Several years ago I asked a specific Linux-related question in anime chat by mistake. Funny thing is - I was given a solution within a minute. So there really is a strange correlation between Linux and anime wallpapers.
Funny that people don't see Linux as a gaming OS even after Valve has put so much work into making it one. The only issue is lack of support for most anti-cheat programs... Which I see as an upside as anti-cheat is just a glorified rootkit, and games with anti-cheat tend to be boring corporate slop anyway.
virgin windows: "also, you need to pay 99$ and get ads, spyware and blotware anyway, and you are unable to make any significant change" Chad linux: "oh, you want to remove the bootloader? Go ahead!"
well if that's the case the fact it's open source will make it easy for the community to find. vs Mac or Windows where they already have backdoors and there is nothing you can do about it. (Though Mac does have partial wins in the user security space, it's likely a side-effect of their general anti user, anti repair attitude)
It's more like Linux got slower because of an attempt to make it faster. Then someone fixed the attempt, resulting in it overall being faster than before. So it's not even technically faster, it's just faster.
People might shit on AI, but unironically what has made me switch to linux is the glowie AI Gemini. That thing is actually really good at fixing noob problems people might have with linux, especially the likes of ubuntu. To me #1 issue with Linux has always been the lack of clear, objective documentation outside of the likes of Arch, that has its own bumps to overcome for a noob. No need to scour ancient reddit threads and whatnot, when you can just have a bot to spoon feed you noob solutions.
As someone who is using linux for 6 months,Just use AI tools like chatgpt or co pilot.That will help your first linux journey alot.Everything you find on Google is like 6 or 7 years old tutorials or unhelpful community.
@@Michael_Jackson187 Yeah, that's the theme with Linux. It's braindead easy 99% of the time until you hit the 1% and get some vague access denied error or something about as vague that could be caused by thousand things. Sure, such a gigachad genius as yourself could figure it out in 45seconds flat, but a noob will whip out a Windows installation USB stick in 30 seconds.
Disses Arch users, masterfully explains how the performance increase is not exactly what we think, refuses to elaborate further. Truly a based mental outlaw video
We're just a meme of basically a try hard noob trying to look cool on the internet. Arch is a perfectly well respected and valid distro though, there are few other choices a hardcore Linux user might actually want to use such as gentoo or void.
they are rights, dark table is not a full lightroom replacement, light room is an integration util for photoshop and other workflows, that also does cataloging and print services, i'm not sure that dark table actually does print servicing, but it does cataloguing, which is what most people use lightroom for.
@@UltraPatate for what it does, it's amazing. for bulk processing, cataloging (importing) and just about that, it does everything most people need when they come in from a trip, vaca or photography outing.
@@dkosmariDid you watch the vídeo? no they made an actual fix resulting in being faster than before the first fuckup, however its only for specific cases and hardwares.
2:10 your cpu is in fact super important, especially in 1080p, running high refresh rate monitor and the Cache is massive for performance. That's why Amd x3D processors are so good
The 9800X3D is apparently so good even compared to its predecessor that it sold out not long after launching. Finally a Zen 5 chip actually worth the price tag, though I'm pretty happy with my 7900 GRE/7700X combo right now.
Yes, but that's mostly the cache size and not raw computing power. While this performance boost seems to be mostly for highly parallel workloads, so basically the opposite of the average game.
@@utarefson9 eSports players focus on using as much CPU as possible by turning off every stupid and USELESS graphical effects because it fucks frame times, input latency, 1% lows. 1080p and 2k are the most used for multiple reasons, performance and high refresh rate. 4k makes sense in larger screen like TVs. Why would I use 4k in a 24''/27 monitor? To fuck my performance? 2k 240hz it's a BEAUTY and you can ACTUALLY get 240hz in 2k, not the case with 4k most likely
I was in the same boat and I'd highly encourage you to just make the jump now. I haven't looked back since I found a solution. I have a dual boot setup for the rare times I need to play a game or use a program that won't work in linux. My setup includes another hard drive that allows me to share between the OS's so it is absolutely painless to switch between them. For example, when Starfield came out I checked ProtonDB for compatibility with my distro, downloaded it to Linux, found out it wouldn't work on my specific CPU+GPU combo due to developer optimization issues, switched over to Windows, and played it on there until the devs fixed it. If you're not willing/able to use that setup then I'd suggest downloading VirtualBox/VmWare, installing a distro on a VM, and try using that as your daily driver for everything except gaming.
@@Glooomyythere are quite cool online editors like Pixlr, isn’t that something you wanted? Plus, I heard there’s a huge update Gimp 3.0 landed recently, which seems to make the program less of nerdy linux guy’s tool and closer to photoshop in terms of user experience (though I personally haven’t tried it yet)
I'm waiting for full compatibility with Windows software and drivers, because there's no alternatives on Linux that are in the same level as the ones on Windows. On Linux the vast majority of them let a lot to be desired in so many ways and for some categories there is not an alternative. I highly doubt this will happen any time soon tho.
Well, if you are running 28 cores, and it is AMD and you are using a specific workflow with specific apps doing a specific kind of job this is a windfall for you. Otherwise, your performance increase and time saving over the lifetime of your system will amount to the amount of time you could have saved by not reading my reply.
