Good video. Most notable things about it are that you not only give your thoughts on the feature and why it sucks, but also give a potential solution and remind the community that you cant just change something like a core game mechanic with a snap of a finger. The devs have to take time to consider the changes, write the code for it, playtest it (which for this particular feature could take a while to ensure proper balancing), THEN release it; and even then the community is bound to not like it anyway since they complain about everything the devs do no matter what.
I think people need to stop focusing on the level 50 for each car...if you drive the cars...you will naturally get to level 50 with ease...maybe i have reward mindset from many hours of Destiny playing...but i like being rewarded for my progress!
It's not about level 50. The whole point of forza is to race cars that are modified. To be able to use cars in different classes they need to be upgraded, so if you had a c class car that you wanted to upgrade to s you have to drive around for an hour and a half or more with a non s class car. By the time you get to s, you find out the car is shit, so you wasted hours when this same process used to take minutes. This is not progression, its a waste of time, time that people could have used to enjoy using the car they wanted in the class they wanted the way they wanted to.
As you say the only reason to max out the cars to 50 is to unlock the achievement trophies relating to maxed out cars if that’s your thing. The only cars I have at 50 are the ones I use all the time.
My guess is, Car XP system WAS called out during deveopment, and by majority of people involved, but they were overrulled by person in charge, likely the source of this idea. To remove this system, would be to admit he/she was wrong all along, and now at risk of being held responsible for fallout. It's safer to double down and pretend it's players who are wrong. As for possible way to salvage Car XP system, it could remain as an alternative way to earn parts. To keep it simple: Car Points pool gone. Parts unlocks remain as they are (or even return to original slower grind). (new) Pay CR for instant unlock of a part, so old-style buying parts. This means if you NEED a part NOW, you can always unlock it by forking some CR. If you don't need it right away, you can wait for it to unlock for free when you hit level requirement. It would work decently well in new, more strict ingame economy.
I absolutely hate the idea of car points. If i want to drive a new car for the first time, with modifications, I should be able to do this. Just like in real life lol
I don't know if they were going for the idea that if you have to upgrade the car slowly over time you'll notice the effect and benefit each upgrade gives. Sadly the handling and feedback on the game are so shit you can't tell anyway. Never had so many glitches, bugs and errors in a racing game before. It feels like they had to rush or miss out a bunch of testing or something. Or have they just got lazy ala EA/Ubisoft/Bethesda. Shame really.
Do you play on keyboard, gamepad or wheel? Because honestly on gamepad the game is quite decent when it comes to driving and feedback, but on wheel, despite having more configuration options than most sims, the game just feels very lackluster on a wheel. For keyboard I am not sure since I never used. I upgraded my Lancia from PI 300 to like 500 and I could tell the difference in handling, power and even the car sound changed so that is cool I guess. And even on a Ferrari 488 while the difference was much more subtle, I could tell a minor difference upon upgrading. So that is cool I guess. But I very much agree with you on the bugs and glitches part. I have literally crashed my game twice today, had weird bug where rival cars wasn’t visible, run into random fps drops and performance slowdowns. They really really need to work on stability of the game.
I've tried on both wheel and pad. I had issues where some categories of cars if I was playing on the wheel I'd destroy clutches and gearboxes everytime I shifted gears. Unless I held the clutch in for 2 seconds or so. Even when the car had a sequencial box such as the touring cars. I don't know if the games designed so I'm supposed to fiddle with settings for each car but I've had none of these issues when using the pad. So I switched to just using the pad. It's also got and miss whether cars launch off the starting grid when using the wheel. :/
Car progression wouldn’t be as bad with the race and tourney system and selection of forza 4. But with a tiny minuscule pathetic race list and tourney list in career mode it’s literally two opposing mechanics fighting each other. These dumb devs want us to grind car points thru a tourney. And then never ever use the fucking same car again. I’ve encountered exactly zero cars that can go from one tourney to another. Retarded design. Forza 4. You could get one car to race over hundreds of tourneys!!!! Hundreds of tourneys per fucking car. Forza 8 has exactly ZERO FUCKING CARS THAT CAN PARTICIPATE IN MORE THAN 2 GODAMNED TOURNEYS. fuck you forza devs.
