Neale not in because "his first half of the season wasn't as good" (not true), but then putting Sicily and Sinclair in the team over guys like Ryan, Wilkie and Zorko is so funny. King is so funny because he genuinely has the dumbest takes in the media
Could be the year that a midfielder gets taken off the bench for a ruck. Either Xerri or Gawn go interchange and Daicos gets the slip. No idea why everyone has Daicos in there teams, good player but no in top 10 mids atm. Top ten (in no particular order): Errol, Heeney, Bont, Treloar, Cripps, Merret, Serong, Neale, Butters & LDU... Special mentions Chad, Young, Brayshaw, Dunkley and Daicos. Genuinely don't think there is a single Collingwood player that deserves AA.
@@nathand4500 Why is Champion Data the definitive judge of the top players? Presumably those who collate the various stats that everyone hangs their hat on are making their own subjective assessments on each disposal, tackle, or whatever other component of the game is deemed relevant by Champion Data. By way of example, raw numbers of tackles are next to pointless. A run-down tackle is worth gold while a ruckman tackling another ruckman at a stoppage is worth diddly-squat - yet they are both counted as being of the same value.
@@nathand4500 Tell me how CD is much more sophisticated than that. By their ratings, Bailey Dale is a top 10 player. There's fifty I'd pick in my side before Bailey even came under consideration.
@@morningsky8045 that's the point, they have a highly sophisticated, objective, quantifiable approach, whereas you're just offering you're opinion. Objectively quantify your statement and then get back to me, rather than a vague statement such as "there are 50 better players than him".
Nick daicos isnt in AA midfielder form, no clue how people are making the argument neale isnt consistent enough whilst daicos has had like 8 games with 40% efficiency. Neale has been in the top 3 best mids all year easily. Once again, QLD has 0 people in the AA selection. Only state to not have someone in there. Neale can be the best in the comp or top 3 but they'll compare him to his 2020 year and go "he's not at his best so its not AA worthy" whilst he's still a top 3 midfielder. AA selection is a joke lmao, tom stewert will probably get in despite only playing 3 good games. Jeremy Cameron will get in for playing 3 good games, Gawn is always a lock. They have players they make room for every year its a joke, Daicos will be one of the lock players despite form too. AA selectors shouldnt be involved in the media, they make selections to get headlines. Until they make a change its an absolutely pointless team. Stewert being in last year, Neale not being in, Harris Andrews not being in ect. Theres countless interstate players being robbed each year simply because all the selectors are vic based media people that probably dont watch interstate games
Considering he’s been tagged most of the year and he wins a lot of contested disposals I think he’s doing pretty well mate Of course his disposals % will be abit off if you have someone hanging on you every step
The big names will always be favoured based on name value alone. I'm convinced most of the 'experts' don't even watch most of the games. Like you said, Daicos has had a number of very good games, he's also had some absolute shockers, way too many to justify being AA imo, exact same as Jeremy Cameron, he's been a complete non factor in half the games this season but will make it based on his reputation and the fact people judge them based off their highs and not their lows. Xerri has been better than Gawn this year, and also hasn't missed any games due to injury, yet some 'experts' will scoff at the idea of Gawn not being in the team. Also Jack Sinclair might have been the best player in the comp in the second half of the season, yet Kingy is the first to mention him and Kane seemed surprised, if he played for Collingwood and had a famous dad they'd be all over him. Sucks to play for a small or interstate club.