This thing is fixing a performance regression, and phoronix makes it look like Linux got faster... Ah phoronix... Linux got faster because Linux got slower, so Linux got faster! Yes technically it did :D
Linux is already lightweight and fast. The fact that Intel hasn't yet gotten their GPU drivers to work properly is a different issue. Even Windows has seen a huge improvement of performance of like 600% on Intel's GPUs after a certain driver update.
"A performance drop of 600%". Factually wrong. They should have written "a performance drop of 83,33%", as 83,33% = 100% - 16,67% = 1 - 1 / 6. A performance drop of 100% would already mean it's not even running.
How do you even start explaining memory mapping, MMU, TLB, etc, to people that don't already know it? He'd need at least an hour-long video for that. The details are meant for computer scientists and engineers with generic hardware and OS knowledge. But I think even the lay people understood, the initial brag was about improving performance in a single benchmark, when it actually hurt performance in real world applications (jpeg conversion and compiler usage.)
The tone of this video went from 'explain it to me like I understand linux' to 'explain it to me like I don't know the difference between a server and a gaming rig' to 'explain it to me like I understand the memory allocation of linux distros and how it's changed over kernel iterations'. I think you could just drop the explanation of 'gaming rigs = less cores more fast go', because most people watching probably already understand that. No real complaint, just an observation. Thanks for the content!
Yeah, this video is a rollercoaster. The gaming rig explanation had actual merit, but did not explicitly state the implication; Linux kernel devs, in general, optimize for multi-socket, massive core count systems because that's where bottlenecks actually are - there are a lot of places where the kernel has to do "for_each_cpu" - more cores = more time the program has to spend executing kernel code. Same with memory allocations and migrations on NUMA systems (more aligned with the topic of the video) - these are the issues that will-it-scale benchmarks reveal. Our measly 8-core 16-thread gaming rigs just do not benefit from these optimizations, or their benefits are minuscule in comparison to what the Xeon/Epyc systems gain.
Once suppprt for Windows 10 IoT LTSC Enterprise is dropped im making the move to Linux no matter the headaches it will cause. Currently the only thing holding me back is a bunch of proprietary closed-source software that doesnt play nice with Linux, that has no open-source alternative. Praying that in the coming years WINE will be good enough to overcome these issues
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We linux users don't care about 40x ... we care about cleanliness of code and bugfree system. When something hacky that pushes system to an edge that comes with a catch. Usually that catch is that the code is unreadable or only works for very specific use cases.
@@bacalhau_secoI just bought an old and 'basic' Lenovo workstation with 64 gigs of ram and dual 6-core CPUs for a little under 100 dollars. Those things are BEASTS for productivity even though they're a decade old at this point
@@bacalhau_seco 200 euros for a frankenstein-like build which will probably feature a poorly manufactured motherboard. consider building your own server instead
Reminds me of when benchmark suites would be compiled with compilers tuned to optimize the performance test code down to a no-op -> "Start clock. No-op. stop clock."
To whomever complained about that performance drop, there is only 100% in any given thing at most. So something can not "drop by 600%". That would mean you are now left with -500%. Which is not a thing in this context.
Come on, you understand what it meant, you can't expect journalists to be precise, not even the tech ones. The runtime increased by 600%. Or maybe it increased to 600%. People that don't know math, might think it's the same as "performance dropped by 600%." Now, it would be funny if it actually started undoing computations, 5x faster than it can do them.
@@dkosmari I do not know what exactly he meant. Now I have to guess. It maybe be guessable but it is still a stupid and incorrect way of putting it making me now having to put in extra effort to try and understand what they mean by that. Besides that, this type of thing is so basic, people get precentages in elementary school...
@@dkosmariThe thing that drives me the most crazy is when journalists would complain that Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion dollars. They're citing a right-wing think tank that showed 32 trillion dollars over 10 years.... Which was 4 trillion less than the same study said we were going to pay under our current system over the same time. And yet one reason Biden was able to beat Sanders in 2016 was because journalists kept amplifying this 32 trillion dollar number without even mentioning that it was over a 10-year period and was less expensive than our private health care system. So if they're not going to get something like you know health care right then obviously they're not going to get gaming right.
I've changed the kernel, drivers, and various apps many times in the past. Mostly as stop gaps while I wait for fixes, but sometimes they stay for a while. That's the best part of Linux, to me.
Nice video, but I don’t get two points: 1. Why should there (in general) be less impact with a gaming setup then a server system? A X% improvement is also X% on slower systems. 2. Why should no normal user benefit from this patch? Darktable user are impacted by the problem which was introduced and the benchmarks from the beginning were also problematic for end user systems. Is there a big benchmark for this conclusion?
Gaming uses less threads and this seems to mainly effect thread usage. Same thing for servers using more simultaneous threads. This was also explained partially in the video. In short, software limitations
*Me who uses Arch, doesn't have an anime wallpaper (let alone watch anime), or use a tiling window manager* You will be hearing from my lawyer for this slander!
Any speed improvement is a good improvement as long as it does not impact the system negatively and the apps works correctly when loaded in and used, so I see no problem with this. If some applications have problems with the new update then maybe they have to patch their application to adapt to the new update?
