REVAMPED THUNDERBELT SUCKS? | DO YOU USE IT?
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- i cant call it late game item since the stacks doesn't work without using basic attacks but it does help!
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To slow and dangerous to stack tbh
Get good jk just try to be as anoying buy it erly and be happy with 67 hybrid def 52 stacs jus be agresif
Depend on hero. I use johnson and only got like 20 stack. When i pick roger 1 can get up to 75 stack
They should allow any damage (including item passives like cursed helmet) to give stacks. Tanks and fighters ain’t got range to basic attack every 4 seconds.
@@ttschannel875will roger get full benefits for the thunderbelt?
@@captainjack1819it have fighter/mm roles, so yeah
As a guy who bullied some players with Esmeralda and got 300 Physical Defense with 70 Stacks Thunder Belt & 6 Stacks Clock of Destiny. (And other items + base def) I can only say that this item is not OP, but not weak either. Balanced.
Everyone please remember that Thunder Belt is not suitable for Roamers, but EXP Laners. Since EXP Laners often attack enemies, it is easier to stack Thunder Belt than others. On the contrary, Jungler attacks creeps more, and Roamer does not often perform basic attacks. Except Hilda, Chip etc., they can use it.
As for those who are longing for Cooldown Reduction, unfortunately they probably won't be added back because Thunder Belt no longer requires skill, so CDR on Thunder Belt is meaningless. For Mana Regen, they have plans to remove Mana from all Physical Heroes in Layla's Workshop. If that happens, there won't be any worries about Mana Regen.
It is suitable for Hylos
Hylos and belerick does benefit much from thunder belt
Chou as both EXP laner and roamer can also benefit from Thunder Belt because it aids him on activating his passive faster and help him do decent damage when using full tank builds
Yu zhong, Lapu2,Arlot, Papuito? With thunder belt is quite good because they could Deals Great damage and get a bit Tanky
What's your Esme build?
The problem is the mana regen is gone
Very true ... We all want to use it for mana hungry tank or fighter....
It also loses its 10% CDR, which makes it worse for skill-dependent tanks like Lolita or Kaja
@@Loliconnoisseur2406 true i used it on aldous for the cd and mana regen since he still kinda mana hungry when you want to keep using s1 for minions on lane
Only good for hylos because he doesnt need mana much.
But...its funny how it works slightly for yin.
Seriously?
The main attributes give 20 physical and magic def
If u have 20 stack by 15min it is equivalent to antique and athena or radiant attributes .
And the main part is in 15min u can get 2 items attributes from 1 item and as the game progresses the attributes will keep stacking
This item is not good for tig type tanks as they are more bush based hero rather than gatot , mathilda who can constantly keep poking enemies
Eh you mention it basically Athena sheild but you don't realize Athena sheild block 25 percent incoming magic damage the attributes isn't what make Athena sheild good it too low imo once you buy genius wand. I still think the item is good tho I see some people build sun tank with it
15 Adaptive Defense
"equivalent to antique and athena or radiant attributes" - Those have % damage reduction which is much powerful than raw defense.
"If u have 20 stack by 15min" - It is much harder to get stacks than you think. (For the typical exp laners)
But for those who do damage then it is good.
@@coldbread8313 I have been experimenting with Sun tank and built the Thunder Belt as his first complete item (in Classic tho because I am not a psychopath).
For me, the infinite defense stacking is good but the main reason I use it is the true damage basic attack every 4 seconds that scales as 100% of your physical defense and magic defense.
Even his clones can proc its passive too. The best I can get is up to 100k total damage at the end of the match.
@@kamotetops1572 i am talking bout active attributes which is better than those two combined within 15min .
In my experience within 20min i can stack upto 40 at least .
I am mathilda main so its super ez to collect stacks . U can easily collect stacks if ur using damage tank such as akai roam , gatot , mathilda , khufra so on . They can constantly keep poking enemy so stacking is quite ez actually. But if u r using heroes like tig or atlas u cant stack as u r hiding in bush most of the time .
Also athena or antique passive might give u better def but if u combine twilight armor with thunder belt i dont think u will need to buy them anymore as with a normal tank with normal 10k hp can have 40% damage reduction from all kind of physical magic even true damage .