It was pretty rocky at launch but i'm loving it now esp after the last update. Still runs like trash on my PC but I've been playing on my xsx which is pretty solid now.
For sure! I have been playing it a lot as well! I am coming from a place of love and because we are passionate about the game we get sad about its shortcomings and want T10 to fix it!
I'm with ya, been a huge FMS fan since the original. Pretty sure turn10 knows that the game should have been released this March but was forced out the door early to appease shareholders etc.. not a good look but I'm sure there will be a huge update and a relaunch in March when the ring is added. (hopefully)@@TheSupremeMedjay
I agree with you and I am also looking forward to it! People forget but GT7 was also very poorly received for first 6 months or so but now its a much better game. I am hoping same goes with Forza because the base is strong.
The driving physics are amazing and the best outside of Iracing. That's the main reason I still can't put it down, just needs to work out that CXP system and a lot of new tracks...@@TheSupremeMedjay
I dont know why people are so against the progression system...its a video game...i love it. For a matrer of fact...ive played every Forza game and i have no complaints with Forza Motoraport...thank you Turn 10. Job well done!
Wohoo it saves my Credits…so yes i have now 10 Million Credits and over 100 Cars,but not even near the Time to lvl them all up without anything to race with it because there are only 1-2 Classes to Race each Week and there are only short Races on the same 4 Tracks over and over and over…………again😂 So who pays someone that think thats a fun thing to do at all?!? Where are the Stats off the Players,the Cars or even the Tracks?? Where are the long Races,Cups,Leagues….?? Where are the Replays? The Spec Mode for Streamers?? This Game has mutch more Problems then the CPG System ❤
@@XAV-117 I agree, the game has a TON of issues but the handling and cars in general are one of its strong suits. Especially driving on gamepad feels really good!
Ur wrong, the car progression need to be in work to get some real ground. Let me explain, GT7 got alot of contents, licences, more tuning parts and some extra costumizations paint with the window u can put on some decails. My point is the car progression should work with the sponsorisation by earning money and receive some sort of discount with any pieces u progres. Any thing should be work with almost the same amount credits in the real life and that work in same with ur modification parts. So u earn low credits and u have to progres ur character for earning credits and with sponsors u win by the time. Btw we need this car progression just bc it become boring while driving when u realise u have nothing else to do exept buying cars and modify ur car. That mean we need more contents and this forza going to be better and better.
Turn 10 just need to get rid of car points period, and car levelling on Forza 1,3 and 4 were simple, buy the car and parts with creds, which gain a manufactures discount for continuous use and prize cars for levelling up driver xp, the end game if you will was gaining kudos from players for uploading my tuning builds, paints jobs/decal jobs, pvp drag racing, pvp track racing, car clubs, drift car club, access to all the tracks, and the ability to race in any car from D to X whenever I/everyone wanted, dirty driving would get people kicked from racing via voting with collision switched or on track time penalties where a timer would appear above my/our cars, cut speed to 30mph/50kph and ghost the offending car, and the elo system was perfect, race like arse+ elo= get put with rest of the arseholes till you drive better...simple.
There is not much quality about this game, not only is car progression bad, it still uses inaccurate car models recycled all the way back from fm1, the single player is fomo, it lacks features, there is a lot of bugs, the sounds is not really either that good
Why would a developer work hard on a game thats just going to be deleted? I wouldnt. And all online-only games like this will be deleted in a few short years when they shut the servers down.
It ultimately doesnt matter if the game were a success or not because its online only, so its going to be erased from existence in a few years when they shut the servers down. So who cares, everyone who bought this steaming pile of crap is helping to destroy the gaming industry
Tosay games are super real, like normal life, thats make them boring, I am.playing sega rally and outrun 2006 and having a blast, thr latest semi sim I played is dirt rally 2015, is great but is nto as fun as older more arcadish games... These new games are made to suck your life im a single game.
