Ep. 65 - Bob Bradshaw - Pro-Rig Pioneer!

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  • @volodyanikolaev
    @volodyanikolaev 4 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    01:07 - Bob moved to Pennsylvania.
    03:26 - Chad Taylor hooked Bob up great.
    06:46 - Bob and Dave and Andy Brauer.
    09:15 - Love of music and gaining interest.
    13:10 - Atlanta tech school, Hughes Aircraft. LA.
    16:05 - Recycler. Working on amps.
    19:15 - Tim Carmon and Paul Rivera's pedalboards.
    21:55 - Craid Anderton's articles.
    26:00 - Buzzy Feiten.
    31:06 - Right place, right time.
    33:07 - Word of mouth. How racks started.
    36:40 - Presets idea.
    39:16 - Didn't patented anything.
    41:21 - Quad/Eight Electronics job. LF13333 IC discovering.
    47:18 - Meeting Michael Landau.
    51:10 - Touring life. Joni Mitchell.
    54:55 - Coming up with rig ideas. MEOW.
    56:36 - Watching gear works in real tours. Word of mouth.
    59:50 - Players wanted studio gear in their rigs.
    1:04:28 - Dealing with pro guys. Steve Lukather.
    1:08:53 - Not terribly technical.
    1:12:23 - Larry Klein's rig story.
    1:14:56 - Getting back to Lukather. The rig story.
    1:21:18 - Another world tour. Now that's what work looks like.
    1:24:19 - Cartridges. Dave's rig building story.
    1:27:55 - Toto shows. Soldano preamp story.
    1:40:00 - John Suhr.
    1:42:10 - Making CAE 3+ preamp.
    1:44:54 - Why not build power amps?
    1:48:17 - Dave's memories of that era.
    1:51:20 - Working with John Suhr.
    1:53:30 - Solutions for simplicity. Rocktron
    1:57:20 - Evolution of switching loops. Opto-circuits.
    2:00:09 - Switchin to relays.
    2:03:36 - Getting into 80s rock scene.
    2:07:01 - Resistive/reactive loads. Wet-dry-wet.
    2:13:37 - EVH stories (loads / speakers).
    2:19:16 - "Running 2 amps with FX-loops with 1 stereo effect" question.
    2:21:50 - Favorite reverb, chorus and delays.
    2:28:56 - Edge's 2290/Fractal.
    2:32:25 - Marshall Lead 12 (micro marshall brain).
    2:34:25 - Favorite pre/power amps.
    2:38:10 - LA shutted down. No amps for now.
    2:39:20 - Custom Audio Electronics head.
    2:41:25 - Some times P90 just a P90.
    2:42:44 - Biggest rack-went-down catastrophe for Bob.
    2:46:54 - Biggest rack-went-down catastrophe for Dave.
    2:49:13 - Mods are open for now.
    2:49:54 - Bob's take on Kemper and modeling.
    2:54:09 - Bob Bradshaw contacts. Custom Audio Electronics. www.customaudioelectronics.com/
    That was fucking awesome talk. Thanks guys!

  • @fbettr2627
    @fbettr2627 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bob BRADSHAW is a legend and an excellent story teller. Mr. BRADSHAW is a visionary whose ideas came alive through CUSTOM AUDIO ELECTRONICS.

  • @adamfstewart81
    @adamfstewart81 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Can we do this every night while we're all sheltering in place? Tone talk is my happy place, and this is maybe the best episode yet!

    • @joerobinson2538
      @joerobinson2538 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Adam Stewart I agree totally! I could self quarantine indefinitely with steady Tone Talks!

    • @adamp2
      @adamp2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Soldano was a great one :)

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      It would be great to do more of them considering the situation but have to space them out. We will be back April 4

    • @CarsInDimension
      @CarsInDimension 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tone-talk Marc, April 4 or today?

  • @joemcgraw5529
    @joemcgraw5529 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Man I wish I would have found your channel 3 years ago ,and I dont understand why I didnt because I was watching alot of guitar and amps Repair ,Bobs got me pulling out my old Guitar Players Magazines now

  • @MitchGift
    @MitchGift 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was there at Custom Audio when Bob and John were working together. It was a magic time. Had one of his switching systems made for me as well as their new 3 channel pre-amp. Stuff was expensive but never regretted the purchase ever. They were amazing.

