Imagine if Lenovo released a 2024 version of this laptop with a Qualcomm processor. I've been holding off for 2 years to upgrade my laptop, but this could be the one i've waited for.
OH THATS THE REASON WHY I WAS USED TO COPYING AND PASTING WITH MY THUMB AND MY INDEX FINGER IN THE OLD THINKPADS! I never noticed! When i switched to an hp, i wondered why its so much harder to ctrl + v, but after 5 years, i finally found out! Thank you josh!
Josh, thanks for the review. I agree with you on the price BUT I would say that if you are looking to buy this laptop just simply wait for one of Lenovo's legendary sales. For example, right now Lenovo has the z13 on sales at just over $1333 for Ryzen 5 CPU and $1579 (with Gen 7 6850 CUP, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD) plus tax and I would say at those prices it's a pretty reasonable purchase for what you are getting. I do wish Lenovo would stop playing these games and just price their systems in a sensible fashion. Generally speaking I would not go with the AMD 5 CPU because with that 5 series you get the Vega iGPU which is SIGNIFICANTLY less performant then the RDNA 2 iGPU you get with the Ryzen 7 (6800 series) CPU and Vega iGPU is significantly slower than Intel's IRIS iGPU. So if you have ANY aspirations of doing gaming or Graphics intensive I'd steer clear of the AMD 5 CPU. I'm surprised with your assessment of the z13 haptic trackpad...the majority of reviews I have seen on this laptop have lauded it's trackpad as being as good as the Apple trackpads...but to each his own. Other reviewers have said that by tweaking the trackpad's multiple settings they were able to tune to their liking. It's also interesting to note that the SDD in the Z13 is the smaller form factor SSD.....Other reviewers have noted that the performance of the z13's SSD was slower than they expected....maybe that's just a result of the specific SSD that Lenovo used in this laptop vs reflective of performance that you get with the smaller form factor SSD. How was the reflectiveness of the touch screen? Specifically could you get away using it in the shade outdoors? At 400+ nits it seems possible if the reflectivity is pretty low. I think the non-touch version of the display is more of a Matte screen finish vs the touch version that is anti-glare (presumably some coating to reduced the glossiness of the screen but it's not matte). The description of the touch screen is slightly different from the non-touch version which leads me to believe the non-touch is Matte.
Thanks Jet. Great comments. I honestly constantly learn and improve from you guys. Trackpad - I am not sure how much the others used the laptop. I can't speak for them only me. I used it alot. However trackpad feel is indeed subjective and a mater of preference - but I feel pretty strongly about this one. You can always buy it, try it, and return it, if it doesn't work for you Pricing - Even for Lenovo's I'm shocked at how nuts the discount is, so I should have said... Lenovo is known for having massive sales so keep an eye out.... but I 100% agree Lenovo needs to change this and offer more consistent pricing. They have themselves to blame here AMD Graphics - Noted re the AMD graphics on the 5 series. I didn't know that Reflectiveness - Moderately refelctive. I wouldn't use it (the touch) much outdoors even in the shade. I'd get the matte if indeed there is one
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@@JustJoshTech lenovo needs to change pricing, as the big sales are NA only, so if you happen to love somewhere else, you're out of luck.
Loud cooling fans really have no place in a laptop in this price class. It's nice to see AMD getting close to Apple Silicon in performance and battery life, while being x86.
Honestly, even if it were $1000 cheaper, I'd still be considering other laptops. $1259.99 + tax would still be just a premium starting price in a worst case scenario. The only other premium laptop of that size that starts at such a high price (that I can think of right now) is the LG Gram 14. The Spectre, XPS, and Zenbook start at a much cheaper price.
The XPS is an AWFUL option this year. It is a worse value, drops fundamental ports and gives too few of the remaining ones, solders EVERYTHING on the smaller model, and for the prices you'd pay, I'd just get a MacBook Air (better battery life and less bad stupid port decisions), HP Envy AMD (better battery life, port selection, and runs Windows), the Asus ROG x13 (about the same battery life as the XPS but with a better screen, port selection, dGPU, and well, everything), or even the HP Dev One if you like Linux. The XPS really fell this year. I mean, the build quality and QC issues were bad, but now they've crossed the line with bad QC AND bad products. For years I used to recommend Dell products, but since 2020 and having an XPS customer service nightmare, not anymore.
with that price, screen reflexion shouldn't even be an issue and 120hz the norm lol. I don't understand what justifies such a price except making a crazy margin.
I am always surprised to see reviews never mention the Wi-Fi issues on the new AMD ThinkPad lineup with the Qualcomm Atheros QCNFA725A Wi-Fi chip. I had to return my AMD ThinkPad mainly because the wi-fi connectivity was unusable.
I got one for about $700 and absolutely loving it! The touchpad needs some time to get used too but after that it feels way better than anything I used before (mostly other Thinkpads)
I've heard if you turn up the sensetivity it becomes a macbook. I'm working on buying the Z16 so I've been doing a lot of research. I'd be interested to know if you've done that already and if so was there a notable difference?
Josh! You mentioned the typing experience is a return to form and much better than other current Thinkpads due to the keyboard.You mentioned low key travel. What about actuation force? One big change I noticed that I felt detracted from the traditional Thinkpad typing experience in some of the newer Thinkpads (> 2020) is the increased amount of force needed to push down keys now which made for unpleasant long typing sessions.
