Love Winamp. Was introduced to it along with ICQ and Photoshop 5.5. Still use PS and Winamp. Currently building a version for my Sony Xperia 10II phone for SailfishOS. The visualizer Milk Drop is the best plugin I've ever seen. I've called mine WimpAMP as it won't have all the features of the real Winamp.
Remember a 486 DX2-66 could _barely_ decode an MP3 with not many cycles left for doing much else. But since my P166MMX days I can't count how many times I've migrated my carefully tagged library. The iTunes days were comfy but hell to migrate from... and the tag standards weren't set in stone fifteen years ago
Winamp was cool but pllaying mp3's on an Amiga with Amigaamp back in 1999 was proper heroic! An 030 or better was required and no terms or conditions applied. It was simply rip on PC and enjoy on Amiga lol
Re: WinAmp and "the digital disconnect" -- I see any device that is wholly independent of another device as counting as disconnected. It's as digital as CD, but CD doesn't check online for an activation server, it doesn't stream ads, and it doesn't doom-scroll. So, IMO, a WinAmp box counts. Further, I don't think audio UIs ever got a lot better than WinAmp 2.x. In terms of no BS, just drop your files in and hit play... everything after pretty much went downhill. The only thing I could _kind of_ miss from "modern" players is the "Play Next" and "Play Later" submenus from iTunes, e.g., which allows playlist-within-a-playlist functionality. But even then, its usability is not that great, and the clean and snappy response of WinAmp (even on Pentium II era machines!!) is just so practical. So, car head unit WinAmp? Yeah, let's go!
There's nothing wrong with developing for an 030/50 AGA. That was the standard baseline spec between 1995 and 1999 as far as I'm concerned. We saw what a good A500 Outrun port would have been like in the 1980s from the Batman The Movie level 2 tech.
Too bad that Commodore failed in 1994! The bulk of Amiga owners had a 500/600. The A1200 was niche and any machine with faster CPUs than the stock ones were just exotic. They can do it, but very few people would be able to run it.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 We are nearly 30 years past 1995 now and there are many 030+spec accelerators now on the market. There is simply no reason to target a stock A500 today other than to prove a developer's superior knowledge and dedication to achieve something impossible back in the 1980s! A good Outrun was not impossible on the A500 but it has already been proved by Batman The Movie!
It's criminal that we have companies, businesses and government telling us to help save the environment and recycle but we are not allowed to take electronics from the tip to recycle and rescue (at our own risk).
Distinctly remember 12 years ago when I was making my retro arcade bartop machine I tried to take a monitor from the tip and was told to put it back. Couldn't believe it, absolutely no logic at all and so wasteful
I have read that the UK has some strict laws on what we call dumpster diving. In the US there was a Supreme Court ruling in 1988 they declared it legal in all 50 states (California v. Greenwood) BUT this only applies to dumpsters not on private property, so if a store has a dumpster on their property, it's technically trespassing to take anything out of it. In practice, many businesses don't care and the local cops care even less. Still, some businesses are dead set against it and will even intentionally damage discarded items so they can't be scavenged. It seems the best policy is to ask first. In most cases the business owner will be OK with it so long as you don't make a huge mess, which unfortunately many divers do, giving us all a bad name.
Because neither the companies, businesses nor the governments give a s**t about the environment, actually! Except when the narrative serves as pretext for some select individuals to funnel public money into personal pockets.
The biggest issue with electronics was the risk of electrocution or fire. To be honest I feel the risk of both of these is low and no different to buying things made in cheap countries like China and India, but I know at one time it was illegal to sell vintage lamps and heaters with plugs on for this very reason and they were to be sold as decorative only.
Back in the '90s I used to go to the library and take out 10 CDs for £1 and rip the hell out of them, take them back and get 10 more the next day. The library staff must have thought I was insane haha. I backed-up all the mp3s to hundreds of CDrs which I promptly filed away neatly in folders, to barely ever be used again haha, and have no doubt all got disc rot now any way!. I still use Winamp now, with the classic skin, it's still my favourite way to quckly right-click play a folder of compressed music, and the huge number of plug-ins that still work for it make it just as useful to me now as 25 years ago!
I still use winamp, with the skin I had in the early 2000s! Haha. I just like that its what i need, but not overly intrusive. I also enjoy using software that reminds me of a considerably happier/simpler time. My favourite player from back then is Sonique. Unfortunitly it was too good, got bought by a big company who missmanaged and killed it. I still have Sonique installed, but it doesnt support modern formats... If only i could get a FLAC pluggin for it, I'd be super happy!
