Mostly agree with the tier list. As a new player, the stormcasts' ease of painting is heavily countered by range bloat and their visual sameness obscures which belong to what sub faction. I'd have to knock them down a tier to high A rank. Seraphon have options, but everything is visually intuitive so that a new player doesn't need to see a warscroll to know skinks are skirmishers, for instance. I think nighthaunt are one step above the Seraphon, since they're even simpler to paint. Almost everything is an invisible man in a burlap sack.
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I'd rate stormcast lower. easy to paint sure, but too many units to choose from, which is overwhelming for new players, and they're updated too often, by the time a new player gets a 2k army together there will be half an army of new stormcast units out and the right units to play with will have changed completely.
Very good points and something we didn't consider, I think it's very difficult to get anything like this right with the ever evolving hobby we have and of course so many different things to consider and we are all different in what we look for in an army.
Nah man, it's totally Gitz, they have a stoner unit that gets worse the more sober it is, if you can't have fun with a unit like that, you really have a stick somewhere it doesn't belong lol
awesome video i haven't started yet have to pick an army i was looking for a vid like this but it made it harder lol before seeing this i loved the s and a tier you had was leaning towards them so a lot more thinking to do thanks guys i've been leaning towards Ossiarch Bonereapers they just look so good
Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the aos community, I'd definitely go with your heart on which army you like the look of over anything else, the points in the video are just something else to potentially consider. Bonereapers are deffo a lot of fun
Soulblight were my first this year and i got into them right as the new book came. It was pretty tough to learn the rules along with learning the army. But i mean hey if you're new and vampires are your thing. DEFINITELY pick them over playing an easier army. Legion of night and blood are tons of fun. EDIT (I started in 2023 i forgot its alright February 2024 lmao)
By first this year do you mean first army ever? If so, welcome to the hobby if not, still welcome...For any new player I'd always say go with your heart over what's easiest to get into but I think it's always worth figuring out all of the pros and cons if you are someone who is torn between armies.
@Hedonite awesome.... how is the army coming along? If you are on discord please feel free to come and join ours, we have spaces there where followers can post their work, would love to see what you've done so far
SCE are an easy army in order to learn the rules, not at all the easiest in order to play and win against competitive list, lot of 2nd hand and easier model to collect are actually BAD, every battleline are low-grades ones, the only easy part is that they don't need a lot of augmentations. but what part is difficult into IDK a part placing your army wisely ? the gameplay is always the same, at 3rd push the buton and execute order 66. NH are really easier to play : just huge a death star, the spells sequence are strait forward like a lot of army in the game same. In SCE, lot of units are noob traps to collect.
Thank you for your comment.... with stormcast how competitive or good the warscrolls are wasn't much of a consideration.... just purely ease to get hold of cheaply, quite easy to build and paint, robust for transporting and very forgiving as a base warscroll goes... as for idk, I always found them fragile a d quite highly detailed for total noob, I feel that mistakes in game punish you quite hard with them too and I'd consider tge deployment game as a more advanced thing that you'd pick up and perfect later after learning the basic game and army mechanics... I think the main thing is always go with your heart on an army than just what's easiest to get into as it's quite subjective and opinions will deffo vary.
I don't understand your justifaction for Cities of sigmar being D tier but Stormcast being S? They're both humans in armour. Are they not both very similar to paint?
Cities minis (newer ones in particular) are generally smaller in scale and more detailed so makes them hypothetically harder to paint whereas stormcast could be done in a spray and a wash, stormcast model range is more readily available for cheap prices on the second hand market due to being in starter sets and magazines, Cities range is extremely vast with a lot of older model ranges which could be confusing to a complete noob and stormcast generally are a good mix of Power output and resilience allowing the player to make learning mistakes and it not cost them the game whereas Cities are more fragile and mistakes generally could be more costly.... just a few things we discussed about the 2 factions
Why are there never time stamps on these types of videos. Can you not edit stamps so I dont have to listen to endless talk about armies I'm not interested in.
Time stamps is definitely something that can be done but it for us it goes against what the video is trying to achieve, as the video is aimed at beginners picking a first army or someone less experienced picking a new army the only real benefit to that person is to watch the whole video.
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Timestamps!
02:59 - Cities of Sigmar (D)
06:33 - Fyreslayers (A)
10:05 - Idoneth Deepkin (C)
13:44 - Daughters of Khaine (A)
18:40 - Kharadron Overlords (B)
22:30 - Lumineth Realm-lords (C)
24:48 - Seraphon (S)
28:18 - Stormcast Eternals (S)
31:43 - Sylvaneth (B)
37:25 - Ossiarch Bonereapers (A)
39:39 - Flesh-Eater Courts (B)
42:44 - Nighthaunt (S)
44:19 - Soulblight Gravelords (D)
Part 2 (Chaos & Destruction) - th-cam.com/video/Y_LJAOXP48Y/w-d-xo.html
Mostly agree with the tier list. As a new player, the stormcasts' ease of painting is heavily countered by range bloat and their visual sameness obscures which belong to what sub faction. I'd have to knock them down a tier to high A rank. Seraphon have options, but everything is visually intuitive so that a new player doesn't need to see a warscroll to know skinks are skirmishers, for instance. I think nighthaunt are one step above the Seraphon, since they're even simpler to paint. Almost everything is an invisible man in a burlap sack.
