Quick tip to help G-Force sensation: Attach the belts to a fixed base on the floor not moving with the DBox. When you get pushed forward when braking, the belts will tighten up. same thing for lateral g force, just inverse the left and right strap in a cross pattern so when you turn right for example, he left strap will tighten up. shout out to Boosted Media for the tip
First of all welcome back @Biroo, nice to See you back in Simracing, I knew it, that you will come back sooners or later 😁 To further increase the Immersion you can also use an active belt tensioner like the Gbelt or PT Actuator Belt tensioner. For me personally I would Rate an active belt tensioner higher than Motion in terms of immersion. Can‘t wait to see you moving into the new House and Build a new Rig.
@@Biroo I am personally using the PT Belt tensioner, which Runs with the SRS Software which is not as much as Advanced as the Sim Commander Software for the gbelt. For now it only has sway, surge and heave effect, but I Know a lot of people using the gbelt and they are stunned by it. In the end it only tightens with the two belts around your shoulders and it is no g force what you feel, but it triggers your brain in that way, which is why I won‘t Miss it anymore. I‘d rather give up on Motion, than on the belt, but everything combined, especially in VR is the absolute experience.
Gosh, Biro! Can't wait to race with you again, man! Most fun sim racing moment to this day still is the "Goodwood Hillclimb" you put together! Great seeing some videos!
Hey man great to see u back, I run a motion rig the system is called Sigma Integrale DK2, it’s awesome and I’m coming from a DBox gen5, and the experience is practically the same for a fraction of the price, it’s worth a look mate
That’s a good suggestion! I heard of Sigma Integrale. What I realized while trying my friend’s setup is that we’re all quite different in what feels right when it comes to track and car feedback
@@Biroo yes I 100% agree, I had the same system as your mate originally, the problem I had with that system is VR tracking was a nightmare using my Varjo Aero as it uses base stations to track, I had nothing but issues form emi interference from the servo drives, I had to sell the system as it was unplayable, I suggest you do allot of research if u decide to go that root as I wish someone had advised me on these issues
I had a NLR V3, then I built the SFX-100 system. Tried them both together, but decided to move the V3 on and just use the actuators. Now I have also removed and sold my SFX system. I currently use a SimXperience G-belt combined with a high end tactile build. I much prefer my rig this way and am very happy that I've ended up with it this way.
@@Biroo I liked the V3 for what it was, I was happy with it. I had to try the SFX-100 build because it was just one of those things. I only sold the V3 because I did not think it was worth having them both together. In the end I had a few connectivity issues with the SFX (a number of things caused this, I think both from the system itself and perhaps my PC build as well) so I decided to be rid of it and go back to a static chassis. I do race competitively quite a lot and while I do love the immersion of these things, I actually feel much more comfortable driving the way the chassis is now compared to before. Motion was a nice side project to experience but I do feel I've made the correct decision to be back to a static cockpit.
@@anthcesana fair point. You see, for me the various motion factors help me with performance on track. For example how breaking feels on sections each lap helps me process how I perform. Feeling the level of leaning happening in a corner before loosing grip, having feedback when you lose traction. Now some of this stuff comes trough the wheel as well but various motion forces and vibrations in the rig helps amplify the feedback I need to get better with each lap.
@@adamlitchfield3371 I have 3 Clark TST 429s, 2 BK Concerts, 1 Earthquake Q10B and a pair of Dayton BST-2’s. Fully isolated (theoretically) from the rest of the chassis and then the chassis is also isolated from the floor with some heavy duty dampers that almost act as suspension.
Nice to see you back mate. I’m still rocking my nlrv3 but now with a g-belt and 12 transducers. Have tried a d-box and I would take my setup every time. I also moved from dd2 to simucube ha!
@@matthewscarborough4920 unfortunately i cant drill my seat because its a softshell... hw do you like the v3 + tensioner combination? if you would have to decide for only one, wich would it be?
