@@David-vb8tg they're hurting themselves and especially their family members after they die from a heart attack during their sleep because they kept their hematocrit at 60%. Do you think it's a good sports environment to be in as an athlete to know that the only way to be competitive is to put your life at risk.
@@David-vb8tg You clearly know absolutely NOTHING about the effects of performance-enhancing drugs on athletes! The facts make absolute comedy of your comments.
Obviously they're doped to the gills, but seeing the team captains sprinting up the start of the mountain is such a stark contrast to the dull Sky / Ineos train just gently going up the mountain one domestique at a time.
What must all those other riders have thought about Pantani. He demoralized the entire field. 16:15 this is the magic moment. The following year he won the Tour.
seeing the devil all the way to 97...I look for that guy every year. And it strange to see them without helmets. I had forgotten that back then you didnt have to wear them and most riders wouldnt for the big mountain stages.
Ulrich a man of natural ability! I find these comments stunning! Sure on the face of it the performances were stunning BUT the leading riders were all doped to the moon. The numbers and times now prove it.
Say what you want about doping, if one of us took epo and tried this we still wouldn’t even be close to his time. It still takes talent and the right physiology to perform that way. What a ride, what an era.
Except pantani was never found doped with epo...never. Pantani started winning in this way at 12 yo, he did the same thing for all his career, pantani manager showed the data of pantani, in a climb he reached 8 w/kg, his lactate resistance was overhuman, his style unmatched
Yeah something like that, but he misstimed his season this year, plus he had a divorce going on. Focus was lower he probably also took the fame to him a bit too much, and then age also played a factor. He still has the best climbing perfomance on a HC climb for any rider. Done in 1996 Heutacam.
He gets smoked by Marco not sure about rest. In 2005 his mountain tt which everyone thought might challenge pantanis record wasn't close in end. It's top five though Marco has two fastest ascents.
@@ryanphelan6861 well yeah pantani in 95 and 97 had a hematocrit of nearly 53 while lance never tested over 50. If lance had the freedom to dope like this era I'm sure he'd keep up. If Ulrich was only 40 seconds behind and Ulrich lost over a minute to lance in 2001 . Pantani record up the alpe d huez was on flat stage and got dragged to the bottom so basically a time trial up the hill for him too.
@@abone2pick lance never tested positive oeriod yet admits to using everything not justv test,hgh,epo. Marco was never the same after 98, hevwas never the same after 94' when his leg was smashed head on with a car that got on course, but hes the most gifted climber ive ever seen. Then it was load and lift load and lift. Lance is first guy to dope so much he went from a world champ and world class one day specialist who couldn't finish tour in his 4 previous tries to a guys who won it 7 times in a row , one day into a mountain goat, without even racing another grand tour to avoid press/testing and he didn't care money is at tour. Marco doubled , marco in horrible physical and mental shape in 99' still dropped lance before pulling out of race. 2003 vino/ullrich attack is time lance 2.0 being dropped. I don't care about doping either these guys are ferraris and mercedes they are going to look for best spark plugs and motor oil. Trust one crit testing after last stage where marco wouldn't ;et another man take a climbing stage in 99 giro the way country was run, you would stand on lance never tested over 50. He never tested positive period it was all money and bullshit he was tiger woods breaking into american market with treak, oakley, nike. Not sure what else your point is Lance raced filthy because it was overseen by genius who I actually respect all marginal gains glucose, amino acids, lactate threshold, is stuff nichele really pushed. Marco climbed and took epo, lance trained under supervision of ledaing cutting edge sports physiologist who took bags of prime blood after lacatate testing etc to make sure it was 94 octane and injected it transfusion+epo+HGH+testosterone+whole bunch of crazy stuff nobody can afford. Marcos crit after he had race wrapped on last stage . What do you think? Marco didn;t understand the science you think he benefited more than lance? You got blinders on bud. Money afforded him private jets and access to training at altitude and doctors checkups marco could never dreamed of. Not comparable. He can keep his 7 yellows all were dirty then but win tour 7 times never race giro until 09' you're a glutton with no respect for sport and thatis why he got caught
@@abone2pick 99 was fastest ever tour, but because lance everybody jumped on gravy train. They had drugs in 90's no idea how to use them people dying in sleep. 99-on they took it to next level ask ferrari, he said lance had to take it easy beacuse of reporters and appearnaces his attack on vonteux for a guy with no mountain pedigree is most unnatural thing i've seen in cycling. Backstedt roubaix, riis on hautucam,beloki on alpe. Pantani outclimbed everyone from juniors lance in mountain TT couldn;t touch pantanis alpe d'zuez times iin 95 and 97. Pantani couldn;t tt he climbed like we have never seen. I thought cunego was impressive young but didn;t have mentality. peace out. Watch armstrong lie and accidental death of a cyclist if you didn't follow both carfeers.