@@tomnguyen4673 Compared to cripps, neale, treloar, bont, heeney, warner, young, serong, he has been mid. All of these names have been better mids than daicos, yet daicos will be picked ahead of most of them just because of his name. Neale has been double tagged in basically every game, still dominates 90% of them with insanely good kicking. Daicos has the least damaging touches out of all of these players, who cares if he gets the ball heaps if 90% of the time he just does a short handball or gets a short handball. Against the crows is a perfect example, he had 35 touches or something going at 40%. He had more direct goal assists to the crows than any crows player and nearly cost the pies the game bases on his bad kicking alone. Yet the media hyped him after it despite being absolute trash in that match. Neale, Young and Serong have all been better more damaging mids than daicos across the full season
@@DC-pt4gm Basically. Not to mention QLD not having a selector, last year Moore got in the team over Andrews despite being worse in every single stat a key defender has. He played half of a season then dropped off, but because of that half they locked him in anyway. His drop off this year was actually a drop off halfway through last year, they just didnt bother watching. Neale should have been AA last year, instead they wanted headlines talking about how "bad" he was (He was the best clearance mid in the comp and more consistent than basically everyone) AA is a joke and all based around media attention. Gawn, Stewert and Cameron all need to have 3 good games a year to be a lock. Daicos will be in that boat now too. Meanwhile Brisbane always get robbed of it, they had the same selections as north melbourne last year... Whilst having the best key defender, top 3 midfielder and top 3 key forward.
Kingy raises an interesting point regarding All Australian team selection. IIRC, Sam Mitchell won the LIston Medal for the VFL polling 31 votes from 11 games - 10 best on ground, 1 x 3rd best.
For Nick Cox, he could work on his neck strength, that’s what boxers do to be able to absorb head contact without being knocked out. I’m sure a few players could benefit from that
"Grody", brilliant David, brilliant. I wasn't sure that I'd heard it right until Kane assured us all that you had. Swans are a much better team with Grundy playing, even when he's not perfect. We need the other players doing their thing where they are. I agree with David that he needs to step up.I also agree with Kane about Ladhams. Why did Port get rid of him, they basically gave him away bcos he's a knuckle-head.
Big fan of Kings insistence that AA wings should be actual wingers not midfielders. Does make it rough that awesome midfielders don't get AA selection because there can only be 3.
I saw a game a long time ago where the great Alex Jesalenka heard footsteps & ran away from the mark. Until that time, I was a huge fan bcos of his, "Jesalenko, you beauty" days. I was a Carlton fan then, now Swans.
I have never been able to understand how you can change the club you support. In my mind you're a supporter for life, but that obviously doesn't apply to everyone.
@@gustaaf1892I spent the first 24 years of my life as a pretty passive essendon supporter (was much more into soccer growing up), then the supplements saga kicked off. I asked my friends if that was a good enough reason to change teams, and the amount of vitriol I copped meant I decided to do it just to piss them off. I switched to the doggies in late 2015 and haven't looked back. I still didn't really give a shit about footy until probably 2019 but I'm a paid up member and go to most games now. I couldn't see myself changing teams again from here
@gustaaf1892 I was a Carlton fan living in nsw from a very young age. When I moved to Sydney much, much later if took me 5 years before I changed. I still like Carlton but am a Swans fan bcos I live their.
Totally agree with Corn re. Cox. He barely received contact with the body, let alone the head. I seriously thought he just wanted to come off for the day. Blancmange hard.
Imagine, potentially going back to back Brownlows and not making All Australian teams in either of those years. *for what it's worth... I don't think he will win the Brownlow. Just an observation.
@@ant.johnstone I think Cripps or Daicos will win but I 100% agree with you he is a top 5 midfielder in the comp this year and last year he should be all Australian
He's 100% right. Bloke copped a knock on the shoulder, miles off his head, and got concussed. That's gonna happen every game, multiple times a game. If that's happening now it doesn't bode for a long career.
King on Grundy is completely off, and the suggestion that we play an extra midfielder instead is laughable. He's been down for a few weeks, but he's not in the side for his contributions around the ground. He has remained competitive in the ruck the whole time, if less dominant than the start of the season, and has probably been the biggest reason across the season for our improvement in contested footy and clearances.
The Eagles fans are very supportive of their coaches and players. But the main newspaper here has turned vindictive and nasty. The fans actually ended up backing Simmo more because of how bad the paper was.
You do miss 2 games with a quad injury according to Rick Montiadis Kane!!! Funny you tipped the Crows Kane . I don't expect David King to praise anything Port Adelaide. No surprise let Butters out of his all Australian. Must of hurt including Houston. Horne Francis is the new Russell Ebert no surprise Kingy left him out.