@@kareemmehdi I just tested a thinkpad X1 yoga gen 6 and the keyboard is PERFECT for me. Good travel, low actuation force but good feedback. However the screen gave me weird eye strain (looks a bit grainy) so I returned is because it’s quite an expensive machine. I am hunting for a similar keyboard but can’t seem to find one anywhere else than the thinkpad line.. Why are manufacturers unable to make great keyboard 😪
I think another big thing to discuss is ARM vs x86. I had an M1 MBP and sold it to get a fully loaded Z13 (1tb ssd, 2,8k OLED touch screen, 32GB RAM) since it could properly run x86 VMs. If I could move my entire workflow to ARM with no issues, I would have kept the M1 MBP, but that just isn't possible right now Got mine for $1700 shipped through a deal for work, so that was a big plus
@@Alexandre-xz6jm I was legit able to configure the T14 Gen 3 with 32gb ram and the 6850u for like $1200. My browser applied 2 coupon codes to get it to that price. I would've snagged that if I didn't just buy a zenbook.
@@tvthecat So? Dell honestly is MORE in contract with Intel than Lenovo. I don't think Intel can force OEMs like that. Otherwise, I don't think their Legion 7 would be AMD Advantage this year...
Great Review mate. The crappy touchpad is a deal breaker. I don't know why they don't just remove the red nipple, I literally have had a few ThinkPads and have never ever used it, when I've tried to use it it's just annoying and useless compared to using the trackpad. They should have an option where you can add this nipple as an option if you really really have to have it, for those diehard users. I guarantee you that 95% of people with a thingpad never ever use this nipple
Some people, like myself, would never buy another Thinkpad without a trackpoint. I'm OK with it being an option. But if it was removed completely then it would be a deal breaker. There are a surprising number of people like myself so Lenovo would lose a lot of sales.
@@tnetroP yeah I get it some people like it. But I bet if u calculate them all up it's prob less than 5% of people who have a Thinkpad who actually use the nipple. They should def do some models where it's an option to have it with the buttons or just have a larger trackpad
Thanks for the review Josh! Quick question, when testing battery life is it accurate to assume all batteries discharge the same? That is, isn’t it true that batteries can “speed up” discharge as they get closer to 0% and this can vary by battery type and manufacturer? So a battery that discharges more at first might end up lasting longer as it holds charge better at low percentages? Just curious on your thoughts and thanks again for the great reviews!
I hate comments like this, but Josh is probably the best laptop reviewer on youtube, at least in my book. Keep doing what you do josh, I think you're on to something.
An ultraportable where you have to keep it on a desk and use an external mouse to enjoy it kinda defeats the purpose. I was actually excited when I saw this product at first precisely because the trackpad was haptic and it had Ryzen 6000 so I was hoping it could be like my MacBook Air M1 but run Linux instead. I'm very disappointed to find out that it is severely overpriced and that the main feature that attracted me (the trackpad) is actually one of its biggest downsides. Thanks for the honest review and saving people a lot of money buying this.
You should try it first. I bought this laptop and I absolutely love it. The trackpad isn't an issue at all. I think the trackpad issue is a very subjective thing. Josh didn't like it but there's other reviewers that say it's the best trackpad on a PC laptop right now. I personally haven't tried all PC laptops so I can't tell but I really love the trackpad on this one. Keyboard is also the best of any thin and light I think. I have a desktop at home so I mainly use my laptop outside of my home and the portability and battery life are excellent. I was looking for something small, light with a good keyboard and trackpad and this thing really does it for me.
I wanted to buy the 16 inch version, but just like the XPS, it only has 1080p and 4k options. 4k is an overkill and 1080p in my opinion does not belong on a laptop with this price. Otherwise looks like a good overall laptop
Same. Sucks cause theres really no other laptop to buy except the Z16 and XPS that tick my boxes. But both downsides are the non QHD display options. Ofc I'd like high refresh rate too but if a laptop does everything else, I can skip it. Correct resolution is not a thing I can skip out on Maybe I will just keep coping to find the perfect laptop, at least I dont need one asap, can wait till next year
@@israellewis5484 It's funny cause they love to put 2.8k screen on 14 inch laptops with high refresh rate but then they don't put similar panels or QHD on 15+ inch laptops Edit: Just as I wrote that I found a Asus Vivobook S 15 OLED that has a 2.8k 120hz OLED panel.....but it's 16:9 And to be frank, I don't like the Vivobooks layouts, throw the damn numpad away
Dont forget to pay accidental damage insurance. The replacement screen cost $1000+ and sold as assembly. RX 6500M has no h265 encoding, useless for rendering and streaming. Good as a fashion business laptop to impress office visitors. As a content creator, good alternative x1 extreme with 3050 ti
Should i go for this laptop or MacBook air m2? I'm a fan of MacBook's trackpad. Good trackpad is really important for me. Currently this laptop oled 16gb 500gb is £1000 which is cheaper.
Dear Josh I really appreciate your efforts and you are my favorite laptop reviewer. However your suggestion for Lenono 'leaving the track poin't' for a ThinkPad aficionado is an absolute 'No Go'. ThinkPad sales still thrive partly due to the following oddities: Track point and Fn & Ctrl button's position. Btw why don't you propose Apple to change the Command key and Fn key layout? They are as i'inproper' as the one of ThinkPads
Thank you for the comments. It is certainly subjective. Look here's my opinion with Mac keyboard layout. I don't think its as bad being different as for ThinkPads. Mac uses a different operating system that is designed for that layout. With the ThinkPad layout ... the vast majority of Windows keyboards have a certain layout for that operating system. It is hard to adjust to ThinkPads coming from another Windows PC keyboard.
