How fascinating it is to hear all this from one of the true legends of the game, also a FA Cup Winner for Manchester United. I wish the internet warriors of today would've seen this great player at his peak, a phenomenal player!
Giles is a walking encyclopaedia...could listen to him for days...I find his stories and perspectives on players more interesting than the rubbish on TV that’s allowed pass now for the beautiful game
Well said. Giles is the ultimate authority on the game. All the more reason to question why RTE allowed him to walk away when he was on the panel...or was he pushed ?
@Truth Talker if you think that you either (a) dont actually listen to what he says or (b) you listen to too many negative generic comments by other begrudgers or (c) you never played the game yourself. J G was one of the best midfielders in England over the last 60 years. His football philosophy is layed out on the programme regularly and his is a simple, uncomplicated, no nonsense one. Just because he has been around a long time doesnt mean he is irrelevant.
I would have to include Bryan Robson The best most complete central midfielder I have ever seen. He could pass and score like Scholes, tackle/defend/run into the box and lead the team like Keane. Out of all of the Manchester United players I have seen he would be the first player on the team sheet.
When I think about the years he gave our club 81-94. The tireless dedication and devotion, coming back an endless stream of injuries. All this while he could have gone to Liverpool and won a European cup, or left us during the mid 80's for a Juventus or Milan ( which there was rumor of this happening ) it almost brings tears to my eyes. He gave so much, for so long, he gave his heart/soul/body to United. I am just glad he won two Premier League titles before he left for Middlesborough
I think its a good selection. I can see where the modern players I've lived through fit in to that team. Cantona and Rooney replace Best and Law. Scholes, Keane the same. Stam, Vidic the same. Irwin the same but I'd pick Neville RB. I'd replace Charlton with Giggs or Beckham. I personally think Beckham was the better player but its a very close call. 433: Schmeichel, Neville, Stam, Vidic, Irwin, Beckham,Scholes, Keane, Rooney, Ronaldo, Cantona.
Great team from Johnny Giles. Tough calls but spot on. Especially Irwin at right back - probably the best RB in the Premier League era. Never understand why Gary Neville is usually ahead of him in people's PL all-time teams - I guess because he never made a fuss, just quietly brilliant every week.
Denis Irwin switched to left back when Paul Parker arrived. He played both left and right back when Phil Neville broke into the team. Usualy left but not exclusively. Denis Irwin would be my starting all time xi man u right back. Evra would be left back.
@@johnhughes8466 , the most naturally gifted player I ever seen, most of his talents not captured on T.V. no gimmicks with George, just unbelievable, there is no one ever that I would rather see play, an entertainer who didn't need to dive and roll over fir decisions, he stayed on his feet and put the ball in the net. R.I.P. George Best.
Spot on about the England midfield debate,scholes was the main man but the two so called golden boys got the choice positions,hence exit every tournament early.
Very good selection considering the breadth of quality. Charlton had to be in there for the reasons Johnny gave! To me the front three was a perfect 👍 selection! Law and Best could play in wet conditions when others couldn't. Ronaldo was exceptional with either foot or head.
Stam was pretty much the complete centre half. He was good in the air, strong, fast, great tackler, had a decent touch, and could play out. Oh, and it was pretty funny that Giles put Ronaldo in the team. He said it himself, but if I remember correctly he and Dunphy, and perhaps Brady at times, gave Ronaldo absolute dogs abuse when he was at Man U.
There should be honorable mention of Paul McGrath. He was the center of United's defence during the 1980's when we were only winning cups not leagues. He had everything, pace, strength and something that is underrated the ability to read the game. Vidic couldn't contain Torres yet alone Maradona the way McGrath did. He is also the main reason why Ian Rush never scored against us during the 1980's, which when you think about it is amazing.
Vidic played against torres 14 times and only conceded three goals to him, on of those goals was his own mistake. He also scored 2 goals himself in those 14 games
@@NotMe-el3hg I never suggested Vidic wasn't worthy of a place in an all time Manchester United. There are defenders who defended as well and did more; his partner Ferdinand who would venture up field and was as good defender as Vidic was. McGrath is not mentioned by anyone. A very underrated defender who had a brief but very successful Manchester United career was Ronny Johnson. If you are not counting McGrath in an all time Ferguson team because I think his peak was pre 1986. I would rank Johnson, after Stam/Ferdinand/Vidic as the fourth best central defender. He had everything, height, strength, pace, he could play in mid field. He was better than Bruce and Pallister, they had long glorious careers but Johnson was better than both of them.
@@briansukhu4392 vidic was always better then Ferdinand, u take vidic away and Ferdinand wasnt near as good where as I believe u could play anyone beside vidic and he would still be as good
@@NotMe-el3hg i know Ferdinand needed a real stoppet alongside him. Remember he did well for us alongside; Brown/Silvestre, and for England Campbell and Terry
Bang On - he won everything in the air and was such a good passer he played in midfield well over a hundred times in his career,,, Schmeichel, Irwin, Evra,McGrath, Stam, Keane, Scholes, Charlton, Giggs, Law... and Rashford - i really think he will be that good.
I’d also have picked VIDIC & STAM as United’s best central defenders although Rio was a class act & not far behind. An honourable mention to Paul McGrath, Martin Buchan & Gordon McQueen. ( all great central defenders in their own right for United), albeit from a less successful era.
A Vidic and Stam partnership would be horrible. Too similar of players. Ferdinand partnering with one of them gives a proper ball player, or else you will have to rely on one of the midfielders coming very, very deep.
Interesting selection and a very strong one. I am surprised that as an Irishman the genius Paul McGrath didn't get into the team perhaps ahead of Vidic but he didn't.
@@johnbradley349 Yes I know, but he was born in England so is classed as British, he then would have had to apply for an Irish Passport as he was born outside Ireland so he will be duel nationality - but given where you are born determined what nationality you are he is more British than Irish.
@@johnbradley349 Is this your Irish 3rd world education kicking in again kid? Where an animal was born doesnt determine its species. However if that dog was born in say New York in that barn then the dog would be American. Really dont see why you are getting so triggered by some basic facts.