  • @joeyvanostrand3655
    @joeyvanostrand3655 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I have listened to these episodes over and over again whilst sitting on the mower, power washing the gutters, rocking my daughter to sleep, in the shower..... The list goes on.
    I'm very grateful for most of the interviews you and Dave have done. Even re-listening to an episode, I pick up on or learn something new. Thanks guys!

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joey VanOstrand thank you for the message! We really appreciate it!!

    • @AdamWellsMusic
      @AdamWellsMusic 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s amazing how much we can learn while still being functioning adults. I do the same thing. ✌🏻

  • @ChromaticHarp
    @ChromaticHarp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was lucky to see Luke varios times at the Baked Potato, Blowing the roof off the place with his Bradshaw Rack!

  • @angusorvid8840
    @angusorvid8840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The brilliance of Bradshaw is he was able to design player specific rigs that gave top players from EVH, to Vai, to Luke exactly what they needed. He took into account how they played, when they switched amps, the chain order of effects, noise gate positioning, etc. It revolutionized the rig, and the reverberations are still felt to this day. There were a lot of techs telling their guitar bosses, "Oh yeah, I can make you a Bradshaw rig," but they always missed the mark. A Bradshaw rig was built to last, to work right, to deliver. The first element of innovation is assessing reality. You ask the question, "What do players need these days? What are they trying to do with their sound? What are the rough patches they keep hitting?" Bradshaw got the rig, the whole switching system, down to a science. The footswitch ability of it all is still copied to this day in any number of systems, and very obvious when you look at the Line 6 Helix, Axe Fx, the Boss GT series, etc. But with a Bradshaw rig, the switching system was going into real Boogies, Soldanos, etc, and Midi controls. In fact, I would say that Bradshaw's rigs are the inspiration for the growth of Midi controls in amps, and I think Mesa Boogie was the first company to include Midi controls in the Mark III.

  • @mrpugi3894
    @mrpugi3894 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing. We used to sneak into Toto sound checks back in the early 90s each time we saw them in the UK? Bob was always cool with us and we used to joke about his huge fridge racks did they have a sectret cold fridge inside there for cool beers ! Legend

  • @Bullittbl
    @Bullittbl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic show! I've been watching some old shows and this is a top 10. Bob told his life story in real time. It's great you gave a chance to tell it. Love the long ones

  • @robertolucca1834
    @robertolucca1834 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Luke's sound through his CAE rig (from the Los Lobotomies era) was his best sounding tone to me. It sounded phenomenal.. I wish he still used it.

    • @derekwilliams5149
      @derekwilliams5149 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I went to Bob's place in magnolia and Hollywood I think.. I bought the 4x4. in the RS 10.. and Bob you are the nicest you even added some custom things to it... I still own it.. thank you

  • @terryhimes5052
    @terryhimes5052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow Bob B. Same age as me! I can't imagine making a move and change in life like that at this age! Congrats...

  • @bksweet6331
    @bksweet6331 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Tone Talk Session, thank you ALL sun 🕶 🥂

  • @RMosack
    @RMosack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I can't like this video enough. So much fun.

  • @chrisquinn9104
    @chrisquinn9104 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love all of the swearing. Bob swears with true style.

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Swearing old-school style. The way we all used to do it.

  • @zombiemosher1139
    @zombiemosher1139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bob rules, the guy is a legend & without his work our gear would be very different.

  • @fgurdian
    @fgurdian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome show. Thanks Mark and Dave! I will love to see a show with Dave, Bob and Pete Cornish. The Holy Trinity of rig designers!

  • @GMHG777
    @GMHG777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Holy crap had no clue Bob lived in my town !!! Clair and Tait pretty much own the town but you wouldn’t know it until you go by the facilities.

  • @matthias7455
    @matthias7455 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That was great. Bob has an incredible memory. Would love to hear more about some of the 80s guys rigs he built. I hope you can do a part 2 with him.

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Matthias thank you and we will have a part 2!

    • @matthias7455
      @matthias7455 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tone-talk awesome! Looking forward to it. I really enjoy your discussions.

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Cool to get to know what all Bradshaw did. Always heard the name here and there but never really caught a good grasp on what he really did. Like literally everything. This episode had some gold nuggets for people who are trying to grab good old rack gear.

