I cropped a screenshot of the walloff in the beginning and posted it in my clan chat, asked "Guess the rank of the player". They were guessing Silver 2.
I skipped to the most interesting bits and this was sick! I don't play, but I watch quite a bit of SC2, and it's so fun to see some creative and more unusual play. Keep the coming!
Movespeed is most underrated stat in every single game so far. Look how much diff is zerg on and off creep. Even more, league of legends has a plenty of buffs/nerfs like 5 base MS to champion so it goes from 325 to 320 for example, and u literally can see 1-2% winrate grow/drop for this champ just cause of this 5 moovespeed diff. Same apllyed to WoW for example, beeing able to outrun ur opponent or get intime of some boss mechanics faster makes u perform much better. Dont think centryes will be that much played, since there is ravagers, but still.
I used to do that (forcefielding zergs out of their main) all the time in WOL. I would also add a hallucinated warp prism to distract the main army away. I should try it again.
Like a month ago I saw a pro game PvP where the defender was trying to hold their ramp from a pair of zealots. The defender partially lost because the sentry spawned on the outside of the ramp to the natural being chased by the zealot. The defender wanted to send a hallucination across the map but feeling the sentry was about to die they instead force fielded the ramp and lost the sentry to the zealot. After that game I feelt this interaction feelt very stupid and missmicroed and I came to realise slow zealots and sentries had the same speed (3.15) so the sentry 1 didn't need to force field the ramp as to at least block the zealots from seeing the main as it could have survived and the next unit would be out soon enough to mitigate meaningful damage, and 2. the sentry could just have ran away from the zealot continuously as they, surprisingly to me, where the same speed. Now with this new, quit modest speed increase, sentries actually are quite substantially faster than slow zealots and other early game units. I don't know the point of this but I reacted a lot stronger to the sentry speed buff than anyone else it seemed.
No one has ever raged harder from being walled out of your own base. I've made Salt Mines look like toddler rated PG scripts with some of the vile rage sentences ive put together 🤣🤣🤣
Me, seeing thumbnail: "Surely it's not an immortal sentry all in, that would be too beautiful to be true." Astrea: does an immortal sentry all in and wins This is the first game of this guy I've seen and now I'm his fan forever.
Could you make a terran low apm to high apm build order playlist? I'm trying to find your build order videos (that I found very useful in the past,) but I'm having a hard time figuring out what order I should be approaching things in. I understand the basic build order, but I feel like you made a few videos at some point that had a handful of different build orders that were less advanced and I can't find them. If it's not a bother it'd be much appreciated.
These are the two that I found that are still helpful, for anyone else looking for this (and there are a couple others, somewhere, but I couldn't find them): th-cam.com/video/M1QnDKucj3I/w-d-xo.html (the other one is 61 in the list, the direct link refuses to point at the right video, for some reason.)
what a creative first game... Astrea's unique wall off, reviving immortal sentry all ins, and Ratata with the very successful evolution chamber defense... congratulations to those players.
@@PiGstarcraft can you explain to me why Ratata only used like 5-10% of biles to break forcefields instead of focusing on draining Sentry energy by breaking all the forcefields with more biles? He had like 13 Ravagers and could probably break every forcefield immediately
Wow, this is what I call outplayed. The power in both of those games was not in really in brute force units, but on caster units that get better the more tactically you use them. Meanwhile terrans think higher skill means knowing how to stutter step smh.
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 No he did not... he tried to bile the army across the force field like 10 times instead of aiming for the force fields, especially on the ramp. He could have drained all sentries energy with no problem, but did not do it.
If there’s a year for Astrea to win Katowice, this might be it. New patch and new map pool in the last 3 months. Not saying it’s likely, but I can hope.
again zerg player sits back doing nothing and smapps queens to def all whilst going tech easily. played since sc1, i know its negative but queens are bull shi t. have a nice day all, gd commentary pig sry,pls fix queens
@@shaunkiyabu2707 Vs what though? Spores and Queens are more than enough early game AA. Hell, Queens don’t even take larva or gas to be decent. You gotta have stim and shields and medivacs and +1 before marines are even a good unit.