And thunder belt will keep stacking your def and increase ur damage as a tank .
This is for exp laners that trades basic attacks in lane to stack it, not for roamers since u delay the buy and dont spam attack.
I saw my ally use it on layla... That's the first item she used before building dmg, probably bcz at that time the enemies dmg is kinda busted, gotta say at late game she's kinda tanky the enemy can't really burst her and she got around 38 stack(got halve if mm or mage use it tho)
I myself tried it with Layla in several games. First of all, i feel stacks or their effects are not halved on Layla for some reason.( I tried on cyclops and it was halved i feel)
And secondly, stacking is very difficult. I could never reach more than 25 stacks even though I tried in 3-4 games.
This strategy is effective when enemies have like 3 assassins. Or when your team doesn't have any frontline. But those conditions are rare. In other normal matches, the thunder belt isn't worth it for Layla in my opinion.
Isn't the halved thingy only for the 99% slow effect?
@@Engelion No, the attributes are halved not the slow. So it means you need 2 stacks to get 1 hybrid defense in Mages or Marksmen.
@user-qd5lb7qr8z good to know. I like stunlocking people as valir with ice wand and thunderbelt plus weakness finder.
The problem is triggering its passive which is through basic attack, most tanks don't usually do much basic attacks with some exemption being, Kaja and Khufra and i guess hylos and gatot but it just doesn't fully live up to idea that you get tankier as the game goes on
It's not an item designed for roamers. It's made for those in the EXP lane,since they have a much higher chance of hitting the enemy than initiator tanks ever will
@AllenTheAnimator004 I liked using it with lapu and it works
Chip also works as his skill 1 and 2 are counted as basic attack
@@AllenTheAnimator004Belerick and Hilda benefit in this item despite being roam
Already tested it in many times
No not since they removed the mana regen from the item too its ruined multiple builds of mana hungry heroes for me
Well, only safe way for those now is either EB, SS, ET, DS or just using Basic Common Emblem depending on the hero and playstyle
I used to use it on Uranus. What's a tank supposed to do for mana Regen now?
@@chadfr1013enchanted talisman
Aldous crying
Basic common emblem is good for mana hungry characters
Using this with minsi was something else ngl
Minsi is literally perfect with this item, bro has long range attack and can also bring enemy close to spam thundebelt
Too slow, dead before even landing passive
@@zackzoom8779 it literally was fun to use it on minsi. I was playing him and he was pretty sturdy at 20 stacks without needing other defense items.
Yes. And even the guards get the true damage too
@@gs3bs umm no? His S2 can proc Thunder Belt since it counts as basic attacks. In what world is his S2 slow?
Mostly for exp laner but rn Minsi is a deadly user of the Thunderbelt Item since he benefit all the stats.
fr, got 30 stacks in less than 15 mins with it (bad enemies and 5 man)
Mained this on Chou, Barats and Fred and I feel like TB's base hybrid defense might need an little tune-up
Agree
You'd think Barats will have a field day stomping enemies all match, but he surprisingly doesn't use his basic attack that often against heroes. It's usually ult-S1-S2 and the enemy is almost always dead
For some hero that activates it easy its kinda op like for example esme. Since the release of the new item i have tried the new thunderbelt and clock of destiny and its really really good on her. My teammates were useless but i carried so hard and i got so much thunderbelt stack that im practically impossible to kill (unless you stand still and don't run) so basically i got around 40% of the damage deal and around 48% of the damage taken
I've been using this new revamped Thunderbelt on Edith recently and I think it's actually one of her important item right now, since the new Thunderbelt will give you Physical Def & Magical Def and it's actually a lot of Physical Def and Magical Def if you have a lot of stacks! And also don't forget with Edith's ultimate is converting Physical Def and Magical Def into magic power, it will surely make her deal more damage!
from what I know it should be stacking half since edit is considered marksman?
@@negativezero9179 she's a Tank/Marksman. And since the role "Tank" is first, she is mainly classified as a Tank which allows for her to use Thunderbelt.