What? its like 100% better. Or you just dont like vingegaard? Last 2 years has been more exciting both tactically and competitively. 89, 96,97,98 were also pretty exciting, but Lances tdfs were not exciting at all, only maybe 2003.
@@johandust6926 I really doubt that was an accurate result.🤣 ain't no way on earth you had the same amount of red blood cells as athletes that spend thousands on epo and and preform heavy blod transfusions unless you were doing that shit too. What was your resting heart rate? Like 20 bpm or something?
Pantani had his test tampered with during the giro… he was simply to good and causing issues by dominating so they put a stop to him . I don’t think he doped. The guy was pretty average on the flats but the hills he was unbeatable.
Of course he doped, however, compared to Armstrong and others he tested positive because the organisers wanted it…or at least not cover it up like in the other cases. Sure Armstring tested positive many times, but because of money the organisers looked away…
@@mrajal8490 yeah - could be the case. I just think the way he came across he was genuinely broken by the way he was treated. Not how a cheater would behave at least. I still think as a talent he was one of the very best.
Simon I worked in professional sport (NotCycling) for many years. I get quite angry when I see people making excuses for dopers! doping is NOT an equaliser it NEVER created a level playing field that’s WHY riders did it the UCI was as guilty as the dopers with poor leadership the 50% level was frankly laughable, dope does not increase everyones ability by the same percentage, there must be no refuge given or excuses made for cheats. And that is exactly what any rider that took EPO , Blood Doped , Testosterone, etc etc did it’s ALL chemical cheating. I feel sorry for people like Christophe Bassons a clean rider driven OUT of the Pro Peloton by CHEATS
El tiempo de virenque es uno de los mas rapidos a esta subida. Creo que es como 10 de Todo el tiempo. Pantani no pudo con el ritmo de virenque en el contrareloj el dia antes de esto. Pantani Tampaco no pudo aguantar el ritmo de virenque i ulrich el dia siguiente I perdio casi 3 minutos.
I don't care if he was doped out of his mind...watching Pantani climb is absolutely incredible, the man is basically in a sprint up the Alpe
Let them juice if they want to. They aren't hurting anybody.
@@David-vb8tg they're hurting themselves and especially their family members after they die from a heart attack during their sleep because they kept their hematocrit at 60%. Do you think it's a good sports environment to be in as an athlete to know that the only way to be competitive is to put your life at risk.
@@latte6878 yes
@@David-vb8tg You clearly know absolutely NOTHING about the effects of performance-enhancing drugs on athletes! The facts make absolute comedy of your comments.
Le grand pantani
Pantanis record at Alp D Huez still has not been broken
Pantani a pose un rytme très élevé ce le meilleur grimpeur du monde ❤
Obviously they're doped to the gills, but seeing the team captains sprinting up the start of the mountain is such a stark contrast to the dull Sky / Ineos train just gently going up the mountain one domestique at a time.
gently lmao
Who cares if they're doped. I say let them.
But THAT is how clean riders win!
What must all those other riders have thought about Pantani. He demoralized the entire field. 16:15 this is the magic moment. The following year he won the Tour.
Despite PEDs Pantani was a beast
They said in 97 and 98 literally every man in Peloton was jucied so Pantani win is legit!!
pantani was the best
What about colombian riders.
