WHAT HAPPENED TO 'GRAINY' CONDITIONING?
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A star-studded panel featuring Seth Feroce, John "Mountain Dog" Meadows, PJ Braun, Fakhri Mubarak, and Dave Palumbo highlight this mega episode of Iron Debate, the show where the hottest topics in all of bodybuilding are debated.
The panel discusses a variety of reasons as far as why today's bodybuilders can't consistently come in at their best on stage. What's behind this? Is it the athletes? Are the coaches to blame?
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John Meadows is such a wealth of knowledge glad to see him getting some love.
Have a look at his Mark Bell interview. I can't get enough of John hes the Oracle of bodybuilding imo. He seems like such a nice guy too
thank you both :)
Seems to be a good dad too...always lets his son participate in his youtube vids
He is yes. In response to his ‘no one is willing to go there’ - to drop bf% to
@@thomasclinton6018 guys were more hardcore in the 90's and 00's when prize and contract money was lesser.
John Meadows needs to be a staple on the show. So well spoken, knowledgeable and just a damn good guy.
More John Meadows. More often.
John and PJ hit it on the head with their opinion on actually suffering and the misconception that new "coaches" sell. I hear it and see it all the time all over social media. "You don't have to do 2hrs of cardio a day on my plan. You don't have to eat 12-1600 calories a day on my plan. You don't have to eat tilapia and asparagus 4-6x a day on my plan". People will gravitate more towards anything that sounds like a short cut. In the end if you want the physique of your dreams, whatever that may be you have to go through hell.
EXACTLY!!!
1) Get out of bed, have a big jug of water, get some caffeine and do the cardio
2) EAT, greens/veggies, lean protein, no carbs
3) Rest/work/whatever
4) EAT, greens/veggies, lean protein, no carbs
5) Train
6) EAT, greens/veggies, lean protein, little bit of carbs
7) Rest, take a nap, enjoy some good moments
8) EAT, greens/veggies, lean protein, little bit of fat, no carb
9) Do cardio, stretch...
10) EAT, lean protein, no carbs, no direct fat source
11) Enjoy some moments or go to bed.
The perfect day of suffering :-)
@@Beats-By-AnthonyHmm. There's still a lot of enjoyment in there, you sure you give it your all?
/jk
💯 right here.
Well said
Pj thanks for not whipping it out and playing with yourself during the podcast...👍
It was a struggle or him, Dave told he would get some candy, if he doesn't !
LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flex Lewis is a 7 time 212 Mr. Olympia and people want to give him shit for being invited to compete in the open class?! He's going to help improve the level of competition on that stage. You gotta have great talents competing against eachother or the field will be weak. You need the best of the best up there. 90's style. Even 80's style for that matter. Bob Paris was placing like 8th place in the 80's a d hes one of the all time greatest aesthetic physiques in history.
Totally agree. He earned his spot on that stage if you ask me.
Totally agree. Had Flex Wheeler out there in classic and he never won any Olympia. He was a great physique during his time just like Levrone. I like it that they get people in the mix. Flex Lewis is in his prime now.
Flex Lewis would eff up the top 5 at last years O...
I thought Hadi was great and should have won.
@O M flex has literally zero bubbly guymy friend are you thinking about the same person? He literally hasn't missed a beat for a long time
These are literally the best type of videos you put out. Hearing from multiple opinions on the sport is always great in your content. I’m 23 and probably wouldn’t be following Bodybuilding if it wasn’t for you channel. Amazing work Dave.
Enough said
You must suffer to be your best.
Nothing great comes without sacrifice
I guess the debate will continue.
Here for the MountainDog!
I'm so glad Dave points to the back of his mind when he says "back of his mind" otherwise how would I know what he's talking about
Austin Jones lmao
John talking about overtraining is perfect. Everyone is so afraid of overtraining. Screw that. Lift heavy, often, and to failure!
lukeydukey20 and wear your heart out
this is an interesting topic. not a bad panel either. Great job, Dave!
Just came back from the gym, trained legs first time in a while about to head to my doctor in Fort Lauderdale, but first, I thought I would show you this :P
Truly sickening with piss
Can someone explain the Fort Lauderdale joke haha
Chad Spencer :D just a random thing PJ said in his infamous clip
This was awesome to hear and see. All experts in the field. John Meadows is the King 👑!!!
Indeed John Meadows is such an awesome gentleman. He brings a lot of the 80-90's dedication mindset with the "modern" approach to training.