The workload Weitering has to do in the backline every single year by himself since he has no help around him is ridiculous. He should be named every year. Absolutely crazy how he hasn’t been named yet 😅
I understand you can't favour one team, and im happy young is there but how tf is serong not also in his team? Personally i think treacy should be too but at the very least serong who is likely going to be in the top 5 maybe 6 in the Brownlow should be there. Also idk who this Lachie Neale guy is everyone keeps mentioning? These guys don't seem to know him either? 🤔😂
This Hipwood discussion is absolute nonsense. Harry Smith played second ruck/forward while Hipwood was away. Hipwood comes in, Smith goes out and Daniher goes back to attending center bounces as second ruck when required. Why are you even discussing Morris?
@@alansimmonds9030 half a season what? he's been lions most consistent performer from round 1 when he was put in the halfback spot after coleman went down
Imagine not understanding that Gawn has had statistically one of his best seasons. Everyone has become accustomed to his levels, it's easy to fall for the hot hand in Xerri but Gawn is still comfortably ahead.
@@user-rk6nn8gh9i Gawn averaging more: kicks, disposals, marks, goals, behinds, inside 50s, hitouts, uncontested possession, effective disposals, contested marks, marks i50, rebound 50s, score involvements, metres gained, and intercepts - all from one fewer game than X. Don't get me wrong, I love X, he's tough and he's going to be a star - but it's easy to think of the hot hand and overlook how good Gawns year has been, considering he has played at this level for most of the last decade. Both will be in the squad, but I can't see them naming both in the final team.
@acidmike @acidmike whether he played one less game is irrelevant when quoting averages. Half of those stats you've listed the advantage is so minuscule it's baffling you've highlighted them. Rebound 50s come on. X wins more contested footy, more tackles, more clearances, better disposal efficiency, more ground balls, pressure acts. He's a big hard bastard who wins it at the coal face, and makes his opponents earn every possession. If North chalked up a few more wins, he'd guaranteed be wearing a blazer at seasons end
@@morningsky8045 stengles kicked 8 more goals than Moore and they have similar stats (I also have him in my side), rankine is ineligible due to games played, and Brent Daniels has only really played well the last month or so
Did Kingy just complain about putting midfielders on the wing then put Chad Warner and Harry Sheezel at half forward?
Both have definitely played there this year especially sheezel, for half the season he has played half forward/mid
Max Holmes will win the Geelong B&F by a record margin. He's definately AA this year.
Massimo's numbers are way better.
@@alansimmonds9030 holmes is an inside mid/halfback not a winger
@@ScottyGem321 Probably why he's no chance then....Burgoyne did the same mixed role for us during the 3-peat & never got a gig
@@alansimmonds9030yeah true. I like holmes but just don’t think he’s quite AA level or rather that the AA committee select those types of players
@@protoindoeuropean He's AA level Alright...think he makes the squad of 40 easily.
Not having Neale, who is arguably going to win the Brownlow, is an absolute joke.
the whole team would be midfielders if they could
Neale not in because "his first half of the season wasn't as good" (not true), but then putting Sicily and Sinclair in the team over guys like Ryan, Wilkie and Zorko is so funny. King is so funny because he genuinely has the dumbest takes in the media
Could be the year that a midfielder gets taken off the bench for a ruck. Either Xerri or Gawn go interchange and Daicos gets the slip. No idea why everyone has Daicos in there teams, good player but no in top 10 mids atm.
Top ten (in no particular order): Errol, Heeney, Bont, Treloar, Cripps, Merret, Serong, Neale, Butters & LDU... Special mentions Chad, Young, Brayshaw, Dunkley and Daicos.
Genuinely don't think there is a single Collingwood player that deserves AA.
Daicos is statistically in the top 10 players in the game according to Champion Data, nevermind what most people think.
@@nathand4500 Why is Champion Data the definitive judge of the top players? Presumably those who collate the various stats that everyone hangs their hat on are making their own subjective assessments on each disposal, tackle, or whatever other component of the game is deemed relevant by Champion Data.
By way of example, raw numbers of tackles are next to pointless. A run-down tackle is worth gold while a ruckman tackling another ruckman at a stoppage is worth diddly-squat - yet they are both counted as being of the same value.