No, dude, a 39x performance increase. INCREASE, not result. Increased BY, not TO. People get this wrong ALL the time with their equating of "3x faster" with "3x as fast" and you evolved the problem here by outright ignoring what the news headline says.
a faster kernel can make applications run faster, the bugfix done makes the kernel faster in thp, which helps performance of certain applications in certain systems
Small note: there is *someone* reading those microsoft bug reports, one of them gave a talk at defcon, he was digging around in the crash bins looking at cases where only a handful of a certain bug had been reported rather than the usual 100's of thousands, and found the origins of Cornflicker Its not a bad talk actually, surprised microsoft actually have people hunting through these things
Linux Kernel 6.12 also has improvements for the SH4 arch and SEGA Dreamcast board/mach (GAPS G2 to PCI bridge), and I'm more excited for that than anything they're doing for Shintel.
haha gentoo go brrrr I've been messing around with Gentoo on my PowerPC PowerBook G4 and it's been interesting. some of the documentation is god awful and is copied directly from the x86 page (eg. PowerPC doesn't use EFI or BIOS lolwut)
ur right that no one's going to read someone's bug report at MS. If i report a bug at a FOSS dev team, they will patch the buh within minutes/hours since they care about the FOSS project. if i report a bug at the company's dev team (report bug thread or something) i get an automated reply, and an employee maybe reads the bug report and just carries on forgetting about the report, since all the employees do a rush job and only do what they have to do.
Let's be clear about one thing: Most patches are bug fixes to security issues. Those include extra checks that require more processing and *slow down your system* , not speed it up. And this patchs is an exception, and only applies to a very small memory allocation relation issue. It is not going to make your computer 4000% faster.
600% performance drop? So it lead to negative work being done? If it takes six times as long, then that would be an 83.3% (5/6) performance drop, not 600%. And if it takes six times as long, then it's a 500% time increase (because the end result of 600% is the original time + the increase). It's the same thing with fractions; why is it so fucking hard to understand that "four times lower" is not an accurate way of saying a quarter? It doesn't even make sense.
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Phoronix clickbait at its best. The title should not include intel or it should state that intel found a performance problem in the kernel, instead of misleading that only Intel got improvement. Multi socket Epycs also benefit :D But the point it that this doesn't improve performance by that much, since it mosly fixes a performance regression.
I have been saying THP needs to be default for years. You should be able to dynamically change page sizes up to 1gb. This alone is massive for videogames.
as a regular desktop user, i want my primary thing - web browsing (learning web dev, including watching youtube) be faster. or fast. or even just dont freeze. on my intel n100 nettop it almost not possible to watch youtube, while on win 11 is almost as fast as my powerful tower (talking about youtube, of course old phones also more capable compare to) yeap, it not an issue in linux itself, but in browser's developers, they dont want to implement hardware acceleration. i dont understand why it not discussed almost anywhere, and only about gaming. Only articles and manuals that depends on many factors and many dont work.
@@gar1256 OpenSuse for a newcomer? Why? xD Why not go with Mint which is very user friendly and looks like Windows/Mac hybrid (I'm talking about Cinnamon DE and their custom applications and settings).
"At least after they finish showing you a screenshot of their tiling window manager and anime wallpaper" That is the truest sentence about Arch users I ever heard.
i agree, wish it was 40 times OOBE like windows install....but in linux nothing is ready to use for desktop...hard part is waiting eternity for something . Feels like linux users are beta testers
If you want to improve the credibility of f/oss, how about addressing the ever growing onslaught of supply chain attacks in foss libraries and repositories and packages? Right now nobody has an answer, and with every passing day, my risk of using package x increases. On the other hand, it's a renaissance for notinventedhere :/
Minor correction: using Windows is like trying to get a Chevy V8 to do everything. In fairness, a Chevy V8 can do everything, it's just not good at everything.
Answer: no, it didn't. Improving performance of a function by 40x is irrelevant unless that function is a hot path and other processes are constantly waiting on it. Imagine the kernel as a list of subsequent algorithms that gets run every second (it's not the case, but it's just for sake of argument). Out of 1000 millisecond if something takens 10 milliesconds and you make an update that makes that part take 1 millisecond, yes that part got x10 faster, but the whole kernel only got 0.9% faster.
MMOs (FFXIV, Star citizen, etc.) will probably see a big boost, since they have the biggest problem with being CPU-bound due to physics and entity calculations. Similarly, if you're in Minecraft, and have a system that requires a lot of entity rendering, it requires more CPU Power, than graphics.
Linux caters to server hardware and enterprise use cases and won't degrade performance in those areas for the benefit of gaming or consumer hardware. I think that's the lesson here.
Neat now I can find anime wallpapers 2ms faster!
Way too relatable.
This comment just might be a confirmation of the 4000 %, as Arch users tend to have very optimized repetitive tasks.
Now google can load their ads even faster!
Several years ago I asked a specific Linux-related question in anime chat by mistake. Funny thing is - I was given a solution within a minute.
So there really is a strange correlation between Linux and anime wallpapers.
