You have no idea how happy I was when I saw this video. The IC3 is my favorite IR train and I’m glad to see another train nerd appreciate it. I’m pretty sure that the unit you saw at the sidings was actually in the railway museum in Haifa. It is extremely sad that they are on the way out. IR is now aiming to have level boarding at all stations on all lines eventually. Currently it’s only the new Siemens trains. So the IC3 ticks all the wrong boxes. It’s old, it has stairs at the door, highest maintenance cost of any IR train, and it runs on diesel. Before Covid the IC3 was expected to have a long future in IR since it was the only train that was capable to run on the old Jerusalem line. Since that historic line was closed during the lockdowns and never reopened the IC3 had lost its only chance of staying in service in the future. Thank you for the video
as a very big IC3 fan and a daily user of the emek line i am sad about the decommissioning of the the trains, but there is a light at the end of the the train tunnel, the museum ( seen in 3:37) is planning to run trains during holidays and special occasions from Haifa center hashmona and bat galim(using platform a1) to the museum as a tourist service. love from israel
Fun fact back in the 90s IR shipped two IC3 units (6 cars) to North America to be tested for as a potential future train, first for Amtrak where it was called "Flexliner" and then they passed them to VIA Rail from Canada. you can google Flexliner and see the photos, they kept IR livery with Amtrak logos on the side.
1980s moment. I mean, the commuter trains in Stockholm have always had steps, not even level fboarding with the first step. Heck, only the modern Coradia EMUs are actually low floor.
Each station is equipped with a portable wheelchair lift that the station staff will operate for you if needed. That's probably just the best spot on the train for people in wheelchairs.
@@hemaccabe4292 I will also note that those trains are very very old and used only on short and not busy routes Modern trains in Israel got build in lift for handicapped as well as previously said the station staff will always help if needed
Things to mention. VIA Rail in Canada did a service test in the early 90’s. One set of 3 cars was put in service between Montréal Qc Canada and Ottawa On Canada. Unfortunately the trainset didn’t reach what was expected and were sent back to their original country. The project was called VIA fast. I had the chance to ride them once
Great video, thanks! I am from Haifa and I love it very much. We have 5 train stations, a great bus network, a kind-of light rail, a funicular underground and a cable car. Take care!
There are (were?) versions of the IC3 in Israel with what felt like "business class" style seats. Still 2-by-2 facing seats like on your train, but the seats were a little wider, were more cushioned and have more comfortable arm rests.
5:20 I would've love to see inspection of the big rubber buffer in between the wagons. Also, I'd be interested in a little more information on the motor systems of the trains. It's interesting to see where diesel is still being used. Thank you for pleasant videos.
As a new educated train operator earlier this year in Denmark, I just got my license for these trains. My first trip on my very own was on board 5201 this February. There's 96 operating in Denmark. Originally only 92 for many years, but DSB brought 4 ekstra units back home from Sweden (they are "named" 5093 - 5096). Unit 51 is rebuilt after a fire 🔥 and is given a new red/black color - the design that DSB plans for their future trains. Its called "The Bloody Baron" on my depot 😅 Very nice units to operate in my opinion. They are doing speeds up to 180 km/t in the daily intercity- and regional trains. There's also an electric version of them going in DK - the IR4-units. On daily basis, both the IC3 and IR4 units are running together in the same trains - a very unique combination, as far as i know. If you guys like these trains, you should take a trip to Fredericia in Denmark 🇩🇰 Its necessary to keep them in operation the next couple of years as well.