@@morningsky8045 Champion Data is much more sophisticated than that, it just doesn't agree with your feelings.
@@nathand4500 Tell me how CD is much more sophisticated than that. By their ratings, Bailey Dale is a top 10 player. There's fifty I'd pick in my side before Bailey even came under consideration.
@@morningsky8045 that's the point, they have a highly sophisticated, objective, quantifiable approach, whereas you're just offering you're opinion. Objectively quantify your statement and then get back to me, rather than a vague statement such as "there are 50 better players than him".
Nick daicos isnt in AA midfielder form, no clue how people are making the argument neale isnt consistent enough whilst daicos has had like 8 games with 40% efficiency. Neale has been in the top 3 best mids all year easily. Once again, QLD has 0 people in the AA selection. Only state to not have someone in there. Neale can be the best in the comp or top 3 but they'll compare him to his 2020 year and go "he's not at his best so its not AA worthy" whilst he's still a top 3 midfielder. AA selection is a joke lmao, tom stewert will probably get in despite only playing 3 good games. Jeremy Cameron will get in for playing 3 good games, Gawn is always a lock. They have players they make room for every year its a joke, Daicos will be one of the lock players despite form too. AA selectors shouldnt be involved in the media, they make selections to get headlines. Until they make a change its an absolutely pointless team. Stewert being in last year, Neale not being in, Harris Andrews not being in ect. Theres countless interstate players being robbed each year simply because all the selectors are vic based media people that probably dont watch interstate games
Considering he’s been tagged most of the year and he wins a lot of contested disposals
I think he’s doing pretty well mate
Of course his disposals % will be abit off if you have someone hanging on you every step
The big names will always be favoured based on name value alone. I'm convinced most of the 'experts' don't even watch most of the games. Like you said, Daicos has had a number of very good games, he's also had some absolute shockers, way too many to justify being AA imo, exact same as Jeremy Cameron, he's been a complete non factor in half the games this season but will make it based on his reputation and the fact people judge them based off their highs and not their lows. Xerri has been better than Gawn this year, and also hasn't missed any games due to injury, yet some 'experts' will scoff at the idea of Gawn not being in the team. Also Jack Sinclair might have been the best player in the comp in the second half of the season, yet Kingy is the first to mention him and Kane seemed surprised, if he played for Collingwood and had a famous dad they'd be all over him. Sucks to play for a small or interstate club.
@@tomnguyen4673 Compared to cripps, neale, treloar, bont, heeney, warner, young, serong, he has been mid. All of these names have been better mids than daicos, yet daicos will be picked ahead of most of them just because of his name. Neale has been double tagged in basically every game, still dominates 90% of them with insanely good kicking. Daicos has the least damaging touches out of all of these players, who cares if he gets the ball heaps if 90% of the time he just does a short handball or gets a short handball. Against the crows is a perfect example, he had 35 touches or something going at 40%. He had more direct goal assists to the crows than any crows player and nearly cost the pies the game bases on his bad kicking alone. Yet the media hyped him after it despite being absolute trash in that match. Neale, Young and Serong have all been better more damaging mids than daicos across the full season
@@DC-pt4gm Basically. Not to mention QLD not having a selector, last year Moore got in the team over Andrews despite being worse in every single stat a key defender has. He played half of a season then dropped off, but because of that half they locked him in anyway. His drop off this year was actually a drop off halfway through last year, they just didnt bother watching. Neale should have been AA last year, instead they wanted headlines talking about how "bad" he was (He was the best clearance mid in the comp and more consistent than basically everyone) AA is a joke and all based around media attention. Gawn, Stewert and Cameron all need to have 3 good games a year to be a lock. Daicos will be in that boat now too. Meanwhile Brisbane always get robbed of it, they had the same selections as north melbourne last year... Whilst having the best key defender, top 3 midfielder and top 3 key forward.
You’ve got a heavy case of recency bias
Kingy raises an interesting point regarding All Australian team selection. IIRC, Sam Mitchell won the LIston Medal for the VFL polling 31 votes from 11 games - 10 best on ground, 1 x 3rd best.