@@negativezero9179 Her role is tank first and mm second so she gets full benefit from thunder belt unlike alice who is mage first and tank second so she doesn't benefit thunder belt that much
Can edith proc with passive since both required basic atk to trigger
@@nikkoflores920 Nope sadly.. it's already her core item.. if her passive counts then it's broken to her
This is my first item on Guin and i've been owning games.. Gatot on the other hand is on another level since his armor increases as his hp drops...
Oh yeah Guin's homing basic attack is a godsend. Same with Alucard
It works but its slow to build up stacks and sometimes the stacks straight up dont build up, it doesnt work in Sun clones, or even opponent's with shields like Hanabi. It only stacks if they actually take hp damage from the item passive. Best case scenario in a xp lane matchup where you can fully stacks to your heart's content, you get 50-ish stacks 20 minutes in the game.
I usually build it, as a roamer, after the basic boots, later I upgrade the boots depending on enemy lineup, mostly the magic one because of its resilience attribute and I don't see any problem in building as 1st item as long as there's no strong early game hero opponent combined with sustain/healer lineup, because delaying the life drain effect and depending on dmg dealers to build it early on is a risky choice.
Nonetheless the slow it applies is still acceptable, just a like Kaja's paralyzing effects.
I am use it to my Thamuz for my First Item and it fits well. I even get around 48 stack at 12 min which is huge, it juts like 1 pdef item and 1 magic def item with benefit of increasing dmg as well.
It's built for exp laners. There's a guy somewhere in the comment section who allegedly got 70+ stacks on esme. Personally, I got 50+ stacks on khaleed. And that was in less than 20 mins (I built it first). At that point, the true dmg was already 500+ (tho I had other aources of def). It was definitely powerful. But I would've probably had much more trouble stacking if I was using other heroes (khaleed passive charges up just a tiny bit sooner than thunderbelt).
TBelt is good for early stages of the game, especially if you are an aggressive Roamer/EXP being a Frontliner (Like Chou, Hilda, and others who has great mobility and sustain).
I'm using the Tbelt every time when I was Roam Chou, to get the early hybrid def stacks to be tanky in early to mid game. It's balanced, unlike the Sky piercer (Execute but in steroids).
This item is good to some tank heroes that can do damage while tank build like belerick, uranus or hilda. Uranus you can just dive enemy for the stack and back off. Hilda can do the same, just walk to enemies, basic attack then run with 1st skill back to bush. Belerick with guardian helm you can do the same 2nd skill active then punch enemy.
If they separate stack cooldown to only occur when you hit enemy with basic attack and passive slow effect cooldown isn't needed for you to gain stack then this would become pretty great item. Like stack gain CD(4 sec) and slow + true damage CD(2sec)
Heavily underrated item
used it on silvana, it works on her 2nd skill sometimes if i hit multiple opponents using her second skill i gain more than 1 stack, i gain around 20-30+ on 15 mins game and 30-50 stacks on 20+ min game
@@qwerty14305 agreed, my second or third item
I use this revamp thunder belt with Clock of Destiny for Belerick and I really love it. Maybe because Belerick passive is vengeance that's why it's very effective. I tried these to other heroes but I think it's not good.
Or maybe just simply only activates if the basic attacks hits an enemy hero to make it more consistent. Sometimes the passive triggers on non-hero too without increased stacks and that's sucks
Used this item on Alpha, changed my build from Bruteforce to Thunderbelt since the added movement bonus is better for a kiting hero like alpha. For me, they need to imporve how the stack works. You cannot stack on minions and creeps, only heroes. This results to me getting an average of 12-15 stacks every game. As a suggestion, they need to change the condiions of stacking just like how aldous stacks with his punch. Or better, decrease the recharge time of its basic attack passive skill, while tuning its damage and slow
Maybe decrease the cooldown.
Four seconds feels like eternity when im in a teamfight.
in my opinion, thunderbelt is only strong if you build it first item, which sucks because a lot of the heroes who are supposed to use it need to use their first item slot for core item. Tanks also dont really have range its hard to build stacks. But this item is really decent when tank junglers/exp laners who alr use it to clear wave/jungle (like fredrinn)
This. The item gives so little stats for a first item
@@weis2098 its like a paradox
The only problem of current thunderbelt is that this item don't provide us with mana regen, which is very important for some heroes
i used thunder belt on mathilda after boots, then flask of oasis, later other defensive items. Mathilda is a poke-type hero who has passive (enhancing basic attack) plus with triple support boot talents, she's great at chasing down enemies or retreating with her allies. She's with thunder belt is super good! Especially on late game, she always dive in and out on teamfights, she's getting tankier and wont die easily.