@@mrfrisky2997 Where a person follows their career bears no connection with their nationality. Or is Messi Spanish now?..........Just let it go.....You're simply digging a bigger hole...;-)
Hard to disagree with those selections, think Paul McGrath May give vidic a run for his money and very difficult to leave out Bryan Robson. The trinity had to get in. Those 3 today would be priceless
Roy Keane all day long best midfielder in Premier League history if Roy Keane was English they would have the World Cup won at least twice he won't need Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard just Paul Scholes Keane and Scholes could play together
The way Giles talk about Charlton makes it seem like he was a selfish player . But from what i have seen from his world cup 66 matches on youtube . Charlton was a lot like in scholes they he would sit deep and mainly control the midfield with his passing . I am surprised Giles never talks about his passing abilities and vision because it was up there with scholes and he could beat players like Gazza . Charlton was really a cross between scholes and Gazza and he was better than both . Englands best player and up there with maradonna , pele messi , cryuff etc. tinyurl.com/v2gz8kv
@@paulmallon9292 Giles only played with Charlton when charlton was a winger . As charlton got older he played as a deep play maker and was very scholes like in his play. Giles had long left man united when charlton was playing as a deep play maker.
@@greengrass811 So he played with him? Interesting. Would training be involved there too? I just need to know because his arrogance on this topic is frankly unbelievable. He needs a good talking to.
Yeah but United were a team rebuilding . Robson played before Beckham , Scholes, Giggs , Cantona and a very short time with Keane . Gazza reckons Robson was the best player he ever played with . Gazza played with scholes, barnes, waddle ,sheare , lineker, brian laudruup etc. Even Giles says himself Robson was as good as Keane but he picked Keane because Robson played in a much inferior team to Keane . Also i am glad Giles picked Bobby Charlton, because most football fans don't realise how good Bobby was . I told my friend today the team that Giles picked and he was shocked that he picked Bobby Charlton.. It seems most people are very ignorant about Charlton . Most football fans think he was an attacking midfielder like Gerrard who would score spectacular goals . But he was so much more than that , he could pass the ball and dictate the game like scholes and he could goes past players like Gazza. Beckenbauer reckoned he was better than Cryuff and Pele . Says he was the best player he ever played against. Jimmy Greaves reckoned he was the best play maker he had ever seen- He quite simply is Man United's greatest ever player.
@@greengrass811 in my opinion Robson was better than Keane, not by much at all; a very small margin. Robson was 10 out of 10, Keane 9 or 9.5. Robson was quicker scored more goals and had slightly better dead ball ability. Saying all of this I loved Keane I have immense admiration for him. He did everything expected of a central midfielder, captain and more. The fact that Robson played in a weaker team should not count against him. If anything at times he was carrying us during the 80's. Taking into consideration of the above is why I would place Robson ahead of Scholes. He scored as much goals as Scholes, perhaps not the deft touch of Scholes but he was a good enough passer to perform that role in the team. I was growing up during the 1980's I knew Robson was our hero and carried the team, during the 90's while marvelling at Keane and being in awe of the teams Ferguson was building and rebuilding, I was able to look back at Robson's career with a much greater knowledge of the game and his subsequent impact on the team. Taking into consideration Gilles age, he was at an age when Robson was at his pomp to observe and appreciate his impact more than I was able to during the 1980's. Everyone says while all time great Charlton was so I would simply go along with what the experts say.
Robson kept getting injuries under ferguson. Keane was much younger and would hardly miss a game. Ferguson placed a lot of importance on players being available as much as possible
@@wannaseesomestuff Robson did get a lot of injuries but that didn't prevent him from having a 13 year career. I would place him ahead of Scholes not Keane, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
Keane was a great player in some great (United) teams, Robson was a great player in some poor United teams, but when he played you was never out of the game and realised how much he lifted those around him, when Robson was not injured and playing you always had a chance, he could carry the team with him.
Spot on. One of the few knowledgeable enough to know that Dennis Irwin is right footed and better than Gary Neville. I'd have Patrice Evra over Tony Dunne, for more modern attacking options. Bryan Robson over Paul Scholes, but John Giles makes a very convincing case. And probably Van Nistelrooy instead of Dennis Law, but it's marginal. And maybe Martin Buchan!
Would swop Vidic for Mcgrath, Dunne for Robson, Law for Van Nistelrooy. Brilliant analysis from Giles regarding Scholes and the England team, have always thought exactly the same. He was also spot on when comparing Vidic and Ferdinand, always thought Vidic was a far superior defender out of the pair. When you think about the players left out, Cantona, Beckham, Giggs etc I think you could pick 2 Utd teams, and both of them would be as good as any other teams best 11
I would agree with the majority of this team. On the centre back positions, I can see why he chose the 2 he did. I too always rated Vidic above Ferdinand. Yeah Ferdinand was the better on the ball, but in terms of defensive qualities, reading of the game and attitude Vidic was the better player. I always felt too that Vidic improved Ferdinand as a player, Ferdinand as good as he was, did have this tendency to occasionally switch off in big moments, and needed Vidic who was a big character and leader alongside him, to keep him focused. Vidic was the glue that held that Man Utd defence together for me. Stam too was a leader from the back, and as tough as they come. To ask weather he and Vidic could play together is laughable, these 2 would scare the life out of opposition attackers. I can see why he left Giggs out too, yes in terms of longevity Giggs has better careers for United than Ronaldo or Best, but in terms of absolute best for United, Ronaldo and Best where on another level in terms of the talent they had. Only position I’d maybe query a little is Evra at left back, but it’s a close call that one.
Robson = Colossus. Best ive seen, how much to buy him in todays market? £200m. Turned down Juventus to stay loyal. I started supporting United because of Robson, so influential, just the man
You are right, Robson was that good, some of what he said about Bobby Charlton could be ascribed to Robson in that he won the ball back and could do it all on his own. Robson is my original hero really. Robson was that good!