I'm a few years off 60 so the same. I have noticed that in a lot of retro nostalgia podcasts etc these days, that the presenters look as though they are in their 40s and have nostalgia for games/computers etc which they used in their pre-teens/early-teens. I think nostalgia is driven by what happened in those earlier years. I used a lot of those same games/computers etc in the 1980s/90s, but I have no nostalgia for them. I'm happy with just my modern PC, modern games, and modern mods for old games.
@@MrJakeTucker indeed. During the same period I was busy getting laid. 😂 I have a wife and kids, these days. Now, 80s micros such as the speccy and C64 are a great source of nostalgia.
@@jimbotron70 I'm in the target demographic, so I might be biased, but I think the 90s is when computing finally took off. I had a computer in the 80s -- a TRS-80, a C64, a ZX-81... They were OK. I used the ZX a few times, learned to program a little on the TRS-80, and spent quite a bit of time with the C64 doing school stuff, playing games, exploring... But, when we got a 386, the world opened up for me. I was immediately fascinated with it, and PCs became an obsession for me. They were finally capable enough to be interesting, and we were continuously seeing a hint of the potential of the next generation. It was an exciting time, with advancements piling on as fast as you could get used to what you already had. It was starting to seep into contemporary culture, but it was still something special for the nerds. If you found someone else who used a computer, you knew they had a baseline of savvy. Yet there WERE others using them, unlike in the 70s and 80s when it was underground at first, and then just kinda rare and obscure, and then "just for nerds." Once we got to 2000, it was still kind of exciting, because things were still progressing quickly, and getting so remarkably powerful. But, it was also the era of consolidation, economizing, and normalizing. It got consumed by plain old capitalism instead of revolving around openness and discovery. OTOH, competition and all that.
My son is Autistic and loves his music. He find's spotify etc overwhelming . He loves buying CD's and playing them on a portable CD player . So when he walks to work he has a bag with a selection of CD's, his portable CD Player as well as a handful of AA batteries. Makes me happy.
From what you've said I must be autistic too, sounds like me! I still use tape, mini-disc, old iPods, vinyl... Everything today is enormously, monstrously measurably better.... But somehow with all of the innumerable disavanntages of the past, I felt more satiated.
Hmm, Neil mentions a CD tower sat next the computer, and how the CD towers are now on the tip. Viewer glances guiltily at the CD tower STILL next to his PC. Anachronisms are us!
Did you also know that the makers of Winamp now make REAPER, a digital audio workstation, that is a direct competitor to the likes of ProTools and other DAWs in the pro audio world.
lol i still have -a late 90s sony hifi separates; cd, radio, minidisc, amp and tapedeck.. -one of those cd racks neil was on about and I use winamp on a daily basis i don't do apple music, spotify or any streaming stuff. proper old school.
Ooh. I love the backbit.amazing bit of kit. Even does a ram upgrade for the VIC20. supports the beeb and Vectrex . Evie does self build adapters at a cheaper price too. I could go on all day!😂
Today's Dave Housekeeping really channelled the style of LCD Soundsystem (in particular the track "Losing My Edge"), which is especially appropriate for an episode featuring a literal LCD soundsystem :)
I dont think the PCI slots on the AmigaPCI are primary for running quake on an Amiga - that sounds like you misunderstood the project. But even if you only play games (HD installed) having a high res RTG workbench is kinda nice to have to administrate files and so on. Can totally understand that is something totally unrelatetable and considered non-retro or as that guy on your show said in an episode last year "whats the point of retro if you add a pi to it", this way of thinking makes perfect sense if you are only used to A500 and playing games from floppy drives (and if that is all you want to do). But RTG is kind of retro too for some people, belive it or not. And having modern access to RTG (and faster CPUs either real or emulated on a Pi) either through Zorro, PCI or RPI is great, we can finally build our top end Amiga system of our dreams however we want to. This project is one of the most exciting Amiga projects right now IMHO and you got more excited about a physical Winamp box instead, what a time to be alive LOL
The PCI in the 1990s sucked compared to Amiga's Zorro III or even the 1984 Zorro I/II standard. I remember purchasing a Pentium Pro system with Windows 98 in 1999 and installing a Sound Blaster card and it was NOT showing up. The solution was to disable the Serial Port 1 so the IRQ for that card would be free and the card popped up in the devices. PCIe in the 2000s was better and finally on part with the Amiga 1000's Autoconfig Zorro system.