The new Thunderbelt is pretty good for EXP tank users who would often basic attack. I watched Bulacan State University use it on an EXP Akai in the MSL Collegiate Cup, and he did pretty well (MVP of the game). It's very effective for EXP Laners, but shouldn't really be used on roamers unless you're playing solo ranked
Maybe the 4 second cool down reduce on each basic attack. Like weakness finder
The purpose of the item is to let the wearer keep both p and m dmg under control, with thunder belt and other def equipment you could easily reach 5x% dmg reduction and can be higher depending on your stack, reaching 6x% dmg reduction is quite easy if you make thunder belt as your 1st or 2nd item, not to mention this item provide you 20 mov speed,where sky piercer only give you 15 mov speed, and the additional dmg upon activation and slow debuff is great, at late game if you using carmila or hylos,idk about the other, you could just straight up dive to enemy backline and hyper focused on enemy mm or mage, if they dont run they gonna die with item passive + hylos skill2+1stun, or carmilla,skill2+1stun
In real match hero that have enchant basic atack skill like aldos, alucard, ling or any one that really rewarded for hit using basic attack (usually after skill) is getting 30+ stack is doable in one game ... What the problem are after that there alot other hero that can really make it good because they need to hit with melee basic attack... And it dmg is still quite low for it trouble....
Ive been using this item with khaleed(the desert guy) as my first item, in early game, its pretty easy to use it and i can stack fast with his passive. + Oracle+ queens wing + war axe+ guardian helm. + Support emblem + revitalize spell. Its pretty op.
some viable aplication is if you can:
1) bought it as item number 1 or 1.5 (couple of uncompleted item, except boots), without compromising hero growth(almost all tanks, non-burst roamer, defense oriented exp laner),
2) sustain for continuous clash, without dying multiple time, while still contributing according to hero role(high sustain hero),
3a) constanly stacking by attacking single hero(exp/gold lane), or
3b) safely initiate a big concentrated clash, to gain multiple stack on each hit(tanks/support), or
3c) gain mutiple stack each hit using instant wide aoe basic attack (freya, bane, aulus, clint etc),
the thing works perfectly with khufra's ranged basic attack passive
If you are agressive exp laner, you can abuse this items...
I was try it to heroes with poking ability with skills+b.atk are good to get this items...
In gold lane or jungler, you can use it on Roger... thanks to his passive and thanks to thunderbelt passive this can be anoyying to Roger...
The only hero that can safely pick this as their first item in a real match is hylos since he's really just a meat shield. I've played hylos with thunderbelt as first item and he does not have any problems with it; decent hp- able to receive more damage, dmg passive to help his 2nd deal more dmg and slow enemies more effectively, although yes the item has a really low def stat but it makes sense because of the mechanic.
Honestly only hylos can really use this item with no issues at all, stacking up the passive is not really fast but I like the little extra damages I can deal with it. I think if they decrease the cooldown of how fast you can stack the passive, it would make the item too op although it sounds like it should make it more balanced. Making it stack faster would be way better and that's the only improvement I could think of to help make this item more popular and useful.
Roamer hylos with Thunderbolt first item can pretty much solo every mm. People kinda underestimate how much dmg Hylos first skill + thunderbelt buff can deal. It totally caught people off guard when they're losing 2/5 HP after getting hit by that.
