I love how all of them were complaining about the clubs, back in the day these were the best you could find. It gives you a lot of appreciation for the old striker's.
and the players back then kicked butt with them. they are spoiled now. Like the clubs do most the work. Like aim assist on a controller does most the aiming. I got turned away how they just bitoched the whole time.
@@redtesta tell us you don't play golf without telling us you don't play golf much? 🙄🙄🙄 I'd love to see you personally test the whole "the clubs do most of the work" theory 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AntonVanDerSar Idk man, kinda agree with the above comment. If the golf club is easier to use, has a longer shaft with more flexibility, a bigger hit box with tons more forgiveness from a slice or draw. Then I'm gonna say yea, the club does most of the work for the mass majority. If you can NOT hit the same yardage with the same control on old clubs it's cuz the tech is doing major work. Sucks you suck that bad for playing so much but kudos mate. Enjoy.
@@user-ck9tb4fv2x m'kay, "mate." Go hit even a 905T and tell me how hard it is to hit it straight. Yet Tiger won how many majors with it? Yes, the new clubs make it easier, but you're obviously not a golfer if you think the clubs are doing "most of the work." Mate, that's just bloody idiotic. Ad idiotic as eating vegemite. Or Raygun's "dance moves."
Adam Scott has already come out and said that driver heads should be the focal point of the rollback instead of the ball. Not saying this video proves his point but it's an interesting demonstration.
Yeah, completely agree. I think the mini driver for example seems to go plenty far for these guys. It’s just the length that players are able to get with driver that’s causing issues, so why not just change the rules for the driver instead of punishing every club by changing the ball.
@@back2back379 He said something to the affect of "Driver used to be the hardest club to hit straight and far. Now it's the easiest with modern heads". It does seem that driver distance is the real outlier in terms of modern golf compared to prior decades. A modern 7 iron goes further but of course the loft is closer to a traditional 6 iron or even 5 iron.
This is not only a testament on how much better today's clubs are due to technologically, it's an bigger testament to how good the players were who used these and were able to hit 270 plus yards with them constantly.
It should be noted that 270 was not a normal distance on tour when some of these clubs were out there. Some of your longer guys, like Hogan, Nicklaus, Palmer, Snead, they could hit this equipment that far. But the average tour player was nowhere near that
@@jazzyjay4595 270 was normal in the 80's (even short for the tour) but that was 40 years ago when they were using persimmon. These clubs are only 20 years old; from the early 2000's. They called them metal woods when they came out. Swings have adapted to the changes in clubs and balls over the years. If Rory had a month to figure out the equipment, he'd be hitting the ball 300 for sure. 20 years ago, Tiger and Daly were the big hitters and they were hitting it over 300.
Really puts John Daly's skill into perspective. It's all relative though. If these were the types of clubs every player was forced to use, then it's just a variable they all have to account for and it's the same for all of them. I'd love to see charity tournaments/pro-ams/exhibitions where players used old sets/clubs for the first 2 rounds and then see what the final round or 2 is like with their modern gear.
Its crazy seeing the huge jump in ball speed these guys get when they hit Callaway Hawkeye Titanium vs the old steel woods. Ball speed numbers for the guys hitting that are still in the 170s!
These guys can launch 3 woods 280+. Isn’t the size of the head, it’s the legal trampoline effect. The simplest thing to do would be simply make courses harder for these guys.
I learned how to play golf with this generation of clubs. I still have an old (must be 40 years old by now) 5 wood that I like to practice with because it forces me to be accurate with my swing.
Except for a brand new Callaway seven wood, not yet played with and a five year old driver, I have a set of X-12's I bought in 1996. What's the problem?
I always love when im in an outing and there's an old-club-challenge. Some bloke broke out a 92 king snake driver and it was a riot watching guys try to middle it
this proves my point I made years ago when the first "roll back the ball" remarks surfaced. It's the driver and oversized clubs. 120+ swing speeds won't work with the smaller head sizes.
I still use an R7 driver just now which is about 20 years old.All my other clubs are new but I just can't get away from the driver as it works well for me.I've tried drivers with bigger heads but still always went back to the old faithful
Tiger, Nicklaus, Hogan, Knudson, Trevino, the list goes on. Read Hogans biography to see how accurate he was, in his practise rounds he would hit three drives - one to the left, one down the middle, and one to right hand side of the fairway, so he could assess the best line of approach to the flag.
I grew up using persimmon woods, back in the days when a 280m drive was considered very long, but now its about average. Technology has taken the art of golfing your ball around the course, out of golf.
Exactly! But then the problem becomes Taylormade and Callaway couldn’t charge $700 for a driver which we all know is the real issue with golf. Everyone wants to talk about how pro golfers are getting too much distance but the PGA will punish the amateur just so that OEMs can continue to make money by over charging for equipment.
The USGA have covered this and said rolling back clubs has a knock-on effect through the bag, which is why the ball is a better target in the first instance. They want to address modern drivers too but it's a much bigger task.
