Thanks James. This was just the diagnosis though. I’ll order the parts tomorrow, at which point it will be 3-5 days before they arrive. I’ll call you after coffee. I find my words at the bottom of the second cup.
This is more reassuring. I own a Rockerverb Mk. III 100. Great sounding amps :) Note to self: go easy on the knobs. I mostly leave them at the same settings all the times anyway.
I have the 100w Mk1 version of this amp and it looks wildly different on the inside than that. I know the circuit is pretty much the same, minus whatever adjustments they've made over the years, but it's still cool to see the differences.
I have ofen wondered if that is why Jimmy Page Started uisng them in the late 90s. He was huge on the vox AC30 for studio use and home use and even had several of them onstage in the mid 90s along with some Russian built boutique 100 watt heads which were like a vintage Marshall/Hiwatt hybrid. Perhaps he felt the orange gave him everything in once package. He started off with some 50 watt orange heads but then switched to El84 based orange heads Called the AD30 .
It seems even the nicer amps cut costs one way or another. Guess that's why they call it "pot metal". It's still a good amp overall though. I do like the Orange sound. Even though they are mostly associated with their gain channel sound, the clean channel is underrated and goes unnoticed to a large degree in my opinion. The Orange vertical open back 2x12" cabinet sounds killer with that head and only weighs 44lbs with its neo cream backs.
I don't know about more modern pot metal alloys ---- perhaps they're tooo new to fail ----- but the pot metal of the 1920s through the 1940s was so unstable that it would literally crack and fall apart some years later. Collectors of really early radios and old electronics commonly see this happen.
Yep, a bit of Fender, Vox and Marshall. Hard to define, but with the right preamptube the clean channel is dynamic and chimey. Put a EP-boost in front to fatten it up and/or to drive it to delicious breakup. I've been playing Rockerverbs MK I 50 heads for decades. I just love the creamy and musical 4 x 6V6 powertubes, which Orange abandoned with the MKII series.
This is exactly the video I wanted to see! I am currently debating on whether to get a Fender '65 Super Reverb Reissue, or go with something different like an Orange. I have been a Fender guy all of my life because I play mostly clean, and, in my opinion, no one does clean better than Fender. However, my wife got an Orange Super Crush 100 Combo (a solid state amp BTW) recently, and I was blown away by its great looks and sounds. I can hardly believe my ears. Because the Super Crush 100 sounds as good as any of my Fenders or Marshalls. So, I am extremely tempted to switch to Orange for my next amp. Most of my acquaintances recommend the Rockerverb. However, I cannot hear any real difference between the clean sounds of the Rockerverb and the Super Crush. Even the hi gain channels sound amazingly similar. Actually, the Rockerverb in this video sounds exactly like my wife's Orange combo! So, in my mind, it is hard to justify the price difference of $2349 for a Rockerverb 100 head versus $499 for a Super Crush 100 head. I think if I want to spend upwards of $2000, I might as well go with the Fender Super Reverb. I would love to hear other peoples opinion on this.
Comparison of compressed YT-vids might lead to the presumption that the SC100 matches the RV. As a gigging musician who plays RV's for many years, I can tell you there will be quite a difference in dynamics, depth, power, punch and tonal bloom and complexity once you drag both tops on a big stage. Hence the price difference. If you're playing merely at home the SC100 is a very good solid state, capturing a bit of the RV's magic and eliminating the hassle with tubes and bias. Orange does a great job on their Crush-series.
@@stroopwafel6141 I really appreciate your input. Yesterday, I played my wife's Orange Combo which has a 12" Celestion speaker, together with my Marshall JVM410HJS Joe Satriani Signature and a Fender Twin Reverb '65 Reissue and in all honesty all three amps sounded fantastic. Believe me, I am a shameless "cork sniffer" when it comes to guitars and amps, and I would be the first person to nitpick any obvious differences in sounds between those amps. However, to the average human ear, I doubt if very many people, if any, could tell any significant tonal differences in a blind shootout. I sort of hate to admit it, but the Super Crush 100 is a heavyweight contender no matter how you look at it.
@@CaesarTjalbo Thanks for the tip! I have no problem with purchasing gear that is made in China. A lot of good quality items come out of Asia. In fact, Fender Tone Master Series are made in China. My wife's Super Crush was made in Korea. Many top quality guitars are from China like Eastman and Shijie guitars. So, I think people who turn their noses up at foreign made stuff are idiots. Good things and bad things are made all around the globe. It is up to the purchaser to discern quality from junk. Thanks again!