Although not conventional but I do love the new thunderbelt on my Akai and whether jungle or roam it is my first item. It boosts his early damage potential and his ability to bully squishy hero to death while giving free defense (who doesn't love free stuff lol) but imo if you do jungle akai molten essence is still better, cheaper, and faster for farming
Exp akai
They should make the cooldown for the next basic attack shorter, they should also let us have stack when use to creeps and minions but we'll only get 0.5 hybrid def. Or just changed it into percentage damage reduction? If you get 20 stacks, you will have 20% damage reduction instead of hybrid defense
Edit: they should put back the mana regen and cooldown, maybe I'll consider it. This works pretty good on Esme, maybe Rafa and Mathilda too but I don't think they really need this item. Bottom line, this Thunderbelt revamps suck just like how they're trying to bring back Phoveus
The hybrid def increases along with the number of heroes you hit when the passive procs. So it only helps when you have (or are) a roamer that can group the opponents together; otherwise it’s rather useless. Have tried it on a Hylos 16 mins game, and I got 46 hybrid defense
There is a 4 second cooldown on each activation , since there is a cooldown they should make it that you get 2 stacks per hitting a hero , or make it that each activation even if on minions
Nah, it already balance enough. I mean imagine you can get stack from minion, you're basically unkillable even marksman in the late game
@@ItzMaru3586 problem with it is it should have a rework , should be like almost aldous way of stacking , minion less than buff , buff less than hero . They should make the minion gives u 0.25 stack , buff 0.5 , hero 1 . Or minion gives 1 , buffs give 2 , hero gives 4 , and each stack gives 0.5 defence not 1 . Cuz 20 mins games and i barely have 50 stacks , i can simply buy blade armor it gives 90 defence xd
@@ItzMaru3586I do think there should be a way to add stack even if you're not hitting heroes though. Many heroes like Ruby or Paq who could use the extra defense ends up not able to get adequate stacks bcs they're not sturdy enough to farm it from enemy heroes. Maybe make it you get half stack from minion/creep
Naah its fine. Doesnt need any changes.
@@m1stern00by honestly it is kind of weak , needs a little buff , like either make the cooldown 3 secs rather than 4 , or make it that you can get stacks from creeps , or 0.5 stacks from minions . Cuz 20 mins match and barely get 50 stacks which is 50 defense , i can simply buy blade armor 🤷♂️ it gives 90 defense
It's one of many items that doesn't give much but also doesn't hurt to have and use. If only it's easier, faster to stack and gives other attributes such as mana regen or 10% CD and higher defence stat.
Correct me if i'm wrong but the cooldown to stack still activate when you use a skill on a hero and bc it's not a Basic Attack it doesn't count? I hope it's a bug bc if they fix that this item will be more usefull.
I do mainly use this item now on Clint, easy to get stacks in the early and with much luck on the late game, with enough stacks, it can definitely just be your defensive item
It needs a transition item, something like dreadnought armor and the smaller version of rose gold so we can stack earlier. But even then, it's hard to gain stacks unless you're Esmeralda.
The problem with new thunderbelt is they wanted it to make it too much like "grasp of the undying" from league. The thing is while grasp is good since league and wildrift matches takes a long time and more focuses on macro gameplay and than there is mlbb where it's all about the pace and tempo so stacking thunderbelt seems very underwhelming. Also the fact while on League it's an emblem and in mlbb it's a item so that's why thunderbelt sucks. Tbh they probably should've made it permanent hp increase rather than hybrid defense which would've synergized with the enhanced auto passive and made it a tanky offensive item
Well it's not a bad items, you can get around 20-35 stacks in mid to lategame, depending on wheter you're winning or losing your lane. But it's just too risky to farm the stacks, considering the passive is only effective on a melee heroes. This item is only good for the heroes that have decent basic attack range (like Fredrinn and Esme) or a heroes that are strong when they're face to face against the enemies (like Belerick and Edith). This item is good, but the hero pool that can effectively use this item is too limited.
Its right that this should be an early game item to be most effective and is not advised for all heroes. I guess main reason to buy it is not due to Stacking Capability but due to its Passive and MS.
Mostly lane heroes right now can just have a Brown Boot then build one of the MS Items instead like Thunderbelt, Sky Piercer or Windtalker then replace Brown Boots later on with another one of these.
For the Passive, its for the Slow and not for the Damage. Especially when the Hero is an engaging Tanky one like Fredrinn or Arlott which alsi makes it easy to get stacks, you just need to be aware if the Passive is ready.
I think this item is great on extremely bulky and aggressive roamers like Hylos or Belerick (there are more examples but those two benefit the most from it) who want to fight and bully everything that cant easily kill them. They get basically everything from this item. A small bit of additional damage, greater movement speed, some bulk, high hybrid defense later on if you actively engage. I think its actually underrated while being extremely overrated. While you wont be able to get more than 25 stacks in a match it is still quite a lot of defense along with a bunch of other utility the item is able to provide.