Sixpence None the Richer 'Kiss Me' remains THE MOST pirate song, ever. The free availabilty of WinAMP played a huge part in this. MP3 made the music industry lose their minds!
Wow, but why touchscreen? This is a missed opportunity! The UI screams haptic interface with sliders and buttons like in the 80s/90s. IMHO even the spectrum analyzer should be actual LEDs.
Would you "steal something from the tip" an interesting question, not so much for what answer a person can choose but for the fact that someone has ownership rights over the trash! I know the 'rights' are really over the location to which said refuse is 'gifted' but the idea of stealing what others don't want is anathema to me.
I don't find Linamp very compelling outside of being a novelty for nerds, people have been putting modded small machines in their cars, hooked up to a custom screen installed in the dash, for well over a decade now, and they usually just ran Windows and their media player of choice. This is just the same thing but refined and for indoors.
Not only is it great that the new Amiga project talks PCI, but it is also the first Amiga system (AFAIK) that doesn't have a 68030-bus protocol that the 040+ needs to emulate.
Wiki says "Using a computer for ray tracing to generate shaded pictures was first accomplished by Arthur Appel in 1968. Appel used ray tracing for primary visibility (determining the closest surface to the camera at each image point) by tracing a ray through each point to be shaded into the scene to identify the visible surface."
@@ThisWeekinRetro It doesn't matter. Reason I remeber world cup years is becasue I remeber vividly chucking darts at a Panini sticker of Maradonna in 1986 after he litterally fisted us out of the world cup, he did also score a wonder goal. But when you're 8 I only remeber the cheating. If Peter Shilton could actually jump it would never of happened.
Aah, good old WinAmp, it really kicked the llama´s a** 😂😂
'Whips', but that's my pedantry for the day 😊
Ass, we are all adults here.
@@iamperplexed4695 Except Google.
A(sound of a sheep 🐑)..lol😂😂
ARSE,an ass is a donkey.
I believe Nvidia wanted 3DFX and Glide gone and also wanted the SLI patent.
Love Winamp. Was introduced to it along with ICQ and Photoshop 5.5. Still use PS and Winamp. Currently building a version for my Sony Xperia 10II phone for SailfishOS. The visualizer Milk Drop is the best plugin I've ever seen.
I've called mine WimpAMP as it won't have all the features of the real Winamp.
Remember a 486 DX2-66 could _barely_ decode an MP3 with not many cycles left for doing much else. But since my P166MMX days I can't count how many times I've migrated my carefully tagged library. The iTunes days were comfy but hell to migrate from... and the tag standards weren't set in stone fifteen years ago
Where please can I buy the FTL Dungeon Master T that Dave is wearing? :-)
The death knell for 3Dfx was when they became their own fab and couldn't manage it instead of staying with third party board providers.
The death knell was an unknown comeupper called Nvidia...
Winamp was cool but pllaying mp3's on an Amiga with Amigaamp back in 1999 was proper heroic! An 030 or better was required and no terms or conditions applied. It was simply rip on PC and enjoy on Amiga lol
Re: WinAmp and "the digital disconnect" -- I see any device that is wholly independent of another device as counting as disconnected. It's as digital as CD, but CD doesn't check online for an activation server, it doesn't stream ads, and it doesn't doom-scroll. So, IMO, a WinAmp box counts.
Further, I don't think audio UIs ever got a lot better than WinAmp 2.x. In terms of no BS, just drop your files in and hit play... everything after pretty much went downhill. The only thing I could _kind of_ miss from "modern" players is the "Play Next" and "Play Later" submenus from iTunes, e.g., which allows playlist-within-a-playlist functionality. But even then, its usability is not that great, and the clean and snappy response of WinAmp (even on Pentium II era machines!!) is just so practical.
So, car head unit WinAmp? Yeah, let's go!
winamp is still around and has been updated the last year or so. i still use it :)
Me too! - Dunc
There's nothing wrong with developing for an 030/50 AGA. That was the standard baseline spec between 1995 and 1999 as far as I'm concerned. We saw what a good A500 Outrun port would have been like in the 1980s from the Batman The Movie level 2 tech.
Too bad that Commodore failed in 1994! The bulk of Amiga owners had a 500/600. The A1200 was niche and any machine with faster CPUs than the stock ones were just exotic.