I wouldn’t really call Protoss OP, it’s just fundamentally broken. It’s definitely the lowest barrier to entry race for players who haven’t got solid mechanics but once you have players who have solid enough mechanics Protoss really has to try to outplay Zerg and Terran with mind games because they can’t win against either of them through sheer technical capability besides some crazy prism micro. Disruptors hit hard, but they can also be hard to land while being useless on cooldown. Protoss really lacks any form of repositioning besides recall, and recall is on long enough a cooldown and still carries a risk of losing the unit. Zerg has creep to provide it a speed boost to reposition, Terran players almost always build enough medivacs to reposition their entire army considering they’ve been playing MMM since WoL. Very rarely will a toss player have more than one prism out because it doesn’t have enough carry capacity to justify it and its primary purpose is warping new units in and micro, not main army repositioning.
@@mckendrick7672 watpgate and recall at tier 1/1.5 tech shows how broken protoss is. That says it all. In broodwar recall was a tier 3 tech. Shows how stupid the balance is. Zerg has zero repositioning tools before lair. Adepts are more mobile than lings and roaches. Oracles cant be shot down by mutas. Nice try with the mental gymnastics.
@@mckendrick7672 and warpgate into my base just outright wins the game. Disruptors are piss poor balanced. If im out of position I get punished with warpgate. If you are out of position….omegalul ill just warp in units and recall…
@@shaunkiyabu2707 If you’re getting hit by big warp ins in your main base as Zerg you screwed up. Zerg has overlords and queens - use them. You have no reason to get hit by things which aren’t cloaked except because you don’t look at your map. I’m not sure exactly what can be done about warp gate. As a function of game design it has problems, but unless you want them to buff gateway units in exchange for losing warp gates (which I take it you don’t) there isn’t really a solution. Toss gateway units are too expensive, immobile and bad scaling into the late game without warp gates. If warp prisms turn into dropships toss just becomes a worse version of Terran. If warp gates didn’t exist and gateway units weren’t buffed we’d probably only ever see skytoss turtle gameplay, and I doubt you want that. Adept are mobile but there is a way to handle them - lings follow the shades, queens and roaches fight the adepts. Adepts are really the only useful early game unit protoss has and they’re rarely used as part of the actual deathball army because they cost more than zealots, have less health, deal less damage vs non-light units and end up being meat shields just like zealots. Do you know what shoots down oracles? Queens. And if you struggle with managing that you can build spores. You can scout that toss is building an oracle quickly - just look for an early stargate and prepare yourself for it. Without disruptors Toss has very little options in terms of aoe damage. Zerg has banelings, fungal, parisitic bomb, and lurkers, Terran has Widow Mines, Siege Tanks, etc, Toss has Psionic Storms (requires energy and only really good against light or clumped units), archons (short ranged, only good against clumps like mutas) and Colossi (only good against light like hydra/lings/marines). Disruptors are at least useless when the ability is on cooldown, Tier 3 units, only target ground, and can be visually seen when activated. If you really want to complain about something like that, complain about widow mines - Tier 2 units, 75 minerals 25 gas (cheaper than adepts by 50 minerals), invisible when activated and does splash damage both to ground and air units. Toss is far from overpowered if you understand what the total capabilities of the Toss army are. I would recommend actually learning how to play Toss so that you can improve in your other races - of all the races it takes the least investment to get good at Toss, and you’ll quickly figure out what kinda of mind games Toss can play so that you can counter that in your main race. Against low level players it feels like you can steamroll because of the simplicity, but you will hit a limit to how much you can just “steamroll” someone.
I cropped a screenshot of the walloff in the beginning and posted it in my clan chat, asked "Guess the rank of the player". They were guessing Silver 2.