Its hard to stack up so i only tried it on mathilda amd hylos, well i got mvp on that semitank mathilda but stacjing up is really stressful because i stay so close most of the time. Hylos used a lot of the slow got mvp as well. Really, but the thing is when youre building it as first item its gonna be a gamble cause youre doomed if they get the upperhand early game
I have be using tb almost on every heroes except mage and mm. And i really like this item if only skills can also give stacks it would be better.
It has it uses and xp laner benefits from it because it can stack rather easily, I use it for some marksman as well, I.e Clint and Karrie. It's a fun item to experiment with not OP and not useless just balanced IMO. Queens Wings and Sky Piercer is what I love to used most, even on mages.
Use it with Ruby. It synergizes really well with both her passive regen and passive defense growth.
I use it on Zhong and man he has been a menace because the new thunderbelt also gives out movement speed which is insane to have paired with Skypiercer that’s basically another free boot! The longer the game goes means the more defence I have so the scaling never ends my games have become much more smoother due to movement outplays.
I found it great on some tanks that can reliably trigger its passive on heroes (Franco after a hook, Lolita after a dash, etc.), but i think it's biggest weakness, a MASSIVE downgrade from the previous version, is the loss of both CDr and Mana Regen stats...
I used it on chou, and trust me, it is so good.
Thunder belt, any boots u like, hunter strike (for early burst and cd reduction), endless battle (for true dmg and cd reduction), bod (for more dmg), immortal/winter/rose gold/malefic roar.
Emblem: Fighter (agility, master assassin, war cry).
Fighter emblem is good to boost your adaptive damage and defense for your thunder belt and endless battle.
While you play for his passive, your thunder belt also get more stack.
The more you aggressive, the more you rewarded, but don't be greedy.
How about Minsi ult? The royal guards might also get thunder belt effect.
Since this is a defensive item, it would be better to change the effect to: gain one stack each time you take damage(4s cooldown).
This is both offense and defense. Not just a defense a item.
Depends. For any hero that have "upgraded" basic atack, it is one of good things. But for any hero that have very small attack range, better just buy another item.
Most of the time, this item make enemy hardly want to be near you since you will become more aggressive for the stack. But a good things is, you can control the game easily with this for the right moments.
Kinda balance for any hero that need hp a lot, or someone that can abuse with skill(considered as basic attack), or upgraded basic attack range (for a certain times) passive. Any taunt skill user also good.
Of course certain hero can become aggressive with defensive item first until certain stack reached like 50~ or maybe more as it is enough to change the game a lot while swap back any other defensive item for attack items
i think it would be more balanced if they lowered 2 seconds the CD to hit one stack, or you leave the same CD, but everytime u hit one minion with it, u get HALF an stack, or even maybe a quarter, the fact is they can play along with it, with both the price and the stack, they can manage a perfect balance
for me (maybe im biased) the item should cost 2000, give you 20 hybrid def and a 4 second passive timing, and should give you half an stack OR a quarter of stack with each passive hitting on a minion or a creep
Minsittar is so good with this item. I use Minsetter as a tank and use corrosion scythe + petrify + emblem talent that slows on basic attack + thunderbelt.
This makes it so enemies in Minsittar’s domain become slow.
Needs: +5 hybrid defense on the base stats
Or: 0.5 stacks from minion activation
Or: passive from 4 to 3 seconds
It's really useful on heroes with spellvamps. I use it on Phoveus he's too tanky now + he still deals decent dmg
Im using it on gatotkaca. He is busted when you build him. The physical defense he got from his passive plus the passive of thunderbelt which his next basic atk deals true damage base on physical defense plus a fully charge passive makes his next atk hits like a truck. He can easily stack the thunderbelt because he is super tanky. Yep this item is almost made just for him haha
If u want to compare whit items like sky piercer sure its sucks. But really im general its actually really good if the correct champs build it. Hylos, belerick and insanily op chip is tood good whit thunderbelt since they have to attack to use the skills so its a must. Kaja sure the passi and all that but its not his main focus but the trio i just mentioned are so godd. Also a lot exp lanner can use it as well .