@@JustJoshTech Dear Josh first of all thank you for spending some of your valuable time in order to evaluate my comment; it’s obvious that we disagree! Please allow me to elaborate in more detail my point of view: Urging Lenovo to “leave the trackpoint” could lead to a marginal enlargement of the trackpad’s surface so as to facilitate to a larger extent the needs of the users that solely use the trackpad˙ it will be a marginal gain for them. However, that will detriment the workflow of thousands of ThinkPad users that are totally accustomed to using the trackpoint. I am one of these users and no matter how much you may disagree, I find the trackpoint to be more useful and more precise than the trackpad. I know I could be characterized as a “dog that can’t be taught new tricks” but this is the case for me and thousands of more of "ThinkPad aficionados". Despite our disagreement, I would like to congratulate you on your hard, exquisite and enlightening work: Your mum has every reason to be proud of you.
The only down side to Dell laptops is the parts are hard to source that's why I don't buy them. I have a Toshiba satellite laptop from November the 9,2009. And I don't have no problem up until now with it I only changed the hard drive to TB and the ram to 4. So you can do the math how many years I have it for. I am an accountant plus graphic designer so it's how you take care of a device makes it last longer. I only do video editing and no issues so now am wondering which laptop to buy to meet back to my Toshiba.
brilliant as always, can I ask, what is your daily driver ? or do you have a few depending on what you are doing, love to know, if you don't mind, thank you.
Could you look at Lenovo ThinkBook 13s with Ryzen 6000 chips? I'd ask for the ThinkBook 14 as it has a much better port selection, but Lenovo only 'upgraded' it to the 5625u and 5825u.
@@Alexandre-xz6jm I just bought a used Lenovo Thinkbook 15 g3 acl 21a4 (Ryzen 5 5500u, 256gb m2 ssd, 8gb DDR4-3200 RAM... 4gb soldered unfortunately, best option I could find is the G.Skill Ripjaws F4-3200C22S-32GRS 1x32gb and I would have to accept dual channel only for the first 8gb? Got it on ebay for 350 usd, what are its issues? I saw that it only uses an internal battery so that would mean opening it up for replacement. What other issues does it have? I thought about even selling it and upgrade, but I don't know what the next step up is. I guess if I bought a better laptop it would need to have 16gb ram included and probably dedicated graphics card. I don't necessarily need a better cpu, but processing power and RAM is a higher prioritization for me because of my needs. Needs are working with plc programming with Siemens TIA Portal application and I think that app primarily needs a lot of ram. MAYBE it would be nice to have a dedicated graphics card to be able to play but I already have a ps5 and not even playing that much so I guess that's less of a priority compared to the laptop just needing to be fast
Isn't the trackpad supposed to be close to the MacBook's? I thought it incorporated haptic feedback since it is (supposed to be and feel like) Force Touch or is that just plain wrong? Asking since at least one other reviewer pointed out that the trackpad almost felt as good as the MacBook's.
I own this laptop and it's the best trackpad I've used that isn't on a macbook. The issues that Josh pointed aren't invalid, they're just really subjective imo.
I do not agree on the advice buying the lower core 6650U instead of 6850U or 6860Z. In Notebookchekcs testing the latter were 50% faster! Noise level was aximum 41 dBA and temperatures were mostly below 50 °C. This are allright values even though with the 6650 the values were lower.
Hi Josh. Your last brush with a Surface machine seems to go back to the disaster that was Surface Laptop 3. But guess a Surface Laptop reference in the screen size chart here at 1:36 would be useful because of its 3:2 aspect ratio.
hey.. were you able to get hands-on with Fujitsu's UH-X series? where i'm based, all i get is Intel models (11th and 12th gen i5/ i7) and i'm still on fence if i should get AMD ones from other OEMs or grab Fujitsu. i reallllyyyy like the form factors, light weight and ports they were able to squeeze in
Im really torn on Lenovo's laptops. Because I want BOTH an OLED display + good battery life but Lenovo always cuts corners on battery capacity for some odd reason. Meanwhile, Asus ZenBook 14 offers the exact same OLED with 75Wh battery starting at only $649.
I agree with the OLED, but I can’t live with 8GB of ram. Also do you have any idea if ASUS uses the same type of digitizer causing a screen door effect as Lenovo?
@@tanker242 There are 16GB models of UX3402, UM3402, and UM5302 (Intel 12th Gen, Ryzen 5000, Ryzen 6000). Here in the US it's available at Costco for $1200. Don't know about the digitizer thing but I don't think that's same thing as IPS screen-door-effect. Also it only exists on OLED panels with optional touchscreen, so Asus ZenBooks are not affected.
Would you please make a review for Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Laptop | 14" 2.8K OLED Display| AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS | 16GB RAM | 1TB SSD | NVIDIA GeForce MX450 (2GB) | Windows 11 Home | for 1400euro
I don’t know… the fact you can get a 14 inch and 13 inch laptop or 2 in 1 with a 2.8k OLED for less than half the price…. I’m willing to take a hit in build quality assuming nothing breaks in the first 4 years of use.
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The MacBook also can run Linux although it is a bit unstable right now.
I'm on the market for a new laptop. I really want to try AMD go the first time. I currently own a Dell XPS 9380. I was tempted yo buy this one but lacks of ports make me wondering if T14S would be a better choice. Alternatives? TIA in advance
I disagree about the trackpad thing ... in my opinion they should BRING BACK the physical buttons to supplement the track point ... The ONLY reason to buy a Think branded laptop is the iconic keyboard / Trackpoint. Most users would disable the touchpad entirely. I couldn't use that track point without the physical buttons, it would drive me nuts. Shame because otherwise this laptop looks good.
the new flat physical buttons suck too, I'm gonna give this one a try, probably regret it. I wonder if you can turn the trackPad off on the Z13 so only the button area responds?