Props to Seth for having the HD camera.
LOL... high res Seth in your face... the beard popping out the screen ;)
This discussion will send shockwaves into the sport for sure! It's going to hurt a lot of feelings... I love it!
John meadows is one of the most respected man in the industry. He may of never had the body to be a top tier bodybuilder but he has risen to the top in the coaching industry, probs to all the panel top guys.
John Meadows 7:08. And 25:28
The rest is smack talk.
gaurd3 thanks this why I came for buddy
gaurd3 thanks king
I love smack
Excellent Iron Debate! One of the best ones ever! Great panel! Definitely need to get this panel back together again!
Video of the month this panel killed it💯👌🏾👍🏾
This was an amazing panel, great old school info. Don't out-think the room people, the basics will always win out
Very true about having to make weight and having to suck down & suffer. I worked with Dave in 2010 getting ready for The Eastern USAs and weighed in at 174.5 pounds at 5’ 5” & had shredded glutes, and placed 2 nd, then Dave wanted me to suck down, suffer, to make welterweights, 165.25, at The Nationals the next week, which was 5 days until Thursday night weigh ins, i ate only fish for the next 5 days, got stuck at 169 Thursday morning, and then had to go in & out of the sauna for 1 hour in order to make weight,i was hearing my heart beat through my temples, i check the scale next to the sauna it said 165,i ran to my room, changed into my trunks and ran to weigh in to make weight......and it wasn’t only just 1 week of suffering, i was on Dave’s Program for 16 weeks, was working a full 40 hr week in construction, and commuting 4 hours a day from Long Island to NYC.... you have to be consistent, dedicated and definitely willing to suffer & separate yourself from the distractions of everyday life
Love the intro -WE WANT MILOS!!!!
What a great panel you had!! I was so excited when i saw the lineup of guys in the picture i didnt even need to read the caption. Thank you agian dave for bringing us all this knowledge!!
Excellent show. When I saw how many guests were on the show from the thumbnail before I even clicked on the video, I predicted that it was going to be a total clusterfck with everyone talking over each other. But no, it was a perfect show. Sid did a great job of asking great questions, keeping everyone on track and keeping things in order. This could have gotten extremely hectic. But everyone took turns speaking and stayed on topic. Two thumbs up. Good job at keeping things on track, Sid.
Awesome to hear some great talent give their views. Once again Dave and the RX muscle team put on a great episode
loved this show, please do more with Fahcre, Meadows, Feroce, this was an amazing panel to listen to and hear stories from.
Current bodybuilders need a dose of David Goggins.
T K
They need cocain. 80’s and 90s bodybuilders were hammering that shit. THATS what gives you that grainy look
@@heavymetalfitness2091 no it doesn't. It was a certain type of HGH and IGF-1 they used to use that's no longer available no more
They would all die🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How bout Steve Goggins
I believe he squatted 1000lbs in WPO
What a panel, instant thumbs up. Just add Lee Priest to that now and we've the dream team. Great to see John on the show, best bodybuilding content creator on TH-cam.
This was one of the best Iron Debates I have ever seen!! I would have loved to of had John Ramono on here. Great show Dave palumbo. #RXMUSCLE
Peejay "vianna sausage" braun, are you gonna head to the doctor in fort Lauderdale? 😂😂😂😂😂
This bloke only wanted to help you but because of the things you did he couldn't help you and you give him shit come on
Rob K janoy and brother peejay are mushroom cap brothers in arms
@@robk9395 lol you honestly think that's Jason's account?
@@ignignokt-6050 they entitled
@@edgarvarese2691 looks like jason to me haha
As an older bb ‘hobbiest’ I really enjoy the Channel(s) Dave and the diverse perspectives offered up; if I’m ever looking for motivation to get to the gym, watching just about any segment inspires me to get going, seeing the many people who also share this interest. That being said, I feel that part of the issue of today’s competitiveness and lack of more traditional forms and physiques may be due in part to social media and how candidly the discussions and rampant Steroid/ PED use is. Way back in the day, it was a dark secret , then in the 90’s some competitors made little secret of steroid use on limited public media. Now it’s almost full grown bragging rights as to who takes what, who takes more and as a result who is bigger and not necessarily who has a more developed classical body. The Competitions Standards have had to adjust. I recall Arnold stating in one of his earlier books that he would never go into a competition with 21 inch arms, because he wouldn’t be excepted because his arms were too big. Well somebody with “small” 21 inch arms would not even be in any top tier competition such as the Mr. Olympia, so as the bragging rights to how many steroids and HGH and insulin they use, our standards of judging have had to change.
