We Will Fix It In Photoshop - This Week In Retro 160
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- We are joined by Banjo Guy Ollie this week to take a look at the forthcoming Jeff Minter documentary , to look back at 34 years of Photoshop and the latest release of EXOSCUMM VM.
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00:00 - Show Opening
04:55 - Minty Fresh Minted Minter
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16:23 - AdoBE Or Not AdoBE That Is The Question
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32:59 - Dave's Housekeeping
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44:00 - Exoscumm
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59:46 - Community Question of the Week
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Episode Credits
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Thank you for the inclusion of the special bonus ending. :-)
They should have started with this.
Nice extras after the outro, with Chris. For the record, Neil, Dave, & Chris had a good onscreen team dynamic. Everyone's unique perspective served to balance the show, keeping it both interesting and entertaining. Guest appearances are nice, but the three of you, along with Duncan's editing expertise helped to make the show a success.
Thanks. Yeah, we miss Chris too.
Thanks for being a part of my Saturday mornings by the way 😄👍
I agree with Dave. The advent of the DOS era where hard dives, VGA and Soundblasters burst onto the scene ushered in something akin to the Cambrian Explosion of life where so much new fauna blossomed. It was truly a sight to behold and to experience firsthand.
Turning the progress bar into a Larson scanner during the fantastic Knight Rider rendition was a nice touch!
no way..Ollie.. the legend
i defo think deluxe paint was a major influence on photoshop as it came out 2 years before photoshop and shares many of the same tools.
Makes you wonder what the world would be like if Deluxe Paint and Photon Paint carried on into the Windows and later Mac classic eras and beyond.
8:39 Yep I spotted the Amstrad colour easter egg there - Nice work Duncan 😁
Well done. 😁
Dave will have to wait a while longer for his copy of the Flame Wars book. They are clearly shipping copies to all the Amiga users first.
Mine arrived yesterday, but I wasn't home.
Looking in the comments to see who else spotted the Amstrad text colour change. Lovely bit of detail there from Duncan.
Jeff Minter streams his morning feeding of his sheep, donkey and alpaca on TH-cam EVERY DAY, btw.
I listen to banjo guys monkey island theme every Sunday while cooking the Sunday dinner. And it's Sunday morning now, so I'll be listening to it later today 😁
The Emerson Arcadia 2001 was a budget console released in 1982, built to a $99 price point. A new American budget console released in 1982 did about as well as you would expect. Even though I live near where Emerson is headquartered, I've seen one exactly once. But I do own one cart for it if I ever do get my mitts on one.
Great show, but with Chris there too it would have been 25% better. And I loved the ending!
CRT Radiation was what all thos TCO95 stickers and such were about. On older monitors you also often find attached third party radiation protection shields. Sort of sunglasses for the CRT
Jeff Minter was also known in the Netherlands (well... at least by me :), I really enjoyed his Commodore 64 games, even spent an insame amount of time typing in an assembly listing from a UK magazine. Fun times :)
I had never heard the lama song..
Started with Photoshop 3. So comes the 4 with dropshadows and everything in the web had dropshadows.
Hover Bovver.... a Jeff Minter classic on the C64:) although no Lamas in that..
Jeff Minter has been a massive inspiration of mine since I was a 6 year old. We had a cartridge version of Gridrunner that was labeled “Attack of the Mutant Camels” for our C64, and then discovered Hover Bovver on a copied disc… amazing games for the time, and then knew nothing of him until I bought my first Xbox 360 and discovered Space Giraffe and was the most addicted to a game I had been in a long time. I was then seeking out everything and anything he released. The Minotaur Project games early for my original iPad, Gridrunner Revolution for the PC, TxK on the Vita… such incredibly well designed games that would have sat along side classic arcade games in a cabinet. I’ll always support his work, and can’t wait for this interactive documentary, especially since the entire iOS Minotaur Project is unplayable on modern iOS. I bought them all and am still sad I don’t get to play them today.