@@Walks-With-Pride I suppose the design was done by Ade Emsley in the UK, I mentioned the manufacturing in China just to indicate that the amp is slightly cheaper than you'd expect for such an amp, I've nothing to say about the quality. My amp tech had a look inside and was satisfied with its quality, I wouldn't know a resistor from a capacitor. I managed to get the Tremlord 30 new for less than $€900 but I think I was extraordinarily lucky with that one. Another amp for your consideration (also Orange and made in China): the TH30, very popular with Orange players who praise its clean channel in particular.
How can you have pro-grade capacitors when the manufacturers names all end in "con"? 🤔 (and then you've got names like Sangamo, which definitely ain't "mo bettuh", as well as As-tron, which, um, uh....)
Is it my imagination, my old eyes, or a change in my aesthetic sensibilities, but for some reason it seems to me like the Orange amps are even more boldly and brightly Orange than they used to be. I still can't say for sure if I like the look or hate it!
They're pretty solid. My first RV MK I 50 head had a issue with a tubefitting after one year. That was a easy repair though. My second MK I 50 head, with black instead of orange tolex, has been serving me without problems for many years. I have it regularly serviced though.
Time was that some potentiometers had a thin wire C-ring or C-clip clipped into a groove in the shaft where it entered the bushing (behind the knob), giving it a measure of protection against a direct straight hit on the shaft, whether or not there was a knob on it. These days, a direct straight-on hit to the knob will attempt to push the wipers and shaft assembly into the resistance element on the wafer, possible bending the wipers or denting the carbon track. The knob gives you some small measure of protection if it is spaced almost right up against the faceplate, acting as a depthstop for the shaft, which is probably another reason why Lyle likes to use a thin guitar pick as a spacer, to align the knobs as close to the faceplate ---- and/or the shaft bushing ---- as possible without actually touching, so that the knobs wouldn't scratch the faceplate just from adjusting volume or tone. A lot of old hifi gear used to use heavy felt washers behind the knobs; maybe the guitar amp manufacturers should do that as well just to add a little bit of cushioning? Might be too compressible and not as effective as the back of the knob being mechanically stopped by the faceplate. Felt washers would certainly collect some finger funk over the years....
Just bought a brand new RV mk3 head and the treble knob on the gain channel was very loose and fell immediately, might need to return it as I can’t seem to install it back properly.
should I be using the standby switch on my Rockerverb 50 mkIII? I heard you say that using the standby switch on tube amps with a rectifier tube isn't needed and might hurt the amp.. Is this true for my Rockerverb 50 MKIII as well? thanks I love your videos!!
Hello my name is Todd Anderson from Tacoma Washington. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. I have a 1964 Vibroverb a 1971 Deluxe Reverb and two 2019 Vibrolux Reverb reissue amps. They all need complete restoration and improvements to your specifications. Would you consider doing this job? If not would you have a recommendation of an amp tech in Washington State.
I have 2 Orange amps. Both made in China. The factory there I think does a great job on quality control. On both amps. The tubes that come stock failed.
Thanks for posting this. I have one of these and have been various about the guts for some time. I do love the sound of the clean channel, but it really doesn't take drive/distortion pedals well at all. I'm not sure why that it, do you?
No, entirely different approach to building an amp. The photos look great. I haven’t had one come in but I would expect goodness. They have a gut shot on their site.
I just bought an Orange solid state combo amp; I wanted a Marshall but I didnt want all the amp modeling abilities that marshall has produced with their solid state models; what is your take on Orange Amps as apposed to Marshall Amps? 🤔 I like a tube amp but the price of tubes and service on tube amps is getting ridiculous 😑 from; Scranton, Pennsylvania
Have any of yall done work on the Orange Tremlord ? Ive owned this amp since brand new and i have not had any issues with mine at all (fingers crossed). Just curious if anyone else has had to repair theres or how their luck has been with the amp. :-)
Still, I think you've got a damn good setup for recording your videos. I love how you can zoom right in close so we get an excellent view of what you're doing. You're making top stuff, a perfect blend of knowledge and irreverence, it's both educational and entertaining!