Those four sets, 5093-5096 kind of "returned home" to DSB since they were originally meant to be MF 54, 55, 56 and 58 back in 1991 (based on their serial no) but were transferred to Sweden during their production. Seven sets were changed to Swedish ownership as a way to speed up their delivery and became 1367, 1368, 1369, 1370, 1371, 1372 and 1373 over there. In 2003, four of those "originally intended for DSB" sets were "sold back" to Denmark and became MF 93 (1367), 94 (1368), 95 (1370) and 96 (1371). I have been riding all of them several times in Sweden and later in Denmark. Always interesting to ride the same train in two different countries, with different operators. MF 51 received one car body from the Swedish "1376" after the serious fire in Odense, which warped the original MFA 5051. It was bent (slightly) in the middle from the heat. MF 01 (5001) was the very first IC3 and its very first "journey" took place by hand since the original "Stella" computer system was completely dysfunctional and had to be replaced. Its first run under own power (from Scandia to the railway station in Randers) took place with "Manuella", a manual temporary control system that allowed the first gear to be engaged together with braking so it could move. Later, the current computer system was brought in as a full replacement and the trains started to work as designed and the rest is now history as they say. IC3 is my favorite train. My first ride in one took place in 1992, in Sweden on "1372", a set later sold to Israel.
note about the tables. originally all the tables in IC ware the original long version but the last few years it was changed to those shorter ones for ease of maintenance as those are identical to those from bombardier (now alstom) trains as it saves ISR from stocking non critical part that can only be used on one train type that is being phased out
Very nice and informative video! There are 2 of these trainsets sitting at the Malha station in southwest Jerusalem. Malha is the newer terminal of the historic Jerusalem-Jaffa railway, which was built in the 1890s. When the new fast train line from Tel-Aviv and Ben Gurion Airport to Yitzhak Navon station Jerusalem, the old Jerusalem-Jaffa railway wasn't needed much any more. Even before the new fast train, there were bus lines that could make the trip in faster time, and left from more centrally located points of the city. When Covid hit, the Jerusalem-Jaffa railway line was suspended indefinitely. I'm quite sad I never got to ride it, because I've heard that the views are phenomenal. But my point is, 2 of these trainsets just sit at the Malha station, and they've probably been there since March of 2020. You can also see faintly through the windows that the lights in the station building are still on. And the trash cans on the platforms are full. It's erie - the place is frozen in time, a testament to when the world shut down 3 years ago.
Intresting! I really wanted to ride the old line but sadly i visited too late. Seems like the old jerusalem line the IC3 are also soon part of history.
There is some delay in electrification around Haifa because the city council wants Israel Railways first to reshape the railway's line inside the city. So these trains will run a lot more time than expected.
There is no delay as there is an agreement. The current line will be electrified as it is now and with the construction a second double track as a high speed line (250kph) a tunnel will be built at, more or less, the current rout to the four tracks with two underground stations, the current Bat Galim station and a new Kiryat Ha-memshala station that will replace איק Haifa Center HaShmona station. It will start after Hof HaCarmel station and end near Paz Bridge. I assume that you are one of those who wanted that the new high speed lines will bypass Haifa in a tunnel directly to tel Aviv, even though Haifa is the big city in the area and should be the hub for high speed and regional lines. I've seen the meetings and the studies - the high speed bypass tunnel would have lowered the number of trains connecting the north to the center and hurt the city of Haifa as the large city in this area.
We also have these trains in Spain, but with a 2-car configuration. Unfortunately for some stupid reason they removed the frontal rubber part and door during some renovation works, and their unique coupling capabilities were lost. I guess it was to reduce maintenance and operational costs, but who knows... If you want to find out how they look now with a regular frontal part, look up "Renfe Serie 594", it's messed up.
Those trains are still used on short lines with little occupancy. I've seen them on the line between Beer sheva university and Dimona. They are phased out due to reliability and maintenance cost problems. Also they have another problem - not enough doors. On busy stations this was causing a lot of delays (it takes 3-4 minutes or even more for a full train) But they still have some advantages vs the new trains - they accelerate much faster and have a higher top speed (160 vs 140 on the new ones)
Some of the IC3’s in Israel used to have a payphone, As a kid, I thought that is the coolest thing, I still have a picture with a payphone on a Train. once I tried using it for fun, but the call wasn’t very clear 😂 My favorite line with the IC3 is the Bet Shemeh to Jerusalem route, it is absolutely gorgeous, unfortunately during Covid, it was shut down, but never reopened, currently it’s unclear if they’re ever going to reopen it 😢 the Malcha Jerusalem train station still has 2 IC3 parked over there
I was on an IC3 that caught fire (had to use those little hummers to break the windows). I later heard that IC3 trains are known to catch fire because the engines are located below the passenger cars. Anybody have heard about IC3 and fire?