@@lxlpsycho This has been discussed at length by the USGA. Everyone with any power in golf is 100% opposed to bifurcation which is why it's so hard to implement club changes.
Shows how good woods , els etc were and how long they were. Watched tiger and els religiously years ago and they were smashing over 300 with ease.. tiger reaching 340-350 at times.
Every now and then I'll see someone using old clubs like these and I tell them they're giving up a ton of distance. Modern drivers are amazing! The paint mark left by the tee isn't a true indication of swing path. The tee often leans as it's struck creating what looks like a massive out to in path. Now, scratches on the bottom of a club ARE a good indicator.
I game a nice, good quality vintage set once every 10 rounds for fun... Despite the lower distances, properly "snicking" the ball with a persimmon driver is bloody glorious.
Being 54 years old. I started with the real woods. I was a 5 HDCP today stuff makes everyone look good. This was my time and I played the same woods Titiliest woods Tiger played. Ball striking was a art back then.
And even more are due to several of the players teeing up the ball too high, as was pointed out to one of them in the video (can't remember who without going back through it). I immediately noticed that loads of them didn't know the optimal tee height for these older clubs.
The driver I use now is a Callaway FT5 from 2007/2008. Serious question, if I hit it about 245m carry (about 260-265y) can anyone tell me what carry I should expect with a modern one? I'm falling in love with 2024's Ping Driver. But also a comparison with 2022/2023 Drivers would be much appreciated.
Tour pros hit it in the centre more often (obviously). If you play on tour, you play with a smaller headed driver with thicker rough, more hazards and trees/bushes on landing zones... What would be REALLY interesting is one of the tours - once a year having a tournament where these restrictions are in place.
I’m 51 years old, and still play scratch golf with a Callaway 460 driver(2007), Callaway Diablo Octane woods(2008), Callaway X-12 irons(1998), and Ping ISI wedges(1997). lol
I’m 21 years old. I just started playing in the fall but I use Golden Bear XS Tech irons and driver (from late 90’s) and a few other irons definitely from the 80’s and a 5 wood from 92’. At first i never thought i’d be able to hit Par with these clubs and that i’d have to pay a hefty price just to be good at golf but that’s all wrong. It’s all in the swing. It’s almost spring and i could never see myself buying a new set of clubs unless they were a gift.
@@doughboy1338 My buddies hit their newer drivers about 10 yards further than me, on average. They’re about 1.5 clubs longer than me, with their irons(mostly because the lofts are juiced up). I just can’t justify spending $3,000 for new clubs, when we compete neck n neck anyways. I’m out there to control my ball, and score. NOT to brag about how far I hit my 9 iron. But hey…. To each his own. lol
I did golf back in the days, and now i am doing archery. Started with a complete 500 compound bow, now I am shooting a 4000$ bow.... so yeah, you get great results when you are on top of your game and have top equipment. When I doubt my equipmen, I remember the natives that were on top of their game, with arrows out of tree branches and bow that was carved by hand.. equipment helps a lot, you have to be on top of your game.. maybe impose clubs and balls to be the same for all! 🤷♂️😉👌♥️
John Daly used a Big Bertha in 97 and averaged 302 - Tiger used a small headed Titleist with a steel shaft and averaged about 295 early on, so it can be done if struck pure.
No Greg Norman had persimmon..... even as late as 1992 he was still playing a custom-made persimmon driver they were selling it in my Pro Shop for 300 us back in 92
Decent ballspeeds as expected from these MODERN balls. Have them hit balls from that same era, to do a true test. But, they did have solid core hard balls in 2000, so it's not that far off, other than the overall length of the club and the forgiveness (or lack there of), and the loft angles. I was using the original one from 1991, the Taylormade. 20 years isn't much, they needed to go back 30 years at least when the first metal ones really started to be sold.
Not sure how these clubs are 20 years old. Taylormade came out with its first Titanium driver in 95. In 2004 there was the R7 quad which was 410cc from memory and these guys would still launch that. These are more like 30 years old.
I think you your right. These clubs are +30 to 40 years old. I had a taylor made with a graphite shaft club in the 90's and could hit it pretty long. John daly was hitting 300 yards in 1997. Mcllroy is averaging 320 now (swing speed 120mph).
the Wilson whale was the first titanium driver. We were selling it in our Pro Shop in 1991 and it was $699 Canadian back in 1991😮 Wilson signed John Daly away from Cobra and made this driver for him
Why run the game for the tiny proportion of players that get paid to play golf. Equipment advances have made the game more enjoyable for the vast majority of us weekend golfers. Finding the middle is still hard and the ability to create power and still find the middle is a tremendous skill.
Love to see one tournament with these clubs - would definitely separate the really solid ball strikers from the rest. If they all had to roll back to these clubs for a season, of course most would adapt, but for a single tournament, certain players, like Adam Scott and Tommy Fleetwood, would likely dominate.
