work without any extra pay. Sounds so great and sweet until you REALLY KNOW what it is truly doing.
Many people are not comprehending what is actually in the scripture, and there is so much influence in this world to hinder understanding.
@@DJLiquidSmooth so what Trump did what is it truly doing? could you interpret Daniel 9 for me?. And what Jesus tells you to understand about the (abomination of desolation )in Matthew 24:15 ..and go to the Book of Daniel to do it.
@@PreachingJesus I can tell you how is misleading do you have time
Ken...with all due respect - you misunderstand the main points of scripture / especially prophecy.....The Man of sin is the Pope or the Papacy according to Protestantism
Yeah but the Bible don't say so he says it's a king in Daniel 8:23
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Right, the man of sin is "king" satan.
Its the trinity doctrine of Rome. Yeshua never claimed to be God. Once you figure it out, the daystar will begin to rise in your heart. The spirit of truth will come to you. Romans 1:3-4 proves who Yeshua really is and when he was declared the firstbegotten son of many sons.
Who is the [I am] that's speaking to Moses[ the I am that sent] who sent who? Exodus 3:14 who's the[ Lord that sits next to my Lord in Psalms 110]?? Jesus said( I am before Abraham) notice the word (I am )John chapter 8: 58 that's why the Jews wanted to kill him.( apparently you still do)!
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Jesus Christ is God, yes. All cults deny the divinity of Jesus Christ. They deny that God can be man, because they believe man IS a god.
The "daystar" is not satan or lucifer but God Almighty. The firstborn is the Lamb who was slain from the foundation of the world. Rev 13.8, 1 Peter 1.19. Your god is satan.
Obviously trinity is pagan, it goes back to hindu serpent worship. Our God is ONE. Deut 6.4, Mark 12.29
@@godisreality7014 The Daystar or light of Gen 1:3 is the logos of YHWH. His spoken living and active words of truth. His spirit of Truth.
@@godisreality7014 God is not a man. Hosea 11:9.
God becomes flesh when anyone chosen by YHWH is begotten by his incorruptible seed. When his spirit regenerates your dead spirit then you become a divine elohim not Elohim. Learning Hebrew and Greek is helpful when studying the bible.