I like his team, SCHMEICHEL, IRWIN, STAM, VIDIC, DUNNE, SCHOLES, KEANE, CHARLTON, RONALDO, BEST and LAW I think it is a phenomenon selection, well balanced and would be strong and could do damage. Mine would be, SCHMEICHEL, WAN BISSAKA, STAM, BUCHAN, IRWIN, BEST, CHARLTON, EDWARDS, GIGGS, CANTONA and VAN NISTELROOY It would look like a four four two when starting but there would be so many dimensions to it that it would be its own beast, my back five would be virtually impregnable, the six ahead of those offers various ferocious threats and which could keep the ball and offer protection and would be impossible to defend against.
don't agree. best law Charlton brilliant though they were didn't win anywhere near as many trophies as the likes of Rooney Ronaldo Giggs etc .ps no way Dunne was a better player than ever.
@@andyhalstead3949 I don't agree with Dunne being better than Evra but neither are my top United fullbacks. Ronaldo and Rooney are both good but I can't see how they did any better. Giggs, Ronaldo and Rooney didn't win more trophies than the better trio of Best, Law and Charlton playing together.
His analysis about Scholes was right.... controlling midfield was somethin England never had with gerrard and lampard, that's no disrespect to them but both started as midfielders but realistically they wer off the cuff attackin midfielders, they couldn't control a midfield. England needed a proper dm to play alongside Scholes and then gerrard or Lampard bein the goalscorer from midfield.... and 4 united he's in my top 3 greatest ever
Why don't you do an all-time Everton team? Giles played against Everton in the 60s when we were one of the biggest clubs in country and had great players (2 league titles: 62-63 & 69-70; and an FA Cup: 66; 2 world cup winners: Alan Ball and Ray Wilson; England's best player of the 1970 World Cup: Brian Labone). Everton always get air brushed from history -- I partly blame the Sky generation who think football began in 1992.
Great selection from Giles in all fairness - would have had Ferdinand, Neville, Robson and Rooney in there myself but United have such a rich history of great players it's impossible for it not to come down to personal preference.
Switch Irwin to LB, Neville in at RB. Swap Vidic with Rio and Scholes for Robson. Rooney instead of Law. I think that’d be a bit more balanced as a team.
@@thealolansurfer really? Dunne as you heard John say was the best full back for ten years. I will give you Ferdinand and possibly Robson but there is no way Law can be out of a greatest Utd team since 1960. His goal ratio was also streets ahead of Rooney.
@@thealolansurfer Rooney for Law.... for God sake do you know how good Law was? European footballer of the year and that was when he was playing ( and up against) Charlton and Best.
In my lifetime: Schmeichel, Neville, Rio, Stam, Irwin, Keane, Scholes, Robson, Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney Historically: Schmeichel, Neville, Stam, Rio, Irwin, Best, Keane, Charlton, Giggs, Law, Ronaldo It's so difficult as we've had so many great players. Leaving players out like McGrath, Cantona, VDS, Meredith, Edwards, Violet, Foulkes, Stiles, Taylor, Beckham, Stepney, Kanchelskis, RVN, RVP, Pallister, etc is not easy.
from the type of centre halve that J.G. likes, thinking back, a little surprised he didn't go for Paul McGrath (perhaps in place of Staam as he seemed to favor Vidic)
Can't really argue with this selection. Best Law and Charlton had to be in. Cristiano is one of the top 5 players ever. Scholes is my all time favourite player and he was revered by his peers on the continent but for whatever reason his country didn't always grasp what they had and played him in positions that didn't serve the team best. Roy in his prime was a sight to behold. Irwin was Mr consistency who could strike a dead ball wonderfully but in this team Cristiano would be hard to get the ball from but i'd play Dennis at left back just edging Evra out of the team. Stam getting sold ruined a whole summer for me because he was that good so he would make my team. Big Pete is a no brainer so my only changes would be to play Rio instead of Vidic due to Rio's ability to bring the ball out and get an attack going and Neville would get the right back slot but I have a feeling that Wan Bissaka might go on to be special things once he learns to attack better because I have never seen anyone boss left wingers as well as this lad, he is a phenomenon at dispossessing the opposition - time will tell. If I had to name five subs they would be Vidic, Giggs, Rooney, Robson and Van Nistlerooy and if you pushed me for sub a keeper then DDG just edges EVS
We can blame Sven for scholes/gerrard/lampard disorganisation, Sven was smoking a cigar just picking up his pay packet rather than making any big decisions. Would have gone with scholes and gerrard as midfield pair and found a natural left midfielder even if with less ability for balance. Maybe even played lampard as a forward/no.10 not midfield
Say.. 4 Reds fans begin an easy conversation re their best 11 United team.. I'm in earshot only I don't hang about.. Outta the bar and into the lounge.. The conversation will inevitably go south.. Names expletives.. Narky bad form.. Take it from those whose clubs had nothing much to compare to United's array of talent.. That's why its so tough to choose. C. O. Y. I.
I always thought he was very anti man utd, good choice. People forget how good Stam was, I think for balance Rio would be better than Vidic, Robbo instead of Keane again balance in the centre Robbo was mainly a leftie. Great team though
I've been thinking about this and. although I never saw him play, Bobby Charlton reckons Duncan Edwards is the best player he ever played with. So replace Vidic with Edwards.
@@djoseph5072 Good side that. Mine. Given irwin Staunton mcgrath o leary Keane Brady giles duff Keane Aldridge. 4 3 3. Houghton whelan unlucky to miss out
@@michaelmulhall5007 Nice. Spoilt for choice in the full back positions. As a Liverpool supporter very tough for me to leave out Finnan or Staunton, nothing in it really but I always rated Carr. Would loved to have put Heighway in as a winger as well but I couldn't look past the midfield I chose (all superstars) and Brady would have been well suited for a wide role. Chose Moran for his toughness. One of my favourites from those days.
@@djoseph5072 Brady for me is Irelands greatest ever player played huge roles for juve when seria a was the best league in the world by a mile. Giles or Keane number 2 and 3 In any order then mcgrath. I love ronnie whelan was a great player for Liverpool especially in the 80s and captain too for alot of that, but couldn't pick him ahead giles Keane or Brady.