HerO was doing that wall off a lot on blackburn
amazing
Love Astrea’s unique approach to the matchup.
freshest player on a new patch for sure, always brings out the experimental and surprisingly effective builds
Astrea is so fun to watch! He uses the coolest combinations of units in such unexpected strategies!
I skipped to the most interesting bits and this was sick! I don't play, but I watch quite a bit of SC2, and it's so fun to see some creative and more unusual play. Keep the coming!
@@JuNkyMuNky60 Fudge ya! th-cam.com/video/5uPoDNEn3I0/w-d-xo.html
Movespeed is most underrated stat in every single game so far. Look how much diff is zerg on and off creep. Even more, league of legends has a plenty of buffs/nerfs like 5 base MS to champion so it goes from 325 to 320 for example, and u literally can see 1-2% winrate grow/drop for this champ just cause of this 5 moovespeed diff. Same apllyed to WoW for example, beeing able to outrun ur opponent or get intime of some boss mechanics faster makes u perform much better. Dont think centryes will be that much played, since there is ravagers, but still.
Positioning is exponentially more powerful the more skill a player has.
I think you do have a very valid point. Regardless did you really go from baneling to portmanteau centrifugal and t(i/y)re 😂😂😂
CENTRYES?????
@@brionguthrie2061 they meant to type “sentry” but it is the weirdest spelling I’ve ever seen
@@afwaller kinda obvious looking back, but thank you for explaining 😂 other hand, I do kinda love centyre aside from the possible sentry confusion 🤔
I used to do that (forcefielding zergs out of their main) all the time in WOL. I would also add a hallucinated warp prism to distract the main army away. I should try it again.
PiG you're really a triple-A commentator, and funny to boot. Thats some cool talent and skill youve accrued. thanks for sharing it!
cheers Eli
Like a month ago I saw a pro game PvP where the defender was trying to hold their ramp from a pair of zealots. The defender partially lost because the sentry spawned on the outside of the ramp to the natural being chased by the zealot. The defender wanted to send a hallucination across the map but feeling the sentry was about to die they instead force fielded the ramp and lost the sentry to the zealot. After that game I feelt this interaction feelt very stupid and missmicroed and I came to realise slow zealots and sentries had the same speed (3.15) so the sentry 1 didn't need to force field the ramp as to at least block the zealots from seeing the main as it could have survived and the next unit would be out soon enough to mitigate meaningful damage, and 2. the sentry could just have ran away from the zealot continuously as they, surprisingly to me, where the same speed. Now with this new, quit modest speed increase, sentries actually are quite substantially faster than slow zealots and other early game units. I don't know the point of this but I reacted a lot stronger to the sentry speed buff than anyone else it seemed.
No one has ever raged harder from being walled out of your own base. I've made Salt Mines look like toddler rated PG scripts with some of the vile rage sentences ive put together 🤣🤣🤣
me too mate, me too... not proud of it but it is funny
Me, seeing thumbnail: "Surely it's not an immortal sentry all in, that would be too beautiful to be true."
Astrea: does an immortal sentry all in and wins
This is the first game of this guy I've seen and now I'm his fan forever.
Bringin early WOL builds back 10-11 years later xD
Wasn't sentry immortal a thing back in WoL? Did we full circle?
forgot how fun it was to watch sentry immo allin in PvZ, Parting will love this!!
If anyone is going to abuse a small movespeed buff its gonna be Thundershaft
Thunrdershaft is neeb astrea is max angel
@@dylansevitt haha this is an injoke from Twitch Plays Astrea where we gave him Neeb's nickname... really dumb joke
@@PiGstarcraft oh haha
That one sentry lived to tell the tale. But astrea got 100 years of bad luck for killing that neutral unit. Even I know not to do that....
Yeah man, that's asking to get cursed by the SC2 woo woo
@@PiGstarcraft in Sc1 you did it because zerg can parasite them and gain vision from it. Did Astrea play a lot of SC1?