@@cryptoctupus5680 I highly recommend you wait if you want a new ThinkPad. CES2022 is just about to take place, the X1 Carbon Gen 11 is gonna be a nice upgrade from the current Gen 10, and it has a more traditional track point and track point buttons as well. From what I hear, they'll be available for sale in March/April. Skip the Z13, not worth it.
@@AlTheEngineer Too late, bought the Z13 for $1160 so if I hate the lack of trackPoint buttons I'll most likely get my money back if I sell quickly. I'll probably be going with the X13 if I don't like the Z13, 13.3 is my favourite screen size atm.
Hmm, those prices don’t seem right-I’m guessing that this was in between those constant sales they have. It would be good if they had more clarity in pricing generally though, instead of relying on these gimmicks all the time
To your point about chasse and cooling - A comparison between T14s G3 and Z13 would be useful - Apparently the T14s runs the Ryzen 7 faster and cooler. Even the top spec'd screen on T14s is still several hundred cheaper than the Z13 - so I reckon it's all 'millennial' hype and vegan leather...
These 2 USB-C laptops are awful, because it means you have one port left if you're charging. Just because Apple and Dell do it doesn't mean that it's acceptable (see: Asus, LG).
This is an ultrabook, so the priority is using it on battery. I rarely use my MB Pro 13 M1 tied to a power outlet. I get 16-18 hours S0T, so easily get through a day and charge at night.
Been a while since you asked, but for anyone coming here with the same question: It is locked down initially but you can unlock easily it by changing just one setting in the BIOS.
Hello! Great video! I’m stuck between two options. Based solely only on the best display. Which display is better xps13 3.5k oled or the Z13 2.8k oled display? Im a content creator. Please help on your advice
Who would've though we would be saying apple's laptops are now cheaper than most of their competitors lol I do think this laptop looks a bit nicer than the macbooks though.
Bad cooling Bad track pad Bad keyboard No physical webcam shutter No physical track point buttons Uncommon 2242 ssd slot instead of 2280 Lenovo should simply use ThinkPad x1 carbon/nano chassis and calls it z1 carbon/nano
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Imagine if Lenovo released a 2024 version of this laptop with a Qualcomm processor. I've been holding off for 2 years to upgrade my laptop, but this could be the one i've waited for.
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OH THATS THE REASON WHY I WAS USED TO COPYING AND PASTING WITH MY THUMB AND MY INDEX FINGER IN THE OLD THINKPADS! I never noticed! When i switched to an hp, i wondered why its so much harder to ctrl + v, but after 5 years, i finally found out! Thank you josh!
Josh, thanks for the review. I agree with you on the price BUT I would say that if you are looking to buy this laptop just simply wait for one of Lenovo's legendary sales. For example, right now Lenovo has the z13 on sales at just over $1333 for Ryzen 5 CPU and $1579 (with Gen 7 6850 CUP, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD) plus tax and I would say at those prices it's a pretty reasonable purchase for what you are getting. I do wish Lenovo would stop playing these games and just price their systems in a sensible fashion.
Generally speaking I would not go with the AMD 5 CPU because with that 5 series you get the Vega iGPU which is SIGNIFICANTLY less performant then the RDNA 2 iGPU you get with the Ryzen 7 (6800 series) CPU and Vega iGPU is significantly slower than Intel's IRIS iGPU. So if you have ANY aspirations of doing gaming or Graphics intensive I'd steer clear of the AMD 5 CPU.
I'm surprised with your assessment of the z13 haptic trackpad...the majority of reviews I have seen on this laptop have lauded it's trackpad as being as good as the Apple trackpads...but to each his own. Other reviewers have said that by tweaking the trackpad's multiple settings they were able to tune to their liking.
It's also interesting to note that the SDD in the Z13 is the smaller form factor SSD.....Other reviewers have noted that the performance of the z13's SSD was slower than they expected....maybe that's just a result of the specific SSD that Lenovo used in this laptop vs reflective of performance that you get with the smaller form factor SSD.
How was the reflectiveness of the touch screen? Specifically could you get away using it in the shade outdoors? At 400+ nits it seems possible if the reflectivity is pretty low. I think the non-touch version of the display is more of a Matte screen finish vs the touch version that is anti-glare (presumably some coating to reduced the glossiness of the screen but it's not matte). The description of the touch screen is slightly different from the non-touch version which leads me to believe the non-touch is Matte.
Thanks Jet. Great comments. I honestly constantly learn and improve from you guys.
Trackpad - I am not sure how much the others used the laptop. I can't speak for them only me. I used it alot. However trackpad feel is indeed subjective and a mater of preference - but I feel pretty strongly about this one. You can always buy it, try it, and return it, if it doesn't work for you
Pricing - Even for Lenovo's I'm shocked at how nuts the discount is, so I should have said... Lenovo is known for having massive sales so keep an eye out.... but I 100% agree Lenovo needs to change this and offer more consistent pricing. They have themselves to blame here
AMD Graphics - Noted re the AMD graphics on the 5 series. I didn't know that
Reflectiveness - Moderately refelctive. I wouldn't use it (the touch) much outdoors even in the shade. I'd get the matte if indeed there is one
@@JustJoshTech lenovo needs to change pricing, as the big sales are NA only, so if you happen to love somewhere else, you're out of luck.