  • @jerrynepomuceno5544
    @jerrynepomuceno5544 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great interview. Bradshaw and Friedman had some GREAT STORIES to tell.

  • @terryhimes5052
    @terryhimes5052 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can relate with bob. Being the same age. I still have 8 track tapes. Players and 8 Track recorders. Also have the 1970's Big home Stereo equipment. Pioneer, Marantz etc. Reel to reel. All the good old stuff. Those were good times for us old folk! OF COURSE THEY WERE! WE were still young... LOL!

  • @Mr_A_Mia
    @Mr_A_Mia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man. What an episode! Thanks ya’ll!

  • @jppagetoo
    @jppagetoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Damn... you've done some great episodes in the past. This one is amazing! The best interview you have done.

  • @PooNinja
    @PooNinja 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Crap I missed this! Bob Bradshaw has been a hero of mine since the first time I saw one of his switching units 🤘🏽

  • @BabyThomas
    @BabyThomas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It looks like Mr. Bradshaw invented a LOT of useful and cool stuff, still used to this day. Very good show, definitely in my personal Top5! Thanks to Marc and Dave!

  • @davidthomas3725
    @davidthomas3725 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rock Lititz is real deal. All the BIG acts rehearse there before touring. Nice quiet town...Love my CAE wah!

  • @southofthebordersmoker2544
    @southofthebordersmoker2544 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome interview! This was one that I was waiting for. Bob is really cool.

  • @justinespinosa7878
    @justinespinosa7878 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sad I missed this live! Best mullet in the biz!

  • @Kasper911band
    @Kasper911band 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the best shows so far! Thx!👍🏽

  • @vansheen9096
    @vansheen9096 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    “Fucking struggling with your shit”? You need a Bradshaw rig.
    Amazing interview guys. This is one of the TH-cam channels that has helped me get through the year. Keep up the great work! Thank you.

  • @robertscharlow
    @robertscharlow ปีที่แล้ว

    Fast forward to autumn, 2023 -
    Why don't you make a preamp, Dave?
    Dave - "It'd need an IR loader..."
    🤣Enter Freidman IR-X

  • @patrickgregory4
    @patrickgregory4 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    GREAT EP VERY INTERESTING GUY!

  • @sbrave
    @sbrave 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ha!, my cat has that same catnip fish (now just shredded) Out of nowhere enters the room making that same noise with the toy in her mouth. Bob is the coolest. Years ago when I lived in LA, I went to his shop and he made me a 7 pin to 5 pin MIDI cable so I could use the MIDI phantom power of my Intellifex to power my ADA MIDI controller. I believe the 2 outer pins of the 7 pin supply the power?

  • @MusicTherapyLaz
    @MusicTherapyLaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sorry I missed the live stream...will have to catch up on this tomorrow...looking forward to it! 😎🎸🐦🤘

  • @thesphericalguy9018
    @thesphericalguy9018 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Epic episode, thanks so much for this!

  • @loscrimefighter1899
    @loscrimefighter1899 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    "True bypass, and all this other horsesh*t" straight from the man himself!

  • @matthew80127
    @matthew80127 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Enjoyed this a lot! I first heard of Bob a while back when I e-mailed Kane Roberts about his old gear. Kane said his old Alice Cooper tour rigs were made by Bob Bradshaw.

  • @DANWRIGHTITIS
    @DANWRIGHTITIS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i met Bob at a TOTO show at the Hammersmith Odeon - 92 or 93. He chatted for a few minutes - I asked hi about Vai & Eddie then& i asked for his autograph. When he handed back my ticket he´d signed it STEVE LUKATHER. ¨I won´t tell if you don´t ..... ¨

  • @CNCTEMATIC
    @CNCTEMATIC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great event. Well done guys.

  • @avgjoegat8126
    @avgjoegat8126 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Feels like I got a seat near them at a bar out of sheer good luck.

  • @charvelshredder
    @charvelshredder 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome Tone Talk!! I could listen to Bob tell stories for hours man! It’s like listening to that super cool uncle we all have, shooting the shit..what a cool dude! You guys have a great thing going with this show for sure. Any chance you’ll be able to talk Eddie into coming on? I can dream right?😜🎸🎸

    • @geruto17760
      @geruto17760 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What, after all this? LOL!