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Funny that people don't see Linux as a gaming OS even after Valve has put so much work into making it one. The only issue is lack of support for most anti-cheat programs... Which I see as an upside as anti-cheat is just a glorified rootkit, and games with anti-cheat tend to be boring corporate slop anyway.
the anti-cheats also tend to not work...
*for some anti-cheat programs.
In fact most anti-cheats work just fine on Linux. Its only a few that cause trouble. Source: protondb
my steam deck uses arch btw
@@cadturt9295 "It's called Easy Anti-Cheat because how easy it is to cheat!" - Some Rust content creator I forgor who.
@@abcdef-vk7si why not gentoo??
ADHD version: No, Linux did not get 40x faster. The end.
Thx a lot!
thx bro
man you're a lifesaver
9:33 to be exact.
Bro, skibidi sigma edge!
Virgin Microsoft Windows: "NO!! YOU CAN'T LOOK AT OUR SOURCE CODE!! IT'S MINE!!"
Chad Linux: "Bro, check out our kernel."
virgin windows: "also, you need to pay 99$ and get ads, spyware and blotware anyway, and you are unable to make any significant change"
Chad linux: "oh, you want to remove the bootloader? Go ahead!"
"Bro, check out our kernel." - some old guy at the park wearing a trench coat
This is literally Linus during the release of Linux
This comment has weird virgin vibes...
But true
Linux being a chad nudist rocking a six-pack and healthy penis is a character arc of the century
Breaking News: Gigantic performance boost commit turns out to be an NSA backdoor
Faster machine = faster exfiltration attack ;P
Ah yes, changing heuristic for Transparent Hugepages = NSA backdoor. /s
@@fuzzyquils its possible.
well if that's the case the fact it's open source will make it easy for the community to find.
vs Mac or Windows where they already have backdoors and there is nothing you can do about it.
(Though Mac does have partial wins in the user security space, it's likely a side-effect of their general anti user, anti repair attitude)
plot twist: before, it was actually a backdoor (like xz slowdown XD)
and now someone removed this backdoor thus giving the performance boost xD
Linux got faster because Linux got slower before that! But it got faster! Yes, technically yes.
It's more like Linux got slower because of an attempt to make it faster.
Then someone fixed the attempt, resulting in it overall being faster than before.
So it's not even technically faster, it's just faster.
But it was already faster than windows , now it's even more faster 😂
People might shit on AI, but unironically what has made me switch to linux is the glowie AI Gemini. That thing is actually really good at fixing noob problems people might have with linux, especially the likes of ubuntu. To me #1 issue with Linux has always been the lack of clear, objective documentation outside of the likes of Arch, that has its own bumps to overcome for a noob. No need to scour ancient reddit threads and whatnot, when you can just have a bot to spoon feed you noob solutions.
lol i just made a video on that, spent all day searching old reddit threads for documentation to add to the gentoo wiki
sure, but you wouldn't need that google AI if google hadn't intentionally tanked google's search quality in order to force you over to AI
You dont need documentation on ubuntu its fucking brain dead easy to get started, plus there are plenty of youtube videos on it.
As someone who is using linux for 6 months,Just use AI tools like chatgpt or co pilot.That will help your first linux journey alot.Everything you find on Google is like 6 or 7 years old tutorials or unhelpful community.
@@Michael_Jackson187 Yeah, that's the theme with Linux. It's braindead easy 99% of the time until you hit the 1% and get some vague access denied error or something about as vague that could be caused by thousand things. Sure, such a gigachad genius as yourself could figure it out in 45seconds flat, but a noob will whip out a Windows installation USB stick in 30 seconds.
windows biting the curb 2025
I’m gonna bite your curb 😊
It's unlikely that Linux's market share is gonna increase any more than 1% due to Windows 10 EOL
@@WallyWachell 🤨
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@@under6075true. Hopefully Linux gaming becomes more compatible.
Yall actually need to watch the vid before commenting.
None of the comments have anything to do with the video what are you talking about
No
The entire video is almost 11 minutes long and this was just uploaded 5 minutes ago.
😂indeed @@SeymourButts-yg3gy
why are you pretending that people dont watch videos at 1.5 - 2x speed?
Disses Arch users, masterfully explains how the performance increase is not exactly what we think, refuses to elaborate further.
Truly a based mental outlaw video
I just installed Arch, and now Mental Outlaw disses me.. What's wrong with Arch users?
We're just a meme of basically a try hard noob trying to look cool on the internet. Arch is a perfectly well respected and valid distro though, there are few other choices a hardcore Linux user might actually want to use such as gentoo or void.
@@aibrainlet8041I can't not read that in the Restoration Master's voice from Skyrim.
I felt that hat tipping to tiling window managers. Except for the anime wallpaper. I always fetch by script Nasa picture of the day
@@stigcc As an arch user, it's the elitists that are the issue.
they are rights, dark table is not a full lightroom replacement, light room is an integration util for photoshop and other workflows, that also does cataloging and print services, i'm not sure that dark table actually does print servicing, but it does cataloguing, which is what most people use lightroom for.
Thanks for that clarification
Dark table is a shit program, unusable by normal people
@@UltraPatate my mother does use darktable... and hes not smart at all... but sure, say whatever you want
@@ciszaiogien Your mother is a he?