They can do it, but very few people would be able to run it.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 We are nearly 30 years past 1995 now and there are many 030+spec accelerators now on the market. There is simply no reason to target a stock A500 today other than to prove a developer's superior knowledge and dedication to achieve something impossible back in the 1980s! A good Outrun was not impossible on the A500 but it has already been proved by Batman The Movie!
I lived in Ross-on-Wye for a few years as a child 😊
Winamp was ace! I might dig out an exe and see if I can get it running under WINE.
Is this PCI Amiga based on the Boxer design?
57:24 The picture shows an ATX power connector on the right-hand side.
Unrelated, Kari is pronounced like Atari, not like carry 😉
Atari is pronounced like carry!
Real Player -.-
WinAmp if I must!
It's criminal that we have companies, businesses and government telling us to help save the environment and recycle but we are not allowed to take electronics from the tip to recycle and rescue (at our own risk).
Distinctly remember 12 years ago when I was making my retro arcade bartop machine I tried to take a monitor from the tip and was told to put it back. Couldn't believe it, absolutely no logic at all and so wasteful
I have read that the UK has some strict laws on what we call dumpster diving. In the US there was a Supreme Court ruling in 1988 they declared it legal in all 50 states (California v. Greenwood) BUT this only applies to dumpsters not on private property, so if a store has a dumpster on their property, it's technically trespassing to take anything out of it. In practice, many businesses don't care and the local cops care even less. Still, some businesses are dead set against it and will even intentionally damage discarded items so they can't be scavenged. It seems the best policy is to ask first. In most cases the business owner will be OK with it so long as you don't make a huge mess, which unfortunately many divers do, giving us all a bad name.
Take it anyway.
Because neither the companies, businesses nor the governments give a s**t about the environment, actually! Except when the narrative serves as pretext for some select individuals to funnel public money into personal pockets.
The biggest issue with electronics was the risk of electrocution or fire. To be honest I feel the risk of both of these is low and no different to buying things made in cheap countries like China and India, but I know at one time it was illegal to sell vintage lamps and heaters with plugs on for this very reason and they were to be sold as decorative only.
Back in the '90s I used to go to the library and take out 10 CDs for £1 and rip the hell out of them, take them back and get 10 more the next day. The library staff must have thought I was insane haha. I backed-up all the mp3s to hundreds of CDrs which I promptly filed away neatly in folders, to barely ever be used again haha, and have no doubt all got disc rot now any way!. I still use Winamp now, with the classic skin, it's still my favourite way to quckly right-click play a folder of compressed music, and the huge number of plug-ins that still work for it make it just as useful to me now as 25 years ago!
I still use winamp, with the skin I had in the early 2000s! Haha. I just like that its what i need, but not overly intrusive. I also enjoy using software that reminds me of a considerably happier/simpler time.
My favourite player from back then is Sonique. Unfortunitly it was too good, got bought by a big company who missmanaged and killed it. I still have Sonique installed, but it doesnt support modern formats... If only i could get a FLAC pluggin for it, I'd be super happy!
I liked to use the skins that look like a high end HiFi system (especially because I couldn't afford one).
I know I'm old because people are nostalgic for 90s PCs, but I was in my 30s, at the time.
I'm a few years off 60 so the same. I have noticed that in a lot of retro nostalgia podcasts etc these days, that the presenters look as though they are in their 40s and have nostalgia for games/computers etc which they used in their pre-teens/early-teens. I think nostalgia is driven by what happened in those earlier years. I used a lot of those same games/computers etc in the 1980s/90s, but I have no nostalgia for them. I'm happy with just my modern PC, modern games, and modern mods for old games.
@@MrJakeTucker indeed. During the same period I was busy getting laid. 😂 I have a wife and kids, these days. Now, 80s micros such as the speccy and C64 are a great source of nostalgia.
I was working as a Computer Technician in the 90's, fixing those PC's.
Now I feel old!
Honestly hardware from that era was expensive rubbish aged badly, no charm at all in it.
@@jimbotron70 I'm in the target demographic, so I might be biased, but I think the 90s is when computing finally took off. I had a computer in the 80s -- a TRS-80, a C64, a ZX-81... They were OK. I used the ZX a few times, learned to program a little on the TRS-80, and spent quite a bit of time with the C64 doing school stuff, playing games, exploring...
But, when we got a 386, the world opened up for me. I was immediately fascinated with it, and PCs became an obsession for me. They were finally capable enough to be interesting, and we were continuously seeing a hint of the potential of the next generation.