In Belgium it's like the most commonly used train. (I'm just guessing don't get mad if in fact, other types are more popular, it's just like what I would picture in my head when someone says "regular train" or something) edit: turns out the Belgian ones are actually a different (also a decade newer) type, they just look quite similar...
These were commonly used on more "rural" lines before their final retirement - I always wondered why some have reading lights and some don't, never knew some were made in Israel!
There was a a railway employee in my army reserve unit , in the '90s he graduated to being a driver. He told me that the procurement team that chose the iC3 was inexperienced because there hadn't been modernisation for decades. They didn't realise that the IC3 engines were not suitable for the very hot Israeli climate and that a team of mechanics from Denmark was kept in Israel to keep them running. Well, despite all that, they seem to have lasted OK.
I recognize that jingle even though I haven't been on one of these trains for years! These trains became very popular and ridership exploded when they were introduced (designated Y2) in Sweden on the Blekinge Coastal Railway in the early 90s. The electric trains that replaced them around 15 years later aren't as comfortable.
I'm an Israeli and I use this type of train only ones, I usually see the red double-decker because the new electric ones don't come to my city for now, I hope you had fun in Israel
@@dors5969 Not all tracks are going to be electrified. The "valley line" in this video will not be electrified for now, it will be done when they'll double the tracks in a few years as part of a future extension of the, currently under construction, Eastern line that will connect to the Valley line and the connection between Afula, on that line, to Tiberias. The Bet Shemesh line will not be electrified and I don't know what the plans for this line are. Today it's aa single track branch line but was a part of the old line to Jerusalem. The Be'er Sheva Dimona linw will not be electrified as it's an old winding single track line that has very low ridership and was built for freight usage. It's set to be replaced with a new double track high speed electrified line that is part of the planed high speed rail line to Eilat (the line to Eilat was approved but is not promoted as the current estimated cost is 40B NIS - almost 11B$ - to connect a 50,000 inhabitants city + a handful of small settlements).
In Belgium we have also a "Danish nose" MS/AM96, I ask my self what would the difference Danish-Belgium material. In Belgium they gone drive at least a few years, there is even older material on the Belgian network than this.
Thanks for the video. One small correction: these train sets were built in Beersheba, not Dimona - at the factory is located at these coordinates (31.2509720, 34.8236195)
I traveled on this train type many times, I like it much more than the newer double deck trains. There is at least one more app you can use in the Israeli railway and public transport - Hopon rav pas. Also, the train system is ok, but it could be much better. There is no train to Eilat, the most southern city in Israel, traveling by aircraft from TLV is allegedly a quick option (40 minutes of flight), but you need to get to the airport, which can take 10-15 minutes at least, if you live close to the airport (Shoham, Yehud, Or Yehuda, etc.), otherwise it'll be at least 30 minutes ride in a car or even more on a train, than you have to go through security in the airport and arrive 90 minutes before your flight, meaning for someone who lives in the central area, it can take almost 4 hours to get from his home to Eilat. I can do it in similar time in my car or take a bus from Tel Aviv or Beer Sheva, but if I could take a train, it was much better and probably faster. Also, on Sunday when soldiers take the train you can't find any place to seat or sometimes it's even hard to find a place to stand! Some major cities should get more routes (at least in the rush hours) from\to Tel Aviv, like Haifa and Beer Sheva, in the rush hours there is only one fast train from\to Beer Sheva every one hour, the others are slower (since they stop in more stations).