My favorite driver I ever had was a 1988 Taylor Made Tour Burner, 7 degrees, 45 1/2 in titanium shaft. Was playing in a two day regional golf tournament in high school and someone swiped it out of my bag while we were eating lunch. I’ve hit drivers with new tech that are definitely longer, but I’ve never hit a more consistent driver.
Does anyone remember early '80's Northwestern Thunderbird metal with Powerkick shaft? I teamed this with Titleist Tour 812 blades with Lambkin leather grips. Still only got down to 7hcp🙄
I used to have the the original Taylormade Burner Plus 9.5. I used to think that was an awesome driver until I got the callaway big Bertha warbird. The sound on the warbird was nice and it actually made the driver so much easier to use. I’m sure those clubs are more like 30+ years old not 20. Ahhh the good old days when I used to have a hero bag setup. Driver 7.5, tour Brassie 12.5, then Wilson FG-51 blades 1-SW and a 8802 blade putter. Didn’t make that hard myself now did I 🤣😅
As a PGA of America professional I've said it for 10 years about the ball. A Pro V has been out 23 years now If you gave the top 10 longest players and send them back to 1980 and give them a ballata ball and wooden club they'd have flew it as far as Zoeller had with roll at 280 cause they can
The reason you're seeing 160 to 170 mph ball speed it's because all of these drivers have 42-in shafts which correspond to a modern three wood. If you look at the ball speed off of modern three Woods for these pros , it will be right in that range as well. Remember when they increased the head size they added 3 inches to the shaft....42 to 45
For those saying to roll back the ball just watch this video. Sure they could time it much better with custom shafts but when you reduce gear effect, head size, MOI, etc... it puts a premium on finding the sweet spot consistently and isn't that what a pro is supposed to do after 1000s of hours working on their swings. Just make them all play muscleback blades and smaller drivers. Heck in this video some of these guys were hitting it off the map and would be punished for that in tournament play. Then you'd also avoid some people that are gonna cheat at USGA events by bringing in an old ball (hard to spot). It'd be pretty obvious what clubs are and aren't allowed.
Most of these clubs look older than 20 years - the Callaway Great Big Bertha came out before that which started the large head driver trend. They need to roll back clubs and balls, but with modern analysis the pros will have their shafts exactly matched and heads weighted for them, so they will be able to hit further than in this video. Might have to dial down a bit though in competition as they know that they haven’t got as much compensation in a huge sweet spot.
@@ProffessorJoe the fact that golf courses have to extend themselves indicates that it has a distance problem. Most golf courses don’t have the land required to lengthen themselves. Many golf courses were architected with hazards in specific places to affect drives, etc, but that’s all invalidated if your average amateur can now just drive over them because of equipment.
A lot of these clubs were from thirty years ago, not twenty. I know, because I am a club hoarder. I have VHS tapes of pros playing tournaments, and often they show in a caption how far they hit their tee shots and how far remaining to the hole. The pros' distances back thirty years ago were about the same as measured here.
I think the biggest issue is the CT/COR of the modern clubs not the ball. USGA/RA need to reset the Size, CT/COR and MOI back to ~1993 tech. So much fun watching great swings get rewarded and mediocre swings get punished.
Ball, drivers, 3 wood were all so different the ball wasn't optimized for the Drivers until the mid 90s so it was challenging to change your swing to take off spin or then gain spin. But you learned how to be a ball strike. I remember when they went to 260cc and we thought that was big 😂
This honestly just makes tiger even more impressive when you think how his prime years were 20 years ago. Sane for Nickolas, palmer and the other old timers.
I’ve suggested it before. I feel like golf should be like baseball. It’s a lot easier to hit it out of the park with an aluminum bat vs wood. That’s why amateurs get the aluminum. Pick a time frame in golf and freeze it. I’m my mind i’d be ok with Persimmons and blades. I think to a degree if would even the playing field.
The clubs these pros are hitting here are much older than 20 years old. The Taylor Made Original One 12 degree Driver they were hitting is more like 40-45 years old. Twenty years ago they were already hitting the big titanium headed monsters that are the norm today.
You can now see how the new clubs make inconsistent swings to pro strikes. Don't roll the ball back. Keep all lofts of the clubs to traditional degrees. Clubs checked for lofts after a competition game like automotive scrutineering.
Imagine if the players who "Had" to use this equipment in their primes, were privy to today's equipment... one can speculate, but i think all these pros know they wouldn't be as good with those sticks
Always went to the driving range with my granddad and this is all he had. One time the club head just broke and flew off. Need to buy some modern woods for myself.