Check out sigma integrale DK motion systems. They have a 2 inch and a 6 inch version and are very very professional! sim racing garage has reviews of the systems.
nice video and great to see you back, just a technical note the camera is slow to focus on most of scenes, would be better to use higher F stop for infinite and real time focus
For thr braking, he prob has his "surge" tuned down. Too much surge and it'll make the rig buck easily when you don't have great traction. There's a sweet spot in there...
While I’m sure this feels awesome and all but I think it’s obsolete compared to the yaw2 in vr. The pitch up/down and roll degrees are way more than this. Going up the mountain in Bathurst or banking in a track feels like the real thing because it matches what you see in VR. Paired with a good bass shaker, it’s the real deal and far cheaper.
Hi mate, great to see you getting into motion. I have the Prosimu 3dof and I think you should think about traction loss as when you feel it it really does help. My favourite example is how the car feels at Paul Ricard on the two sweeping right corners at the end of the long straight. I dance on the edge of grip and I am actually very competitive to the really fast guys on that sector. Looking forward to seeing the journey into motion.
I think one of the complete systems I shared as links has a traction loss module you can buy as an addition. My NLR v3 chair mover felt really good in corners but I never experience a traction loss system.
I have a 3 DOF reality and an index but it's set up for a Heli witch is a bit of a waste coz when I nail a hover (which I can) it's not moving. I think after I move house I will go back to static and shaker on the flight sim and set up a racing sim on the 3 DOF. Then again I already have a pretty good racing "sim". It's called a Mazda Miata.
@@Biroo I would recommend that you join PCA (Porsche Club of America). It's under $50 a year. You will start off doing a Skills day on a skid pan and cones and all that. They are run maybe 4 times a year depending on where you live and cost about $100 ish for the day. Then you get cleared to go on the track with an instructor and I think that's about maybe $200 including a lunch. Prob about 3 or 4 20 min track sessions. The other expense is to get your car checked out which is mandatory and they check brakes and suspension tires etc. I would usually get a new set of pads and flush brake fluid coz you can literally go through an entire stet of new pads in one day with just enough left to limp home. So another $200 for that or do some of it yourself and save a bit. PCA is a voluntary organization so I would do a track day that then spend the next track day picking up cones and waving flags and helping out. That's what makes it work and makes it affordable. PCA is Incredibly friendly! 25% of the people there don't have a Porsche. The best part is when some noob shows up in a brand new Ferrari and thinks he is going to dominate and goes home with his tail between his legs after being lapped by a 994 turbo or an SUV. I got cleared to drive solo which I am proud of even though it's not that hard. You just need to be safe. Passing is by invitation only in specific zones so you are NOT racing. However you may be going through turn 2 at 140mph at SIR near Seattle. Depending on the car. I was in an NSX and I also tracked a 911 but you could show up in a mini van and nobody would blink. Really great guys! Also sometimes Instructors will take you for a ride along which is mind blowing and very instructive.
you can get the entire kit from aliexpress buddy. its cheaper and easier to assemble. the 3d printed parts comes in machined aluminium. I'm going that rooth.
no traction loss on this setup no. On my old setup I had the base shaker vibrate in a specific way on traction loss. But I might just add that as something to buy when I setup my rig. Thanks for mentioning it
@@Biroo Like I said I would not recommend the 3dof for a flight sim as it can't replicate the motion of an aircraft. You are not pulling G like you do in a Cessna for example. It does make Elite Dangerous a bit mor fun but it's a lot of money for a bit of pitch and roll. However the base shaker OMG best $50 I ever spent! Highly recommended! You can feel the double bounce landings. You can feel the engine vibrations. People can't imagine how good it is until they try it. That's clever that you are using it for traction loss. I would not have thought of that. I guess at low speed on tarmac you can hear the rear breaking away? And visually if you end up facing the wrong way, that's a clue too.
I’ve been looking for a small monitor so that I don’t have to keep getting up to see what’s on my main monitor when in my rig with VR. What’s the one you are using and did you have to get creative with mounting it as it’s quite small?