@@UltraPatate for what it does, it's amazing. for bulk processing, cataloging (importing) and just about that, it does everything most people need when they come in from a trip, vaca or photography outing.
It's a shame that the fix won't benefit casual users but it's awesome that it was fixed. I'm happy I recently switched from Windows to Linux.
Didn't they fix it by just rolling back the bad commit?
@@dkosmariDid you watch the vídeo? no they made an actual fix resulting in being faster than before the first fuckup, however its only for specific cases and hardwares.
Ah, yes, the 4000% increase after the 600% decrease. Classic what sales won't tell you.
Its still a net gain, personally, I don't see the problem
@@AraiDigital Congratulations, you can do math, but that wasn't my point.
i mean if we're going there the actual increase was 3888.9% so whats ur point
@@lLenn2 That is not how math works.
A 600% decrease would yield 0 performance right?
2:10 your cpu is in fact super important, especially in 1080p, running high refresh rate monitor and the Cache is massive for performance. That's why Amd x3D processors are so good
The 9800X3D is apparently so good even compared to its predecessor that it sold out not long after launching. Finally a Zen 5 chip actually worth the price tag, though I'm pretty happy with my 7900 GRE/7700X combo right now.
GPU is not important for 1080p anymore since it's an ancient resolution all GPUs can handle in their sleep. Naturally, CPUs become the next bottleneck
Yes, but that's mostly the cache size and not raw computing power. While this performance boost seems to be mostly for highly parallel workloads, so basically the opposite of the average game.
@@utarefson9 eSports players focus on using as much CPU as possible by turning off every stupid and USELESS graphical effects because it fucks frame times, input latency, 1% lows.
1080p and 2k are the most used for multiple reasons, performance and high refresh rate. 4k makes sense in larger screen like TVs. Why would I use 4k in a 24''/27 monitor? To fuck my performance?
2k 240hz it's a BEAUTY and you can ACTUALLY get 240hz in 2k, not the case with 4k most likely
>Ancient Resolution @@utarefson9
What universe are you living in lol
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Humans got 40x slower.
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ngl, every day i get closer to thinking about going from windows to linux, just waiting for more games to work specifically on linux
I was in the same boat and I'd highly encourage you to just make the jump now. I haven't looked back since I found a solution.
I have a dual boot setup for the rare times I need to play a game or use a program that won't work in linux. My setup includes another hard drive that allows me to share between the OS's so it is absolutely painless to switch between them. For example, when Starfield came out I checked ProtonDB for compatibility with my distro, downloaded it to Linux, found out it wouldn't work on my specific CPU+GPU combo due to developer optimization issues, switched over to Windows, and played it on there until the devs fixed it.
If you're not willing/able to use that setup then I'd suggest downloading VirtualBox/VmWare, installing a distro on a VM, and try using that as your daily driver for everything except gaming.
For me, I'm waiting for more art/graphic programs to work on it. The moment it does, I'm leaving windows entirely lol.
@@Glooomyythere are quite cool online editors like Pixlr, isn’t that something you wanted? Plus, I heard there’s a huge update Gimp 3.0 landed recently, which seems to make the program less of nerdy linux guy’s tool and closer to photoshop in terms of user experience (though I personally haven’t tried it yet)
I'm waiting for full compatibility with Windows software and drivers, because there's no alternatives on Linux that are in the same level as the ones on Windows. On Linux the vast majority of them let a lot to be desired in so many ways and for some categories there is not an alternative. I highly doubt this will happen any time soon tho.
How are you tracking compatability? Proton dot db?
"OpenSUSIE" instead of OpenSUSE is crazy.
i noticed, i was like WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?
poor susie
He litteraly said it at the moment i was reading your comment 🤣
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OK, TLDW. I know 4000% is a nonsense; What's the ACTUAL speed increase I can expect for my Linux PC?
5-10% at best. 25-50% if you have a suitable workload, which is unlikely.
Most likely its going to be negligible, but there is a *chance* it's not.
Well, if you are running 28 cores, and it is AMD and you are using a specific workflow with specific apps doing a specific kind of job this is a windfall for you. Otherwise, your performance increase and time saving over the lifetime of your system will amount to the amount of time you could have saved by not reading my reply.
@@OceanusHeliosyou just wasted all the time I saved 😡
Between - 600% and + 400000%
Don’t expect much
And I was thinking Linux was lightweight and fast already!
This thing is fixing a performance regression, and phoronix makes it look like Linux got faster...
Ah phoronix... Linux got faster because Linux got slower, so Linux got faster! Yes technically it did :D
like wearing nothing at all... stupid sexy linux
@@marsovac That's a glass-half-empty take.
Linux was already faster with the regression thanks to optimization elsewhere, this is nothing but a boost.
Linux has never been lightweight. But then again, what are you comparing it to? Windows? Your mom?
Linux is already lightweight and fast. The fact that Intel hasn't yet gotten their GPU drivers to work properly is a different issue. Even Windows has seen a huge improvement of performance of like 600% on Intel's GPUs after a certain driver update.
"A performance drop of 600%". Factually wrong. They should have written "a performance drop of 83,33%", as 83,33% = 100% - 16,67% = 1 - 1 / 6.
A performance drop of 100% would already mean it's not even running.