Hi. Came back to this video to say that the IC3s are being decommissioned permanently right now. That means that there's no hope for resurrecting the Bet Shemesh-Jerusalem railway that only the IC3 can run on until the off chance IR decides to purchase new rolling stock that can do it.
@@Simon-Andersen It makes no sense to reopen it as a regular line anyway, basically nobody would use it. That said, I think it has immense potential as a tourist line. I've been on it twice, and it's easily tied for most scenic train line in Israel (the other being the Binyamina-Haifa section). It also ends right by the Jerusalem Zoo, and at the future location of the Israel Railway Museum (which is moving from Haifa to Malha).
@@yaitz3313The massive amount of bus traffic between Bet Shemesh and Jerusalem would say otherwise. Bet Shemesh is in dire need of a railway connection to Jerusalem.
Not a single comment in the video about the rubber front and what purpose it serves? It might be obvious, I would guess for silence in the vegetables, but it seems like
It's an end gangway so that people can access other sets. Similar concepts are found on many trains in the UK. I don't understand end gangways on multiple units either.
These trains are not that unique at all, in Belgium they have a similar design called the MS96 EMU. These also sport this rubber bumper both front and end. Though I must admit they are younger and I have no more info besides to have seen them when I visited Belgium (since I don't live there myself). Edit, just took a look at Wikipedia, the design is an actual copy of the IC3, so yeah, they were unique until others started to copy them :p
The Trains in Israel is like a metro system in USA, the country is small, so no need for sleeping seats and no need for business seats because people that want that will travel by car. Basically its top-side metro, im sure there is name for it...
The issue isn't the distance but the capacity. Already now Israel Railways run at over capacity of passenger coaches and overcapacity on Ayalon line that is the bottleneck of its network and even it would have a market for business coaches it can't place them while not satisfying actual demand for regular passangers.
@@Shrulik Cant they just add more carriages? its not a bus, so whats the problem making the trains longer? IMO the train system is uncomfortable, i use a car. I wish they build the train in the middle of cities, so it goes on the main street. But traveling to industrial zone and back, is problematic, takes time by itself and costs money since you need to pay twice for bus or taxi, so each train ride is 4 payments, and sometimes 6 because in some cities you need to go from train to central bus station and then swap again, and when you go back home you need to do it in reverse. The government in Israel and bibi is so corrupt that what other countries build in months, takes years to build. Hell Ukrainians when bombed restore railway in days, 300 years ago in America they been building railway across miles, yet we still dont have a complete railway in a country so small that Metro systems in Moscow, London, NY etc are bigger then our railway.
@@NoBodysGamer First you need to acquire them and it takes months if not years. Extend platforms in stations and, Have strong locomotives that can push/pull the extra weight.
@@germanchickentThe trains were produced in Italy for the Danish railways (DSB) and the president of Italy sent one train meant for Denmark to Libya as a present for Ghadaffi.
The sad fact is that you CA'NT take the train from e.g Gothenburg via Copenhagen to Haifa! You'll be lucky if yo get to istanbul and then on to Adana in Turkey BUT, there are countries from there on that deny entry to Israel.
Oh that one day it would be possible to travel on the Eurostar from London St Pancras to Brussels, and then by onward rail travel across Europe to Israel...
Yup Malaysia & Indonesia lost the rights to host a swimming competition & the youth World Cup in 2019 & 2023 respectively after their authorities said they'd deny Israeli athletes entry into their countries, in protest against the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Actually in Indonesia's case their president was OK to let the athletes in, with their fixtures perhaps played in another nearby country, but the country's football association's head disagreed. Some might feel that this shows that the president lacks competence as he seems to appear to lack control over the football association, but on the other hand, having control over the football association might be regarded as political interference
It's true, but such a ride is not very practical, even if it was possible (at least not as a direct connection) and the situation in Syria wouldn't have allowed it anyway. Since the civil war, rail connections from Turkey and Jordan were severed. The Turkey connection might reopen in the future but I doubt the Jordanian one will ever work again as it was done on the old Hijazi railroad and I don't think they maintain it now. Jordan was left with a short operating segment for touristic purposes of the only operative passenger line they had.
very nice didnt know all these facts. they are by far better than the new electical Siemens Desiro HC ones without tables, and with the weird steps and low ceilings - terrible choice in my view
Hi, I have a graphic background in arts and animation and has illustrated a children's book. I live in Denmark and is a train enthusiast. Feel free to give me a call about the graphics work maybe we can work something out?