Loud cooling fans really have no place in a laptop in this price class. It's nice to see AMD getting close to Apple Silicon in performance and battery life, while being x86.
Honestly, even if it were $1000 cheaper, I'd still be considering other laptops. $1259.99 + tax would still be just a premium starting price in a worst case scenario. The only other premium laptop of that size that starts at such a high price (that I can think of right now) is the LG Gram 14. The Spectre, XPS, and Zenbook start at a much cheaper price.
The XPS is an AWFUL option this year. It is a worse value, drops fundamental ports and gives too few of the remaining ones, solders EVERYTHING on the smaller model, and for the prices you'd pay, I'd just get a MacBook Air (better battery life and less bad stupid port decisions), HP Envy AMD (better battery life, port selection, and runs Windows), the Asus ROG x13 (about the same battery life as the XPS but with a better screen, port selection, dGPU, and well, everything), or even the HP Dev One if you like Linux. The XPS really fell this year. I mean, the build quality and QC issues were bad, but now they've crossed the line with bad QC AND bad products. For years I used to recommend Dell products, but since 2020 and having an XPS customer service nightmare, not anymore.
Heck, even Josh pulled his recommendation for the XPS 13 Plus due to these QC issues and the XPS 13 9315 is a P.O.S.
Trick is to get it on sale. I got my x1 for right about $1300 closer to Black Friday. Before discounts, it was more like $2800.
Got my top of the line Z13 for under $1200...just gotta wait for a sale + rakuten cashback.
with that price, screen reflexion shouldn't even be an issue and 120hz the norm lol. I don't understand what justifies such a price except making a crazy margin.
I couldn't be happier with my z13
After watching your review, I have decided to drop my plan to buy it.
Dealbreaker: No dedicated buttons for TrackPoint.
Also the keyboard layout is incorrect for a ThinkPad (e.g. page up/down)
I think the z13 is certified for Ubuntu 20.04. This is one of those laptops you buy when Lenovo has a sale.
So their AMD gpu now fully get recognized as rdna device on 20.04 lts ?
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I am always surprised to see reviews never mention the Wi-Fi issues on the new AMD ThinkPad lineup with the Qualcomm Atheros QCNFA725A Wi-Fi chip. I had to return my AMD ThinkPad mainly because the wi-fi connectivity was unusable.
Interesting, i didn't have issues while i used it.
I got one for about $700 and absolutely loving it! The touchpad needs some time to get used too but after that it feels way better than anything I used before (mostly other Thinkpads)
I've heard if you turn up the sensetivity it becomes a macbook. I'm working on buying the Z16 so I've been doing a lot of research. I'd be interested to know if you've done that already and if so was there a notable difference?
Great review Josh, thanks. Bet your mother can't wait to get her hands on that trackpad.
Josh! You mentioned the typing experience is a return to form and much better than other current Thinkpads due to the keyboard.You mentioned low key travel. What about actuation force? One big change I noticed that I felt detracted from the traditional Thinkpad typing experience in some of the newer Thinkpads (> 2020) is the increased amount of force needed to push down keys now which made for unpleasant long typing sessions.
I 100% agree with this and I am interested in his answer
It might be that the switches in newer Thinkpads are less worn so they have more actuation force
@@kareemmehdi I just tested a thinkpad X1 yoga gen 6 and the keyboard is PERFECT for me. Good travel, low actuation force but good feedback. However the screen gave me weird eye strain (looks a bit grainy) so I returned is because it’s quite an expensive machine. I am hunting for a similar keyboard but can’t seem to find one anywhere else than the thinkpad line.. Why are manufacturers unable to make great keyboard 😪
Hey Josh, I wonder if you're going to review the 16" variant. Great video by the way, I was really missing it.
I think another big thing to discuss is ARM vs x86. I had an M1 MBP and sold it to get a fully loaded Z13 (1tb ssd, 2,8k OLED touch screen, 32GB RAM) since it could properly run x86 VMs. If I could move my entire workflow to ARM with no issues, I would have kept the M1 MBP, but that just isn't possible right now
Got mine for $1700 shipped through a deal for work, so that was a big plus
How is the battery life
They should have made an AMD ThinkPad X1 Carbon. That would have been top notch.
Just get the T14 gen 3 with amd
@@Alexandre-xz6jm I was legit able to configure the T14 Gen 3 with 32gb ram and the 6850u for like $1200. My browser applied 2 coupon codes to get it to that price. I would've snagged that if I didn't just buy a zenbook.
Never going to happen since Intel has a contract with Lenovo.
@@tvthecat So? Dell honestly is MORE in contract with Intel than Lenovo. I don't think Intel can force OEMs like that. Otherwise, I don't think their Legion 7 would be AMD Advantage this year...
@@Alexandre-xz6jm Not the same. T series isn't worth as much compared to the Carbon.
Great Review mate. The crappy touchpad is a deal breaker. I don't know why they don't just remove the red nipple, I literally have had a few ThinkPads and have never ever used it, when I've tried to use it it's just annoying and useless compared to using the trackpad. They should have an option where you can add this nipple as an option if you really really have to have it, for those diehard users. I guarantee you that 95% of people with a thingpad never ever use this nipple
Some people, like myself, would never buy another Thinkpad without a trackpoint. I'm OK with it being an option. But if it was removed completely then it would be a deal breaker. There are a surprising number of people like myself so Lenovo would lose a lot of sales.