All of you guys are 100% spot on. Thank you all for your knowledge, fantastic show! 💪🦁
Great and entertaining discussion with a very knowledgeable and experienced panel! All the guys made very valid points. Seth always crack me up but as far as overall knowledge and with the ability to intelligently (and without the now commonplace "gutter" language - come on guys!), John Meadows stands above. I never tire of hearing his views and instruction.
Just trained legs, heading to Fort lauterDALE, thought id show you this 3=>
lmao
It’s time for Seth to get on stage again!
This video is exactly what I needed to watch now that I’m 4 weeks out!!
I sooo needed to here this! Im old school. So What Dave said about depending on drugs and and the obsession with staying full. In comparison to getting flat and stringy during dieting..I cant afford all the drugs nor do i want to depend on them. So its a relief to here him say that its normal too get flat and stringy in order to get shredded.. That is one of the biggest mind battle that one has too go through is the fear thst your loseing size. But in the end the suffering pays off..
What's the payoff? What's the average ROI in this sport?
I believe P.J 100% with what he said about the Kuwait site enhancement oil.
That was some nice juicy inside info!
ritch l time stamp broooooo
@@Chinaonetakeout99 We're freaks we watch 1 hour videos for 5 seconds of information we don't care
Of course and thank you for telling the truth of PJ. I know all that muscle is shit based as well.
Awesome panel , everyone of them. All these people (even outside of this episode) talking how “there’s nobody to chase” or “hes the best of what he competes against”.....well then BE the guy to chase. Do the work. Get shredded. Get dense. Again love this panel, get them together more!
Amazing panel. Amazing information. Everyone knew exactly what they were talking about and have put in the work to back up their words!
I am here for John Meadows ... also it will be better if Greg doucette was here too
He'll do a video about this video.
"I wanted to join the panel but I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE TIME! I HAVE A-ZEEERROOOOO TIME!"
@@brettmaurer1840 yeah I bet he will do that for sure 😂
@@brettmaurer1840 i bet this too, kinda the same answer he gave to Feroce a couple of days ago
Pretty big for a bodie builder
garett you don’t know science, I know science.
LOL!!!!!!
Sushi, brown rice and lil cucumber. Simple
Is DOMS always required for growth? I just got back from training legs and thought I’d
LORD JANOY GENOY OF THE SITHS WILL ORDER 66 YOUR CANDY ASS no
First time in a while?
my hamstrings always seem to have the worst DOMS after every leg day for a few days, but to answer your question no, DOMS is not the only indicator of growth. for example my lats and traps never seem to get DOMS and they've grown a ton over the last couple years, same thing with my biceps. legs, chest, shoulders, and occasionally calves for me tend to get very sore, but other body parts never get sore and still have grown.
Totally right. Dave coached me for my last two shows that I won, and I SUFFERED! I loved it and hated it lol but it was totally necessary. Getting in real shape takes suffering to the point you feel like death.
Wow what a great topic. Another discussion regarding why the 90s was better.
Ed they were all significantly smaller back then
Amazing panel listen - I could have listened for another 2 hours from these guys!
John meadows is so knowledgeable glad he’s on the panel
Great discussion!!!
One of the best Dave has put together.
Excellent group!!!!
It’s hard to disagree with them. They were on point.
Not a complete team, jason genova is THE specialist on conditioning
Agreeed IRON BROTHER
BEST post. BEST. People need to hear this truth ❤
Did pj just finish training legs
Brother peejay
And thank-you Sid you did a great job on today's show
Dave's panels are usually just a bunch of old men talking about back in our day and these new guys aren't shit, but this was a well rounded panel with different points of view I enjoyed watching it.
RX Muscle Brings it on again, Love the panel and Awesome to see seth force again, Great job Rx for bringing him him.