@@colombianflag717 not even close
@@colombianflag717 they're good climbers but pantani would destroy any of them up a long steep climb like the alpe d'huez
seeing the devil all the way to 97...I look for that guy every year. And it strange to see them without helmets. I had forgotten that back then you didnt have to wear them and most riders wouldnt for the big mountain stages.
Ulrich a man of natural ability! I find these comments stunning! Sure on the face of it the performances were stunning BUT the leading riders were all doped to the moon. The numbers and times now prove it.
Such a lazy and dull narrative. "They doped". Well thanks for opening our eyes, Sherlock. Nobody would be aware if it wasn't for you!
16.40
Pantani Attacks
Say what you want about doping, if one of us took epo and tried this we still wouldn’t even be close to his time. It still takes talent and the right physiology to perform that way. What a ride, what an era.
Sad BS
Except pantani was never found doped with epo...never.
Pantani started winning in this way at 12 yo, he did the same thing for all his career, pantani manager showed the data of pantani, in a climb he reached 8 w/kg, his lactate resistance was overhuman, his style unmatched
@@AlesxandrosHuh? Pantani retroactively tested positive for EPO. They used his samples from the '98 TDF.
Who made the music in the end of the video? Daft punk? The year would make sense though.
Whwn Pantani gone there wasn't for noone !
AMAZING
Bjarme riss forgot his juice
Yeah something like that, but he misstimed his season this year, plus he had a divorce going on. Focus was lower he probably also took the fame to him a bit too much, and then age also played a factor.
He still has the best climbing perfomance on a HC climb for any rider. Done in 1996 Heutacam.
Pantani on dope*
Everyone: what a legend!
Armstrong on dope*
Everyone: you're ruining the sport!!
Yes. Armstrong didn't ruin cycling by doping. He ruined it with corruption and bullying.
Put 2001 lance armstrong in this race , what happens?
He gets smoked by Marco not sure about rest. In 2005 his mountain tt which everyone thought might challenge pantanis record wasn't close in end. It's top five though Marco has two fastest ascents.
@@ryanphelan6861 well yeah pantani in 95 and 97 had a hematocrit of nearly 53 while lance never tested over 50. If lance had the freedom to dope like this era I'm sure he'd keep up. If Ulrich was only 40 seconds behind and Ulrich lost over a minute to lance in 2001 . Pantani record up the alpe d huez was on flat stage and got dragged to the bottom so basically a time trial up the hill for him too.
@@ryanphelan6861 pantani wasn't as good after the 98 scandal changed doping in cycling to the 50% hematocrit rule.
@@abone2pick lance never tested positive oeriod yet admits to using everything not justv test,hgh,epo. Marco was never the same after 98, hevwas never the same after 94' when his leg was smashed head on with a car that got on course, but hes the most gifted climber ive ever seen. Then it was load and lift load and lift. Lance is first guy to dope so much he went from a world champ and world class one day specialist who couldn't finish tour in his 4 previous tries to a guys who won it 7 times in a row , one day into a mountain goat, without even racing another grand tour to avoid press/testing and he didn't care money is at tour. Marco doubled , marco in horrible physical and mental shape in 99' still dropped lance before pulling out of race. 2003 vino/ullrich attack is time lance 2.0 being dropped. I don't care about doping either these guys are ferraris and mercedes they are going to look for best spark plugs and motor oil. Trust one crit testing after last stage where marco wouldn't ;et another man take a climbing stage in 99 giro the way country was run, you would stand on lance never tested over 50. He never tested positive period it was all money and bullshit he was tiger woods breaking into american market with treak, oakley, nike. Not sure what else your point is Lance raced filthy because it was overseen by genius who I actually respect all marginal gains glucose, amino acids, lactate threshold, is stuff nichele really pushed. Marco climbed and took epo, lance trained under supervision of ledaing cutting edge sports physiologist who took bags of prime blood after lacatate testing etc to make sure it was 94 octane and injected it transfusion+epo+HGH+testosterone+whole bunch of crazy stuff nobody can afford. Marcos crit after he had race wrapped on last stage . What do you think? Marco didn;t understand the science you think he benefited more than lance? You got blinders on bud. Money afforded him private jets and access to training at altitude and doctors checkups marco could never dreamed of. Not comparable. He can keep his 7 yellows all were dirty then but win tour 7 times never race giro until 09' you're a glutton with no respect for sport and thatis why he got caught