When explaining stuff about memory, diagramms and animations are always helpful for understanding.
How do you even start explaining memory mapping, MMU, TLB, etc, to people that don't already know it? He'd need at least an hour-long video for that. The details are meant for computer scientists and engineers with generic hardware and OS knowledge. But I think even the lay people understood, the initial brag was about improving performance in a single benchmark, when it actually hurt performance in real world applications (jpeg conversion and compiler usage.)
the next Hannah Montana linux update bouta go crazy
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@@cool-person1161thanks
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The tone of this video went from 'explain it to me like I understand linux' to 'explain it to me like I don't know the difference between a server and a gaming rig' to 'explain it to me like I understand the memory allocation of linux distros and how it's changed over kernel iterations'.
I think you could just drop the explanation of 'gaming rigs = less cores more fast go', because most people watching probably already understand that. No real complaint, just an observation. Thanks for the content!
it's just one of main key points of the video
Yeah, this video is a rollercoaster.
The gaming rig explanation had actual merit, but did not explicitly state the implication; Linux kernel devs, in general, optimize for multi-socket, massive core count systems because that's where bottlenecks actually are - there are a lot of places where the kernel has to do "for_each_cpu" - more cores = more time the program has to spend executing kernel code. Same with memory allocations and migrations on NUMA systems (more aligned with the topic of the video) - these are the issues that will-it-scale benchmarks reveal.
Our measly 8-core 16-thread gaming rigs just do not benefit from these optimizations, or their benefits are minuscule in comparison to what the Xeon/Epyc systems gain.
Gots to pad that time to get the mid vid ad cheddar!
Once suppprt for Windows 10 IoT LTSC Enterprise is dropped im making the move to Linux no matter the headaches it will cause. Currently the only thing holding me back is a bunch of proprietary closed-source software that doesnt play nice with Linux, that has no open-source alternative. Praying that in the coming years WINE will be good enough to overcome these issues
Don't pray, contact Codeweavers and PAY. (Tell them I sent you. So they'll go..."who!?" 😂)
thats around 2032 and you can guarantee linux is as reliable as windows, at least i hope so
I just ditched all that software and learned things the Linux way. you're only going to hold yourself back by trying to make Linux run Windows apps.
I've always had better luck using open source alternatives compared to emulating stuff with wine.
@@LordTrashcanRulezWINE is short for "Wine is not an emulator" and for a reason.
how are you able to pump out technical videos soo fast, am impressed tbh, please shed light on this. Thanks.
Step 1: Find am article talking about a subject
Step 2: Paraphrase said article and sprinkle in a few meme phrases.
Step 3: Record your narration, add in stock footage and some screenshots.
@@CarrotConsumer Most time spent in finding penguins and anime wallpaper
3:45 open sussy
This sounds like a message a gay indian would send to a blonde white boy.
1:00 More tiling window managers and anime wallpapers please!
We linux users don't care about 40x ... we care about cleanliness of code and bugfree system. When something hacky that pushes system to an edge that comes with a catch. Usually that catch is that the code is unreadable or only works for very specific use cases.
How are the chickens mr. Outlaw??
The penguins are back by the looks of it.
They were tasty.
"Your graphics card is what matters the most in video games"
Says this while showing Minecraft in background
Luckily most games aren't chained to the JavaVM.
2 years ago I sold my chinese dual xeon rigs that I used to mine XMR(
Really would like to know if this patch increases hashrate on those systems
oh baby
buy another one its like 200€ for a dual CPU 64GB system
@@bacalhau_secoI just bought an old and 'basic' Lenovo workstation with 64 gigs of ram and dual 6-core CPUs for a little under 100 dollars. Those things are BEASTS for productivity even though they're a decade old at this point
@@bacalhau_seco no, I switched to mine on ryzens
@@bacalhau_seco 200 euros for a frankenstein-like build which will probably feature a poorly manufactured motherboard. consider building your own server instead
Reminds me of when benchmark suites would be compiled with compilers tuned to optimize the performance test code down to a no-op -> "Start clock. No-op. stop clock."
To whomever complained about that performance drop, there is only 100% in any given thing at most. So something can not "drop by 600%". That would mean you are now left with -500%. Which is not a thing in this context.
Come on, you understand what it meant, you can't expect journalists to be precise, not even the tech ones. The runtime increased by 600%. Or maybe it increased to 600%. People that don't know math, might think it's the same as "performance dropped by 600%."
Now, it would be funny if it actually started undoing computations, 5x faster than it can do them.
@@dkosmari "undoing computations, 5x faster than it can do them"
Finally, we found a way to make every algorithm 100% reversible. Or rather 500% lol
@@dkosmari I do not know what exactly he meant. Now I have to guess. It maybe be guessable but it is still a stupid and incorrect way of putting it making me now having to put in extra effort to try and understand what they mean by that. Besides that, this type of thing is so basic, people get precentages in elementary school...
@@dkosmariThe thing that drives me the most crazy is when journalists would complain that Medicare for all would cost 32 trillion dollars. They're citing a right-wing think tank that showed 32 trillion dollars over 10 years.... Which was 4 trillion less than the same study said we were going to pay under our current system over the same time. And yet one reason Biden was able to beat Sanders in 2016 was because journalists kept amplifying this 32 trillion dollar number without even mentioning that it was over a 10-year period and was less expensive than our private health care system.