@@tnetroP yeah I get it some people like it. But I bet if u calculate them all up it's prob less than 5% of people who have a Thinkpad who actually use the nipple. They should def do some models where it's an option to have it with the buttons or just have a larger trackpad
@@DigitalSamTV Maybe have a look at every other laptop that Lenovo sells. O ly the ThinkPad range has it.
no, i like te thinkpad range as its highger spec, more durable etc. the nipple isnt a deal breaker but the touchpad should def be improved. @@tnetroP
Thanks for the review Josh! Quick question, when testing battery life is it accurate to assume all batteries discharge the same? That is, isn’t it true that batteries can “speed up” discharge as they get closer to 0% and this can vary by battery type and manufacturer? So a battery that discharges more at first might end up lasting longer as it holds charge better at low percentages? Just curious on your thoughts and thanks again for the great reviews!
Please make a video about the Best $500 - $1 000 laptops of 2022
I hate comments like this, but Josh is probably the best laptop reviewer on youtube, at least in my book. Keep doing what you do josh, I think you're on to something.
An ultraportable where you have to keep it on a desk and use an external mouse to enjoy it kinda defeats the purpose. I was actually excited when I saw this product at first precisely because the trackpad was haptic and it had Ryzen 6000 so I was hoping it could be like my MacBook Air M1 but run Linux instead. I'm very disappointed to find out that it is severely overpriced and that the main feature that attracted me (the trackpad) is actually one of its biggest downsides. Thanks for the honest review and saving people a lot of money buying this.
You should try it first. I bought this laptop and I absolutely love it. The trackpad isn't an issue at all. I think the trackpad issue is a very subjective thing. Josh didn't like it but there's other reviewers that say it's the best trackpad on a PC laptop right now. I personally haven't tried all PC laptops so I can't tell but I really love the trackpad on this one. Keyboard is also the best of any thin and light I think.
I have a desktop at home so I mainly use my laptop outside of my home and the portability and battery life are excellent. I was looking for something small, light with a good keyboard and trackpad and this thing really does it for me.
I wanted to buy the 16 inch version, but just like the XPS, it only has 1080p and 4k options. 4k is an overkill and 1080p in my opinion does not belong on a laptop with this price. Otherwise looks like a good overall laptop
Same. Sucks cause theres really no other laptop to buy except the Z16 and XPS that tick my boxes. But both downsides are the non QHD display options. Ofc I'd like high refresh rate too but if a laptop does everything else, I can skip it. Correct resolution is not a thing I can skip out on
Maybe I will just keep coping to find the perfect laptop, at least I dont need one asap, can wait till next year
Seems like the OEM's don't care about 1440p.
And I genuinely want to know why.
@@israellewis5484 It's funny cause they love to put 2.8k screen on 14 inch laptops with high refresh rate but then they don't put similar panels or QHD on 15+ inch laptops
Edit: Just as I wrote that I found a Asus Vivobook S 15 OLED that has a 2.8k 120hz OLED panel.....but it's 16:9
And to be frank, I don't like the Vivobooks layouts, throw the damn numpad away
@@TheFFsage i read the Z16 runs hot..
OLED is also shorten battery a lot. And yes, 2K pannels is better.
Wow I have been waiting for this video, thanks 😍
Great video!! Admirer of this channel
Always great reviews
Looks beautiful, but wow at the price. Will you recommend this over the HP Dragonfly?
Great video! Can you review the Asus zenbook s13? It has the ryzen 6800u and it costs the same as the xps 13.
The world's most underrated and honest tech reviewer on TH-cam, period.
Dont forget to pay accidental damage insurance. The replacement screen cost $1000+ and sold as assembly. RX 6500M has no h265 encoding, useless for rendering and streaming. Good as a fashion business laptop to impress office visitors. As a content creator, good alternative x1 extreme with 3050 ti
How would you compare it to the Nano x1? I love my Nano Gen 1.
Would love to see a review on the dell 9315
Glad to have such a great portable option for those of us who will only use a laptop with the red trackpoint.
Hey. Nice to see Above and Beyond in that video :-)
Should i go for this laptop or MacBook air m2? I'm a fan of MacBook's trackpad. Good trackpad is really important for me. Currently this laptop oled 16gb 500gb is £1000 which is cheaper.
Thank you for great on point review😊
Dear Josh I really appreciate your efforts and you are my favorite laptop reviewer. However your suggestion for Lenono 'leaving the track poin't' for a ThinkPad aficionado is an absolute 'No Go'. ThinkPad sales still thrive partly due to the following oddities: Track point and Fn & Ctrl button's position. Btw why don't you propose Apple to change the Command key and Fn key layout? They are as i'inproper' as the one of ThinkPads
Thank you for the comments. It is certainly subjective. Look here's my opinion with Mac keyboard layout. I don't think its as bad being different as for ThinkPads. Mac uses a different operating system that is designed for that layout. With the ThinkPad layout ... the vast majority of Windows keyboards have a certain layout for that operating system. It is hard to adjust to ThinkPads coming from another Windows PC keyboard.
@@JustJoshTech Dear Josh first of all thank you for spending some of your valuable time in order to evaluate my comment; it’s obvious that we disagree! Please allow me to elaborate in more detail my point of view: Urging Lenovo to “leave the trackpoint” could lead to a marginal enlargement of the trackpad’s surface so as to facilitate to a larger extent the needs of the users that solely use the trackpad˙ it will be a marginal gain for them. However, that will detriment the workflow of thousands of ThinkPad users that are totally accustomed to using the trackpoint. I am one of these users and no matter how much you may disagree, I find the trackpoint to be more useful and more precise than the trackpad. I know I could be characterized as a “dog that can’t be taught new tricks” but this is the case for me and thousands of more of "ThinkPad aficionados". Despite our disagreement, I would like to congratulate you on your hard, exquisite and enlightening work: Your mum has every reason to be proud of you.