For Nick Cox, he could work on his neck strength, that’s what boxers do to be able to absorb head contact without being knocked out. I’m sure a few players could benefit from that
Jesse Hogan, great story well done. Very smart contested mark player. Crafty.
Hilarious show boys loved it
Massive agree with Kingy about Grodie. Was amazing when Swans were flying earlier in the year, but has hardly been seen recently
"Grody", brilliant David, brilliant. I wasn't sure that I'd heard it right until Kane assured us all that you had. Swans are a much better team with Grundy playing, even when he's not perfect. We need the other players doing their thing where they are. I agree with David that he needs to step up.I also agree with Kane about Ladhams. Why did Port get rid of him, they basically gave him away bcos he's a knuckle-head.
I prefer ‘Brundy’
Big fan of Kings insistence that AA wings should be actual wingers not midfielders. Does make it rough that awesome midfielders don't get AA selection because there can only be 3.
I saw a game a long time ago where the great Alex Jesalenka heard footsteps & ran away from the mark. Until that time, I was a huge fan bcos of his, "Jesalenko, you beauty" days. I was a Carlton fan then, now Swans.
I have never been able to understand how you can change the club you support. In my mind you're a supporter for life, but that obviously doesn't apply to everyone.
@@gustaaf1892I spent the first 24 years of my life as a pretty passive essendon supporter (was much more into soccer growing up), then the supplements saga kicked off. I asked my friends if that was a good enough reason to change teams, and the amount of vitriol I copped meant I decided to do it just to piss them off. I switched to the doggies in late 2015 and haven't looked back. I still didn't really give a shit about footy until probably 2019 but I'm a paid up member and go to most games now. I couldn't see myself changing teams again from here
@@Iunio92 Fair enough.
@gustaaf1892 I was a Carlton fan living in nsw from a very young age. When I moved to Sydney much, much later if took me 5 years before I changed. I still like Carlton but am a Swans fan bcos I live their.
Neale Andrews have to make it. Sam Collins. Ben king.
Totally agree with Corn re. Cox. He barely received contact with the body, let alone the head. I seriously thought he just wanted to come off for the day. Blancmange hard.
I’m not a massive Lachie Neale fan but he should make the team
Imagine, potentially going back to back Brownlows and not making All Australian teams in either of those years.
*for what it's worth... I don't think he will win the Brownlow. Just an observation.
@@ant.johnstone I think Cripps or Daicos will win but I 100% agree with you he is a top 5 midfielder in the comp this year and last year he should be all Australian
Neale actually polled well when he was at Fremantle too
I think most of the AA selection is a load of w**k
Kane is so right about Cox
He's 100% right. Bloke copped a knock on the shoulder, miles off his head, and got concussed. That's gonna happen every game, multiple times a game. If that's happening now it doesn't bode for a long career.
11:49 The medical treatment of Nick's what did you just say Kane?
King on Grundy is completely off, and the suggestion that we play an extra midfielder instead is laughable. He's been down for a few weeks, but he's not in the side for his contributions around the ground. He has remained competitive in the ruck the whole time, if less dominant than the start of the season, and has probably been the biggest reason across the season for our improvement in contested footy and clearances.
The Eagles fans are very supportive of their coaches and players. But the main newspaper here has turned vindictive and nasty. The fans actually ended up backing Simmo more because of how bad the paper was.
Sheezel at half forward kingy? He's kicked 14 goals for the year
Noth Melbourne
He played back and mid, before moving more forward this year. IN any case, should in the AA side.
Sheezel, Neale and Serong. Need to be the three rovers (I consider center a rover)
Ben Keas deserves to be on a forward flank.
You do miss 2 games with a quad injury according to Rick Montiadis Kane!!! Funny you tipped the Crows Kane . I don't expect David King to praise anything Port Adelaide. No surprise let Butters out of his all Australian. Must of hurt including Houston.
Horne Francis is the new Russell Ebert no surprise Kingy left him out.
I’d have Bailey Dale over Jack Sinclair. I reckon he’s been exceptional since about round 6.