  • @peterschaefer1665
    @peterschaefer1665 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great show guys thanks. Put me down for a Friedman voiced tube preamp! If it is programmable (like the jmp-1), I'll take two!!

  • @MrAletube
    @MrAletube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    you don't argue with guitarists,technique wise!period.

  • @angusorvid8840
    @angusorvid8840 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember when these rigs where all the rage, and even a lot of club acts had, if not true Bradshaw rigs, their own take on it. In those days it was all about rack effects, and also rackmounted preamps, like the Boogie Studio .22 or Mark III Simulclass and Boogie 400 watt preamps. I just stuck with a few pedals. These days, because of technology, pedals are all the rage like never before.

  • @jasoncoventon7652
    @jasoncoventon7652 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bob is a Genius!!

  • @periloustemple8290
    @periloustemple8290 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know I'm late to the party, but the Studio Pre was Boogie's first, I think. It was between the Mark III and IV. Right after it, the Quad came out (but to me, the Studio Pre sounded like the III; the Quad was like the IV).

  • @2113rush
    @2113rush 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn’t it crazy that there are no new ones to take their place in the industry?

    • @jfo3000
      @jfo3000 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The music biz isn't giving money to the tech guys near the bottom anymore, so they can't thrive or even survive nowadays. These type of innovative guys go to work for other industries now.

  • @bigtrex76
    @bigtrex76 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So good
    Thanks

  • @prsplayer210
    @prsplayer210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would be cool to see a tonetalk with Sylvia massey

  • @gioelevio1626
    @gioelevio1626 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EPIC VIDEO🚀!!! I needed this interview a year and a half ago, when I was writing my degree thesis about Lukather, it would have been a much faster process😂, but anyway great episode! You guys kick ass🤘🏻

  • @MAP448
    @MAP448 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that a squirrel on Dave's head??? lol

  • @chrisbarclay
    @chrisbarclay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great episode

  • @MrAletube
    @MrAletube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    100% agree on the amp models in axefx,not even close,its good if you never heard a real amp in person.

    • @adamp2
      @adamp2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Once you mic a amp it don`t matter

    • @mikefenton5634
      @mikefenton5634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@adamp2 Or pay for cartage on tour once.

    • @johnvcougar
      @johnvcougar 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's its own thing, and sounds great. I don't really see the point of comparing analog and digital, they are their own beasts, and love them all like puppies.

    • @ironblast5
      @ironblast5 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like you haven't used a axe 3 yet setup by someone who knows how to play and use it. Check out Leon Todd's videos on it.

  • @drebatista
    @drebatista 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So good!!!!!!! That's the real deal right there!

  • @markferlan392
    @markferlan392 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lititz is a great small town! They even have a chocolate factory there, Wilbur chocolates.

    • @GMHG777
      @GMHG777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not anymore, the factory ceased operations in 2016 and was converted into very pricey hotel, condos, a bar/restaurant, and shops on the ground floor where the Wilbur retail store originally was. Wilbur still has an outlet store in the old Freeze and Frizz building across the street. It’s a very nice complex but kinda sad the chocolate manufacturing is gone now, used to be able to smell it all around the area which was heavenly !

    • @markferlan392
      @markferlan392 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GMHG777
      Bummer. It's been awhile since I've been back there. Loved the chocolate festival every Fall. Whole town smelled like chocolate.

  • @peevee605
    @peevee605 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unbeatable. Will you have Skydstrup on the show too?

  • @alexbozas887
    @alexbozas887 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, i had one of those british made Marshall lead 12's. Sold it and regretted it. Finally acquired another 30 years later but i swear it doesn't sound as good as the original one i had.

  • @sebaseba33
    @sebaseba33 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have learnt a lot in this episode, it can be summarized with the sentence: “what the fuck!!!”

  • @stevekirby7333
    @stevekirby7333 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reason why the varsity sound companies either build their own or rip the guts out of Furman type strips and just hardwire them. The only "conditioning" they want is clean connections.

  • @jeddak
    @jeddak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Suggested guest: Chris Poland - he's just re-released _Return To Metalopolis_, too!