Rooney wasn't a great for utd and wasn't a great for England despite all the goals. Too much money and lost the hunger. He only had one good tournament for england when he first burst on the scene, I think it was Euro 2004
Mr Frisky I’m not saying Charlton shouldn’t be in I just picked from the players I’ve seen and I’ve seen more of best than Charlton, remember I’m not a United fan
No, I think you are confused or never saw football before the Premier League. Who would you drop Law, Best, Ronaldo? Rooney wasnt as good as those guys. And a sly ageist dig at the great man.
Nostalgia bias at it's worst. Here is indeed the best 11 team you could field from every Utd player...... De Gea - Lack of titles due to playing in a team struggling to make top 5. Had Jones and Smalling in front of him in his prime Valencia and Evra on RB and LB respectively. However I'm fine with people picking Irwin though. CB's - Staam and Vidic Midfield 3 of Carrick, Scholes and Pogba Front three of Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy and Rooney Going to get flamed for some of these picks, Pogba especially. From a technical standpoint, Pogba is truly gifted and is the epitome of the modern day footballer. I just happen to believe that football is played to a higher standard today. This midfield would be able to pass their way through, with a lot of power and goals up front. Giggs didn't pass well enough to get into this midfield. Keane is massively overrated and does nothing better than anyone of those three in midfield except get red cards and miss critical matches. You could potentially make a case for Cantona, Di Maria is another supreme who had great vision, but lacked strength and didn't enjoy UK, Berbatov was technically brilliant but went missing at times, and not just the odd game, sometimes a month or two. Van Nistelrooy only won 1 league at Utd because the team had too many holes to dominate. That clown Barthez was more interested in playing outfield and trying to bluff offsides, Blanc was about 50, and even guys like Phil Neville, O'shea, and Quinton fortune were starting matches. Ronaldo was like 18 and didn't understand when to pass, and a lot of other players were below their best. Gary Neville made the case that he didn't think RVN was good for the team at the time, probably because he had a team of either OAP's around him or greens. De gea gets in goal because without him we would have been relegation candidates during the Moyes and LVG years. VDS and PS had real defenders in front of them, De Gea basically had a championship partnership in front of him. Will not be talked about in Man Utd's history, because he never played in a successful Man Utd team. Although it's hard to be successful when one defender is too busy scoring own goals and getting wounded, and the other one moved like a 3 legged donkey trying to win the Kentucky Derby. Cheers guys.
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How fascinating it is to hear all this from one of the true legends of the game, also a FA Cup Winner for Manchester United. I wish the internet warriors of today would've seen this great player at his peak, a phenomenal player!
Giles is a walking encyclopaedia...could listen to him for days...I find his stories and perspectives on players more interesting than the rubbish on TV that’s allowed pass now for the beautiful game
Well said. Giles is the ultimate authority on the game. All the more reason to question why RTE allowed him to walk away when he was on the panel...or was he pushed ?
Loved listening to this - LOVED LOVED LOVED John Giles.
Giles is the king, what a player he was
Great episode,love listening to the opinion of a Legend.
Truth Talker That’s your opinion Mr Trump.
@Truth Talker if you think that you either (a) dont actually listen to what he says or (b) you listen to too many negative generic comments by other begrudgers or (c) you never played the game yourself. J G was one of the best midfielders in England over the last 60 years. His football philosophy is layed out on the programme regularly and his is a simple, uncomplicated, no nonsense one. Just because he has been around a long time doesnt mean he is irrelevant.
@Truth Talker I'd say you are great company and a charming man! Maybe a substandard argument but at least an argument. Pal!
@Truth Talker you said nothing of substance
Yep...the perfect team. Great quote.....Best was a Genius & The Most Gifted Player Ever.
Imagine John Giles and Roy Keane as a midfield duo .🔥
I would have to include Bryan Robson
The best most complete central midfielder I have ever seen.
He could pass and score like Scholes, tackle/defend/run into the box and lead the team like Keane.
Out of all of the Manchester United players I have seen he would be the first player on the team sheet.
I totally agree with you Much I Love Scholes Robo is a different class.
I tend to agree. Bryan Robson was world class & was the heartbeat of Man Utd for many many years.
When I think about the years he gave our club 81-94. The tireless dedication and devotion, coming back an endless stream of injuries. All this while he could have gone to Liverpool and won a European cup, or left us during the mid 80's for a Juventus or Milan ( which there was rumor of this happening ) it almost brings tears to my eyes.
He gave so much, for so long, he gave his heart/soul/body to United. I am just glad he won two Premier League titles before he left for Middlesborough
Spot on. What a player Robbo was. Captain and first name on the team sheet.
I'm Irish and I love Keane but robbo was the greatest captain and midfielder we ever had.
John Giles top man, love listining to him on off the ball,
Stam and vidic together would be unbelievable viewing.
That midfield 3 he picked is spectacular
Legend on and off the field
Good selection. Very different from the usual predictable selections
I think its a good selection. I can see where the modern players I've lived through fit in to that team. Cantona and Rooney replace Best and Law. Scholes, Keane the same. Stam, Vidic the same. Irwin the same but I'd pick Neville RB. I'd replace Charlton with Giggs or Beckham. I personally think Beckham was the better player but its a very close call. 433: Schmeichel, Neville, Stam, Vidic, Irwin, Beckham,Scholes, Keane, Rooney, Ronaldo, Cantona.
Great team from Johnny Giles. Tough calls but spot on. Especially Irwin at right back - probably the best RB in the Premier League era. Never understand why Gary Neville is usually ahead of him in people's PL all-time teams - I guess because he never made a fuss, just quietly brilliant every week.
Rburgbaby probably cos he played most of his united career at left back
Did Neville "make a fuss"?
You watching the wrong MU team, mate.
Dennis Irvine played LB. I will pick Patrick Evra over Irvine, on attacking quality.
Denis Irwin switched to left back when Paul Parker arrived. He played both left and right back when Phil Neville broke into the team. Usualy left but not exclusively. Denis Irwin would be my starting all time xi man u right back. Evra would be left back.
Totally agree about Scholes, as for Georgie Best, greatest player ever seen at his peak!! Genius!!
Great that johny...and i totally agee with your views .and bobby was my hero as a kid..and you was the kingpin of a great leeds side
Best was on a different level, unplayable.