Personally i think your mate has his front actuators a wee bit too far forward reason being the seating between all the actuators would need to be in the C.O.G ... but that just depends on how he has set up his software for it. all good 👍🏾
More travel isn't necessary. Not for racing. You are better off with shorter more accurate hydraulics actuators. With the money you save spend it on shake boxes for each corner or traction loss mover.
🧐 I’ll for sure get shake boxes. I am however wondering, can you truly feel the corner the vibration comes from if you place 1 each corner? Is it not that your entire rig frame vibrates and you feel it from everywhere? Probably naive question but genuinely interested.
@@Biroo you can absolutely feel it in each corner I understand what you're saying and yes a small amount bleeds and you feel it everywhere, but you can completely feel which corner it is coming from. It is a game changer especially in VR. Look up what I was saying about shorter actuators. If you are using flight sims then longer ones can be nice. But for driving (maybe an exception is trophy trucks or monster truck racing) you are way better off with faster more accurate actuators.
I'll tell you what never translates to a video. VR and motion . Before I ever tried VR and experienced it for my self I had no idea what I was in for. I assume the motion rig is the same . Until I actually try it can never have reasonable expectations.
Very true and I plan to try more rigs before choosing. We’re all so different in what we like and dislike. And someone telling me that this or that is awesome will never fully work for me seeing how different preferences we have in terms of setting up motion. The same way my intention with these videos is not to tell anyone what’s best but what works for me
@@Biroo no it was a great video , I was just saying it's so hard to grasp the real world sensations of that. I honestly have no clue how must better it feels or worse. Did it feel like you were driving a real car or like to much.
@@mrj3217 tbh his settings where to soft for me. But this is why I say, can’t really rely on someone saying is great because for him it works perfectly but for me it felt it was missing the mark in some areas. And unsure if that’s addressable in the system’s configuration or the system as a whole is not what I’m looking for. I’ll need to test other options before I settle
Love your channel but these are not really Dbox analogs. Dbox durability, tactile, warranty and industry adoption is the standard. I've owned many different motion systems and for all around motion nothing compares, especially for the price and quality. Travel for sim racing isn't paramount. Speed, tactile, durability are. Maybe if you're doing only flight sims travel length would be paramount. Lastly, Dbox actuators are practically silent, these seem to be quite "rattle" prone.
I’ve not tried dbox so can’t compare. These are the first actuators I try after my moving chair and they felt decent. Probably once I try dbox I’ll realise the difference.
@@Biroo fair enough. I think the difference is really the quality as well. I've been hammering one of my original Gen1 Dbox 4x setups for 12 years without failure. These Chinese systems I can bet would not be built like that. Enjoy and look forward to your new videos. I'm going through your hue tutorials. 😁
@Gorilla Jones he must of not got the sliders inside perfect as they have very tight tolerances. My mates SFX15O is almost silent and he uses the white drivrs as well so no 10khz whine plus he had a company make his 3d parts so they are identical and perfect size so the sliders are not scrapping on the side.
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Quick tip to help G-Force sensation: Attach the belts to a fixed base on the floor not moving with the DBox. When you get pushed forward when braking, the belts will tighten up. same thing for lateral g force, just inverse the left and right strap in a cross pattern so when you turn right for example, he left strap will tighten up. shout out to Boosted Media for the tip
Great point! I had one on my motion chair. Works well
@MGYB it isn't Dbox its SFX150
First of all welcome back @Biroo, nice to See you back in Simracing, I knew it, that you will come back sooners or later 😁 To further increase the Immersion you can also use an active belt tensioner like the Gbelt or PT Actuator Belt tensioner. For me personally I would Rate an active belt tensioner higher than Motion in terms of immersion. Can‘t wait to see you moving into the new House and Build a new Rig.
@@kolbinator8882 thanks a lot 🙏 that gbelt looks really slick! Do you feel lateral forces as well?
@@Biroo I am personally using the PT Belt tensioner, which Runs with the SRS Software which is not as much as Advanced as the Sim Commander Software for the gbelt. For now it only has sway, surge and heave effect, but I Know a lot of people using the gbelt and they are stunned by it. In the end it only tightens with the two belts around your shoulders and it is no g force what you feel, but it triggers your brain in that way, which is why I won‘t Miss it anymore. I‘d rather give up on Motion, than on the belt, but everything combined, especially in VR is the absolute experience.