Equipment manufacturers won't want a roll back on equipment. If the pros had to play with restricted clubs, no amateur would want them unless it became club rules. Major revenue would be lost by the manufacturers. Balls wear out and everyone has to buy them and so much less of a revenue hit with similar results regarding distance. Clubs tech won't be rolled back!!! $$$
They should play a Pro-Am tournament where they have to use the old clubs ,Then let’s see how special they are. I’m not saying they’re not good, but I’m saying that modern day equipment compared to what the guys played with years ago is totally different
@@dereksimpson1284 that just means the person who uploaded it either knows nothing about golf clubs or is just as old as we are and the 1980s feels like it was only 20 years ago 🤣
Adam Scott *smoothed* that 20 year old fairway wood at a ball speed that I’d be happy with off my driver. But, in my defense, I’m still using a Titleist 913D3 😂😂
I still have a 975J and 975F in my bag - will play those until I die. Along with my Zevo Z1 irons, it's not the equipment that explains why I have a 12 handicap - it's me.
I guess it is like fishing and all sorts, it actually makes you appreciate how good and knowledgeable people were in certain sports 20 years or more ago. Today maybe the equipment is much of the skill, rather than the players/people. At least with these you have to hit nice and play nice or itle show, I can wack balls miles and do great shots with my mates expensive clubs,, of course some are dodgy shots but the majority are so much better than my cheap old set and I am a pretty crap golfer lol kind of my point though.
They had the best clubs money could buy at the time with the latest technology of the day. I bet Gene Sarazen was saying the same thing about Jack and Arnie
We were told that the golfers today are just better athletes, all their gains are due to increased athleticism and not technology. That doesn’t appear to be the case here.
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I love how all of them were complaining about the clubs, back in the day these were the best you could find. It gives you a lot of appreciation for the old striker's.
and the players back then kicked butt with them. they are spoiled now. Like the clubs do most the work. Like aim assist on a controller does most the aiming. I got turned away how they just bitoched the whole time.
@@redtesta tell us you don't play golf without telling us you don't play golf much? 🙄🙄🙄 I'd love to see you personally test the whole "the clubs do most of the work" theory 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AntonVanDerSar Idk man, kinda agree with the above comment. If the golf club is easier to use, has a longer shaft with more flexibility, a bigger hit box with tons more forgiveness from a slice or draw. Then I'm gonna say yea, the club does most of the work for the mass majority. If you can NOT hit the same yardage with the same control on old clubs it's cuz the tech is doing major work. Sucks you suck that bad for playing so much but kudos mate. Enjoy.
@@user-ck9tb4fv2x m'kay, "mate." Go hit even a 905T and tell me how hard it is to hit it straight. Yet Tiger won how many majors with it? Yes, the new clubs make it easier, but you're obviously not a golfer if you think the clubs are doing "most of the work." Mate, that's just bloody idiotic. Ad idiotic as eating vegemite. Or Raygun's "dance moves."
Adam Scott has already come out and said that driver heads should be the focal point of the rollback instead of the ball. Not saying this video proves his point but it's an interesting demonstration.
Yeah, completely agree. I think the mini driver for example seems to go plenty far for these guys. It’s just the length that players are able to get with driver that’s causing issues, so why not just change the rules for the driver instead of punishing every club by changing the ball.
@@back2back379 He said something to the affect of "Driver used to be the hardest club to hit straight and far. Now it's the easiest with modern heads". It does seem that driver distance is the real outlier in terms of modern golf compared to prior decades. A modern 7 iron goes further but of course the loft is closer to a traditional 6 iron or even 5 iron.
Yeah, problem is that thing they call moola
The mini driver proves it doesn't 🤷
Agree, they should let TOUR PROs decide. None on earth knows better than them how to fix the new era golfing problem of just Driving and Wedging.
This is not only a testament on how much better today's clubs are due to technologically, it's an bigger testament to how good the players were who used these and were able to hit 270 plus yards with them constantly.
Remember Palmer would hit it 270 with a persimmon driver. Dude was a beast.
If these guys spent decades with these clubs, the results would be very similar.
If they gave all the players the same club w similar shafts as their normal clubs theyd hit them better for sure
It should be noted that 270 was not a normal distance on tour when some of these clubs were out there. Some of your longer guys, like Hogan, Nicklaus, Palmer, Snead, they could hit this equipment that far. But the average tour player was nowhere near that
@@jazzyjay4595 270 was normal in the 80's (even short for the tour) but that was 40 years ago when they were using persimmon. These clubs are only 20 years old; from the early 2000's. They called them metal woods when they came out. Swings have adapted to the changes in clubs and balls over the years. If Rory had a month to figure out the equipment, he'd be hitting the ball 300 for sure. 20 years ago, Tiger and Daly were the big hitters and they were hitting it over 300.
I think club rollback would really be helpful to distinguish good ball striker and rest. Modern clubs have too much forgiveness I personally think
Nicklaus won a long drive contest ate 341 yards in the sixties with a persimmon driver and 1960’s golf ball….enough said
Insane
And John Daly would still smoke these boys with this gear
@@PawPawGreglmao you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about it's insane
@@PawPawGreg unlike you I have more than half a brain
Amen
P. Harrington is pure class... 0 excuses,...... and rips it.. 60% of players go way left....
"Was that what Ken Weyand was using last week" 🤣 have to love Eddie
Eddie would need to do his talking with the clubs - Missed the cut by 6 this week.