It was an exciting time, with advancements piling on as fast as you could get used to what you already had. It was starting to seep into contemporary culture, but it was still something special for the nerds. If you found someone else who used a computer, you knew they had a baseline of savvy. Yet there WERE others using them, unlike in the 70s and 80s when it was underground at first, and then just kinda rare and obscure, and then "just for nerds."
Once we got to 2000, it was still kind of exciting, because things were still progressing quickly, and getting so remarkably powerful. But, it was also the era of consolidation, economizing, and normalizing. It got consumed by plain old capitalism instead of revolving around openness and discovery. OTOH, competition and all that.
My son is Autistic and loves his music. He find's spotify etc overwhelming . He loves buying CD's and playing them on a portable CD player . So when he walks to work he has a bag with a selection of CD's, his portable CD Player as well as a handful of AA batteries. Makes me happy.
I am autistic too and that makes sense. I still play tapes as well as CDs!
From what you've said I must be autistic too, sounds like me! I still use tape, mini-disc, old iPods, vinyl... Everything today is enormously, monstrously measurably better.... But somehow with all of the innumerable disavanntages of the past, I felt more satiated.
My credit card would melt with the speed I pulled it out in order to buy that winamp device.
Hmm, Neil mentions a CD tower sat next the computer, and how the CD towers are now on the tip. Viewer glances guiltily at the CD tower STILL next to his PC. Anachronisms are us!
I know that feeling. *Leans over to see 4 milk crates and 8 Ikea boxes of cds* 💿
It was actually a big green hea-
Did you also know that the makers of Winamp now make REAPER, a digital audio workstation, that is a direct competitor to the likes of ProTools and other DAWs in the pro audio world.
Glad I was able to shout out CMR and RBR in the community question of the week. 😄
Nice to hear the voodoo 2 cards are expensive now.
I still have my 2 diamond 12mb voodoo 2 cards all boxed up in my spare room lol
lol i still have
-a late 90s sony hifi separates; cd, radio, minidisc, amp and tapedeck..
-one of those cd racks neil was on about
and I use winamp on a daily basis
i don't do apple music, spotify or any streaming stuff. proper old school.
Do you get the podcast on a cd in the post?
@@TheFoggyjones i pay a little extra and get it on minidisc
@@bazza5699 Nice. I go for the vinyl option myself. But deep down, I hate vinyl.
^ This is the way to live.
"'80 was a world cup year". Oh dear. I can forgive Neil but surely Dave can just about remember Scotland going 1-0 up against Brazil in.... 1982.
80, 90 it's all the same in football
In Italy we remember well 1982 😁
@@jimbotron70 Rossi!!!
Ooh. I love the backbit.amazing bit of kit. Even does a ram upgrade for the VIC20. supports the beeb and Vectrex . Evie does self build adapters at a cheaper price too. I could go on all day!😂
Today's Dave Housekeeping really channelled the style of LCD Soundsystem (in particular the track "Losing My Edge"), which is especially appropriate for an episode featuring a literal LCD soundsystem :)
I dont think the PCI slots on the AmigaPCI are primary for running quake on an Amiga - that sounds like you misunderstood the project. But even if you only play games (HD installed) having a high res RTG workbench is kinda nice to have to administrate files and so on. Can totally understand that is something totally unrelatetable and considered non-retro or as that guy on your show said in an episode last year "whats the point of retro if you add a pi to it", this way of thinking makes perfect sense if you are only used to A500 and playing games from floppy drives (and if that is all you want to do). But RTG is kind of retro too for some people, belive it or not. And having modern access to RTG (and faster CPUs either real or emulated on a Pi) either through Zorro, PCI or RPI is great, we can finally build our top end Amiga system of our dreams however we want to. This project is one of the most exciting Amiga projects right now IMHO and you got more excited about a physical Winamp box instead, what a time to be alive LOL
Picasso 96 is retro now, lol
Oh man, I remember having to find and specify the track sectors in order to rip for MP3s in its super early days.
The PCI in the 1990s sucked compared to Amiga's Zorro III or even the 1984 Zorro I/II standard.
I remember purchasing a Pentium Pro system with Windows 98 in 1999 and installing a Sound Blaster card and it
was NOT showing up. The solution was to disable the Serial Port 1 so the IRQ for that card would be free and the card popped up in the devices.
PCIe in the 2000s was better and finally on part with the Amiga 1000's Autoconfig Zorro system.