Can't wait for the 5090 and Crystal Super (12K)!
Welcome back!! can't wait for more for this channel
Thanks bob! I'm excited to get back to it
Gosh, Biro! Can't wait to race with you again, man! Most fun sim racing moment to this day still is the "Goodwood Hillclimb" you put together! Great seeing some videos!
We need to do that one again. Great fun!
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Thank you iSPIKE! Thinking of trying more motion rigs 🤔
Great that you start now.Hope see you soon on track.
I’ll get there 💪
@@Biroo 👍
Hey man great to see u back, I run a motion rig the system is called Sigma Integrale DK2, it’s awesome and I’m coming from a DBox gen5, and the experience is practically the same for a fraction of the price, it’s worth a look mate
That’s a good suggestion! I heard of Sigma Integrale. What I realized while trying my friend’s setup is that we’re all quite different in what feels right when it comes to track and car feedback
@@Biroo yes I 100% agree, I had the same system as your mate originally, the problem I had with that system is VR tracking was a nightmare using my Varjo Aero as it uses base stations to track, I had nothing but issues form emi interference from the servo drives, I had to sell the system as it was unplayable, I suggest you do allot of research if u decide to go that root as I wish someone had advised me on these issues
I had a NLR V3, then I built the SFX-100 system. Tried them both together, but decided to move the V3 on and just use the actuators. Now I have also removed and sold my SFX system. I currently use a SimXperience G-belt combined with a high end tactile build. I much prefer my rig this way and am very happy that I've ended up with it this way.
Very interesting journey 🤔. What did you liked and disliked about the v3 + actuators?
@@Biroo I liked the V3 for what it was, I was happy with it. I had to try the SFX-100 build because it was just one of those things. I only sold the V3 because I did not think it was worth having them both together. In the end I had a few connectivity issues with the SFX (a number of things caused this, I think both from the system itself and perhaps my PC build as well) so I decided to be rid of it and go back to a static chassis. I do race competitively quite a lot and while I do love the immersion of these things, I actually feel much more comfortable driving the way the chassis is now compared to before. Motion was a nice side project to experience but I do feel I've made the correct decision to be back to a static cockpit.
@@anthcesana fair point. You see, for me the various motion factors help me with performance on track. For example how breaking feels on sections each lap helps me process how I perform. Feeling the level of leaning happening in a corner before loosing grip, having feedback when you lose traction. Now some of this stuff comes trough the wheel as well but various motion forces and vibrations in the rig helps amplify the feedback I need to get better with each lap.
What's your high end tactile build Anthony? Is it better than Buttkicker pro etc?
@@adamlitchfield3371 I have 3 Clark TST 429s, 2 BK Concerts, 1 Earthquake Q10B and a pair of Dayton BST-2’s. Fully isolated (theoretically) from the rest of the chassis and then the chassis is also isolated from the floor with some heavy duty dampers that almost act as suspension.
Yessss! Love your sim racing content. Especially the immersion aspects
Thanks. I'll start posting more often
Glad to see you back!
Nice to see you back mate. I’m still rocking my nlrv3 but now with a g-belt and 12 transducers. Have tried a d-box and I would take my setup every time. I also moved from dd2 to simucube ha!
how did you mount the belt tensioner with the nlrv3?
@@devrox it comes with 2bolts you get a template where to drill your seat mate. Epic bit of kit
@@matthewscarborough4920 unfortunately i cant drill my seat because its a softshell... hw do you like the v3 + tensioner combination? if you would have to decide for only one, wich would it be?
@@devrox they also sell a bottom mount bracket . If I had to choose over the 2 it would be the g-belt. Nlrv3 is good but I feel a lot though the belt
Check out sigma integrale DK motion systems. They have a 2 inch and a 6 inch version and are very very professional! sim racing garage has reviews of the systems.
nice video and great to see you back, just a technical note the camera is slow to focus on most of scenes, would be better to use higher F stop for infinite and real time focus
Looks like my Rs-mega+ kit 😁. I just love mine!