Things lost in translation between Europe and Israel definitely wouldn't be the first time or the last time lol 😂 but as far as the trains that I've travel on in Denmark are wonderful
this ic3 was ship to north american then amtrak was like hey dsb yes? can i have these train pls dsb be like yes sure you got this train gone to your land amtrak YES! meanwhile in american this train suck HEY DSB! DSB SAY WHAT! AMTRAK THIS CAN GET UP THIS HILL we don have hill in denmark and ship to isreal oh what up denmark yes this for you isreal what is this this is my ic3 wow can i have DSB SAY YES yay! The end
You have no idea how happy I was when I saw this video. The IC3 is my favorite IR train and I’m glad to see another train nerd appreciate it. I’m pretty sure that the unit you saw at the sidings was actually in the railway museum in Haifa. It is extremely sad that they are on the way out. IR is now aiming to have level boarding at all stations on all lines eventually. Currently it’s only the new Siemens trains. So the IC3 ticks all the wrong boxes. It’s old, it has stairs at the door, highest maintenance cost of any IR train, and it runs on diesel. Before Covid the IC3 was expected to have a long future in IR since it was the only train that was capable to run on the old Jerusalem line. Since that historic line was closed during the lockdowns and never reopened the IC3 had lost its only chance of staying in service in the future.
Thank you for the video
Sad to see them go, but as you point out they dont really suit the needs of the modern israeli railways anymorre
Hey
I spent several weeks at a Kibbutz near Bet Shean in 1981. I’m glad to see they have train service to Afula & Haifa.
as a very big IC3 fan and a daily user of the emek line i am sad about the decommissioning of the the trains, but there is a light at the end of the the train tunnel, the museum ( seen in 3:37) is planning to run trains during holidays and special occasions from Haifa center hashmona and bat galim(using platform a1) to the museum as a tourist service.
love from israel
Intresting, I hope the special herritage service happens :D
Fun fact back in the 90s IR shipped two IC3 units (6 cars) to North America to be tested for as a potential future train, first for Amtrak where it was called "Flexliner" and then they passed them to VIA Rail from Canada. you can google Flexliner and see the photos, they kept IR livery with Amtrak logos on the side.
I love that the handicapped doors lead to steps. So wheelchair accessible. Not.
1980s moment. I mean, the commuter trains in Stockholm have always had steps, not even level fboarding with the first step. Heck, only the modern Coradia EMUs are actually low floor.
Each station is equipped with a portable wheelchair lift that the station staff will operate for you if needed. That's probably just the best spot on the train for people in wheelchairs.
@@sirizalot Thanks for the info.
@@hemaccabe4292 I will also note that those trains are very very old and used only on short and not busy routes
Modern trains in Israel got build in lift for handicapped as well as previously said the station staff will always help if needed
The jingle at 6:35 is still in use in Denmark. I hear it everyday going from Roskilde to Copenhagen
Things to mention. VIA Rail in Canada did a service test in the early 90’s. One set of 3 cars was put in service between Montréal Qc Canada and Ottawa On Canada. Unfortunately the trainset didn’t reach what was expected and were sent back to their original country. The project was called VIA fast.
I had the chance to ride them once
The unit tested was provided by Israel Railways and was also tested by Amtrak.
According to the news, these trains will come to Hungary, and the Hungarian State Railways (MÁV) will use them.
In Spain we use them as well
They are called Serie 594
Great video, thanks! I am from Haifa and I love it very much. We have 5 train stations, a great bus network, a kind-of light rail, a funicular underground and a cable car. Take care!