Really puts John Daly's skill into perspective. It's all relative though. If these were the types of clubs every player was forced to use, then it's just a variable they all have to account for and it's the same for all of them. I'd love to see charity tournaments/pro-ams/exhibitions where players used old sets/clubs for the first 2 rounds and then see what the final round or 2 is like with their modern gear.
Its crazy seeing the huge jump in ball speed these guys get when they hit Callaway Hawkeye Titanium vs the old steel woods. Ball speed numbers for the guys hitting that are still in the 170s!
As someone who plays 30 yr old DCI irons, I love this!
This proves the golf ball rollback to be irrelevant... Just make driver heads smaller.
For just the tour guys. Don’t make the rest of us suffer
Golf was still a great game 20-30 years ago, I just don't think the players of today realise how much easier it is today.
😂😂 give them Dunlop clubs from the 80s. That’ll sort out their ball speed and carry distance 😂
@@Dickie2702It’s not much easier for amateurs but it’s a hell of a lot easier for the best players in the world.
These guys can launch 3 woods 280+. Isn’t the size of the head, it’s the legal trampoline effect.
The simplest thing to do would be simply make courses harder for these guys.
Isn’t Adam Scott just like the best person ever. What a legend
I learned how to play golf with this generation of clubs. I still have an old (must be 40 years old by now) 5 wood that I like to practice with because it forces me to be accurate with my swing.
Except for a brand new Callaway seven wood, not yet played with and a five year old driver, I have a set of X-12's I bought in 1996.
What's the problem?
Padraigs two shots were class
Now you know how good Jack, Gary and Arnold were when they played with those type of clubs.
Don't forget Mr. Hogan. It's in the dirt.
Dp world with solid content every time. Loving it.
I always love when im in an outing and there's an old-club-challenge. Some bloke broke out a 92 king snake driver and it was a riot watching guys try to middle it
Love at 5:34, the veteran caddy schoolin’ the young pro. Love it 😂
I'd say..."old schoolin'"! 😂
my caddy talked to me like that hes fired
@@MattIce1234 Going to fire your mum? 🤣
this proves my point I made years ago when the first "roll back the ball" remarks surfaced. It's the driver and oversized clubs. 120+ swing speeds won't work with the smaller head sizes.
Great to see Rob Rock... Legend!!
I still use an R7 driver just now which is about 20 years old.All my other clubs are new but I just can't get away from the driver as it works well for me.I've tried drivers with bigger heads
but still always went back to the old faithful
This just proves how insanely good tiger was
Tiger, Nicklaus, Hogan, Knudson, Trevino, the list goes on. Read Hogans biography to see how accurate he was, in his practise rounds he would hit three drives - one to the left, one down the middle, and one to right hand side of the fairway, so he could assess the best line of approach to the flag.
I had just started playing golf when the Callaway Great Big Bertha came out. It was enormous compared to my Tommy Armour 845 driver. lol
I grew up using persimmon woods, back in the days when a 280m drive was considered very long, but now its about average. Technology has taken the art of golfing your ball around the course, out of golf.
A metal-wood rollback would be VASTLY more appropriate than the ball being the issue.
Exactly! But then the problem becomes Taylormade and Callaway couldn’t charge $700 for a driver which we all know is the real issue with golf. Everyone wants to talk about how pro golfers are getting too much distance but the PGA will punish the amateur just so that OEMs can continue to make money by over charging for equipment.
The USGA have covered this and said rolling back clubs has a knock-on effect through the bag, which is why the ball is a better target in the first instance. They want to address modern drivers too but it's a much bigger task.
@@BTal-kp1qd “knock on effect through the bag” is OEM code for we can’t charge as much for the minimal gains we push every year. 😂
It would be like pro baseball using wood bats and college using metal bats. Great idea.
@@lxlpsycho This has been discussed at length by the USGA. Everyone with any power in golf is 100% opposed to bifurcation which is why it's so hard to implement club changes.
Jack nicklaus hit a 340 yard drive at the US open ceremony long drive competition before the US open with a wooden head. Simply the best.
Would have love some detail on the actual clubs they were hitting.
The TaylorMade Metalwood driver they were using came out in 1979. That Ram Steel driver came out in the early 1980s
Yes, the video maker is lazy, all they had to do is put a description of the club, or name while they were swinging.
Adam Scotts swing is butter.
Shows how good woods , els etc were and how long they were. Watched tiger and els religiously years ago and they were smashing over 300 with ease.. tiger reaching 340-350 at times.
Every now and then I'll see someone using old clubs like these and I tell them they're giving up a ton of distance. Modern drivers are amazing!
The paint mark left by the tee isn't a true indication of swing path. The tee often leans as it's struck creating what looks like a massive out to in path. Now, scratches on the bottom of a club ARE a good indicator.