For thr braking, he prob has his "surge" tuned down. Too much surge and it'll make the rig buck easily when you don't have great traction. There's a sweet spot in there...
While I’m sure this feels awesome and all but I think it’s obsolete compared to the yaw2 in vr. The pitch up/down and roll degrees are way more than this. Going up the mountain in Bathurst or banking in a track feels like the real thing because it matches what you see in VR. Paired with a good bass shaker, it’s the real deal and far cheaper.
Psvr2 on ps5 is going to be the benchmark in vr headsets next month
Hi mate, great to see you getting into motion. I have the Prosimu 3dof and I think you should think about traction loss as when you feel it it really does help. My favourite example is how the car feels at Paul Ricard on the two sweeping right corners at the end of the long straight. I dance on the edge of grip and I am actually very competitive to the really fast guys on that sector. Looking forward to seeing the journey into motion.
I think one of the complete systems I shared as links has a traction loss module you can buy as an addition.
My NLR v3 chair mover felt really good in corners but I never experience a traction loss system.
Great video. 👍🏻
I have a 3 DOF reality and an index but it's set up for a Heli witch is a bit of a waste coz when I nail a hover (which I can) it's not moving. I think after I move house I will go back to static and shaker on the flight sim and set up a racing sim on the 3 DOF. Then again I already have a pretty good racing "sim". It's called a Mazda Miata.
Nice one, curious how much a track day costs you with that Mazda. Looking to eventually step into track IRL
@@Biroo I would recommend that you join PCA (Porsche Club of America). It's under $50 a year. You will start off doing a Skills day on a skid pan and cones and all that. They are run maybe 4 times a year depending on where you live and cost about $100 ish for the day. Then you get cleared to go on the track with an instructor and I think that's about maybe $200 including a lunch. Prob about 3 or 4 20 min track sessions. The other expense is to get your car checked out which is mandatory and they check brakes and suspension tires etc. I would usually get a new set of pads and flush brake fluid coz you can literally go through an entire stet of new pads in one day with just enough left to limp home. So another $200 for that or do some of it yourself and save a bit. PCA is a voluntary organization so I would do a track day that then spend the next track day picking up cones and waving flags and helping out. That's what makes it work and makes it affordable. PCA is Incredibly friendly! 25% of the people there don't have a Porsche. The best part is when some noob shows up in a brand new Ferrari and thinks he is going to dominate and goes home with his tail between his legs after being lapped by a 994 turbo or an SUV. I got cleared to drive solo which I am proud of even though it's not that hard. You just need to be safe. Passing is by invitation only in specific zones so you are NOT racing. However you may be going through turn 2 at 140mph at SIR near Seattle. Depending on the car. I was in an NSX and I also tracked a 911 but you could show up in a mini van and nobody would blink. Really great guys!
Also sometimes Instructors will take you for a ride along which is mind blowing and very instructive.
The neighbors that live below him probably think "his bed gets ALOT of use!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Most likely 😆
I have a eracing lab SFX kit. $2k plus shipping
SFX-100, it has a name you know
you can get the entire kit from aliexpress buddy. its cheaper and easier to assemble. the 3d printed parts comes in machined aluminium. I'm going that rooth.
Forgot to mention that it comes with thanos.
How did you mount that screen to your rig? Currently trying to do the same
Build your own hexapod. It easy!
Looks nice but you have no yaw? No traction loss, right? That's the most important part. Or am I missing something?
no traction loss on this setup no. On my old setup I had the base shaker vibrate in a specific way on traction loss. But I might just add that as something to buy when I setup my rig. Thanks for mentioning it
@@Biroo Like I said I would not recommend the 3dof for a flight sim as it can't replicate the motion of an aircraft. You are not pulling G like you do in a Cessna for example. It does make Elite Dangerous a bit mor fun but it's a lot of money for a bit of pitch and roll. However the base shaker OMG best $50 I ever spent! Highly recommended! You can feel the double bounce landings. You can feel the engine vibrations. People can't imagine how good it is until they try it. That's clever that you are using it for traction loss. I would not have thought of that. I guess at low speed on tarmac you can hear the rear breaking away? And visually if you end up facing the wrong way, that's a clue too.