There are (were?) versions of the IC3 in Israel with what felt like "business class" style seats. Still 2-by-2 facing seats like on your train, but the seats were a little wider, were more cushioned and have more comfortable arm rests.
I think some of the original sets build in Denmark had them. But not sure if they still exist with that configuration
All of the ic3 sets had their seats replaced (for a much less comfy seats).
But unfortunately 2 months ago all of the ic3 fleet has been retired.
We also have them in Spain! They are Renfe's 594 class trains
For those more interested in the trains and how the swinging cab works: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSB_Class_MF
5:20 I would've love to see inspection of the big rubber buffer in between the wagons. Also, I'd be interested in a little more information on the motor systems of the trains. It's interesting to see where diesel is still being used. Thank you for pleasant videos.
I wonder how the doors with the roller chair logo could accomodate for that? It opens to a gap and a three step stair!
As a new educated train operator earlier this year in Denmark, I just got my license for these trains. My first trip on my very own was on board 5201 this February.
There's 96 operating in Denmark. Originally only 92 for many years, but DSB brought 4 ekstra units back home from Sweden (they are "named" 5093 - 5096).
Unit 51 is rebuilt after a fire 🔥 and is given a new red/black color - the design that DSB plans for their future trains. Its called "The Bloody Baron" on my depot 😅
Very nice units to operate in my opinion. They are doing speeds up to 180 km/t in the daily intercity- and regional trains.
There's also an electric version of them going in DK - the IR4-units. On daily basis, both the IC3 and IR4 units are running together in the same trains - a very unique combination, as far as i know.
If you guys like these trains, you should take a trip to Fredericia in Denmark 🇩🇰 Its necessary to keep them in operation the next couple of years as well.
Those four sets, 5093-5096 kind of "returned home" to DSB since they were originally meant to be MF 54, 55, 56 and 58 back in 1991 (based on their serial no) but were transferred to Sweden during their production. Seven sets were changed to Swedish ownership as a way to speed up their delivery and became 1367, 1368, 1369, 1370, 1371, 1372 and 1373 over there. In 2003, four of those "originally intended for DSB" sets were "sold back" to Denmark and became MF 93 (1367), 94 (1368), 95 (1370) and 96 (1371). I have been riding all of them several times in Sweden and later in Denmark. Always interesting to ride the same train in two different countries, with different operators.
MF 51 received one car body from the Swedish "1376" after the serious fire in Odense, which warped the original MFA 5051. It was bent (slightly) in the middle from the heat.
MF 01 (5001) was the very first IC3 and its very first "journey" took place by hand since the original "Stella" computer system was completely dysfunctional and had to be replaced. Its first run under own power (from Scandia to the railway station in Randers) took place with "Manuella", a manual temporary control system that allowed the first gear to be engaged together with braking so it could move. Later, the current computer system was brought in as a full replacement and the trains started to work as designed and the rest is now history as they say.
IC3 is my favorite train. My first ride in one took place in 1992, in Sweden on "1372", a set later sold to Israel.
note about the tables. originally all the tables in IC ware the original long version but the last few years it was changed to those shorter ones for ease of maintenance as those are identical to those from bombardier (now alstom) trains as it saves ISR from stocking non critical part that can only be used on one train type that is being phased out
Very nice and informative video! There are 2 of these trainsets sitting at the Malha station in southwest Jerusalem.
Malha is the newer terminal of the historic Jerusalem-Jaffa railway, which was built in the 1890s. When the new fast train line from Tel-Aviv and Ben Gurion Airport to Yitzhak Navon station Jerusalem, the old Jerusalem-Jaffa railway wasn't needed much any more. Even before the new fast train, there were bus lines that could make the trip in faster time, and left from more centrally located points of the city.
When Covid hit, the Jerusalem-Jaffa railway line was suspended indefinitely. I'm quite sad I never got to ride it, because I've heard that the views are phenomenal. But my point is, 2 of these trainsets just sit at the Malha station, and they've probably been there since March of 2020.