While I do agree that many games are made to keep you playing these days, it also works out for many people since many of us are working hours on our jobs and after we come home we just want to play the games we are comfortable with for a few hours and relax. So in that sense, if you dont want to go to a new game and learn it from scratch, getting new content and updates for a game you are invested in is quite good really!
@@diego2817 Maybe. I personally play the same 3-4 games most of the year because I dont have the time or energy to learn a new game because of my job. But 2-3 times a year when I get vacations in summer and Christmas I do go out of my way to try new games like story heavy RPGs etc which I wouldn’t normally play. I think its mostly about how you balance your time and energy ❤️
Fm grind is worse you can access all cars in gt7 with all its upgrades long before you even can Max out the upgrades on fm all cars, the mtx in gt7 dosent mean anything as you can earn money fairly easy now, and its has no paid dlc unlike forza,
@andreasmoller9798 bruh...who cares...the grind isn't real, just an excuse to trash Forza and there isn't any paid dlc...ZERO paid dlc...and ZERO microtransactions...get a life kid
Great video! Gonna check this one out, wanna see how it compares to GT7
Best of luck bro hope u enjoy! 🔥
Good video. Most notable things about it are that you not only give your thoughts on the feature and why it sucks, but also give a potential solution and remind the community that you cant just change something like a core game mechanic with a snap of a finger. The devs have to take time to consider the changes, write the code for it, playtest it (which for this particular feature could take a while to ensure proper balancing), THEN release it; and even then the community is bound to not like it anyway since they complain about everything the devs do no matter what.
Thank you man! Having awesome people like you appreciate and notice the hard work we put into the videos means the most to us ❤️
I think people need to stop focusing on the level 50 for each car...if you drive the cars...you will naturally get to level 50 with ease...maybe i have reward mindset from many hours of Destiny playing...but i like being rewarded for my progress!
It's not about level 50. The whole point of forza is to race cars that are modified. To be able to use cars in different classes they need to be upgraded, so if you had a c class car that you wanted to upgrade to s you have to drive around for an hour and a half or more with a non s class car. By the time you get to s, you find out the car is shit, so you wasted hours when this same process used to take minutes.
This is not progression, its a waste of time, time that people could have used to enjoy using the car they wanted in the class they wanted the way they wanted to.
@@im2fast4u711this limits experimenting with various tune builds and basically encourages just finding the meta cars of the game to use
As you say the only reason to max out the cars to 50 is to unlock the achievement trophies relating to maxed out cars if that’s your thing.
The only cars I have at 50 are the ones I use all the time.
My guess is, Car XP system WAS called out during deveopment, and by majority of people involved, but they were overrulled by person in charge, likely the source of this idea. To remove this system, would be to admit he/she was wrong all along, and now at risk of being held responsible for fallout. It's safer to double down and pretend it's players who are wrong.
As for possible way to salvage Car XP system, it could remain as an alternative way to earn parts. To keep it simple:
Car Points pool gone. Parts unlocks remain as they are (or even return to original slower grind). (new) Pay CR for instant unlock of a part, so old-style buying parts.
This means if you NEED a part NOW, you can always unlock it by forking some CR. If you don't need it right away, you can wait for it to unlock for free when you hit level requirement. It would work decently well in new, more strict ingame economy.
Wow that is actually a really great solution!
I absolutely hate the idea of car points. If i want to drive a new car for the first time, with modifications, I should be able to do this. Just like in real life lol
I don't know if they were going for the idea that if you have to upgrade the car slowly over time you'll notice the effect and benefit each upgrade gives. Sadly the handling and feedback on the game are so shit you can't tell anyway. Never had so many glitches, bugs and errors in a racing game before. It feels like they had to rush or miss out a bunch of testing or something. Or have they just got lazy ala EA/Ubisoft/Bethesda. Shame really.
Do you play on keyboard, gamepad or wheel? Because honestly on gamepad the game is quite decent when it comes to driving and feedback, but on wheel, despite having more configuration options than most sims, the game just feels very lackluster on a wheel. For keyboard I am not sure since I never used.