@@abone2pick 99 was fastest ever tour, but because lance everybody jumped on gravy train. They had drugs in 90's no idea how to use them people dying in sleep. 99-on they took it to next level ask ferrari, he said lance had to take it easy beacuse of reporters and appearnaces his attack on vonteux for a guy with no mountain pedigree is most unnatural thing i've seen in cycling. Backstedt roubaix, riis on hautucam,beloki on alpe. Pantani outclimbed everyone from juniors lance in mountain TT couldn;t touch pantanis alpe d'zuez times iin 95 and 97. Pantani couldn;t tt he climbed like we have never seen. I thought cunego was impressive young but didn;t have mentality. peace out. Watch armstrong lie and accidental death of a cyclist if you didn't follow both carfeers.
aujourd'hui il n'y a pas des coureurs de cyclisme comme pantani et Riis
Marco Pantani ne bi nikoli pozabljen.
Le grand pantani
with pure what
POWAH
Epo*
He would have been faster if it wasn`t for the annoying spectators...
Let them dope!! Pro cycling is Boring now!! Terrible racing. 23 Tour was like a amateur event🤮
What? its like 100% better. Or you just dont like vingegaard? Last 2 years has been more exciting both tactically and competitively. 89, 96,97,98 were also pretty exciting, but Lances tdfs were not exciting at all, only maybe 2003.
Full of EPO, Pantani had a Hematocrit-Level of nearly 60%.
Merten B. I’m sure it’s fine
@@Dennis4523 as long as u dont sleep to deep, cause it could kill you XD
I tested 54% hematocrit, without epo. The 50% limit is complete bullshit.
@@johandust6926 I really doubt that was an accurate result.🤣 ain't no way on earth you had the same amount of red blood cells as athletes that spend thousands on epo and and preform heavy blod transfusions unless you were doing that shit too. What was your resting heart rate? Like 20 bpm or something?
@@abone2pick Not correct. Ask a doctor.
But not as powerful as Marco Pantani Smashed on drugs
Pantani had his test tampered with during the giro… he was simply to good and causing issues by dominating so they put a stop to him . I don’t think he doped. The guy was pretty average on the flats but the hills he was unbeatable.
I miss the private
What an astonishing statement!
Of course he doped, however, compared to Armstrong and others he tested positive because the organisers wanted it…or at least not cover it up like in the other cases. Sure Armstring tested positive many times, but because of money the organisers looked away…
@@mrajal8490 yeah - could be the case. I just think the way he came across he was genuinely broken by the way he was treated. Not how a cheater would behave at least. I still think as a talent he was one of the very best.
Simon I worked in professional sport (NotCycling) for many years. I get quite angry when I see people making excuses for dopers! doping is NOT an equaliser it NEVER created a level playing field that’s WHY riders did it the UCI was as guilty as the dopers with poor leadership the 50% level was frankly laughable, dope does not increase everyones ability by the same percentage, there must be no refuge given or excuses made for cheats. And that is exactly what any rider that took EPO , Blood Doped , Testosterone, etc etc did it’s ALL chemical cheating. I feel sorry for people like Christophe Bassons a clean rider driven OUT of the Pro Peloton by CHEATS
Virenque no aguanto El ritmo
El tiempo de virenque es uno de los mas rapidos a esta subida. Creo que es como 10 de Todo el tiempo. Pantani no pudo con el ritmo de virenque en el contrareloj el dia antes de esto. Pantani Tampaco no pudo aguantar el ritmo de virenque i ulrich el dia siguiente I perdio casi 3 minutos.