  • @chrisbarclay
    @chrisbarclay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bob Bradshaw is a funny as

  • @johnmeeks9308
    @johnmeeks9308 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    bob you were also doing peter's rig

  • @jeddak
    @jeddak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That anecdote towards the end about Bob having dozens of empty Marshall amp cabinets lining his shelves - this was mentioned in another episode. Does anyone remember which one that was (who was the guest)?

  • @stevesuv
    @stevesuv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    People used to ask why does a 2290 cost 2290? ........cause its worth it

  • @jlbaxe
    @jlbaxe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make a CAE pre amp for the synergy 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻

  • @gregboboski9904
    @gregboboski9904 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did I miss it, or did you get through the show without discussing the MXR Dunlop connection ?

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We might have missed that...

  • @mikefenton5634
    @mikefenton5634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for not talking about the "you know which" other than that little bit. I know it's a serious issue but it's been a little relentless and difficult to escape. It would be excellent to see Ritchie Sambora, Lukather or Paul Reed Smith on the show at some point if at all possible.

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mike Fenton thank you for noticing. We really didn’t want to discuss it because it’s everywhere else. Let’s try to escape for a while. Thank you! We will try to get those guys on. PRS is unlikely...already tried

  • @ukguitarnoodle
    @ukguitarnoodle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i had craig andertons book !

    • @johnvcougar
      @johnvcougar 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pssst, you can find it online 😉

  • @RambleTone
    @RambleTone 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bob, didn’t you make a pedalboard for Randy Rhoads too?

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tony Lemieux don’t believe so

  • @steveburchfield5576
    @steveburchfield5576 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PEOPLE WHO LIKE GREAT JAZZ ROCK GUITAR SHOULD ALSO LISTEN TO TERRY HAGGERTY WITH THE SONS OF CHAMPLIN!! ON YT! ALSO ONE OF ROBBEN FORDS FAVORITE GUITARIST!

  • @wakjob961
    @wakjob961 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    AHHHH!!! he told us his favorite delay, the PCM42, but never told us his favorite chorus.

  • @steveburchfield5576
    @steveburchfield5576 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BUZZY IS AWESOME!!! THE BAND FULL MOON IS ALSO FIETEN _ LARSON STILL AVAILABLE ON YT> JUNGLE_WALK BY THE RASCALS WITH POPs POPWELL IS ONE OF BUZZS FIRST GREAT RECORDS!!! CHECK IT OUT !! I SAW BUZZY AT NV EXIT INN WITH BRADSHAW RACK AND TALKED TO HIM! LATER I PLAYED WITH POPS AT A CHURCH HE STARTED!! HE PLAYED DRUMS AND BASS AT THE SAME TIME!! I DIDNT KNOW IT WAS THE FIRST RACK ! ABOUT 35 YEARS AGO!!

  • @eternalism8274
    @eternalism8274 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:36:15 "you'd have to put an IR loader in it though". No you don't.

  • @VEGAN-X
    @VEGAN-X 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    IF TUBES GO WHAT ABOUT THE U47

  • @kellyjackson7889
    @kellyjackson7889 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "It was a Toe Toe Show"

  • @PlayFloyd_IN
    @PlayFloyd_IN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guys, get this Andy Brower/Brauer gentleman on the podcast... I mean who is this guy?

  • @PedigreeGuitars
    @PedigreeGuitars 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Tim Carmon, Bob refers to..

  • @ITheFight
    @ITheFight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    True Bypassss 🐍

  • @johnmeeks9308
    @johnmeeks9308 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Buzz is a thief!!! paid him to make a guitar and he never made one and never gave my noney back just disappeared he can thank my wife he's still walking

    • @STRATSAFIRE
      @STRATSAFIRE ปีที่แล้ว

      Funny how everyone just ignores you in this comment

    • @musicmaestro88
      @musicmaestro88 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😮

  • @luckylicks3497
    @luckylicks3497 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    44:54 A player saying 10 buffered pedals in a chain sounds sterile is not a particularly witty joke.

  • @TheBigwheels11
    @TheBigwheels11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steve Luk-a-ther...not Lu-Kath-er..not hard to say. No one corrects you, yet they say it correctly

    • @tone-talk
      @tone-talk  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      TheBigwheels11 shut up. Did I say that correctly?

  • @lssoundcompany5034
    @lssoundcompany5034 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video guys, more more more!