Did you notice a quality difference between the Rockerverb 50 and the OR100? I own a Custom Shop 50, a Rockerverb 50 Mk3, an AD30HTC and a TH30, and especially the TH30 feels super cheap compared to the others - starting from a different tolex, different metal (quality) used for the handles at the front, apparently different pots, even a slightly different sticker for the logo…
All the ones you listed were British made except the TH30 that's made in the Chinese factory. I've had a TH30 and an OR15 and they didn't feel cheap, just not custom shop level by any means.
@@grandudetonesnob7107 , People sometimes ask how old am I. I am sufficiently old that I saw the original live broadcast of Elvis and the Attractions on Saturday Night Live start to play one song and then Elvis stopped the band and they charged right into "Radio Radio" as a raised middle finger to the establishment.
With it connected there would be some normal resistance between plate and grid. Disconnected there should be zero conductivity (infinite resistance). Just makes testing easier.
I never heard of PM tubes; made specifically for Orange perhaps? Chinese or Russian? BTW, Somebody in the livestream asked about "Fetron" tubes the other day and I had to look it up to refresh my memory ---- they were JFET-based devices, manufactured beginning in 1967 by Teledyne Semiconductors, designed to be replacement plug-ins for 7 pin and 9 pin signal tubes such as 12AX7's, 6AK5's and such. I've never seen nor handled one in the flesh.
@@stroopwafel6141 , I did a quick search online and although the company Is based in the UK the tubes are probably made by Shuguang. Some of the thinly veiled advertising copy seems to indicate that the tubes were actually designed by the guy in the UK but I kind of doubt it. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with suguang tubes according to some people as long as they are carefully quality controlled and the noisy ones culled out, but maybe the quality control isn't so good.
Have the exact same amp that was worked on by a prof but still get "fizz" (electrophonic?) sound at higher volume on mostly the d and b strings around the 9 fret for the clean and dirty channel. Ruled out guitar, room and speakers by simply changing configuration. Most of the preamp tubes replaced. Recommendation?
Cutting costs DSL20CR has plastic D shaped shafts, but it’s made in Vietnam, isn’t the Rockerverbs made in England ? I’m not sure what all Orange makes where. I tried an OR15 and I was impressed those, I think it was probably the best sounding amp I’ve ever played for less than 1000 dollars. I can’t speak to the build quality but it sounded great.
You know, it wouldn't cost appreciably more to mass-produce music electronics that weren't a rat's nest of bad ideas, short cuts and bean counting. But then again, I know the music biz and the preferences of guitar players to buy things that look cool over things that are well made.
Dropped off Thursday afternoon, video Sunday morning. That is absolutely some very quick turnaround!
Thank you/looking forward to hearing from you
Thanks James. This was just the diagnosis though. I’ll order the parts tomorrow, at which point it will be 3-5 days before they arrive.
I’ll call you after coffee. I find my words at the bottom of the second cup.
@@PsionicAudio , sometimes I find my words *floating* in the cup; that's never a good sign.....🥴
@@PsionicAudio Along with the occasional Switchcraft 1/4" jack! 😁
This is more reassuring. I own a Rockerverb Mk. III 100. Great sounding amps :) Note to self: go easy on the knobs. I mostly leave them at the same settings all the times anyway.
I have the 100w Mk1 version of this amp and it looks wildly different on the inside than that. I know the circuit is pretty much the same, minus whatever adjustments they've made over the years, but it's still cool to see the differences.
I can’t wait to hear this amp. Please test it with you awesome SG.
Very chimey. Orange amps are like the best of both Vox and Marshall worlds!
I have ofen wondered if that is why Jimmy Page Started uisng them in the late 90s. He was huge on the vox AC30 for studio use and home use and even had several of them onstage in the mid 90s along with some Russian built boutique 100 watt heads which were like a vintage Marshall/Hiwatt hybrid.
Perhaps he felt the orange gave him everything in once package. He started off with some 50 watt orange heads but then switched to El84 based orange heads Called the AD30 .
It seems even the nicer amps cut costs one way or another. Guess that's why they call it "pot metal". It's still a good amp overall though. I do like the Orange sound. Even though they are mostly associated with their gain channel sound, the clean channel is underrated and goes unnoticed to a large degree in my opinion. The Orange vertical open back 2x12" cabinet sounds killer with that head and only weighs 44lbs with its neo cream backs.