I use this item on Gatotkaca. He is the easiest one to use this item with since he gains physical defense as his hp gets low so I get higher dmg faster than anyone else. I usually couple it with Radiant Armor since its passive is like Gatot's but for magic defense. With these I can benefit just enough
U play gatot now... 😂 Against sky piercer?
@@fallen4055 well it isn't any better with any other heroes so its no problem
I'll say it's not completely useless but the fact you need stacking by basic attack is very hard especially for the initiator tank/cc tank [except esme/bele/fredd/barats/khufra/edith/thamuz/yz [situational] and other tanks thats have Enhance basic attacks/spam able BA/usin skill but includes as BA and etc]
Very good for aggressive play style, especially on hylos, in late game with proper tank build you can 1vs2 unless it's Dyrotte or Kimmy with new magic item
In 14 minute of match
thunderbelt rush time (3-4 mins no boots).
ie 10 min usage, 10 min = 600 sec divided by 3 sec (downtime of thunderbelt passive),
should give 200 stack a game.
but we have death timer, jungle farm , camping, side push,lord dance (this game 25 stack)
25 * 3 = 75 sec of usage.
this item is okish. if thunderbelt was stackable via skill spam it b better.
When i saw the true dmg scaling with def, barat was the first to come in mind! End game barat usually have 350 phy def and 260 magic def. So definitely an item for him.
Btw, hitting multiple enemies with 1 basic atk grant multiple stacks. And yes 9999 is max stacks. To test in training mode, summon 1 dmg test + 39 normal bots at same place. Keep your hero on auto attack the dmg bot. Also, give the bots 1 blue armor + oracle + 4 healing helmet.
I use it on Alice 1st item with clock as second. A late game menace, but risky play has been made during early game.
Try it on gatot exp with queen wings, oracle, dominance and last item you can use twilight armor or concentrate. Make sure to buy thunderbelt before finishing boots
I miss the slow effect of Thunderbelt and the mana it gives. But yeah, get it early before even your boots to have a better use of it😂 when playing as an MM thunderbelt helps you when there's alot of assassins in the enemies compo.
I use thunderbelt into my lolita, it is my first Item after the boots. I can stack easily because of my first skill and the long dash of the 1st skill. I tried thunder belt in practice mode, I got 9999 stacks wich is the max and it can one hit anything except the lord and turtle. But a hero with twilight armour can't be one shot by thundersbelt 9999 stacks. Twilight armourbis quite OP for burst heroes ngl.
I used this on YZ and Uranus and I've got to admit that it's not as bad as it sounds, you'll only need to build it first against a tanky opponent and you'll have heaps of stacks.
Also you can use the pull yourself together second talent in order to reduce TB's passive cooldown by 40% which allows for easier stacking. 🤫
It's good for some core heroes, but overall there's still some def items that is more good and valuable like queen's wings etc.
Its pretty effective on khufra, his passive allows him to safely get stacks from a distance and since he jumps into people that can also give opportunities to get stacks. But id only recommend thunder belt as a first item if you know u can get away with not buying reliable defense early
This new thunderbelt is so good on fredrin as his first skill 2nd phase long range is consider basic attavk and can stavk the thunder belt passive its so good u dont need to build some defence item on him for enymy instead build some hp item also i build new twilight armor
Even if he is nerf he is still soo good
I use It on magic type roamers like belerick, baxia, gatot, hylos, and khufra cause, except for baxia they have and empowered basic attack and I mixed it with the clock of destiny and it works well if the enemy doesn't have a lot of sustain so I could build it first
Limited 50 stacks but more Def, lose em or part of em if you die?
Hororo Chan, Try thunder Belt Silva a with Clock of Destiny, she's literally a hybrid tank fighter now, while reducing defense(Silvana 2nd can trigger thunder belt)
I think it needs a higher baseline or a lower cd. I hardly ever get it past 20 stacks
Yow it's the best item for gatot and esme tank right now of course im using it
It's only good on sustained tank fighters like esme and gloo, other tanks just can't use this item since they either need to be invisible from the map in order to pull off good ambushes, or they just need better defense items
Hylos too.