No Tom Stewart Kingy? Are you for real?
I thought the same thing
No Tom Stewart?
Rightfully so! a few good weeks isn't enough
Been tagged out of lot of games As clubs have become savvy to him.
The workload Weitering has to do in the backline every single year by himself since he has no help around him is ridiculous. He should be named every year. Absolutely crazy how he hasn’t been named yet 😅
Grodie!
No Dan Rioli
No chance with Korn on the panel
No Serong is criminal?
I understand you can't favour one team, and im happy young is there but how tf is serong not also in his team? Personally i think treacy should be too but at the very least serong who is likely going to be in the top 5 maybe 6 in the Brownlow should be there.
Also idk who this Lachie Neale guy is everyone keeps mentioning? These guys don't seem to know him either? 🤔😂
Come on kingy if Dockers lose to gws and port they will miss finals.
This Hipwood discussion is absolute nonsense.
Harry Smith played second ruck/forward while Hipwood was away.
Hipwood comes in, Smith goes out and Daniher goes back to attending center bounces as second ruck when required. Why are you even discussing Morris?
Jacob weitering?? Not even mention as a snub? Literally way better than Harris Andrew. Carlton’s defence is awful without him.
Carlton’s defences awful with him to🤣
Sinclair over nick blakey?? Wtf kingy
If a player is soft and can’t take a hit with out getting concussion not going to last long at any level
i wouldnt agree with sinclair over dayne zorko
Zorko has come with A rush, but half A season isn't going to do it for him.
@@alansimmonds9030 hes been outstaning since moving into this role in round 3-5, people are just finally starting to cover it
@@alansimmonds9030 half a season what? he's been lions most consistent performer from round 1 when he was put in the halfback spot after coleman went down
no wilkie are you kidding?\
"who wins"
"erm.... Adelaide"
You fuckin Beauty Kane
That’s why kingy ain’t selecting the aa side, kingy has to be in the bloody gun after that.
Grody
Imagine picking Gawn over the Big X
I would, easily.
Imagine not understanding that Gawn has had statistically one of his best seasons. Everyone has become accustomed to his levels, it's easy to fall for the hot hand in Xerri but Gawn is still comfortably ahead.
@acidmike X > Gawn in 2024
@@user-rk6nn8gh9i Gawn averaging more: kicks, disposals, marks, goals, behinds, inside 50s, hitouts, uncontested possession, effective disposals, contested marks, marks i50, rebound 50s, score involvements, metres gained, and intercepts - all from one fewer game than X. Don't get me wrong, I love X, he's tough and he's going to be a star - but it's easy to think of the hot hand and overlook how good Gawns year has been, considering he has played at this level for most of the last decade. Both will be in the squad, but I can't see them naming both in the final team.
@acidmike @acidmike whether he played one less game is irrelevant when quoting averages. Half of those stats you've listed the advantage is so minuscule it's baffling you've highlighted them. Rebound 50s come on. X wins more contested footy, more tackles, more clearances, better disposal efficiency, more ground balls, pressure acts. He's a big hard bastard who wins it at the coal face, and makes his opponents earn every possession. If North chalked up a few more wins, he'd guaranteed be wearing a blazer at seasons end
Stengle shouldn’t be anywhere near the AA this year that is hilarious 😂
name a better small fwd
@@rickylolrankine by about 50 lightyears
@@rickylol Moore from the Hawks, Rankine from the Crows, Daniels from GWS.
@@joey3495 I agree with you, however, he is ineligible as he will not be able to play the number of games required in order to be selected.
@@morningsky8045 stengles kicked 8 more goals than Moore and they have similar stats (I also have him in my side), rankine is ineligible due to games played, and Brent Daniels has only really played well the last month or so
The 2 most consistent teams July and August are Hawks and Giants. The rest can't be trusted.
Let's just see what happens.
Dogs play golf
Cats are just as consistent
Must have forgot about July 6...
What are you smoking mate. The Cats are just as consistent as the Hawks and even thumped them.
Swans by a bit
essendon by 5. Swans win minor premireship because every teams fucks up beneath them tho. Essendon get battered 90+ final day