Fujifilm xh2-S Firmware V6 vs V7
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- A comparison between the XH2-S firmware V6 and the newly released V7. Quoted off Fujifilm website; "The camera focuses on different subject in the face frame even though AF is detecting the pupil" but does this apply to video too? In this video I try to find out using the 18mm F1.4 and the 33mm F1.4, two LM lenses, which are supposed to be best if you have continuous Auto Focus needs.
** in the last comparison, the video was labeled as 18mm. its not, its the 33mm.
The branches hanging down are confusing the autofocus. Distance, close, moving target. But Im glad I watched this video bc I learned A LOT in the comments! Thanks to everyone.
Everyone is hyper focused on the focusing (see what I did there) but for $2200 US, it can't be beat for the features included that other companies simply don't offer anywhere near this price point. The trade off is the autofocus, this has been going on for years and no one should be surprised that Fuji remains a solid 2 generations behind Sony. For folks that video autofocus is a priority they shouldn't choose Fuji. If you manual focus, you can't beat the Fuji feature seat for the money. Highest value in APS-C on the market.
the xh2s certainly is packed with a lot of features. many of which i won't ever need or use ,but still... its a lot of bang for your buck!
As i've said in other comments. this video isn't too say the camera sucks, its simply to show people who might be considering this camera an example of what to expect if you'll be shooting in scenarios where people would be moving around.
i absolutely love the images from this camera and all my other fuji cameras. In particular when photographing people. the skin tones and textures can't be beat in my opinion.
my only complaint on this camera, is the AFC for video. More than anything, that pulsing it does as it follows a moving subject.
if it weren't for that, i' would have gottten rid of my sony a7s3. impressive as it is getting clean video footage at iso's above 12,800.. its rare i'm shooting in conditions that actually require that.
Thankyou for running these test, you may accuse me of being a fuji fan boy, that is your choice.
As a photographer and filmmaker using Fuji cameras (or anything over the years) these results seem perfectly acceptable, and for professional use tweaking settings is not unreasonable, yes if everything worked perfectly without any user input I guess it would make jobs easier, but we may as well just be camera operators, not photographers or videographers.
These tests walking towards the camera, are the same as photos of tests charts to me of little use in how a camera is used.
I can't think of one occasion where I have filmed someone walking towards the camera. I can see when you may want it as someone enters the scene etc.. but would I want it at F/1.4 where the focus in the background is changing so much and quickly, distracting from the point of focus (the person) I'd probably stop it down, in reality the camera would be on a gimbal and the subject would be large in frame as they walk forwards (and the videographer walking backwards)
If you were a wedding videographer/photographer maybe the bride walking down the aisle but again would you do it at F/1.4 with the distraction of the guests dropping in and out of focus as the bride walks past them....
Yes people want to test the cameras and want to be able to trust the autofocus works at F/1.4 (where DOF is only a few cm) but I have worked throughout the "Bad Firmware" period, without any issues.
It maybe that if you need to video at F/1.4 and use CAF and track a subject as it walks towards the camera, and you need to get it all done in one take or you only have one take then Fuji may not be the right system for you,. It may not be the answer people want, but you have two or three immediate choices, stop down the lens to increase the DOF (which makes focusing easier, and allows more tolerance for when the focus misses), manual focus, or sell your fuji gear and buy a different system and hope the faults they have elsewhere do not hold you back.
Long term you can hope Fuji improves with Firmware, learn to work around the faults, but in reality the firmware may never improve the autofocus enough to past tests, it is whether it works well enough for you to live with it and enjoy your photography and videography
hey there. i'm making a follow up video, 95% commentary, my thoughts and opions regarding some of the things you've brought up. I'm still reviewing footage and gathering my thoughts, don't want to just shoot off at the mouth..
But what i will say for now is this... i have a heavy bias towards fuji, something i've repeatedly said in past videos. i own a 5dmk4 and a sony a7r4, yet 98% of the time its my fuji xh1 that i've been grabbing for when i go into my camera cabinet. For the past two months its been the xh2s.
When it comes to my fuji cameras, i'm fully capable of 'making them work' .
part of the reason i made this video is to give others another side of the fujifilm AF coin. There's a lot of videos of youtubers reviewing the xh2s that claim, with very little evidence to none at all, that the video AF on fuji is reliable and now almost as good as sony. its these videos that pushed me toward getting the xh2s, despite being repeatedly disappointed in fuji' video AF again and again when i'd level up to the next released camera.
like i said, there's a special place in my heart for fuji, that keeps me buying them again and again.
like you said, if someone needs f1.4 video af, then people should know what the best options are. this video, and others like it, will show help them get to that realization.
i've shot many music videos, wide open at 1.4 with the Fe24mm, 35mm, 50mm on the a7s3. creative purposes, if you will. no issues.
maybe out there are people who'd like the same subject seperation look, but on a fuji. videos like this will help them decide if they can tolerate fuji's Current level of continuous AF with narrow depth of field or they are willing to us MF .... or, if they are better off with one of the other camera brands, who don't struggle in this area.
@@randallherreraNyc I'm not criticising the video, or even disagreeing with why it was made.
I think it is important buyers can make an informed choice, however always go to trusted sources for reviews
For an artistic choice I have often shot video at f/1.4 on Fuji but not videos where there is lots of movement from front to back, I have shot dancing and gymnastics on an X-T3 with CAF without any issues, but this is never done at F/1.4 as the DOF needed to make sure a couple are in focus is 2-3 meters having 5cm DOF would never cut it (they spend $$$$ on their outfits, they don't want them blurred out) .