FYI - the Llama song isn't quite yet 20 years old, at least according to Know Your Meme. It was first uploaded to DeviantArt in July of 2004.
Great show guys!
Excellent guesting from the banjo guy!
great episode! ty.
I was late on getting to this one. I have used Photoshop, Also, Photo-P, GIMP, Krita, I kind of think they all do the job I need them to do but nothing now or ever will come close to the fun of Deluxe Paint on the Amiga! :)
Neil's obsession with flight sims is no yoke
His obsession has scrambled his brain.
@@Lordborak316I think it’s why I play all FPS games with the “invert mouse” setting turned on.
@@CantankerousDave once you go inverted you never go back
It's ok , he's got a handle on it
@@banjoguyollie it really pushes all the right buttons for him
Jeff is amazing :) (Denmark)
10:48 DVD player with gaming features... Nuon?
That's why I thought Neil was referring to
yes
First comment..... Photoshop is good, but im not paying for it monthly. I want to own my software not have it as a service.
same
what are you using as alternative?
Affinity photo 2. Pay once. Love it
I guess the benefit is if you only need to use it for one thing you sign up for one month and then cancel it afterwards?
Personally, for vector work and the odd bit of photo editing, i've gone with Affinity, but partly because Serif is based very local to me and it's supporting folk I know.
Ollie does sound a bit like an Irish Denis Villeneuve...
Projects that make old software viable on new PCs are always helpful. But one thing that bums me out a little, is how they sometimes end up edging out _actual copies_ of old software. E.g., if you can buy an old game on GOG, then it's no longer "abandoned" and the more legit abandonware sites respectfully step back from hosting disk images. It's great that it's available again, but if you are sitting in front of an honest to gosh 486, and the only copy you can find is one that has been stripped of all its DOSisms and packaged into an emulator set to boot the game on launch, then you don't have the original -- and often can't de-package it to play on real hardware. It's now not just abandoned, but _lost._ At least in its original form.
I had this problem a few times recently, when I went on the bay and bought a boxed copy of a game, ran into a bad disk, and couldn't find an image file to create a new one because some website had a version for sale that ran on Windows 10. Not helpful. Likewise, where can I find a copy of Kings Quest for PCjr? No seriously. Where? I'd like to know.
Preservation isn't just "how do I play this on a new PC?" That's a problem that needs to be solved, for sure, and I'm thankful so much work has been done on that front. But it shouldn't be solved at the expense of the genuine article.
This Ollie fella has a strange accent. Is it French? A bit. Is it Irish? More so. Is it both? Yes.
I completely dropped Adobe since they've gone all subscription. I still have an old CS4 installed installed on my old Mac Pro, but I rarely use it, since I bought the Affinity suite last year when there was a discount. And for my use cases, the Affinity stuff is more than sufficient and buying the whole package was less than a Photoshop subscription for a single year. Hell, even GIMP would be enough for me, but its UI is still lacking. But in general, I simply don't support software subscriptions.
Yep. Still use XP-era Paint Shop Pro here. Subs are a deal breaker.
I think dos gaming was the best as the games are nerdy and well designed
B3ta eh, the very source of my name, well the b3ta bit that is....I am just a few days away from my 22nd B3ta Birthday for my user number 1456 (sadly I had an earlier account which I lost access to which would have made me even older on that wonderful, wonderful place).
Meet some truly wonderful people using that place and still know them today.
The B3ta bashes were the thing of legend, with each one that I went to resulting
in an aching face from laughing so much.
The talent which started on there and still going strong today is a testament to what joys not only photoshop can help create but the old skool flash too.
I think the phrase Neil is looking for RE MS Access is "victim of its own success" -- he's right that the hate wasn't so deserved, it was more a case of misapplication of the tool than the tool being bad in itself. And then, in defense of users who deployed Access to solve problems that it really shouldn't have, the migration path to something more robust was often prohibitively expensive in programmer time and software licenses...