@@Steaks652 Rowdy Best is the greatest player of alltime!
@@Steaks652 GEORGE BEST WOW! The best of them all!
@@johnhughes8466 , the most naturally gifted player I ever seen, most of his talents not captured on T.V. no gimmicks with George, just unbelievable, there is no one ever that I would rather see play, an entertainer who didn't need to dive and roll over fir decisions, he stayed on his feet and put the ball in the net. R.I.P. George Best.
Bobby Charlton over 250 goals for Man Utd from midfield. Now that’s impressive
What man john giles is would love to meet him some time
Cian o sul i met him once he is an absolute gentleman
Spot on about the England midfield debate,scholes was the main man but the two so called golden boys got the choice positions,hence exit every tournament early.
John is great here especially re Scholes and Lampard/Gerrard. Liverpool fan here but loved this
So you are saying Scholes was better than both good one. I loved Gerrard tbh
Roy Keane would be my first name on the Team sheet and he would be Captain.
Always happy to listen to former reds chatting. Great stuff
Very good selection considering the breadth of quality.
Charlton had to be in there for the reasons Johnny gave!
To me the front three was a perfect 👍 selection!
Law and Best could play in wet conditions when others couldn't.
Ronaldo was exceptional with either foot or head.
Stam was pretty much the complete centre half. He was good in the air, strong, fast, great tackler, had a decent touch, and could play out. Oh, and it was pretty funny that Giles put Ronaldo in the team. He said it himself, but if I remember correctly he and Dunphy, and perhaps Brady at times, gave Ronaldo absolute dogs abuse when he was at Man U.
There should be honorable mention of Paul McGrath.
He was the center of United's defence during the 1980's when we were only winning cups not leagues.
He had everything, pace, strength and something that is underrated the ability to read the game.
Vidic couldn't contain Torres yet alone Maradona the way McGrath did.
He is also the main reason why Ian Rush never scored against us during the 1980's, which when you think about it is amazing.
Vidic played against torres 14 times and only conceded three goals to him, on of those goals was his own mistake. He also scored 2 goals himself in those 14 games
@@NotMe-el3hg I never suggested Vidic wasn't worthy of a place in an all time Manchester United.
There are defenders who defended as well and did more; his partner Ferdinand who would venture up field and was as good defender as Vidic was.
McGrath is not mentioned by anyone. A very underrated defender who had a brief but very successful Manchester United career was Ronny Johnson.
If you are not counting McGrath in an all time Ferguson team because I think his peak was pre 1986. I would rank Johnson, after Stam/Ferdinand/Vidic as the fourth best central defender. He had everything, height, strength, pace, he could play in mid field. He was better than Bruce and Pallister, they had long glorious careers but Johnson was better than both of them.
@@briansukhu4392 vidic was always better then Ferdinand, u take vidic away and Ferdinand wasnt near as good where as I believe u could play anyone beside vidic and he would still be as good
@@NotMe-el3hg i know Ferdinand needed a real stoppet alongside him.
Remember he did well for us alongside; Brown/Silvestre, and for England Campbell and Terry
Bang On - he won everything in the air and was such a good passer he played in midfield well over a hundred times in his career,,, Schmeichel, Irwin, Evra,McGrath, Stam, Keane, Scholes, Charlton, Giggs, Law... and Rashford - i really think he will be that good.
I’d also have picked VIDIC & STAM as United’s best central defenders although Rio was a class act & not far behind. An honourable mention to Paul McGrath, Martin Buchan & Gordon McQueen. ( all great central defenders in their own right for United), albeit from a less successful era.
A Vidic and Stam partnership would be horrible. Too similar of players. Ferdinand partnering with one of them gives a proper ball player, or else you will have to rely on one of the midfielders coming very, very deep.
Interesting selection and a very strong one. I am surprised that as an Irishman the genius Paul McGrath didn't get into the team perhaps ahead of Vidic but he didn't.
Paul McGrath is infact English - bourn in London.
@@johnbradley349 Yes I know, but he was born in England so is classed as British, he then would have had to apply for an Irish Passport as he was born outside Ireland so he will be duel nationality - but given where you are born determined what nationality you are he is more British than Irish.
@@johnbradley349 Is this your Irish 3rd world education kicking in again kid?
Where an animal was born doesnt determine its species.
However if that dog was born in say New York in that barn then the dog would be American.
Really dont see why you are getting so triggered by some basic facts.
@@johnbradley349 Hes duel nationality son, just like 50% of U2 and others.
Ask yourself why he didnt play his career in Ireland son.
@@mrfrisky2997 Where a person follows their career bears no connection with their nationality. Or is Messi Spanish now?..........Just let it go.....You're simply digging a bigger hole...;-)
Hard to disagree with those selections, think Paul McGrath May give vidic a run for his money and very difficult to leave out Bryan Robson. The trinity had to get in. Those 3 today would be priceless
John Giles I love this guy he can never be beat with the radio I can’t even contradict the words I would share with him
Great conversation and interview.
There really, REALLY, should have been an honourable mention for Edwin van der Sar
Didn't get past the adverts. Talking about helping the community whilst showing Paddy Power on the screen. Lol.
Denis Irwin.....A managers dream
Duncan Edwards was the greatest player to ever to grace Old Traford
Charlton, in his time incomparable.
The programme should start with the front 3, or manage its time better, Johnny hardly got any time to talk about Denis Law.
Roy Keane all day long best midfielder in Premier League history if Roy Keane was English they would have the World Cup won at least twice he won't need Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard just Paul Scholes Keane and Scholes could play together
The way Giles talk about Charlton makes it seem like he was a selfish player . But from what i have seen from his world cup 66 matches on youtube . Charlton was a lot like in scholes they he would sit deep and mainly control the midfield with his passing .
I am surprised Giles never talks about his passing abilities and vision because it was up there with scholes and he could beat players like Gazza .
Charlton was really a cross between scholes and Gazza and he was better than both . Englands best player and up there with maradonna , pele messi , cryuff etc.
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It is ALMOST like he knows more that you about the subject. Insane arrogance from John Giles there.
@@paulmallon9292 Giles only played with Charlton when charlton was a winger .