Great video, haven't played AoS yet so very handy!
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed
Thank you for this video. I found it very help full
Thank you for watching and you comment, we always say if something we make helps just 1 person then it was worth doing so your comment means a lot to us.
I'd rate stormcast lower. easy to paint sure, but too many units to choose from, which is overwhelming for new players, and they're updated too often, by the time a new player gets a 2k army together there will be half an army of new stormcast units out and the right units to play with will have changed completely.
Very good points and something we didn't consider, I think it's very difficult to get anything like this right with the ever evolving hobby we have and of course so many different things to consider and we are all different in what we look for in an army.
They're also very difficult to play decently tbh
The book bloat is definitely a negative which might masquerade as a positive for new players that aren't familiar with GW games
Really tough army to play well, and have to be really careful with low model count.
Actually the models are very specific for what they do. They should do okay in any meta. I’ve painted 2 stormcast and a box of kruelboyz
Thanks for the vid! My first AoS army is Seraphon and I'm doing a little research for my second. Very likely to choose Ossiarch Bonereapers.
Thank you for the comment, hope you are liking aos so far, both seraphon and ossiarch are great armies ....
Well as a new AoS player (only have done 2 games) i think ironjawz are the easiest army to start with.
First off welcome to the aos community, hope you are enjoying it.
I won't spoil part 2 for you lol😂
Nah man, it's totally Gitz, they have a stoner unit that gets worse the more sober it is, if you can't have fun with a unit like that, you really have a stick somewhere it doesn't belong lol
awesome video i haven't started yet have to pick an army i was looking for a vid like this but it made it harder lol before seeing this i loved the s and a tier you had was leaning towards them so a lot more thinking to do thanks guys i've been leaning towards Ossiarch Bonereapers they just look so good
Thanks for the kind words and welcome to the aos community, I'd definitely go with your heart on which army you like the look of over anything else, the points in the video are just something else to potentially consider. Bonereapers are deffo a lot of fun
@@dazmaulwargaming Awesome thank you very much can't wait to start
Thanks for making this!
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed
Soulblight were my first this year and i got into them right as the new book came. It was pretty tough to learn the rules along with learning the army. But i mean hey if you're new and vampires are your thing. DEFINITELY pick them over playing an easier army. Legion of night and blood are tons of fun.
EDIT (I started in 2023 i forgot its alright February 2024 lmao)
By first this year do you mean first army ever? If so, welcome to the hobby if not, still welcome...For any new player I'd always say go with your heart over what's easiest to get into but I think it's always worth figuring out all of the pros and cons if you are someone who is torn between armies.
@@dazmaulwargaming first for AoS. Thank you!!
@Hedonite awesome.... how is the army coming along? If you are on discord please feel free to come and join ours, we have spaces there where followers can post their work, would love to see what you've done so far
@@dazmaulwargaming I totally should. Have about 3k points of soulblight. 🖤🦇🩸(I'm still salty about blood knights and kastelai being quite shite)
@@dazmaulwargaminglink to the disc? Can't find any links. I'd love to join c:
SCE are an easy army in order to learn the rules, not at all the easiest in order to play and win against competitive list, lot of 2nd hand and easier model to collect are actually BAD, every battleline are low-grades ones, the only easy part is that they don't need a lot of augmentations. but what part is difficult into IDK a part placing your army wisely ? the gameplay is always the same, at 3rd push the buton and execute order 66. NH are really easier to play : just huge a death star, the spells sequence are strait forward like a lot of army in the game same. In SCE, lot of units are noob traps to collect.
Thank you for your comment.... with stormcast how competitive or good the warscrolls are wasn't much of a consideration.... just purely ease to get hold of cheaply, quite easy to build and paint, robust for transporting and very forgiving as a base warscroll goes... as for idk, I always found them fragile a d quite highly detailed for total noob, I feel that mistakes in game punish you quite hard with them too and I'd consider tge deployment game as a more advanced thing that you'd pick up and perfect later after learning the basic game and army mechanics... I think the main thing is always go with your heart on an army than just what's easiest to get into as it's quite subjective and opinions will deffo vary.
I don't understand your justifaction for Cities of sigmar being D tier but Stormcast being S? They're both humans in armour. Are they not both very similar to paint?
Cities minis (newer ones in particular) are generally smaller in scale and more detailed so makes them hypothetically harder to paint whereas stormcast could be done in a spray and a wash, stormcast model range is more readily available for cheap prices on the second hand market due to being in starter sets and magazines, Cities range is extremely vast with a lot of older model ranges which could be confusing to a complete noob and stormcast generally are a good mix of Power output and resilience allowing the player to make learning mistakes and it not cost them the game whereas Cities are more fragile and mistakes generally could be more costly.... just a few things we discussed about the 2 factions
Why are there never time stamps on these types of videos. Can you not edit stamps so I dont have to listen to endless talk about armies I'm not interested in.
Time stamps is definitely something that can be done but it for us it goes against what the video is trying to achieve, as the video is aimed at beginners picking a first army or someone less experienced picking a new army the only real benefit to that person is to watch the whole video.
@@dazmaulwargamingright, but I'm new and can tell in the first minute or 2 if the army doesn't appeal to me