Do some simple math, you buy this item as jg Fred first, you can get like 4-5 stacks with each gank/team fight, even more so if the fight ends in a draw and the game pushes onwards. In very long games this item can really stack up high and the true damage is nothing to scoff at either
I see roam layla and clint recently use this with their range and perma poke I guess even with nerf attribute gained they still stack more easily since they poke at disgusting distance
Help! I was wonder if its good to make this my first item in the game by using my mathilda, any opinions?
I've tried this on Paq, Ruby, Xborg, and Cici, and I have to say it's absolute dogshit on them. Some EXP laners like Bane, Fred, or Edith always pops in at least one basic attack in their combo. This item is for them. Kiting/poking types would rather make some distance than waste their time on basic attacks that are not worth the trade.
I think that players are still adapting to the changed stats from the item, it doesn't give CD reduction and mana regen anymore, so it's going to be bad on heroes it was previously good on, and good on heroes you wouldn't build it in before, which have staying power, lack a particular need for CD reduction or mana regen early on.
That's why I don't like this item on Esme, contrary to what everyone's be telling me about. I want at least 35% CD on her and this gets in the way because you gotta build it first to get stacks.
I've been loving it on Hylos, Gatot, and Edith though. 3 heroes that can pair it with the new CoD without sucking for being CD dependent. Hylos is the only one I'm confident using as a Roam, the rest is just Exp material. Oh, minsi did a lot of damage with it, but he wasn't that tanky, maybe I'll tweak the build and see if there's a better balance for him. With those heroes, getting to 30-34 stacks has been possible pretty often, otherwise I just get stuck with like, 22 stacks by the end of the game.
well stacking it is friggin slow even if I build it first, I tried it on mm and fighters that use normal attack frequently but the maximum stack I can get throughout the game is 22 and that would be something I call lucky, but most of the time I only reach 10-14 stacks.
Thunder belt plus blade armor is a good build for me it makes tanks more tanky against mm specially for beleric hylos and chip. Those are the ones i use
I also use thunder belt for assassin roamer as it give pure damage a some additional defense depending on how aggressive you play
You got 26 stacks which is 52 free defense. Also, please don't forget the slow. Even without stacks, the slow adds to the CC that you can provide for the team. I believe it's a pretty good item.
This is best-suited for bruiser tanks though, not those who wait in the bush forever to set. Your goal should be to get out of the bush to hit and zone out enemy. You don't always hit to go for the kill but to get stacks. Every time you hit, they lose a little.
It depends on the hero, if it has a skill + basic attack combo with low cooldown its good.
for me i can easily get 15-20 stacks with lolita with skill 1- basic attack. So its useful.
Ive tried it with other roamers not so effective.
If we get at least 1.2 or 1.3 stacks per hit,
That way, this item will reach its true potential,
With what we have, and comsidering the meta,
Even 30 stacks is like impossible, moreover that 4secs cooldown make it even hard to stack
its good with range support bcs no downside. its actually a good item ngl. i played nata tank using this as first item and even haya cant kill me solo. for me the worst item is skypiercer. cant even make any outplay at all. this item should have cooldown. even immortality is useless against this.
I mean if people won't understand how it works i mean yeah it's a useless item to pick up at late game but do remember that the only thing it needs to stack is Basic attack so at early this whole thing is weak but the more you stay longer in the game the more it gets worse for enemies since slowly and slowly you turn yourself into an unkillable tank (if im correct at around 5 minutes you already have at least 15+ hybrid def if you use it in someone like edith or maybe even Badang since his 1st skill does count as basic attack)
the bad thing about the stack is that you need to gather enemies to trigger multiple stack at one time, which makes only 10% or so of the times you trigger it actually able to get multiple stack unless you're using hero with peculiar CC like badang that have easier time gathering enemies in one close area.
As YZ main, this item *chefkiss 👌🏻
bro same i thought i would get more stacks cause it only has 4 sec cd, but like the fights dont last long, and its kinda hard to just basic attack someone, like its kinda not worth it...
Additional slow for Uranus to use. This makes MMs use their flicker once I get close to them.
I use it on fighters such as paquito, alucard, yz. idk it works for me
They should just double the stacking effect or raise it to 1.5 each trigger