As charlton got older he played as a deep play maker and was very scholes like in his play. Giles had long left man united when charlton was playing as a deep play maker.
@@greengrass811 So he played with him? Interesting. Would training be involved there too? I just need to know because his arrogance on this topic is frankly unbelievable. He needs a good talking to.
Charlton biggest asset was his balance, equal on any foot. He moved like a snake
John Giles Robson was there during
Ferguson; 86-94
Atkinson; 81-86
He played during Ferguson longer at United than Atkinson
Yeah but United were a team rebuilding . Robson played before Beckham , Scholes, Giggs , Cantona and a very short time with Keane . Gazza reckons Robson was the best player he ever played with . Gazza played with scholes, barnes, waddle ,sheare , lineker, brian laudruup etc.
Even Giles says himself Robson was as good as Keane but he picked Keane because Robson played in a much inferior team to Keane .
Also i am glad Giles picked Bobby Charlton, because most football fans don't realise how good Bobby was . I told my friend today the team that Giles picked and he was shocked that he picked Bobby Charlton..
It seems most people are very ignorant about Charlton . Most football fans think he was an attacking midfielder like Gerrard who would score spectacular goals . But he was so much more than that , he could pass the ball and dictate the game like scholes and he could goes past players like Gazza.
Beckenbauer reckoned he was better than Cryuff and Pele . Says he was the best player he ever played against. Jimmy Greaves reckoned he was the best play maker he had ever seen- He quite simply is Man United's greatest ever player.
@@greengrass811 in my opinion Robson was better than Keane, not by much at all; a very small margin.
Robson was 10 out of 10, Keane 9 or 9.5. Robson was quicker scored more goals and had slightly better dead ball ability. Saying all of this I loved Keane I have immense admiration for him. He did everything expected of a central midfielder, captain and more.
The fact that Robson played in a weaker team should not count against him. If anything at times he was carrying us during the 80's.
Taking into consideration of the above is why I would place Robson ahead of Scholes. He scored as much goals as Scholes, perhaps not the deft touch of Scholes but he was a good enough passer to perform that role in the team.
I was growing up during the 1980's I knew Robson was our hero and carried the team, during the 90's while marvelling at Keane and being in awe of the teams Ferguson was building and rebuilding, I was able to look back at Robson's career with a much greater knowledge of the game and his subsequent impact on the team.
Taking into consideration Gilles age, he was at an age when Robson was at his pomp to observe and appreciate his impact more than I was able to during the 1980's.
Everyone says while all time great Charlton was so I would simply go along with what the experts say.
Robson kept getting injuries under ferguson. Keane was much younger and would hardly miss a game. Ferguson placed a lot of importance on players being available as much as possible
@@wannaseesomestuff Robson did get a lot of injuries but that didn't prevent him from having a 13 year career.
I would place him ahead of Scholes not Keane, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
Keane was a great player in some great (United) teams, Robson was a great player in some poor United teams, but when he played you was never out of the game and realised how much he lifted those around him, when Robson was not injured and playing you always had a chance, he could carry the team with him.
Ronaldo, Law and Best. What a front three!
Spot on. One of the few knowledgeable enough to know that Dennis Irwin is right footed and better than Gary Neville. I'd have Patrice Evra over Tony Dunne, for more modern attacking options. Bryan Robson over Paul Scholes, but John Giles makes a very convincing case. And probably Van Nistelrooy instead of Dennis Law, but it's marginal. And maybe Martin Buchan!
tgtips Matin Buchan was indeed an accomplished classy central defender of International class who was comfortable with either foot.
Van Nistleroy couldn't wash Denis Law's jock strap!
Have you ever seen Denis Law Play? I doubt it or you would have never made such a ridiculous comment
great footballers both
Would swop Vidic for Mcgrath, Dunne for Robson, Law for Van Nistelrooy. Brilliant analysis from Giles regarding Scholes and the England team, have always thought exactly the same. He was also spot on when comparing Vidic and Ferdinand, always thought Vidic was a far superior defender out of the pair. When you think about the players left out, Cantona, Beckham, Giggs etc I think you could pick 2 Utd teams, and both of them would be as good as any other teams best 11
I would agree with the majority of this team.
On the centre back positions, I can see why he chose the 2 he did. I too always rated Vidic above Ferdinand. Yeah Ferdinand was the better on the ball, but in terms of defensive qualities, reading of the game and attitude Vidic was the better player. I always felt too that Vidic improved Ferdinand as a player, Ferdinand as good as he was, did have this tendency to occasionally switch off in big moments, and needed Vidic who was a big character and leader alongside him, to keep him focused. Vidic was the glue that held that Man Utd defence together for me.
Stam too was a leader from the back, and as tough as they come. To ask weather he and Vidic could play together is laughable, these 2 would scare the life out of opposition attackers.
I can see why he left Giggs out too, yes in terms of longevity Giggs has better careers for United than Ronaldo or Best, but in terms of absolute best for United, Ronaldo and Best where on another level in terms of the talent they had.
Only position I’d maybe query a little is Evra at left back, but it’s a close call that one.
Robson = Colossus. Best ive seen, how much to buy him in todays market? £200m. Turned down Juventus to stay loyal. I started supporting United because of Robson, so influential, just the man
Lyndsey Wood I’d have Bryan Robson in my team all day long maybe at the expense of Scholes, I don’t know. Robson was slightly better than Keane.
I couldn't agree with you more
@@galtongabriel1172 totally agree
You are right, Robson was that good, some of what he said about Bobby Charlton could be ascribed to Robson in that he won the ball back and could do it all on his own. Robson is my original hero really. Robson was that good!
I like his team, SCHMEICHEL, IRWIN, STAM, VIDIC, DUNNE, SCHOLES, KEANE, CHARLTON, RONALDO, BEST and LAW
I think it is a phenomenon selection, well balanced and would be strong and could do damage.