I don't know about more modern pot metal alloys ---- perhaps they're tooo new to fail ----- but the pot metal of the 1920s through the 1940s was so unstable that it would literally crack and fall apart some years later. Collectors of really early radios and old electronics commonly see this happen.
Such is the requirements of mass production. It’s got to be good enough and that’s it. They only way to keep costs “reasonable” which is a shame.
I love the clean sound of Orange amps. Definitely a “different clean” compared to Fender or Marshall.
Yep, a bit of Fender, Vox and Marshall. Hard to define, but with the right preamptube the clean channel is dynamic and chimey. Put a EP-boost in front to fatten it up and/or to drive it to delicious breakup. I've been playing Rockerverbs MK I 50 heads for decades. I just love the creamy and musical 4 x 6V6 powertubes, which Orange abandoned with the MKII series.
I like the older “Handwired” Orange amps!
Ive never owned an orange amp. IT SOUNDS GOOD
This is exactly the video I wanted to see! I am currently debating on whether to get a Fender '65 Super Reverb Reissue, or go with something different like an Orange. I have been a Fender guy all of my life because I play mostly clean, and, in my opinion, no one does clean better than Fender. However, my wife got an Orange Super Crush 100 Combo (a solid state amp BTW) recently, and I was blown away by its great looks and sounds. I can hardly believe my ears. Because the Super Crush 100 sounds as good as any of my Fenders or Marshalls. So, I am extremely tempted to switch to Orange for my next amp. Most of my acquaintances recommend the Rockerverb. However, I cannot hear any real difference between the clean sounds of the Rockerverb and the Super Crush. Even the hi gain channels sound amazingly similar. Actually, the Rockerverb in this video sounds exactly like my wife's Orange combo! So, in my mind, it is hard to justify the price difference of $2349 for a Rockerverb 100 head versus $499 for a Super Crush 100 head. I think if I want to spend upwards of $2000, I might as well go with the Fender Super Reverb. I would love to hear other peoples opinion on this.
Comparison of compressed YT-vids might lead to the presumption that the SC100 matches the RV. As a gigging musician who plays RV's for many years, I can tell you there will be quite a difference in dynamics, depth, power, punch and tonal bloom and complexity once you drag both tops on a big stage. Hence the price difference. If you're playing merely at home the SC100 is a very good solid state, capturing a bit of the RV's magic and eliminating the hassle with tubes and bias. Orange does a great job on their Crush-series.
There's an Orange amp that does only cleans, the Tremlord 30. It's an all tube amp but made in China so it's priced reasonably.
@@stroopwafel6141 I really appreciate your input. Yesterday, I played my wife's Orange Combo which has a 12" Celestion speaker, together with my Marshall JVM410HJS Joe Satriani Signature and a Fender Twin Reverb '65 Reissue and in all honesty all three amps sounded fantastic. Believe me, I am a shameless "cork sniffer" when it comes to guitars and amps, and I would be the first person to nitpick any obvious differences in sounds between those amps. However, to the average human ear, I doubt if very many people, if any, could tell any significant tonal differences in a blind shootout. I sort of hate to admit it, but the Super Crush 100 is a heavyweight contender no matter how you look at it.
@@CaesarTjalbo Thanks for the tip! I have no problem with purchasing gear that is made in China. A lot of good quality items come out of Asia. In fact, Fender Tone Master Series are made in China. My wife's Super Crush was made in Korea. Many top quality guitars are from China like Eastman and Shijie guitars. So, I think people who turn their noses up at foreign made stuff are idiots. Good things and bad things are made all around the globe. It is up to the purchaser to discern quality from junk. Thanks again!
@@Walks-With-Pride I suppose the design was done by Ade Emsley in the UK, I mentioned the manufacturing in China just to indicate that the amp is slightly cheaper than you'd expect for such an amp, I've nothing to say about the quality. My amp tech had a look inside and was satisfied with its quality, I wouldn't know a resistor from a capacitor.
I managed to get the Tremlord 30 new for less than $€900 but I think I was extraordinarily lucky with that one.
Another amp for your consideration (also Orange and made in China): the TH30, very popular with Orange players who praise its clean channel in particular.
“Nishicon, Rubicon, Chemcon…all the cons are better.”
“KHAN!!!!”
How can you have pro-grade capacitors when the manufacturers names all end in "con"? 🤔 (and then you've got names like Sangamo, which definitely ain't "mo bettuh", as well as As-tron, which, um, uh....)