So if they're not going to get something like you know health care right then obviously they're not going to get gaming right.
I've changed the kernel, drivers, and various apps many times in the past. Mostly as stop gaps while I wait for fixes, but sometimes they stay for a while. That's the best part of Linux, to me.
Nice video, but I don’t get two points:
1. Why should there (in general) be less impact with a gaming setup then a server system? A X% improvement is also X% on slower systems.
2. Why should no normal user benefit from this patch? Darktable user are impacted by the problem which was introduced and the benchmarks from the beginning were also problematic for end user systems.
Is there a big benchmark for this conclusion?
Gaming uses less threads and this seems to mainly effect thread usage. Same thing for servers using more simultaneous threads. This was also explained partially in the video. In short, software limitations
I have no idea what you’re talking about. But those wallpapers are cool.
algorithm. Cool news. Been forgetting to mention I love the analogies you drop in your explanations.
Dwarf Fortress benchmarks when?
don't even remember how did I land to this channel and when exactly but I like it
this is huge for scrapper chads
Ricers.. start your engines
*Me who uses Arch, doesn't have an anime wallpaper (let alone watch anime), or use a tiling window manager* You will be hearing from my lawyer for this slander!
Same. I use KDE and an ultrakill wallpaper lmao
Hope valve takes advantage of this
next steamdeck launches with four socket SPR CPU (224 threads, 192GB DDR5) 😱😱😱😱😱
@@zuckdaddy1596real 😢
@@zuckdaddy1596 steamdeck: burns in your hands edition
So they just fixed a performance regression that was introduced in 6.10? Title is clickbait
How is it clickbait? It's debunking the clickbait.
3400% INCREASE!!! (NET GAIN)
If you're sitting there in your Windows car it is actually Microsoft that'll be carjacking you.
Video starts at 9:21
imagine how many stuff inside linux can be faster
Any speed improvement is a good improvement as long as it does not impact the system negatively and the apps works correctly when loaded in and used, so I see no problem with this. If some applications have problems with the new update then maybe they have to patch their application to adapt to the new update?
Does this mean I can run Qubes on 4 Gigs of ram now?
Nope xD
No, dude, a 39x performance increase. INCREASE, not result. Increased BY, not TO. People get this wrong ALL the time with their equating of "3x faster" with "3x as fast" and you evolved the problem here by outright ignoring what the news headline says.
this is the kernel, not the applications running under it
How does that not effect the Applications though?
I'm pretty sure it's still gonna affect performance substantially since it's the kernel that we're talking about.
a faster kernel can make applications run faster, the bugfix done makes the kernel faster in thp, which helps performance of certain applications in certain systems
@@danielbaker1248 applications can tell the cpu to copy memory. The cpu will not copy memory slower because of the kernel
But the kernel interacts with the hardware that is running said applications, better the hardware can perform the better the applications can perform.
Small note: there is *someone* reading those microsoft bug reports, one of them gave a talk at defcon, he was digging around in the crash bins looking at cases where only a handful of a certain bug had been reported rather than the usual 100's of thousands, and found the origins of Cornflicker
Its not a bad talk actually, surprised microsoft actually have people hunting through these things
Linux Kernel 6.12 also has improvements for the SH4 arch and SEGA Dreamcast board/mach (GAPS G2 to PCI bridge), and I'm more excited for that than anything they're doing for Shintel.
wait there are real sh-4 machines out there still running?
haha gentoo go brrrr
I've been messing around with Gentoo on my PowerPC PowerBook G4 and it's been interesting. some of the documentation is god awful and is copied directly from the x86 page (eg. PowerPC doesn't use EFI or BIOS lolwut)
TIL People are trying to run Linux on the Dreamcast.
@@fuzzyquils No, have succeeded. It works, and has had mainline kernel support for 24 years, just build it with Dreamcast Environment Variables.
@@cal2127 The SH-4 is still being manufactured.
ur right that no one's going to read someone's bug report at MS. If i report a bug at a FOSS dev team, they will patch the buh within minutes/hours since they care about the FOSS project. if i report a bug at the company's dev team (report bug thread or something) i get an automated reply, and an employee maybe reads the bug report and just carries on forgetting about the report, since all the employees do a rush job and only do what they have to do.
I don't know. Dit it?
no
Let's be clear about one thing: Most patches are bug fixes to security issues. Those include extra checks that require more processing and *slow down your system* , not speed it up. And this patchs is an exception, and only applies to a very small memory allocation relation issue. It is not going to make your computer 4000% faster.
Sounds like a nothing burger 🍔
I have a 28-thread CPU with 64GB of RAM and I do huge coding projects and emulation. This will definitely help me.
We need a linux antitrust lawsuit. This isn’t fair on windows.
... This was a joke, right? I see Microsoft fans unironically say things like this all the time, so clarification would be nice.