How about memory, ssd, wifi chip, and battery repairability?
Nowadays it can be found for under 1400US with the cooler r5. How does that change things you think?
"...but the apple/mac is better..."
pretty much every review he does ends with this phrase you can almost bet money on it
The only down side to Dell laptops is the parts are hard to source that's why I don't buy them. I have a Toshiba satellite laptop from November the 9,2009. And I don't have no problem up until now with it I only changed the hard drive to TB and the ram to 4. So you can do the math how many years I have it for. I am an accountant plus graphic designer so it's how you take care of a device makes it last longer. I only do video editing and no issues so now am wondering which laptop to buy to meet back to my Toshiba.
brilliant as always, can I ask, what is your daily driver ? or do you have a few depending on what you are doing, love to know, if you don't mind, thank you.
Hi just been told won a prize can you confirm this is ok and real please
10:40 "I am so glad this review was over" you should have started with that.
As a hardcore Linux user I'm starting to consider Apple with these prices.
Could you look at Lenovo ThinkBook 13s with Ryzen 6000 chips? I'd ask for the ThinkBook 14 as it has a much better port selection, but Lenovo only 'upgraded' it to the 5625u and 5825u.
ThinkBook as a lot of issues, avoid it.
@@Alexandre-xz6jm I just bought a used Lenovo Thinkbook 15 g3 acl 21a4 (Ryzen 5 5500u, 256gb m2 ssd, 8gb DDR4-3200 RAM... 4gb soldered unfortunately, best option I could find is the G.Skill Ripjaws F4-3200C22S-32GRS 1x32gb and I would have to accept dual channel only for the first 8gb? Got it on ebay for 350 usd, what are its issues? I saw that it only uses an internal battery so that would mean opening it up for replacement. What other issues does it have? I thought about even selling it and upgrade, but I don't know what the next step up is. I guess if I bought a better laptop it would need to have 16gb ram included and probably dedicated graphics card. I don't necessarily need a better cpu, but processing power and RAM is a higher prioritization for me because of my needs. Needs are working with plc programming with Siemens TIA Portal application and I think that app primarily needs a lot of ram. MAYBE it would be nice to have a dedicated graphics card to be able to play but I already have a ps5 and not even playing that much so I guess that's less of a priority compared to the laptop just needing to be fast
Got my X1 carbon 7 for nearly half the price in 2020. WTF has happened to pricing of thinkpads?
covid happened, they're obviously having trouble obtaining parts. Which is why even the T14s series comes with a horrible display
Isn't the trackpad supposed to be close to the MacBook's? I thought it incorporated haptic feedback since it is (supposed to be and feel like) Force Touch or is that just plain wrong?
Asking since at least one other reviewer pointed out that the trackpad almost felt as good as the MacBook's.
I own this laptop and it's the best trackpad I've used that isn't on a macbook. The issues that Josh pointed aren't invalid, they're just really subjective imo.
@@theburgundynetwork3432 Ah, thank you for sharing.
Hi Josh,
Can you link the thinkpad wallpaper?
I do not agree on the advice buying the lower core 6650U instead of 6850U or 6860Z. In Notebookchekcs testing the latter were 50% faster! Noise level was aximum 41 dBA and temperatures were mostly below 50 °C. This are allright values even though with the 6650 the values were lower.
The MacBook Air looks sexier? Surely not. larger bezels, fugly as hell notch.
Did you have hardware acceleration enabled in Chrome on the ThinkPad?
Hi Josh. Your last brush with a Surface machine seems to go back to the disaster that was Surface Laptop 3. But guess a Surface Laptop reference in the screen size chart here at 1:36 would be useful because of its 3:2 aspect ratio.
hey.. were you able to get hands-on with Fujitsu's UH-X series? where i'm based, all i get is Intel models (11th and 12th gen i5/ i7) and i'm still on fence if i should get AMD ones from other OEMs or grab Fujitsu.
i reallllyyyy like the form factors, light weight and ports they were able to squeeze in
ASUS ROG Flow X13 review perhaps, if possible?
Another Great Review-- YAY!!! 🙏👌
Thinkpad Z16 please josh!
Any link for his wallpaper?
Just create a 15 inch version of this already, would be perfect
You GET thumb up after 20sec
Im really torn on Lenovo's laptops. Because I want BOTH an OLED display + good battery life but Lenovo always cuts corners on battery capacity for some odd reason.
Meanwhile, Asus ZenBook 14 offers the exact same OLED with 75Wh battery starting at only $649.
I agree with the OLED, but I can’t live with 8GB of ram. Also do you have any idea if ASUS uses the same type of digitizer causing a screen door effect as Lenovo?
@@tanker242 There are 16GB models of UX3402, UM3402, and UM5302 (Intel 12th Gen, Ryzen 5000, Ryzen 6000). Here in the US it's available at Costco for $1200.
Don't know about the digitizer thing but I don't think that's same thing as IPS screen-door-effect. Also it only exists on OLED panels with optional touchscreen, so Asus ZenBooks are not affected.