What I do dislike is videos/people complaining that the camera they purchased did not get better over time... you should never buy a camera (or anything) , knowing it has weak points and then complaining that even though the weak points have improved with firmware updates it is not as good as company X camera, when it never was at the start. If you buy an electric car that does 200 miles per charge, then it updates the software and now does 201 miles per charge because they change something in the drive motor to make it slightly more efficient you can't then complain that it doesn't do 300 miles per charge like the competitor that has a different engine, different battery and weighs less.
Fuji has a long history of supporting cameras over many years following their release with not just bug fixes and minor improvements, to releasing new features, some more than others, the X-T3 was a different camera it received so much post launch updates, but it was also the first camera in that generation and lots of new features went into it. The X-T4 did not receive as much but that was the same sensor and processor as the X-T3 and had already benefitted from what fuji had learned with the X-T3 so there was less to update.
Other camera manufacturers release a camera and that is it, no updates but bug fixes (sometimes not even that) and if you want new features (even though the camera is capable) you need to buy the new model.
If fuji release an update that makes the camera worse (introduces a bug), it is their job to fix that bug (which they did here)
I keep seeing a lot of people site the LUMIX cameras as being better AF than Fuji now, and as someone that uses both the Fuji flagships (XH2s/xh2) and the s5iix pretty regularly, the S5iiX has pretty much the same AF reliability. Maybe the GH7 is better? I dunno. I don’t know that we have a large enough sample base to make those claims yet.
Having that said, I haven’t had any issues with the Fujis in a professional setting. But I don’t really try to stress the AF system either - especially in a professional setting. I keep the AF to low risk, controlled shots, and it’s worked fine. Surprisingly good in controlled settings. Good enough to get out of the way. I also only use the focus box/tap to focus system to give the camera some input on what to look for anytime I’m moving around or the subject is moving and it’s pretty much bang on 90% of the time.
The only system that has pretty much perfected AF is Sony. And the only Sony camera I’ve had a perfect AF experience with is the A1. There’s almost no input required and it’s almost too sticky with the touch to focus - sometimes refusing to let it go haha. The lesser expensive models weren’t as good as the A1, in my experience (like the a74 and FX3), but close.
Thank you for making this video. Nothing will change if we don’t voice our opinions. I made a similar video with less testing than you did and people are suggesting I change settings! GUYS it’s not US it’s the camera! When it’s so many people being affected it’s not us! I’ve been with Fuji since xt3 I know these cameras inside and out!
All I wanted to do with this video is add to what's been started by others; create an awareness to the current state of the fujifilm xh2s and it's afc in video. It's not to deter everyone from buying fuji
hi mate, looks a little bit better but @10.49 you can clearly see the focus jumps to the tree branch and was the original problem with fw 6.01, arwell at least you got your steps in.
😂 fuji AF keeps you in shape 😂 thanks for watching
looks about the same to me ... I would still be hesitant to take my Fuji out when I know there will be kids, pets, and unruly adult subjects... this job is for my A74,,,, weird thing is I assigned my fuji(s) for "outdoor" duty and my Sony(s) for "indoor on tripod " duties for various reasons, now the duties has switched, never realized the full potential of the A7'4's marksmanship.
"Holy shit" moment with Sony's focus at fast moving targets after the first run during review on LR after the first outing (yes many misses at first, but once I got the groove it was nearly dead on all the time)
juat put your af-c settings to: Tracking +4 and Speed 0.
And camera in Boost mode.
what are these testings, transition testing? wheres the eye detect face coverup testing, the pull from from focus point to focus point is what fuji needs to work on
Most of the other manufacturers at midrange point cameras will fail AF tests especially if you looking for them
An A6700. Also an APSC sensor and $1100 cheaper has the absolute best autofocus on the market. Same AF as the A7RV. Sony’s best autofocus available
@@CadenMcCullough2424 also OM1, cheaper (Winter Discount) its 50% of xh2s and AF is excellent.
Nonsense, it does not exist such out of the box thing in camera world
i've owned several sony cameras. a6000, a6400, a73. All cheaper than the xh2s. i simply put them in M mode, set shutter speed and apeture, press record and they work. AF settings didn't need adjusting. just used them as they came, straight out of the box. and they work. they stick to the face.
the tests i did, the simple (and admittedly boring lol) walking back and forth was as easy as it gets. i didn't try to fool the camera. never even gave the camera my back. i didn't move around like a maniac. jump in and out in an urealistic manner. just waking back and forth. occasionally stepping out of frame then stepping back in.
all my other cameras, except my m43 cameras and older canon camers (t4i) who used contrast detect, would easily pass such a simple test.
For me V7 is even worse than V6. Fuji has the worst AFC for video and it's a shame in 2024. I regret to have their flagship camera, it's a joke.
Many things I love about fuji and I'll always own at least one body and my beloved 23f2/50f2 combo... but I'm starting to wonder if I should have bought the xh2s, maybe I should have stuck to using afs with my old xh1 like have been for a while now
This was probably the most boring video I've ever seen on TH-cam
Thanks for watching
You want subway surfers on the bottom to help you focus? 🥺
Yeah, absolutely ridiculous AF sucks.
I am old school photographer who using Fuji cameras, Fuji is great, but you have to use the MF.