I upgraded my Lancia from PI 300 to like 500 and I could tell the difference in handling, power and even the car sound changed so that is cool I guess. And even on a Ferrari 488 while the difference was much more subtle, I could tell a minor difference upon upgrading. So that is cool I guess.
But I very much agree with you on the bugs and glitches part. I have literally crashed my game twice today, had weird bug where rival cars wasn’t visible, run into random fps drops and performance slowdowns. They really really need to work on stability of the game.
I've tried on both wheel and pad. I had issues where some categories of cars if I was playing on the wheel I'd destroy clutches and gearboxes everytime I shifted gears. Unless I held the clutch in for 2 seconds or so. Even when the car had a sequencial box such as the touring cars. I don't know if the games designed so I'm supposed to fiddle with settings for each car but I've had none of these issues when using the pad. So I switched to just using the pad. It's also got and miss whether cars launch off the starting grid when using the wheel. :/
Car progression wouldn’t be as bad with the race and tourney system and selection of forza 4. But with a tiny minuscule pathetic race list and tourney list in career mode it’s literally two opposing mechanics fighting each other. These dumb devs want us to grind car points thru a tourney. And then never ever use the fucking same car again. I’ve encountered exactly zero cars that can go from one tourney to another. Retarded design. Forza 4. You could get one car to race over hundreds of tourneys!!!! Hundreds of tourneys per fucking car. Forza 8 has exactly ZERO FUCKING CARS THAT CAN PARTICIPATE IN MORE THAN 2 GODAMNED TOURNEYS. fuck you forza devs.
The handling on this game is top-notch. I don't know what game you are playing!
Its worse than every previous Forza.
It was pretty rocky at launch but i'm loving it now esp after the last update. Still runs like trash on my PC but I've been playing on my xsx which is pretty solid now.
For sure! I have been playing it a lot as well! I am coming from a place of love and because we are passionate about the game we get sad about its shortcomings and want T10 to fix it!
I'm with ya, been a huge FMS fan since the original. Pretty sure turn10 knows that the game should have been released this March but was forced out the door early to appease shareholders etc.. not a good look but I'm sure there will be a huge update and a relaunch in March when the ring is added. (hopefully)@@TheSupremeMedjay
I agree with you and I am also looking forward to it! People forget but GT7 was also very poorly received for first 6 months or so but now its a much better game. I am hoping same goes with Forza because the base is strong.
The driving physics are amazing and the best outside of Iracing. That's the main reason I still can't put it down, just needs to work out that CXP system and a lot of new tracks...@@TheSupremeMedjay
I dont know why people are so against the progression system...its a video game...i love it.
For a matrer of fact...ive played every Forza game and i have no complaints with Forza Motoraport...thank you Turn 10.
Job well done!
I am glad you are enjoying it my friend really happy for you!
Wohoo it saves my Credits…so yes i have now 10 Million Credits and over 100 Cars,but not even near the Time to lvl them all up without anything to race with it because there are only 1-2 Classes to Race each Week and there are only short Races on the same 4 Tracks over and over and over…………again😂
So who pays someone that think thats a fun thing to do at all?!?
Where are the Stats off the Players,the Cars or even the Tracks??
Where are the long Races,Cups,Leagues….??
Where are the Replays?
The Spec Mode for Streamers??
This Game has mutch more Problems then the CPG System ❤
I hope Turn 10 listens and fixes all the issues gradually. Because we all love Forza ❤️
The most negative aspects is haw cars are handling, tuning whear we must puts values that have nothing with reality and penalty sistem
@@XAV-117 I agree, the game has a TON of issues but the handling and cars in general are one of its strong suits. Especially driving on gamepad feels really good!