That was great, and to think I used to hit my TaylorMade Pittsburgh Persimmon over 300 (with roll) back in the 90s makes me feel good, but old!!!
I had a nice set of Power Built woods. I could smoke the 2 wood 275. This was back in 1989. Wish I still had them, they were pretty.
I game a nice, good quality vintage set once every 10 rounds for fun...
Despite the lower distances, properly "snicking" the ball with a persimmon driver is bloody glorious.
Being 54 years old. I started with the real woods. I was a 5 HDCP today stuff makes everyone look good. This was my time and I played the same woods Titiliest woods Tiger played. Ball striking was a art back then.
A lot of these bad shots are down to rubbish soft shafts and lofts too high for them
And even more are due to several of the players teeing up the ball too high, as was pointed out to one of them in the video (can't remember who without going back through it). I immediately noticed that loads of them didn't know the optimal tee height for these older clubs.
Great video guys, that Qi 10 club looks very intriguing
When I had the old TM burner we used 6-8 degrees.. missiles. Went through 1/2 shafts a year, or till neck bent hitting off the deck..
Are they hitting balata balls too? I still have my Titleist 975D which is over 20 years old...I hit plenty of drives over 300 with it
The driver I use now is a Callaway FT5 from 2007/2008.
Serious question, if I hit it about 245m carry (about 260-265y) can anyone tell me what carry I should expect with a modern one? I'm falling in love with 2024's Ping Driver. But also a comparison with 2022/2023 Drivers would be much appreciated.
Tour pros hit it in the centre more often (obviously). If you play on tour, you play with a smaller headed driver with thicker rough, more hazards and trees/bushes on landing zones... What would be REALLY interesting is one of the tours - once a year having a tournament where these restrictions are in place.
I grew up playing persimmon woods and blade irons. Tough discipline.
I’m 51 years old, and still play scratch golf with a Callaway 460 driver(2007), Callaway Diablo Octane woods(2008), Callaway X-12 irons(1998), and Ping ISI wedges(1997). lol
I’m 21 years old. I just started playing in the fall but I use Golden Bear XS Tech irons and driver (from late 90’s) and a few other irons definitely from the 80’s and a 5 wood from 92’. At first i never thought i’d be able to hit Par with these clubs and that i’d have to pay a hefty price just to be good at golf but that’s all wrong. It’s all in the swing. It’s almost spring and i could never see myself buying a new set of clubs unless they were a gift.
Congratulations
I switched from titleist tci’s to the last generation ap2s and I’m glad I switched. The newer club just feels better.
That just goes to show how it's true what they say "it's not the arrow, it's the Indian"
@@doughboy1338 My buddies hit their newer drivers about 10 yards further than me, on average. They’re about 1.5 clubs longer than me, with their irons(mostly because the lofts are juiced up). I just can’t justify spending $3,000 for new clubs, when we compete neck n neck anyways. I’m out there to control my ball, and score. NOT to brag about how far I hit my 9 iron. But hey…. To each his own. lol
I did golf back in the days, and now i am doing archery. Started with a complete 500 compound bow, now I am shooting a 4000$ bow.... so yeah, you get great results when you are on top of your game and have top equipment. When I doubt my equipmen, I remember the natives that were on top of their game, with arrows out of tree branches and bow that was carved by hand.. equipment helps a lot, you have to be on top of your game.. maybe impose clubs and balls to be the same for all! 🤷♂️😉👌♥️
John Daly used a Big Bertha in 97 and averaged 302 - Tiger used a small headed Titleist with a steel shaft and averaged about 295 early on, so it can be done if struck pure.
Just think Greg Norman used to hit these woods dead straight - 300 yards!!!! He was incredible!!
No Greg Norman had persimmon..... even as late as 1992 he was still playing a custom-made persimmon driver they were selling it in my Pro Shop for 300 us back in 92
Decent ballspeeds as expected from these MODERN balls. Have them hit balls from that same era, to do a true test. But, they did have solid core hard balls in 2000, so it's not that far off, other than the overall length of the club and the forgiveness (or lack there of), and the loft angles. I was using the original one from 1991, the Taylormade. 20 years isn't much, they needed to go back 30 years at least when the first metal ones really started to be sold.
Not sure how these clubs are 20 years old. Taylormade came out with its first Titanium driver in 95. In 2004 there was the R7 quad which was 410cc from memory and these guys would still launch that.
These are more like 30 years old.
The Callaway Hawkeye is late 90's. The small TM is early 90's or maybe late 80's. The RAM something similar.
Taylor Made Original One came out in 1979.
I think you your right. These clubs are +30 to 40 years old. I had a taylor made with a graphite shaft club in the 90's and could hit it pretty long. John daly was hitting 300 yards in 1997. Mcllroy is averaging 320 now (swing speed 120mph).
the Wilson whale was the first titanium driver.