Could you make a terran low apm to high apm build order playlist? I'm trying to find your build order videos (that I found very useful in the past,) but I'm having a hard time figuring out what order I should be approaching things in. I understand the basic build order, but I feel like you made a few videos at some point that had a handful of different build orders that were less advanced and I can't find them. If it's not a bother it'd be much appreciated.
These are the two that I found that are still helpful, for anyone else looking for this (and there are a couple others, somewhere, but I couldn't find them): th-cam.com/video/M1QnDKucj3I/w-d-xo.html (the other one is 61 in the list, the direct link refuses to point at the right video, for some reason.)
Why didn't he just corrosive bile the force fields ? Did the balance patch remove that ability ?
What a sick series. A stress games are always fun
what a creative first game... Astrea's unique wall off, reviving immortal sentry all ins, and Ratata with the very successful evolution chamber defense... congratulations to those players.
Super creative strats - both such fun players
@@PiGstarcraft can you explain to me why Ratata only used like 5-10% of biles to break forcefields instead of focusing on draining Sentry energy by breaking all the forcefields with more biles? He had like 13 Ravagers and could probably break every forcefield immediately
The nerf to Ravager morph is also a big boon for Sentry in PvZ, imo
Good point! I should have mentioned that
Great game. Glad sentries are coming back. Force fields in the hands of pros, is a deadly combo.
Wow, this is what I call outplayed. The power in both of those games was not in really in brute force units, but on caster units that get better the more tactically you use them.
Meanwhile terrans think higher skill means knowing how to stutter step smh.
Absolutely brilliant build in first match with 🤢 elevator to main. 😲
💪💀👍
Im here just for the title. I love it!
Brains of Astrea and hands of herO
I loved the sentry push. finally getting more use of this amazing unit
Same here! I asked him about it and he was like "i dunno i was just trying some random stuff" lol
IT'S THE SOUL TRAIN!!!
Great games. Fun to watch!
Look like Soultrain build is back
First game chad no charge zelots all game long. He was kindda troling and still won. And those pylons lol.
Wow those games!
He made Adepts to gain the mobility advantage and force the Mutalisk production if his opponent wants it back! Genius!
Maybe I should revisit your Protoss Bronze to GM series to work more Sentries into my strategies. Great stuff
the soul train 2.0???
Astrea is a genius and that was entertaining to watch
uThermal ruined disruptor hits for me in his Protoss v 7 cheater AI challenge.
It is not that surprising that you get stomped, if you never bile the force field that's blocking your ramp...
he did, but Astrea just put down more force fields
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 No he did not... he tried to bile the army across the force field like 10 times instead of aiming for the force fields, especially on the ramp. He could have drained all sentries energy with no problem, but did not do it.
unupgraded mass Adepts and Phoenixes vs Corruptors. You sure you didn't click on a Florencio replay by accident?
Best or 2023 so far...
If there’s a year for Astrea to win Katowice, this might be it. New patch and new map pool in the last 3 months.
Not saying it’s likely, but I can hope.
Good games
G2 was like a gay man falling in love with a girl
now do the same with a good Zerg
So not you
sentry buff is useless.
This game proved how bad players dont bile forcefields.
again zerg player sits back doing nothing and smapps queens to def all whilst going tech easily. played since sc1, i know its negative but queens are bull shi t. have a nice day all, gd commentary pig sry,pls fix queens
Why be mad about a unit that loses to a zealot?
Ill trade queens any day for a ier 1 unit that shoots up with decent move speed and decent dps…until then you can piss off…
@@shaunkiyabu2707 Man with gun really do be goin brr
@@TheMuffinman191 you realize im a zerg main and hate how dog shit early game zerg anti air is right?
@@shaunkiyabu2707 Vs what though? Spores and Queens are more than enough early game AA. Hell, Queens don’t even take larva or gas to be decent. You gotta have stim and shields and medivacs and +1 before marines are even a good unit.