Ur wrong, the car progression need to be in work to get some real ground. Let me explain, GT7 got alot of contents, licences, more tuning parts and some extra costumizations paint with the window u can put on some decails. My point is the car progression should work with the sponsorisation by earning money and receive some sort of discount with any pieces u progres. Any thing should be work with almost the same amount credits in the real life and that work in same with ur modification parts. So u earn low credits and u have to progres ur character for earning credits and with sponsors u win by the time. Btw we need this car progression just bc it become boring while driving when u realise u have nothing else to do exept buying cars and modify ur car. That mean we need more contents and this forza going to be better and better.
Turn 10 just need to get rid of car points period, and car levelling on Forza 1,3 and 4 were simple, buy the car and parts with creds, which gain a manufactures discount for continuous use and prize cars for levelling up driver xp, the end game if you will was gaining kudos from players for uploading my tuning builds, paints jobs/decal jobs, pvp drag racing, pvp track racing, car clubs, drift car club, access to all the tracks, and the ability to race in any car from D to X whenever I/everyone wanted, dirty driving would get people kicked from racing via voting with collision switched or on track time penalties where a timer would appear above my/our cars, cut speed to 30mph/50kph and ghost the offending car, and the elo system was perfect, race like arse+ elo= get put with rest of the arseholes till you drive better...simple.
There is not much quality about this game, not only is car progression bad, it still uses inaccurate car models recycled all the way back from fm1, the single player is fomo, it lacks features, there is a lot of bugs, the sounds is not really either that good
Stop calling it a sim. If I hook my wheel up to it and can't translate my real world track experience to the game, it ain't a sim
Forza Motorsport is a sim...and more of a sim than GT7
Why would a developer work hard on a game thats just going to be deleted? I wouldnt. And all online-only games like this will be deleted in a few short years when they shut the servers down.
It ultimately doesnt matter if the game were a success or not because its online only, so its going to be erased from existence in a few years when they shut the servers down. So who cares, everyone who bought this steaming pile of crap is helping to destroy the gaming industry
You mean like almost every new game that gets released???
@@zerraticz yes precisely
@@MC-bh8ph Fair enough
@@zerraticz forza horizon 5 can be played offline and will therefore continue to exist in the future
Gt sport Will be playable offline now as the servers are no longer up
Tosay games are super real, like normal life, thats make them boring, I am.playing sega rally and outrun 2006 and having a blast, thr latest semi sim I played is dirt rally 2015, is great but is nto as fun as older more arcadish games... These new games are made to suck your life im a single game.
While I do agree that many games are made to keep you playing these days, it also works out for many people since many of us are working hours on our jobs and after we come home we just want to play the games we are comfortable with for a few hours and relax.
So in that sense, if you dont want to go to a new game and learn it from scratch, getting new content and updates for a game you are invested in is quite good really!
@@TheSupremeMedjay not sure about it, playing the same game all the time won't allow you to appreciate other games.
@@diego2817 Maybe. I personally play the same 3-4 games most of the year because I dont have the time or energy to learn a new game because of my job.
But 2-3 times a year when I get vacations in summer and Christmas I do go out of my way to try new games like story heavy RPGs etc which I wouldn’t normally play.
I think its mostly about how you balance your time and energy ❤️
@@diego2817bro wtf
who tf consider forza as sim? Its simcade as best
They marketed this game as being built from the ground up with sim elements like the new tyre contact model but it was all bs
its a sim imo... horizon is a simcade/arcade
This game sucks!!! The game is bad and the pc port is even worst!!!
The PC port indeed has SOOO MANY issues man!
I wish it was more stable and well put together. So many bugs and issues.
Ill never play GT7 again...and what a grind that fucking game is and the microtransactions are outrageous ...yet you complain about FM...cope and cap
Fm grind is worse you can access all cars in gt7 with all its upgrades long before you even can Max out the upgrades on fm all cars, the mtx in gt7 dosent mean anything as you can earn money fairly easy now, and its has no paid dlc unlike forza,
@andreasmoller9798 bruh...who cares...the grind isn't real, just an excuse to trash Forza and there isn't any paid dlc...ZERO paid dlc...and ZERO microtransactions...get a life kid
It hasn’t failed. Not being gray doesn’t mean it’s bad or failed. Chill out