Finland. Number One Reason Foreigners Run Away From Here
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2023
- Finland is the kind of country that once you get there you love it and feel relaxed, then you start despising it with every single sense that you have and then you either leave, stay depressed or make it big. Finland is developed, weird, peaceful, boring, safe, and tense all at once, and people here are so different from almost every other country that foreigners struggle to enjoy their life and so they abandon Finland. Let's talk more about it in the video.
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00:12 Foreigners in Finland Miss Socializing
00:58 Why Finnish People Are So Bad at Socializing
02:09 Traumas and Homogenous Lifestyle of Finnish People
02:50 Struggles with Socializing with Finns
03:27 Finland is Almost Like Wakanda from Marvel
03:50 The Proof of Finnish People Being Bad at Socializing
04:51 The Only Point of Social Interactions
05:50 Finnish People Who Live Outside of Finland
06:18 Why Finnish People Think They are Introverts
07:29 Finnish People Are Very Smart
08:12 Finnish So-Called "Extroverts"
09:24 Foreigners - Reach Out
Hi! Took me a while to get to this subject. But it's important to talk about that. For all the existing subscribers - I hope this will be relevant to you. For all the foreigners in Finland and open-minded Finnish people - welcome. You are not alone.
I come from Northern Ontario, a part of Canada which has many Finns, who arrived generations ago. The landscape there is identical to the landscape of Finland.... boreal forests and lakes, with small patches of agricultural land in the southernmost part. Long winters with lots of snow. Northern Lights in the sky. Geese in the sky, and loons calling over the lakes. The First Nations of that area, the Cree and Ojibway people, always got along really well with the Finns. "They're just like us," I've heard Cree elders say. "They know how to hunt and live in the forest. They know how to tell stories the right way. They know about the Sweat Hut [i.e., the Sauna. It is sacred for the Cree just as it is for the Finns]" Some of the elders refused to believe that Finns were from Europe. The two cultures share the same toughness, self-reliance, and some of the same reticence with people. I think I could get along well in Finland, counting on my childhood experience. When I hear someone reciting the Kalevala, it puts me in exactly the same mood as hearing our old tales of Nanibush and Glooskap. I would have no trouble hanging out with Finns and sharing the silence.
I only have good things to say about Finland and finnish people, lived in Helsinki for more than 2 years in the past. Finnish people just need a little more time to get to know you, once they do they are amazing . I will always Love Finland and finnish people, so many gud memories.
Very interesting how this came up on my feed since I just yesterday had a good two hour face to face chat with a random Kenyan immigrant in a park.
I've been in Finland for a couple of times. That's a very nice and friendly place in my mind. :)
They built mssive nuclear power plant, have cheapest electricity in europe, and they look after their homeless people. Good job Finland !
As an Estonian i can relate to that. Whole family is cold and thick skinned. Foreigners constantly tell me to smile lol. I tell them that i don't have smile muscles. Our ppl went thru a rough path also being slaves and constantly being occupied. I always thought that the lack of expressing emotions for us and Finns comes from the cold climate and working too hard.
I have a brother who moved to Norway from New Zealand in 2001 to raise a family. On my visits there I found the Norwegians to be similarly closed off. I found it difficult to engage with them beyond the superficial with only rare exceptions that surprised even my brother. After 22 years living there my brother is just about ready to leave. His two daughters have left home so there is less and less tying him there. He simply doesn't feel integrated.
We might have worse social skills than world average, but part of the difficulties come also from different expectations. We don't expect to start a conversation with strangers on the street or do a lot small talk, because we are not very interested in it. Our way of interaction could be much cooler. That's what we are accustomed to. If you don't like it, that's your preference. Personally, I feel much worse after speaking with, let's say Arabs, because the way they speak sounds angry and imposing to me. It's exhausting to me. But it's not their fault, we are just accustomed to different ways of interaction.
Excellent points covered, interesting video. Finnish people are generally super helpful and also very HONEST people. There is an honest quality to most finnish people I believe, although they may not have all the social skills that other countries do... However this also makes them more genuine I believe...
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Now that I am in Finland, I find this to be absolutely true. In other countries its easy to socialize and express your thoughts and emotions at any point in the conversation, but here I find that I need to tiptoe around people and conversations. The Finns nod politely when you meet them if ever they do. You are right its hard to connect here, there are exceptions maybe a couple of Finns but I know that they are also well travelled and exposed to other cultures so I understand. Thanks for discussing this.
Thanks Edward, in this vlog you share many insights and views on what can make Finnish society particularly challenging for foreigners who come from more population-dense countries and societies. You focus on and rate the underdeveloped small-talk and socializing skills of Finns as a #1 repulsive feature. Yes, it may well be for some disappointed foreigners - or the respective sensitivities and culturally-bound interaction skills simply don’t match. For many others it could variously be their own inadequate language skills (inability to verbally communicate adequately enough), or rigours of climate (long cold winters and seasonal polarity in available sunlight), or inability to secure a job and livelihood (the cost of living is fairly high and certainly higher than in the Global South). Apart from Finland’s southern coastal region, most of the country has a subarctic climate. During the winter half of the year, it’s best here for people to conserve and use their bio- and mental energy judiciously - not fritter it away in the manner of southern chatterati. Finland also has unique boons to offer, but that’s a topic for another day. Cheers!
Finland appears to be the promised land for introverts.
I dont care what you say. I am moving to finland
Thanks for the interesting perspective on your country, Eduard!
Very interesting. As a finn it is good to hear these things also. I have lived abroad and i think its true what you saying. Its good that you have read so well about finlands history. Some people might think that finland always has been developed country but only 50 years ago it really wasnt. Also its good that you notice difference between western countries and finland. Some people think that finland is western country even that its totally not western.
Finland was not occupied. Finnish culture however is very anti-social. We natives who prefer more social cultures feel the same here.
Well, I had my DNA done a while back I turned out t be 16% finnish and the rest, mostly Swedish and Norwegian. I understand the speaking issue. when I was growing up here in the states, I remember so much chatter, chatter... drove me nuts. I always just felt, intuitively, I just didn't want to waist my words- that words had value and were not to be easily spent. Speak only when necessary. Well, that doesn't go over well with Americans. They think you are rude or arrogant. I think Fins take this to the extreme but I get it. Why speak when there is nothing to say. It just makes sense to me. But I've learned all the different levels of American social speak. It's painful, but it can be done, and honestly, there is an art to it and you learn it brings a lot of social value even when the topic is ridiculously boring. So, I think you are on the right track. Don't eliminate the idea of genetics. If Finns have been doing this for generations, there might be a genetic component as well.
I absolutely respect Finnish People, the culture and everything.