You can also see faintly through the windows that the lights in the station building are still on. And the trash cans on the platforms are full. It's erie - the place is frozen in time, a testament to when the world shut down 3 years ago.
Intresting! I really wanted to ride the old line but sadly i visited too late. Seems like the old jerusalem line the IC3 are also soon part of history.
Lol love the graphic of the train on the ship.
Thank you for the video! As a little Israeli kid I would call them "Lions" because the rubber part looks like a lion's mane. A kid's imagination!
Thats a cool name for them!
SHALOM.THANK HYOU SIR FOR EVERY BEAUITFUL VIDEO
Thanks for watching
I used to take these units on my daily trip to work in Tel Aviv from my village of Beit Shemesh.
Cool, sadly not many running down there anymore from what I've been able to tell
Bet Shemesh isn't a village, it's bigger than Ashkelon now.
@@YishaiBarr You are correct...I meant to write, my village near Beit Shemesh.
I love this train as an Israeli they were my favorite and still are soon they are about to retire soon
Now you basically just need to do a video on the IC2 and then you would have covered basically all the IC3 variants
Yes
Ah good point, i'll have to do that some time in the future :D
There is some delay in electrification around Haifa because the city council wants Israel Railways first to reshape the railway's line inside the city. So these trains will run a lot more time than expected.
Thanks for the update! A few more years left for them then :D
There is no delay as there is an agreement.
The current line will be electrified as it is now and with the construction a second double track as a high speed line (250kph) a tunnel will be built at, more or less, the current rout to the four tracks with two underground stations, the current Bat Galim station and a new Kiryat Ha-memshala station that will replace איק Haifa Center HaShmona station. It will start after Hof HaCarmel station and end near Paz Bridge.
I assume that you are one of those who wanted that the new high speed lines will bypass Haifa in a tunnel directly to tel Aviv, even though Haifa is the big city in the area and should be the hub for high speed and regional lines. I've seen the meetings and the studies - the high speed bypass tunnel would have lowered the number of trains connecting the north to the center and hurt the city of Haifa as the large city in this area.
Travelled on these a few times, Haifa-Tel Aviv. Don't see them often now.
They have all been taken out of service now I'm afraid
In Spain we have some of these trains too. They are called TRD. But I prefer the interifor design of the danish ones
We also have these trains in Spain, but with a 2-car configuration.
Unfortunately for some stupid reason they removed the frontal rubber part and door during some renovation works, and their unique coupling capabilities were lost. I guess it was to reduce maintenance and operational costs, but who knows...
If you want to find out how they look now with a regular frontal part, look up "Renfe Serie 594", it's messed up.
Those trains are still used on short lines with little occupancy. I've seen them on the line between Beer sheva university and Dimona.
They are phased out due to reliability and maintenance cost problems.
Also they have another problem - not enough doors. On busy stations this was causing a lot of delays (it takes 3-4 minutes or even more for a full train)
But they still have some advantages vs the new trains - they accelerate much faster and have a higher top speed (160 vs 140 on the new ones)
Nice, very informative video.👍
Some of the IC3’s in Israel used to have a payphone,
As a kid, I thought that is the coolest thing, I still have a picture with a payphone on a Train.
once I tried using it for fun, but the call wasn’t very clear 😂
My favorite line with the IC3 is the Bet Shemeh to Jerusalem route, it is absolutely gorgeous, unfortunately during Covid, it was shut down, but never reopened, currently it’s unclear if they’re ever going to reopen it 😢
the Malcha Jerusalem train station still has 2 IC3 parked over there
Just found your channel. Love your voice !
These exist in Sweden, called Y2.
They do! I plan to take a trip on one very soon
My most preferred trains, what a pity they are no longer in service (!
MÁV-START planned to buy this DMU-s, to Hungary
I was on an IC3 that caught fire (had to use those little hummers to break the windows). I later heard that IC3 trains are known to catch fire because the engines are located below the passenger cars. Anybody have heard about IC3 and fire?