Mine would be, SCHMEICHEL, WAN BISSAKA, STAM, BUCHAN, IRWIN, BEST, CHARLTON, EDWARDS, GIGGS, CANTONA and VAN NISTELROOY
It would look like a four four two when starting but there would be so many dimensions to it that it would be its own beast, my back five would be virtually impregnable, the six ahead of those offers various ferocious threats and which could keep the ball and offer protection and would be impossible to defend against.
don't agree. best law Charlton brilliant though they were didn't win anywhere near as many trophies as the likes of Rooney Ronaldo Giggs etc .ps no way Dunne was a better player than ever.
evra
@@andyhalstead3949 I don't agree with Dunne being better than Evra but neither are my top United fullbacks. Ronaldo and Rooney are both good but I can't see how they did any better. Giggs, Ronaldo and Rooney didn't win more trophies than the better trio of Best, Law and Charlton playing together.
might be an idea to make a list of trophies won
@@andyhalstead3949 yeah you do that it would be good
His analysis about Scholes was right.... controlling midfield was somethin England never had with gerrard and lampard, that's no disrespect to them but both started as midfielders but realistically they wer off the cuff attackin midfielders, they couldn't control a midfield. England needed a proper dm to play alongside Scholes and then gerrard or Lampard bein the goalscorer from midfield.... and 4 united he's in my top 3 greatest ever
Finally someone picking Vidic over Rio....
Why don't you do an all-time Everton team? Giles played against Everton in the 60s when we were one of the biggest clubs in country and had great players (2 league titles: 62-63 & 69-70; and an FA Cup: 66; 2 world cup winners: Alan Ball and Ray Wilson; England's best player of the 1970 World Cup: Brian Labone).
Everton always get air brushed from history -- I partly blame the Sky generation who think football began in 1992.
Dunne was brilliant as was Shay Brennan at right back wonderful players.
Great selection from Giles in all fairness - would have had Ferdinand, Neville, Robson and Rooney in there myself but United have such a rich history of great players it's impossible for it not to come down to personal preference.
So, lay out your team eh? Love to see who you would drop to accommodate those four.
Switch Irwin to LB, Neville in at RB. Swap Vidic with Rio and Scholes for Robson. Rooney instead of Law. I think that’d be a bit more balanced as a team.
@@thealolansurfer really? Dunne as you heard John say was the best full back for ten years. I will give you Ferdinand and possibly Robson but there is no way Law can be out of a greatest Utd team since 1960. His goal ratio was also streets ahead of Rooney.
@@thealolansurfer Rooney for Law.... for God sake do you know how good Law was? European footballer of the year and that was when he was playing ( and up against) Charlton and Best.
@@thealolansurfer no way can Scholes be left out of a best ever Utd team
Scmeichel Irwin Stam Edwards Buchan,
Scholes Robson Charlton, Ronaldo Law Best
In my lifetime:
Schmeichel, Neville, Rio, Stam, Irwin, Keane, Scholes, Robson, Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney
Historically:
Schmeichel, Neville, Stam, Rio, Irwin, Best, Keane, Charlton, Giggs, Law, Ronaldo
It's so difficult as we've had so many great players. Leaving players out like McGrath, Cantona, VDS, Meredith, Edwards, Violet, Foulkes, Stiles, Taylor, Beckham, Stepney, Kanchelskis, RVN, RVP, Pallister, etc is not easy.
Good shout.
from the type of centre halve that J.G. likes, thinking back, a little surprised he didn't go for Paul McGrath (perhaps in place of Staam as he seemed to favor Vidic)
So fair Jonny Roy legend
Can't really argue with this selection. Best Law and Charlton had to be in. Cristiano is one of the top 5 players ever. Scholes is my all time favourite player and he was revered by his peers on the continent but for whatever reason his country didn't always grasp what they had and played him in positions that didn't serve the team best. Roy in his prime was a sight to behold. Irwin was Mr consistency who could strike a dead ball wonderfully but in this team Cristiano would be hard to get the ball from but i'd play Dennis at left back just edging Evra out of the team. Stam getting sold ruined a whole summer for me because he was that good so he would make my team. Big Pete is a no brainer so my only changes would be to play Rio instead of Vidic due to Rio's ability to bring the ball out and get an attack going and Neville would get the right back slot but I have a feeling that Wan Bissaka might go on to be special things once he learns to attack better because I have never seen anyone boss left wingers as well as this lad, he is a phenomenon at dispossessing the opposition - time will tell. If I had to name five subs they would be Vidic, Giggs, Rooney, Robson and Van Nistlerooy and if you pushed me for sub a keeper then DDG just edges EVS
2 Corkonians. Thats about right
Who are ye doin next arsenal? Everton ?
Top 4 clubs only
Kieran Duggan is that actually true because one of them said there doing leeds to
The selections are since 1965 so Everton and Arsenal would probably be in the top 4.
We can blame Sven for scholes/gerrard/lampard disorganisation, Sven was smoking a cigar just picking up his pay packet rather than making any big decisions. Would have gone with scholes and gerrard as midfield pair and found a natural left midfielder even if with less ability for balance. Maybe even played lampard as a forward/no.10 not midfield
Good ol John
Peter schemical....Gary Neville vidic Bruce Denis Irwin.... Ronaldo giggs scholes Keane....Rooney George best.
Charlton was a much better player than Rooney.
No jese lingardinho????
No mention either of Chris Smalldini cant believe it
Phil Jones?
What a suprise he picks celts ove English, Forget the past >>
Say.. 4 Reds fans begin an easy conversation re their best 11 United team.. I'm in earshot only I don't hang about.. Outta the bar and into the lounge.. The conversation will inevitably go south.. Names expletives.. Narky bad form.. Take it from those whose clubs had nothing much to compare to United's array of talent.. That's why its so tough to choose. C. O. Y. I.
I always thought he was very anti man utd, good choice. People forget how good Stam was, I think for balance Rio would be better than Vidic, Robbo instead of Keane again balance in the centre Robbo was mainly a leftie. Great team though
Dunne for Robson you having a laugh
Schmichel, Irwin, Dunne, Stam, Vidic, Keane, Scholes, Best, Law, Charlton, Cantona
I've been thinking about this and. although I never saw him play, Bobby Charlton reckons Duncan Edwards is the best player he ever played with. So replace Vidic with Edwards.