Would you please make a review for Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Laptop | 14" 2.8K OLED Display| AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS | 16GB RAM | 1TB SSD | NVIDIA GeForce MX450 (2GB) | Windows 11 Home | for 1400euro
I don’t know… the fact you can get a 14 inch and 13 inch laptop or 2 in 1 with a 2.8k OLED for less than half the price…. I’m willing to take a hit in build quality assuming nothing breaks in the first 4 years of use.
The MacBook also can run Linux although it is a bit unstable right now.
Lessgooo josh. make yo momma happy
hi..iam thinking of getting the asus zenbook space edition.. any suggestions or recommendations of other device in the same price range
I'm on the market for a new laptop. I really want to try AMD go the first time. I currently own a Dell XPS 9380. I was tempted yo buy this one but lacks of ports make me wondering if T14S would be a better choice. Alternatives? TIA in advance
thinkPad x13 AMD is a good alternative, avoid the privacy screen option tho
I disagree about the trackpad thing ... in my opinion they should BRING BACK the physical buttons to supplement the track point ... The ONLY reason to buy a Think branded laptop is the iconic keyboard / Trackpoint. Most users would disable the touchpad entirely. I couldn't use that track point without the physical buttons, it would drive me nuts. Shame because otherwise this laptop looks good.
the new flat physical buttons suck too, I'm gonna give this one a try, probably regret it.
I wonder if you can turn the trackPad off on the Z13 so only the button area responds?
@@cryptoctupus5680 I highly recommend you wait if you want a new ThinkPad. CES2022 is just about to take place, the X1 Carbon Gen 11 is gonna be a nice upgrade from the current Gen 10, and it has a more traditional track point and track point buttons as well. From what I hear, they'll be available for sale in March/April. Skip the Z13, not worth it.
@@AlTheEngineer Too late, bought the Z13 for $1160 so if I hate the lack of trackPoint buttons I'll most likely get my money back if I sell quickly. I'll probably be going with the X13 if I don't like the Z13, 13.3 is my favourite screen size atm.
Is this a re-upload?
Yeah had to fix something. I put a comment up earlier about that. Sorry. I'm a perfectionist :)
@@JustJoshTech No, problem. I thought I was in the Matrix 😅
the TrackPad is basically the ThinkPad 40 series all over again
No, this one is way better than the 40 series ThinkPad since this is a haptic trackpad
so the price and the trackpad.....got it
Those half-sized arrow keys are an aberration I didn't want to see even on a Lenovo. Shame.
FN key last is better. You dont need to stretch pinky to reach it.
Pls review infinix inbook x1
Absurdly expensive, an X13/T14 G3 AMD is good enough.
Right now, this is selling at 1.75k, quite the bargain, and with max specs.
Hmm, those prices don’t seem right-I’m guessing that this was in between those constant sales they have. It would be good if they had more clarity in pricing generally though, instead of relying on these gimmicks all the time
Hey! the screen is 120hz?
To your point about chasse and cooling - A comparison between T14s G3 and Z13 would be useful - Apparently the T14s runs the Ryzen 7 faster and cooler. Even the top spec'd screen on T14s is still several hundred cheaper than the Z13 - so I reckon it's all 'millennial' hype and vegan leather...
please do the z16
This or the nano?
These 2 USB-C laptops are awful, because it means you have one port left if you're charging. Just because Apple and Dell do it doesn't mean that it's acceptable (see: Asus, LG).
This is an ultrabook, so the priority is using it on battery. I rarely use my MB Pro 13 M1 tied to a power outlet. I get 16-18 hours S0T, so easily get through a day and charge at night.
@@andyH_England Sure, if you want to run the battery down for no reason.
Josh, can I ask if the chip (the pro chip) here is locked so that it can only install windows, and cannot install any Linux?
Been a while since you asked, but for anyone coming here with the same question: It is locked down initially but you can unlock easily it by changing just one setting in the BIOS.
@@Creativitybias thanks for the reply! Much appreciated!
This laptop at it's current price just doesn't make sense. The ThinkPad X13 Gen 3 (AMD) has similar specs and starts at £1,167 in the UK.
Here in Denmark it costs as more than a macbook pro 14 !!!!
Why are u series amd processors more expensive now? Less performance, more money?
Amazing review!
Smash this video’s like button! 😊
Seen to be a good laptop but the price is insane...
Now I can buy a x200
Thinkpad are great but the price are not so....great.
if this laptop was for sale for under 500 usd is it worth it?
I'd say so
Where is my Comment????
I have written "Overhyped and overpriced" and it has been removed by someone...
Great review. Shame the trackpad design sounds iffy, that’s a real pain to put up with especially at that price
Hello! Great video! I’m stuck between two options. Based solely only on the best display. Which display is better xps13 3.5k oled or the Z13 2.8k oled display? Im a content creator. Please help on your advice
Absurdly expensive.
WALLPAPER PLEASE
❤️❤️❤️
M1 Max MBP14/MBP16 trounces both Intel and AMD.
Less price, more performance in Apple.
Who would've though we would be saying apple's laptops are now cheaper than most of their competitors lol
I do think this laptop looks a bit nicer than the macbooks though.
$2K for a 13" laptop is quite high. One can get a reasonably spec Macbook Air M2 for this price.
Its on clearance now for $1300, would that be a good laptop for the price? (32gb ram, 1tb ssd)
Bad cooling
Bad track pad
Bad keyboard
No physical webcam shutter
No physical track point buttons
Uncommon 2242 ssd slot instead of 2280
Lenovo should simply use ThinkPad x1 carbon/nano chassis and calls it z1 carbon/nano