Seth Feroce, John Meadows, P.j. Braun...my favorite panel so far
One of the best panels I’ve seen. Love it
Awesome panel and content good work
Great discussion guy's👍👍👍 I can relate to the suffering part of the diet going a few or as much as 6 weeks to dial in and the craziness, but it was all worth it in the end
Anyone else read this as "WHAT HAPPENED TO 'GRANNY' CONDITIONING?"
trevor dollinger thats specifically why I clicked 😂😂
I'm a simple man, I see John Meadows I click the video :)
Great panel, great show, love RX muscle & Dave Palumbo!!!👍👍👍
John and Seth my life is complete
Dave now that's an awesome panel every single one of these guys had valid points, this is probably the best iron debate yet or at least the top five, keep the videos coming💪💪💪💪💪💪
Dave Palumbo please full disclosure with fahkari mumbark. The fans want to see his update. Your the best interviewer. And have the knowledge to help spread the word to save others. Fahkari promised to help spread the word and he had been silent? What happen? He wanted to help?
Dave I hope you get better n your health be all right we need you , n your knowledge I love your channel🇵🇷
And it’s because of videos like this that makes RX Muscle the best bodybuilding related content channel .
I am not going to waste my hard earned money for a half ass product. How does the current Mr. O win with NO quad separation. Outside of a few current open guys like Luke, Patrick, Steve Kuclo and Sergio, there is nobody I want to pay to see. Hope it gets better. Phenomenal show guys. Loved all the guests
The title of this show should be Dave Palumbo is da man.
The most interesting man alive.
I know the bodybuilding fans want to know about fahkari mumbark. He is a well known guru. Did he have a lot to do to his situation or were the steroids safe? Is too much safe? Or not? So many ? And your the best to diagnose this situation with fahkari.
Group of motivational speakers.
Great show. Great guys.
amazing content.
John Meadows is the best. We need more.
John Meadows is a class act.. extremely humble with his credentials
This was an awesome conversation!
Great video and amazing content from all guests!
John Meadows is great and I’m super happy to hear he’s healthy and alive 👍👍👍👍
Absolutely agree with John Meadows. About the training teori.
100% he definitely sees things others dont.
This is THE BEST debate EVER
Great show, 110% Credible voices as a panel! 'The oils' later discussed weren't a product I expecting to hear spoken of, but yeh sure if ya wanna loose difficult fat ya first got loose the oil right, whatta game? GH & insulin I'd have attributed to the modern 'marshmallow' look (ref ghost busters) lol
Really enjoyed hearing the wealth of knowledge in this panel.
I think Dave nailed it around the 19:50 mark. Relying on the drugs too much. You never know how your body is going to react to drugs sometimes even the ones you’ve taken a long time. Different manufacturers (or somebody’s kitchen if your talking underground stuff) and mixing them up your body has to react and if the organs are slowly getting more and more stressed handling this over time your body will process it differently.
I'm a simple dude.
I see John Meadows and I watch & listen, sometimes take notes.
I really want Dave Palumbo to give us his opinion on fahkari health and protocols. He has blood work paperwork that u can help decipher what was the main cause to his health problems.
Kai was in great shape as well
You need to get guys on the panel who were champions and at the pinnacle of the sport based on your topic. Past Arnold Classic Champions, Jay Cutler, Mike Francois etc on what's needed or why the look is different.
Love Meadows he needs to come on more often!!! All great talent...❤️💪🏻
BY ALL MEANS RONNIE WAS A MAN ON HIS OWN PEDESTAL, MUCH RESPECT I HAVE FOR MEN LIKE HIM, NO WORDS TO DESCRIBED A MAN LIKE HIM!!!
Great show. Thanks guys 👍
My the force be with you young Meadows
Dave and John Meadows!? awesome! 2 of the great minds together
Great panel, great show!
Fuck yes. Need a part 2. Got some awesome people on the show
John meadows is a brain. So much knowledge when it comes to the body
Automatic like for mountaindog 👍👍
Brother pj with nothing but facts
"There is no reason why Big Ramy can not get hard"
DrewD He hasn’t met the right man. Or woman. Or whatever. Maybe he needs a hug?..
He should try Viagra
I'm not sure about that. His prolactin levels must be awfully high.
He just hasn't met the right Camel.
Maybe pj could help him, small or not his cap wasn’t flaccid
Great video. Great points made! Not sure why any morons would give this video thumbs down.
The best Iron Debate ever
“There’s no reason Ramy can’t get hard.” You’re right Dave , with as much rest as he’s probably on. Unless they cut it out and he’s running too much letro
Viagra to get hard.
seth was laughing when dave said that lol
@@zeff2103 yeaaa hahah i caught that
@@boostedbruhhh hilarious
Right.