We were selling it in our Pro Shop in 1991 and it was $699 Canadian back in 1991😮
Wilson signed John Daly away from Cobra and made this driver for him
Absolutely think the ball roll back should be replaced with the club roll back.
that is quite the city skyline in the background, where is it?
Why run the game for the tiny proportion of players that get paid to play golf. Equipment advances have made the game more enjoyable for the vast majority of us weekend golfers. Finding the middle is still hard and the ability to create power and still find the middle is a tremendous skill.
Love to see one tournament with these clubs - would definitely separate the really solid ball strikers from the rest. If they all had to roll back to these clubs for a season, of course most would adapt, but for a single tournament, certain players, like Adam Scott and Tommy Fleetwood, would likely dominate.
I still swing my clubs from the mid 90s. Tommy Armour 855s and an old Big Bertha driver.
Good to see Joaquin in the mix. Let's go!
My favorite driver I ever had was a 1988 Taylor Made Tour Burner, 7 degrees, 45 1/2 in titanium shaft. Was playing in a two day regional golf tournament in high school and someone swiped it out of my bag while we were eating lunch. I’ve hit drivers with new tech that are definitely longer, but I’ve never hit a more consistent driver.
Does anyone remember early '80's Northwestern Thunderbird metal with Powerkick shaft? I teamed this with Titleist Tour 812 blades with Lambkin leather grips. Still only got down to 7hcp🙄
I used to have the the original Taylormade Burner Plus 9.5. I used to think that was an awesome driver until I got the callaway big Bertha warbird. The sound on the warbird was nice and it actually made the driver so much easier to use. I’m sure those clubs are more like 30+ years old not 20. Ahhh the good old days when I used to have a hero bag setup. Driver 7.5, tour Brassie 12.5, then Wilson FG-51 blades 1-SW and a 8802 blade putter. Didn’t make that hard myself now did I 🤣😅
I still have my Big Bertha 3 wood in my bag, I hit it straight and long almost always. I have no intention of swapping it out.
Daly was hitting those old clubs 300.
Yep He hit one 340 yards against Jim Dent back in 1994.
Average 300+ in 2000 I believe, first to do it
the guys that used these clubs in the past were better ball strikers than today-primarily off the tee. I started playing when woods were woods.
As a PGA of America professional I've said it for 10 years about the ball. A Pro V has been out 23 years now
If you gave the top 10 longest players and send them back to 1980 and give them a ballata ball and wooden club they'd have flew it as far as Zoeller had with roll at 280 cause they can
The reason you're seeing 160 to 170 mph ball speed it's because all of these drivers have 42-in shafts which correspond to a modern three wood.
If you look at the ball speed off of modern three Woods for these pros , it will be right in that range as well.
Remember when they increased the head size they added 3 inches to the shaft....42 to 45
So are the USGA and R&A wrong in focusing on the ball rather than the equipment?
those clubs were ahead of its time!
For those saying to roll back the ball just watch this video.
Sure they could time it much better with custom shafts but when you reduce gear effect, head size, MOI, etc... it puts a premium on finding the sweet spot consistently and isn't that what a pro is supposed to do after 1000s of hours working on their swings. Just make them all play muscleback blades and smaller drivers. Heck in this video some of these guys were hitting it off the map and would be punished for that in tournament play.
Then you'd also avoid some people that are gonna cheat at USGA events by bringing in an old ball (hard to spot). It'd be pretty obvious what clubs are and aren't allowed.
Radar looking good
I would have loved to see them hit Tiger's old Cobra Grey Stainless in a steel shaft like the one he used to win the Masters.
Most of these clubs look older than 20 years - the Callaway Great Big Bertha came out before that which started the large head driver trend. They need to roll back clubs and balls, but with modern analysis the pros will have their shafts exactly matched and heads weighted for them, so they will be able to hit further than in this video. Might have to dial down a bit though in competition as they know that they haven’t got as much compensation in a huge sweet spot.
Golf doesn't have a distance problem, it has an amateur PERCEPTION problem.
@@ProffessorJoe the fact that golf courses have to extend themselves indicates that it has a distance problem. Most golf courses don’t have the land required to lengthen themselves. Many golf courses were architected with hazards in specific places to affect drives, etc, but that’s all invalidated if your average amateur can now just drive over them because of equipment.
@@AndrewDCDrummond Yeah they should ban drivers and woods for pros, irons only.
@@berg0444 Or roll back the ball and maybe driver size...
I think its a Hawk Eye so was from around 2000.
A lot of these clubs were from thirty years ago, not twenty. I know, because I am a club hoarder. I have VHS tapes of pros playing tournaments, and often they show in a caption how far they hit their tee shots and how far remaining to the hole. The pros' distances back thirty years ago were about the same as measured here.
After 20 yrs I finally got a TS2...wow, the tech is amazing in the new clubs. I'm now using a driver off the tbox again 😅
I think these golf clubs are older than 20years callaway came out in mid 90s these are older
This just validates how great Tiger and Jack was, they were bombing drives with clubs like that.