Is it my imagination, my old eyes, or a change in my aesthetic sensibilities, but for some reason it seems to me like the Orange amps are even more boldly and brightly Orange than they used to be. I still can't say for sure if I like the look or hate it!
Really enjoy your videos 😊
I don’t think I’ve really noticed the inside of a modern Orange before. It seems pretty well built. Always liked the sturdiness of their cab design.
They're pretty solid. My first RV MK I 50 head had a issue with a tubefitting after one year. That was a easy repair though. My second MK I 50 head, with black instead of orange tolex, has been serving me without problems for many years. I have it regularly serviced though.
The British made amps are built much nicer than the China made Oranges.
@@douglasdog1 Thank you for that breaking news.
@@topfloorstudio2684 you’re welcome.
Worthy of getting upgrades imo.
😎👍
Hahahaha the Barney Fife cameo was perfect!
Time was that some potentiometers had a thin wire C-ring or C-clip clipped into a groove in the shaft where it entered the bushing (behind the knob), giving it a measure of protection against a direct straight hit on the shaft, whether or not there was a knob on it. These days, a direct straight-on hit to the knob will attempt to push the wipers and shaft assembly into the resistance element on the wafer, possible bending the wipers or denting the carbon track. The knob gives you some small measure of protection if it is spaced almost right up against the faceplate, acting as a depthstop for the shaft, which is probably another reason why Lyle likes to use a thin guitar pick as a spacer, to align the knobs as close to the faceplate ---- and/or the shaft bushing ---- as possible without actually touching, so that the knobs wouldn't scratch the faceplate just from adjusting volume or tone.
A lot of old hifi gear used to use heavy felt washers behind the knobs; maybe the guitar amp manufacturers should do that as well just to add a little bit of cushioning? Might be too compressible and not as effective as the back of the knob being mechanically stopped by the faceplate. Felt washers would certainly collect some finger funk over the years....
Just bought a brand new RV mk3 head and the treble knob on the gain channel was very loose and fell immediately, might need to return it as I can’t seem to install it back properly.
should I be using the standby switch on my Rockerverb 50 mkIII? I heard you say that using the standby switch on tube amps with a rectifier tube isn't needed and might hurt the amp.. Is this true for my Rockerverb 50 MKIII as well? thanks I love your videos!!
Outstanding >
Hello my name is Todd Anderson from Tacoma Washington. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise with us. I have a 1964 Vibroverb a 1971 Deluxe Reverb and two 2019 Vibrolux Reverb reissue amps. They all need complete restoration and improvements to your specifications. Would you consider doing this job? If not would you have a recommendation of an amp tech in Washington State.
Todd, Let’s hope it’s a yes as that would be great content.
Nice Barney Fife reference. Nip it.
I have 2 Orange amps. Both made in China. The factory there I think does a great job on quality control. On both amps. The tubes that come stock failed.
Thanks for posting this. I have one of these and have been various about the guts for some time. I do love the sound of the clean channel, but it really doesn't take drive/distortion pedals well at all. I'm not sure why that it, do you?
I'm hot for an Orange Custom Shop 50. I wonder if that has the shit pots as well??
No, entirely different approach to building an amp. The photos look great. I haven’t had one come in but I would expect goodness.
They have a gut shot on their site.
I just bought an Orange solid state combo amp; I wanted a Marshall but I didnt want all the amp modeling abilities that marshall has produced with their solid state models; what is your take on Orange Amps as apposed to Marshall Amps? 🤔 I like a tube amp but the price of tubes and service on tube amps is getting ridiculous 😑 from; Scranton, Pennsylvania
Could you please share the circuitry how the attenuator works in the third version of the rockerverb?
Pretty sure it's just a post phase inverter master volume, not really an attenuator like they label it.
I have a Mk II, sounds rather dark to me. Is this typical of Orange Rockerverbs?
Have any of yall done work on the Orange Tremlord ? Ive owned this amp since brand new and i have not had any issues with mine at all (fingers crossed). Just curious if anyone else has had to repair theres or how their luck has been with the amp. :-)
It still amazes me how much can go wrong whilst recording video.
Literally every time I hit record, there's something wrong. Something new each time!
Still, I think you've got a damn good setup for recording your videos. I love how you can zoom right in close so we get an excellent view of what you're doing. You're making top stuff, a perfect blend of knowledge and irreverence, it's both educational and entertaining!