Roy Keane keeps out Robson 😲
Quality opinion from a quality player hoghead 04-20
Eric Cantona should be in the mix
Can't watch adverts to long
Should get John to do an Ireland 11
Given
Irwin McGrath dunne finnen
Kilbane keane Townsend duff
Keane Quinn
Given
Carr, McGrath, Moran, Irwin,
Duff, Giles, Keane, Brady,
Keane, Stapleton.
@@djoseph5072 Good side that. Mine. Given irwin Staunton mcgrath o leary Keane Brady giles duff Keane Aldridge. 4 3 3. Houghton whelan unlucky to miss out
@@michaelmulhall5007 Nice. Spoilt for choice in the full back positions. As a Liverpool supporter very tough for me to leave out Finnan or Staunton, nothing in it really but I always rated Carr. Would loved to have put Heighway in as a winger as well but I couldn't look past the midfield I chose (all superstars) and Brady would have been well suited for a wide role. Chose Moran for his toughness. One of my favourites from those days.
@@djoseph5072 Brady for me is Irelands greatest ever player played huge roles for juve when seria a was the best league in the world by a mile. Giles or Keane number 2 and 3 In any order then mcgrath. I love ronnie whelan was a great player for Liverpool especially in the 80s and captain too for alot of that, but couldn't pick him ahead giles Keane or Brady.
Rooney wasn't a great for utd and wasn't a great for England despite all the goals. Too much money and lost the hunger. He only had one good tournament for england when he first burst on the scene, I think it was Euro 2004
No Pooney or Beckham , and quite right too.
Get rid of that ad about Diouf and Heskey. It’s offensive.
Djemba djemba for me should be there with Pogba
Rio should be there
A shame there is no place for Cantona,,,,without him United would have won F.A.
Where's Eric djembe djembe? Or jordi cruyff.....
Bellion??
Gary Birtles, Diego Forlan and Alan Brazil up front.
@@GHOSTDOG637 Peter Davenport
Ralph Milne?
Just behind World Cup winner Kleberson.
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Interesting team
Best United XII but we'll only talk about 10. Sloppy from Nathan. John just managed to squeeze in a token comment on Denis Law. Some XII tbf 👍
Only one I'd disagree with is Robson for Keane. And possibly Ferdinand for Stam. Otherwise spot on.
The gay mamzer talking lies in the breaks
Haven’t watched yet but
Schmeical
Irwin Vidic Stam Evra
Keane Robson Scholes
Ronaldo Rooney Best
Bored Everton fan
So Joe, you leave the best English player of all time out of this team in Bobby Charlton....
Mr Frisky I never seen him play which was the only reason
@@joebriggs8106 But you have Best in and he played in the same team as Law and Charlton- all 3 were European Footballer of the Year as well.
Mr Frisky I’m not saying Charlton shouldn’t be in I just picked from the players I’ve seen and I’ve seen more of best than Charlton, remember I’m not a United fan
@@joebriggs8106 Combine it with Everton and you could sneak Tony Cottee in.
Giles forgotten about Inzaghi
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Paul McGrath was better than both Stam and Vidic
Giggs?
Don’t watch, just a bloody advert.
No places for Giggs and Rooney? Come off it
Schmeichel. Irwin. Ferdinand stam. Evra. Beckham keane Scholes giggs Cantona van nistelrooy
Really??? Rubbish
Never heard of him says lot really
One the great great players of the 70s look him up educate yourself
Michael Mulhall don’t need to if I never heard of him then he nobody way he talks bout football he has no clue
@@acehunter1153 What a pathetic opinion
Jamston Julian how is it don’t like it my opinion who cares
Never heard of him and u call your self a football fan
To not have Rooney in shows how confused aul John is
No, I think you are confused or never saw football before the Premier League. Who would you drop Law, Best, Ronaldo? Rooney wasnt as good as those guys. And a sly ageist dig at the great man.
Denis Law had a better goals to game ratio than Rooney.
237 in 404 compared to 253 in 559
Rooney was totally overrated.
Rooney was great but i cant disrespect a man goin all the way back to 1965... respect to the guy
@@RedClayFH fair point.
Nostalgia bias at it's worst. Here is indeed the best 11 team you could field from every Utd player......
De Gea - Lack of titles due to playing in a team struggling to make top 5. Had Jones and Smalling in front of him in his prime
Valencia and Evra on RB and LB respectively. However I'm fine with people picking Irwin though.
CB's - Staam and Vidic
Midfield 3 of Carrick, Scholes and Pogba
Front three of Ronaldo, Van Nistelrooy and Rooney
Going to get flamed for some of these picks, Pogba especially. From a technical standpoint, Pogba is truly gifted and is the epitome of the modern day footballer. I just happen to believe that football is played to a higher standard today. This midfield would be able to pass their way through, with a lot of power and goals up front.
Giggs didn't pass well enough to get into this midfield. Keane is massively overrated and does nothing better than anyone of those three in midfield except get red cards and miss critical matches. You could potentially make a case for Cantona, Di Maria is another supreme who had great vision, but lacked strength and didn't enjoy UK, Berbatov was technically brilliant but went missing at times, and not just the odd game, sometimes a month or two.
Van Nistelrooy only won 1 league at Utd because the team had too many holes to dominate. That clown Barthez was more interested in playing outfield and trying to bluff offsides, Blanc was about 50, and even guys like Phil Neville, O'shea, and Quinton fortune were starting matches. Ronaldo was like 18 and didn't understand when to pass, and a lot of other players were below their best. Gary Neville made the case that he didn't think RVN was good for the team at the time, probably because he had a team of either OAP's around him or greens.
De gea gets in goal because without him we would have been relegation candidates during the Moyes and LVG years. VDS and PS had real defenders in front of them, De Gea basically had a championship partnership in front of him. Will not be talked about in Man Utd's history, because he never played in a successful Man Utd team. Although it's hard to be successful when one defender is too busy scoring own goals and getting wounded, and the other one moved like a 3 legged donkey trying to win the Kentucky Derby.
Cheers guys.
The guy has no clue what he talking Bout
Medication time
Rowdy Yates ?
You are an idiot of the highest order!