Ever since I heard it way back when I've wondered why anyone would want to *Kick the LLAMAS Ass*
Sixpence None the Richer 'Kiss Me' remains THE MOST pirate song, ever. The free availabilty of WinAMP played a huge part in this. MP3 made the music industry lose their minds!
Wow, but why touchscreen? This is a missed opportunity! The UI screams haptic interface with sliders and buttons like in the 80s/90s. IMHO even the spectrum analyzer should be actual LEDs.
Would you "steal something from the tip" an interesting question, not so much for what answer a person can choose but for the fact that someone has ownership rights over the trash! I know the 'rights' are really over the location to which said refuse is 'gifted' but the idea of stealing what others don't want is anathema to me.
Winamp, no hippo player LOL
Must admit I enjoyed the simplicity of Winamp. It had a nice interface.
29:15 One thing that Nvidia got from 3DFX was SLI technology.
I remember the days of real player being all over the internet. I didn't notice it gradually fizzle out and it was gone before I realized.
I still use Winamp on my Windows PC. I wouldn't mind one of those real life players.
Anyone who says RealPlayer is better than Winamp needs a drug test.
Steam needs to be bullied into doing like GOG has opted to do re: posthumous transfer of game libraries
Without the visualizations, esp the fractal stuff, it’s just another pi wanna be.
Wasn't the Mediator PCI a thing since late '90s-early '00s?
the best part of winamp was the audio video virtualization no one else has done this and i dont think anyone else will
I've been using Winamp since about 1992, if it ain't broke....................
I don't find Linamp very compelling outside of being a novelty for nerds, people have been putting modded small machines in their cars, hooked up to a custom screen installed in the dash, for well over a decade now, and they usually just ran Windows and their media player of choice. This is just the same thing but refined and for indoors.
Looks good though!
winamp outputs a weak sound compared to windows media player
Iirc Nvidia wanted SLI from 3DFX
Haha... that is a raspberry pie with a screen.
Jetaudio, Quicktime Player.
im still using winamp a really old version
i still use winamp and also have it on my phone
1982 was the world cup
14:51 they show the "real" winamp
Dungeon Master!!! 🖤
Not only is it great that the new Amiga project talks PCI, but it is also the first Amiga system (AFAIK) that doesn't have a 68030-bus protocol that the 040+ needs to emulate.
Haha LOVED the reference to the Vauxhall Nova SR! 😂 That's what I had in mine... Minus the donuts! Perfect retro!
20:27 I had virtual pets on my desktop, from the games Dogz and Catz. I've got them in real life now. Win!
You both sound very chipper @ 150% speed. 👍
I heard they wanted the SLI technology from 3DFX 🤔
My fondest memories are of Musicmatch Jukebox, before one of the founding devs died (Bill Richards) and Yahoo bought out the company.
I remember Musicmatch. 👍
my backbit tester is on the way too!
If you could find a PCI card that works and has DVI out. That's basically HDMI.
Only for RTG though. Normal graphics wouldn't come out of it
Laura Croft life size from Tomb Raider. She would be a motivator to get up everyday!
You'd loose an eye! On those pointy mammary glands.
I’m American. Tip is trash cans or something?
The tip is the dump. Where you take things you can't throw away in your weekly rubbish collection.
@@duncanstyles133 Usually they are 'recycling points' now. So you arn't supposed to take stuff.
Yeah, the Household Recycling Centre
Think 3DFX created ray tracing
Didn't Ray Tracing play left back for Chelsea?
Wiki says "Using a computer for ray tracing to generate shaded pictures was first accomplished by Arthur Appel in 1968. Appel used ray tracing for primary visibility (determining the closest surface to the camera at each image point) by tracing a ray through each point to be shaded into the scene to identify the visible surface."
@@duncanstyles133 Didn't they just use plotters back then ?
@@belstar1128 I have no idea.
No at all.
We could render ray tracing pictures and videos with Amigas at home in the '80s, and with mainframes much earlier.
80 wasn't a world cup year. 78 was and 82 was.
We're genuinely useless. It was the Olympics in 1980! Thanks for spotting
@@ThisWeekinRetro It doesn't matter. Reason I remeber world cup years is becasue I remeber vividly chucking darts at a Panini sticker of Maradonna in 1986 after he litterally fisted us out of the world cup, he did also score a wonder goal. But when you're 8 I only remeber the cheating. If Peter Shilton could actually jump it would never of happened.
My point of reference is "italia 90", the only reason I knew who the famous fat bloke was singing in the park across the road a few years later.
proTAYjAY