I’ve been looking for a small monitor so that I don’t have to keep getting up to see what’s on my main monitor when in my rig with VR. What’s the one you are using and did you have to get creative with mounting it as it’s quite small?
Personally i think your mate has his front actuators a wee bit too far forward reason being the seating between all the actuators would need to be in the C.O.G ... but that just depends on how he has set up his software for it. all good 👍🏾
@Skyy Interceptor Racing
I think the back actuator on the left side looks a bit un level
More travel isn't necessary. Not for racing. You are better off with shorter more accurate hydraulics actuators. With the money you save spend it on shake boxes for each corner or traction loss mover.
🧐 I’ll for sure get shake boxes. I am however wondering, can you truly feel the corner the vibration comes from if you place 1 each corner? Is it not that your entire rig frame vibrates and you feel it from everywhere? Probably naive question but genuinely interested.
@@Biroo you can absolutely feel it in each corner I understand what you're saying and yes a small amount bleeds and you feel it everywhere, but you can completely feel which corner it is coming from. It is a game changer especially in VR. Look up what I was saying about shorter actuators. If you are using flight sims then longer ones can be nice. But for driving (maybe an exception is trophy trucks or monster truck racing) you are way better off with faster more accurate actuators.
What monitor is that? Nice with a small monitor on a vr rig 👌👌
What is the name of that screen?
His name is Robert Paulson.
What did he use to wrap the F-pro wheel?
It's probably a tennis grip or overgrip, it seems like Decathlon branded.
I'll tell you what never translates to a video.
VR and motion .
Before I ever tried VR and experienced it for my self I had no idea what I was in for.
I assume the motion rig is the same .
Until I actually try it can never have reasonable expectations.
Very true and I plan to try more rigs before choosing. We’re all so different in what we like and dislike. And someone telling me that this or that is awesome will never fully work for me seeing how different preferences we have in terms of setting up motion. The same way my intention with these videos is not to tell anyone what’s best but what works for me
@@Biroo no it was a great video , I was just saying it's so hard to grasp the real world sensations of that.
I honestly have no clue how must better it feels or worse.
Did it feel like you were driving a real car or like to much.
@@mrj3217 tbh his settings where to soft for me. But this is why I say, can’t really rely on someone saying is great because for him it works perfectly but for me it felt it was missing the mark in some areas. And unsure if that’s addressable in the system’s configuration or the system as a whole is not what I’m looking for. I’ll need to test other options before I settle
Love your channel but these are not really Dbox analogs. Dbox durability, tactile, warranty and industry adoption is the standard.
I've owned many different motion systems and for all around motion nothing compares, especially for the price and quality.
Travel for sim racing isn't paramount. Speed, tactile, durability are. Maybe if you're doing only flight sims travel length would be paramount.
Lastly, Dbox actuators are practically silent, these seem to be quite "rattle" prone.
I’ve not tried dbox so can’t compare. These are the first actuators I try after my moving chair and they felt decent. Probably once I try dbox I’ll realise the difference.
@@Biroo fair enough. I think the difference is really the quality as well. I've been hammering one of my original Gen1 Dbox 4x setups for 12 years without failure.
These Chinese systems I can bet would not be built like that.
Enjoy and look forward to your new videos. I'm going through your hue tutorials. 😁
@@Gorilla_Jones 🧐 I’ll have to try more systems including dbox
@Gorilla Jones he must of not got the sliders inside perfect as they have very tight tolerances. My mates SFX15O is almost silent and he uses the white drivrs as well so no 10khz whine plus he had a company make his 3d parts so they are identical and perfect size so the sliders are not scrapping on the side.
@Gorilla Jones also the price difference is so extreme most will be OK with a bit of rattle considering their 4 times cheaper.