But unless you were in IT from 1995-2005 this has to be the most boring discussion possible XD
I use the Adobe suite every day, and I absolutely despise effectively paying them to be a beta tester.
Their updates break functionality so often that I now have to stay several versions behind. They once broke fonts in After Effects and denied there was a problem for SIX MONTHS before there was finally a fix.
Just awful.
Problem is, they're industry standard 🤷♂️
Bad Microsoft products? What about Bob?
I think exoDOS is extremely problematic and I am glad you at least mentioned that it's essentially pirated copies - something which Phils Computerlab failed to do, which might be even more problematic than the project itself.
I don't worry about Exodos, I rather worry about platforms like GOG and indie developers.
Why?
You can argue that people can always pirate games. Sure. But why are people actually buying games?
1. Usually it's more comfortable buying it, than searching and downloading a torrent for example
2. Because people are aware it is illegal, and they want to stay on the legal side
3. Because people want to support the developer
And all of these points are put in jeopardy by Exodos.
Yes, they might not include games which are less than 5 years on. But for example it does include 8-Bit Guys Planet X3, a game which released in 2018 but which was released on steam in 2023. It's another good reason to not do new games in DOS and rather focus on Amiga or C64 for example.
Exodos does NOT list which license the game is on. Whether it's freeware, it's still being sold (=pirated Copy), or it's abandonware (also legally a pirated copy).
Daggerfall, which is officially available for free and Planet X3 are both just listed as "Source: Commercial"
The lack of awareness is something which is then also magnified by other outlets wich just praise the project, and it is a bit similar to what we saw with shady graymarket dealers, who spent lots of money for content creators making advertisement for their platforms, making them appear more common and legit. And if everyone is using it, it has to be good and legal, right? Regarding third party resellers it's mostly the lack of awareness which I see as problematic. If you are not aware doing something bad, you also don't consider the alternatives, like buying the game from a legitimate source. Gone so bad up to the point pubslishers are afraid of disabling fraudulent keys being resold to not get hit by a shitstorm, because of people not being aware the sites are not legitimate.
Exodos also naturally just downloads all games (though you can decide not to). Basically bringing all games with all settings right to your fingertips. Making it actually even easier to use and more accessible than GOG. Why should you go and check for the game on gog, when you already have it installed, and it's just one click away? In fact, Phils Computerlab was also praising that it offers more options, like Roland. Yeah, ofc, because they also don't need to worry about any legal problems regarding licenses (which GOG does need to worry about).
Btw: If you are intending to use dosbox for the museum, which I would see as contra productive as you basically make advertisement for piracy, I would still consider only installing the "base" without any games, and then only install the games you actually own. Otherwise you might also get into legal trouble. From what I know the Retro Museum in Hamburg (Retrokompott) is only presenting games there they actually have legal copies of.
There have been news recently about Nintendo shutting down Emulator projects. Of course they get boohed out. But if you look at Exodos, I think they have a really good reason to do so. This is the single lever they have. Once such a platform is fully developed and spread into the wild, accessible to everyone with an easy to access library, and everyone starts using it (like what ExoDOS is approaching), then these old games are basically dead, and not worth to bring to new platforms. And I think Exodus is going to contribute to GOGs demise. They didn't do great financially before, and if Exodos becomes even more popular, there is no reason for them anymore to put any effort in making old games officially available again.
I would have much prefered the option Dave mentioned: That you need to provide your own files. Or they could have offered a fantastic library of official freeware and Demos. But they opted for blunt piracy instead.
Not Adobe. Never again. Affinity or open source.
Colorspace By jeff Minter on the Atari 8bits blew my mind when I was a kid. I had no idea what it was for but fiddled with it loads! When Winamp came out it all made sense and it seemed really familiar! I met him at as Atari show when I was a kid, we had an Atari 800xl and he was one of the few people whose name I knew who made games when I was a kid. Up to that point I hadn't really thought that people actually made games at all! He also supported the 8bit Atari platform when few other did in the UK. He was really nice!
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