You do pretty well, Brad. As does Lyle.
Did you notice a quality difference between the Rockerverb 50 and the OR100? I own a Custom Shop 50, a Rockerverb 50 Mk3, an AD30HTC and a TH30, and especially the TH30 feels super cheap compared to the others - starting from a different tolex, different metal (quality) used for the handles at the front, apparently different pots, even a slightly different sticker for the logo…
The RV50 and the OR100 are built almost identically.
All the ones you listed were British made except the TH30 that's made in the Chinese factory. I've had a TH30 and an OR15 and they didn't feel cheap, just not custom shop level by any means.
There was a DJ on a hard rock/heavy metal show that used to say: "TURN IT UP AND RIP THE KNOB OFF!"
" I was seriously thinking about hiding the receiver when the switch broke 'cause it's old......" Elvis the C
@@goodun2974 👍👍👍!
@@grandudetonesnob7107 , People sometimes ask how old am I. I am sufficiently old that I saw the original live broadcast of Elvis and the Attractions on Saturday Night Live start to play one song and then Elvis stopped the band and they charged right into "Radio Radio" as a raised middle finger to the establishment.
Yeah, well, I’m old enough to have fixed his amps. ;)
@@PsionicAudio , interesting ---- what was he or the band playing through?
Lyle - you mentioned you "disconnected the ouput center tap" after pulling the EL84s. What is the purpose of pulling the center tap?
With it connected there would be some normal resistance between plate and grid. Disconnected there should be zero conductivity (infinite resistance). Just makes testing easier.
I never heard of PM tubes; made specifically for Orange perhaps? Chinese or Russian? BTW, Somebody in the livestream asked about "Fetron" tubes the other day and I had to look it up to refresh my memory ---- they were JFET-based devices, manufactured beginning in 1967 by Teledyne Semiconductors, designed to be replacement plug-ins for 7 pin and 9 pin signal tubes such as 12AX7's, 6AK5's and such. I've never seen nor handled one in the flesh.
PM's are rebranded chinese preamp tubes
@@stroopwafel6141 , I did a quick search online and although the company Is based in the UK the tubes are probably made by Shuguang. Some of the thinly veiled advertising copy seems to indicate that the tubes were actually designed by the guy in the UK but I kind of doubt it. Not that there's necessarily anything wrong with suguang tubes according to some people as long as they are carefully quality controlled and the noisy ones culled out, but maybe the quality control isn't so good.
@@goodun2974 I don't know if they're good and realiable or not, because I never used them. Maybe they are very ok.
Any opinions on the super crush 100 heads?
Have the exact same amp that was worked on by a prof but still get "fizz" (electrophonic?) sound at higher volume on mostly the d and b strings around the 9 fret for the clean and dirty channel. Ruled out guitar, room and speakers by simply changing configuration. Most of the preamp tubes replaced. Recommendation?
They break all the damn time if you don’t have a road case! What a pain to change those dual pots. 😅
Strange, mine has four 6L6's in it
Nice amp BUT why do orange sometimes fit those knobs on split shaft pots? Just seems idiotic.
IKR? There is no logic to it.
Cutting costs DSL20CR has plastic D shaped shafts, but it’s made in Vietnam, isn’t the Rockerverbs made in England ? I’m not sure what all Orange makes where. I tried an OR15 and I was impressed those, I think it was probably the best sounding amp I’ve ever played for less than 1000 dollars. I can’t speak to the build quality but it sounded great.
This is why you buy hand wired amps , none of that board pulling shenanigans to carry out repairs.
If the “ cons “ capacitors are the good ones , isn’t that a “ pro “ ?
So a stupid broken EL34 could cause some real damage.
pm tubes are really bad
You know, it wouldn't cost appreciably more to mass-produce music electronics that weren't a rat's nest of bad ideas, short cuts and bean counting. But then again, I know the music biz and the preferences of guitar players to buy things that look cool over things that are well made.
I’m so glad I never invested $2K on a PCB littered with all those components. Get a Matamp instead kids.
PCBs don't determine a good or bad design.
I have been playing RV MK I 50 heads for decades. Not one died.
Modern Matamps also use PCBs, tho' there are turrets to mount many of the components which probably helps with serviceability.
Yeah matamps are awesome.....but a maintenance nightmare.....so u keep yours....I'll keep my orange.