@@BuckyDStickman use your context skills you learned in 3rd grade lil bro 😭😭😭😭
@@cartanfan-youtubeLinux users lack a sense of humor
@@desupernoodle not all but there are always people who only understand things being told explicity
@@desupernoodle many such cases unfortunately 😔
600% performance drop? So it lead to negative work being done? If it takes six times as long, then that would be an 83.3% (5/6) performance drop, not 600%. And if it takes six times as long, then it's a 500% time increase (because the end result of 600% is the original time + the increase).
It's the same thing with fractions; why is it so fucking hard to understand that "four times lower" is not an accurate way of saying a quarter? It doesn't even make sense.
Linux running a train
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What do you mean.. lol.. It was a quick AI search
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Phoronix clickbait at its best. The title should not include intel or it should state that intel found a performance problem in the kernel, instead of misleading that only Intel got improvement. Multi socket Epycs also benefit :D
But the point it that this doesn't improve performance by that much, since it mosly fixes a performance regression.
Can someone explain to me how ONE single line of code makes linux faster?
1:27 that's really cool live wallpaper do you have a link for that or something how do I put that on my Linux system?
imagine how fast everything would be without hackers
The penguins used to represent linux statuses was pretty cute.
I have been saying THP needs to be default for years. You should be able to dynamically change page sizes up to 1gb. This alone is massive for videogames.
as a regular desktop user, i want my primary thing - web browsing (learning web dev, including watching youtube) be faster. or fast. or even just dont freeze. on my intel n100 nettop it almost not possible to watch youtube, while on win 11 is almost as fast as my powerful tower (talking about youtube, of course old phones also more capable compare to)
yeap, it not an issue in linux itself, but in browser's developers, they dont want to implement hardware acceleration. i dont understand why it not discussed almost anywhere, and only about gaming. Only articles and manuals that depends on many factors and many dont work.
The b-roll you're using is both mentally stimulating and causing me intense existential dread
Love you videos btw, taught me good OPSEC
This is gonna boost up games!
9:25 What a missed opportunity. "Technically correct, the best kind of correct."
I remember linux used to be fast in 2007, but somewhere around 2008/2009 they changed something in the scheduler that screwed it all to hell.
When I get my desktop pc, I'm gonna set Linux as my primary OS.
Which one of them? ;-)
opensuse!
@@gar1256 OpenSuse for a newcomer? Why? xD
Why not go with Mint which is very user friendly and looks like Windows/Mac hybrid (I'm talking about Cinnamon DE and their custom applications and settings).
Multi-socket performance bump sounds good to me! Should be a big help at work.
The OS to cars analogy got me so good hahaha
"At least after they finish showing you a screenshot of their tiling window manager and anime wallpaper"
That is the truest sentence about Arch users I ever heard.
"dropping performance by 600%" made me think the patch made the kernel travel through time backwards.
They later say 6x implying they mean 83.3%.
3888.9% performance improvement!? sweet now I can run Linux on my toaster and play doom.
I'd prefer if it got 40 times easier to use instead
What is hard to use about linux?
i agree, wish it was 40 times OOBE like windows install....but in linux nothing is ready to use for desktop...hard part is waiting eternity for something . Feels like linux users are beta testers
@@somnia3423 Finding the drivers it doesn't install automatically and trying to get online games, mods and emulators to work.
If you want to improve the credibility of f/oss, how about addressing the ever growing onslaught of supply chain attacks in foss libraries and repositories and packages? Right now nobody has an answer, and with every passing day, my risk of using package x increases.
On the other hand, it's a renaissance for notinventedhere :/
Did you know that most windows viruses doesn't know how to harm a linux computer?
Isnt it not even a performance boost at all? its just fixing something the previous update fucked up
Minor correction: using Windows is like trying to get a Chevy V8 to do everything. In fairness, a Chevy V8 can do everything, it's just not good at everything.
Answer: no, it didn't.
Improving performance of a function by 40x is irrelevant unless that function is a hot path and other processes are constantly waiting on it.
Imagine the kernel as a list of subsequent algorithms that gets run every second (it's not the case, but it's just for sake of argument).
Out of 1000 millisecond if something takens 10 milliesconds and you make an update that makes that part take 1 millisecond, yes that part got x10 faster, but the whole kernel only got 0.9% faster.
Whats a 600% performance drop?
If the execution time goes up 6x, then the performance drops 6x, to 16% i.e. its a 84% performance drop.
Thanks for the news!
letssgooo 🔥we hacked the algorithm 💯
Wait so company having competition and them not doing as well as people would hope means they will make their product better? 🤯🤯🤯
I enjoy watching your videos and look forward to them
MMOs (FFXIV, Star citizen, etc.) will probably see a big boost, since they have the biggest problem with being CPU-bound due to physics and entity calculations. Similarly, if you're in Minecraft, and have a system that requires a lot of entity rendering, it requires more CPU Power, than graphics.
The penguin who had No Effect At All is my favorite one.
Ah, so that's why my kernel compiled in half a second this morning :P
For a channel that I watch for PowerPoint-esque video presetations, Sonic footage was a jumpscare.
"Linux just got 40 times faster" - not quite. An inefficiency was patched that only slowed down some programs
Also the CPU division is working, instead of having the last three cores 100 we have almost all the core at a similar percentage.
Linux caters to server hardware and enterprise use cases and won't degrade performance in those areas for the benefit of gaming or consumer hardware. I think that's the lesson here.