This shoes how stupid op protoss is…grats you made mass adepts and won… oh you out of position…let me just recall real quick….zero skill required
I wouldn’t really call Protoss OP, it’s just fundamentally broken.
It’s definitely the lowest barrier to entry race for players who haven’t got solid mechanics but once you have players who have solid enough mechanics Protoss really has to try to outplay Zerg and Terran with mind games because they can’t win against either of them through sheer technical capability besides some crazy prism micro. Disruptors hit hard, but they can also be hard to land while being useless on cooldown.
Protoss really lacks any form of repositioning besides recall, and recall is on long enough a cooldown and still carries a risk of losing the unit. Zerg has creep to provide it a speed boost to reposition, Terran players almost always build enough medivacs to reposition their entire army considering they’ve been playing MMM since WoL. Very rarely will a toss player have more than one prism out because it doesn’t have enough carry capacity to justify it and its primary purpose is warping new units in and micro, not main army repositioning.
Lmao Zerg players have been the favorite child since the release of SC2 and bad A move Ling/ Bane players cry about mass Adepts
What a loser
@@mckendrick7672 watpgate and recall at tier 1/1.5 tech shows how broken protoss is. That says it all. In broodwar recall was a tier 3 tech. Shows how stupid the balance is. Zerg has zero repositioning tools before lair. Adepts are more mobile than lings and roaches. Oracles cant be shot down by mutas. Nice try with the mental gymnastics.
@@mckendrick7672 and warpgate into my base just outright wins the game. Disruptors are piss poor balanced. If im out of position I get punished with warpgate. If you are out of position….omegalul ill just warp in units and recall…
@@shaunkiyabu2707 If you’re getting hit by big warp ins in your main base as Zerg you screwed up. Zerg has overlords and queens - use them. You have no reason to get hit by things which aren’t cloaked except because you don’t look at your map.
I’m not sure exactly what can be done about warp gate. As a function of game design it has problems, but unless you want them to buff gateway units in exchange for losing warp gates (which I take it you don’t) there isn’t really a solution. Toss gateway units are too expensive, immobile and bad scaling into the late game without warp gates. If warp prisms turn into dropships toss just becomes a worse version of Terran. If warp gates didn’t exist and gateway units weren’t buffed we’d probably only ever see skytoss turtle gameplay, and I doubt you want that.
Adept are mobile but there is a way to handle them - lings follow the shades, queens and roaches fight the adepts. Adepts are really the only useful early game unit protoss has and they’re rarely used as part of the actual deathball army because they cost more than zealots, have less health, deal less damage vs non-light units and end up being meat shields just like zealots.
Do you know what shoots down oracles? Queens. And if you struggle with managing that you can build spores. You can scout that toss is building an oracle quickly - just look for an early stargate and prepare yourself for it.
Without disruptors Toss has very little options in terms of aoe damage. Zerg has banelings, fungal, parisitic bomb, and lurkers, Terran has Widow Mines, Siege Tanks, etc, Toss has Psionic Storms (requires energy and only really good against light or clumped units), archons (short ranged, only good against clumps like mutas) and Colossi (only good against light like hydra/lings/marines). Disruptors are at least useless when the ability is on cooldown, Tier 3 units, only target ground, and can be visually seen when activated. If you really want to complain about something like that, complain about widow mines - Tier 2 units, 75 minerals 25 gas (cheaper than adepts by 50 minerals), invisible when activated and does splash damage both to ground and air units.
Toss is far from overpowered if you understand what the total capabilities of the Toss army are. I would recommend actually learning how to play Toss so that you can improve in your other races - of all the races it takes the least investment to get good at Toss, and you’ll quickly figure out what kinda of mind games Toss can play so that you can counter that in your main race. Against low level players it feels like you can steamroll because of the simplicity, but you will hit a limit to how much you can just “steamroll” someone.
Looks a lot like the soul train imo