First time I’ve seen Hatton NOT shout obscenities.🤐
I actually use a driver that is over 20 years old. Titleist 975jvs. Love it!
I think the biggest issue is the CT/COR of the modern clubs not the ball. USGA/RA need to reset the Size, CT/COR and MOI back to ~1993 tech. So much fun watching great swings get rewarded and mediocre swings get punished.
Ball, drivers, 3 wood were all so different the ball wasn't optimized for the Drivers until the mid 90s so it was challenging to change your swing to take off spin or then gain spin. But you learned how to be a ball strike. I remember when they went to 260cc and we thought that was big 😂
This honestly just makes tiger even more impressive when you think how his prime years were 20 years ago. Sane for Nickolas, palmer and the other old timers.
I’ve suggested it before. I feel like golf should be like baseball. It’s a lot easier to hit it out of the park with an aluminum bat vs wood. That’s why amateurs get the aluminum.
Pick a time frame in golf and freeze it. I’m my mind i’d be ok with Persimmons and blades. I think to a degree if would even the playing field.
The best golfer's In the world are on the LIV tour !!!!
Rory could hit a toaster straight
Bot🤣he hooked his first shot 150 yards left hahahaha
No runout though. Still, he could have a snack before his second shot.
@@user-tg8qo6nz9khe didn’t say on his first try dumbshit
Rory doesn't win majors
The clubs these pros are hitting here are much older than 20 years old. The Taylor Made Original One 12 degree Driver they were hitting is more like 40-45 years old. Twenty years ago they were already hitting the big titanium headed monsters that are the norm today.
You can now see how the new clubs make inconsistent swings to pro strikes. Don't roll the ball back. Keep all lofts of the clubs to traditional degrees. Clubs checked for lofts after a competition game like automotive scrutineering.
Ban drivers and woods for pros, irons only.
Imagine if the players who "Had" to use this equipment in their primes, were privy to today's equipment... one can speculate, but i think all these pros know they wouldn't be as good with those sticks
Good bit of fun, this.
Always went to the driving range with my granddad and this is all he had. One time the club head just broke and flew off. Need to buy some modern woods for myself.
Equipment manufacturers won't want a roll back on equipment. If the pros had to play with restricted clubs, no amateur would want them unless it became club rules. Major revenue would be lost by the manufacturers. Balls wear out and everyone has to buy them and so much less of a revenue hit with similar results regarding distance. Clubs tech won't be rolled back!!! $$$
Half my club use 20yo clubs weekly
Anybody else see Hatton's drive just after 8:00 was such a shank the tracer thought it was a normal hit lol
They should play a Pro-Am tournament where they have to use the old clubs ,Then let’s see how special they are.
I’m not saying they’re not good, but I’m saying that modern day equipment compared to what the guys played with years ago is totally different
I'm thinking cool, a 20 year old driver. Then I realize that's just 2004. Crap I feel old now
They weren't even clubs from 2004. They're from 1984 😂.
That TaylorMade Metalwood and Ram Steel driver came out in 1979
@@PatMcCarthy420 the title of the video says 20 year old clubs
@@dereksimpson1284 that just means the person who uploaded it either knows nothing about golf clubs or is just as old as we are and the 1980s feels like it was only 20 years ago 🤣
Meth heads
Adam Scott *smoothed* that 20 year old fairway wood at a ball speed that I’d be happy with off my driver. But, in my defense, I’m still using a Titleist 913D3 😂😂
I still have a 975J and 975F in my bag - will play those until I die. Along with my Zevo Z1 irons, it's not the equipment that explains why I have a 12 handicap - it's me.
I have both those drivers😂
@@jimmiematho8082 Seriously, man, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The dude I used to play with had a graphite 3 wood. And he was a 4 handicap.
I guess it is like fishing and all sorts, it actually makes you appreciate how good and knowledgeable people were in certain sports 20 years or more ago. Today maybe the equipment is much of the skill, rather than the players/people. At least with these you have to hit nice and play nice or itle show, I can wack balls miles and do great shots with my mates expensive clubs,, of course some are dodgy shots but the majority are so much better than my cheap old set and I am a pretty crap golfer lol kind of my point though.
Respect Jack and Arnie and the rest who played these and the actual woods.
They couldn't hid behind the equipment.
They had the best clubs money could buy at the time with the latest technology of the day.
I bet Gene Sarazen was saying the same thing about Jack and Arnie
Love seeing pros get humbled once in a while
I'm 35 years old and started on wooden woods. I still have my persimmons and actually hit it further than they are. That's scary
these drivers are older than 20 years old. in 2004 i had a mizuon blur rage driver these are early to mid 90s
I would like to see modern pros using classic persimmon wood drivers. My first set of woods were made from wood.
Everyone is focusing on the heads. The distance is mostly coming from the shaft & ball.
We were told that the golfers today are just better athletes, all their gains are due to increased athleticism and not technology. That doesn’t appear to be the case here.
Good fun.