A few have caught fire in Denmark as well, and they are getting quite old now
As of a week ago, theyre still running on the beit shean line
In Belgium it's like the most commonly used train. (I'm just guessing don't get mad if in fact, other types are more popular, it's just like what I would picture in my head when someone says "regular train" or something)
edit: turns out the Belgian ones are actually a different (also a decade newer) type, they just look quite similar...
The ones that I have seen go to Luxembourg and are electric
Ye they use similar front design but technically they are quite different! Ill have to come check them out some day
9:19 Those cars look a bit like the "Married-Pair" cars wich are running in Germany between Hamburg and Westerland on the island of Sylt.
Ah good point! Similar conecept but the ones to sylt are made by Bombardier :-)
3:59 ecn-3000 siren
These were commonly used on more "rural" lines before their final retirement - I always wondered why some have reading lights and some don't, never knew some were made in Israel!
There was a a railway employee in my army reserve unit , in the '90s he graduated to being a driver. He told me that the procurement team that chose the iC3 was inexperienced because there hadn't been modernisation for decades. They didn't realise that the IC3 engines were not suitable for the very hot Israeli climate and that a team of mechanics from Denmark was kept in Israel to keep them running. Well, despite all that, they seem to have lasted OK.
And now it seems like Hungary wants to buy them, so they cant be in that bad of condition :D
I recognize that jingle even though I haven't been on one of these trains for years! These trains became very popular and ridership exploded when they were introduced (designated Y2) in Sweden on the Blekinge Coastal Railway in the early 90s. The electric trains that replaced them around 15 years later aren't as comfortable.
I just took the Y2 in Sweden not that long ago to Kalmar, but i understand they will soon be replaced by new CAF trains
1:45 Those diesels does me thinking on the German regional Dosto's (Double stock)
I'm an Israeli and I use this type of train only ones, I usually see the red double-decker because the new electric ones don't come to my city for now, I hope you had fun in Israel
I had a great trip! Hope you can try the train more in the future :)
They "electrify" the southern part of Israel now, by 2025 they should end. I assume that you live in the south?
@@dors5969 Not all tracks are going to be electrified.
The "valley line" in this video will not be electrified for now, it will be done when they'll double the tracks in a few years as part of a future extension of the, currently under construction, Eastern line that will connect to the Valley line and the connection between Afula, on that line, to Tiberias.
The Bet Shemesh line will not be electrified and I don't know what the plans for this line are. Today it's aa single track branch line but was a part of the old line to Jerusalem.
The Be'er Sheva Dimona linw will not be electrified as it's an old winding single track line that has very low ridership and was built for freight usage. It's set to be replaced with a new double track high speed electrified line that is part of the planed high speed rail line to Eilat (the line to Eilat was approved but is not promoted as the current estimated cost is 40B NIS - almost 11B$ - to connect a 50,000 inhabitants city + a handful of small settlements).
Yes and now it my first time trying the new electric trains by the way@@dors5969
This train is also run by the RENFE company in Spain. Perform the services "Regionales" TRD 584.
Saludos desde España.
Yes they are build on the same platform, i will come check it out some time in the future :D
it seems that 46 of these will run in hungary. (depends on the negotiations success...)
7:44 Lod🚂 is the city i come from in originally now i'm from harish in haifa district❤
As of early June 2023, they are still in service
I haven't read or seen anything about the imminent electrification of any of the lines served by these trains.
@@naftush Yeah. Maybe it is a part of Bibi's new rail plan?
Thanks for this view, the expansion of the Israel rail network is new to me.
The Swedish IC3 have murals on all the walls
In Belgium we have also a "Danish nose" MS/AM96, I ask my self what would the difference Danish-Belgium material. In Belgium they gone drive at least a few years, there is even older material on the Belgian network than this.
Thanks for the video. One small correction: these train sets were built in Beersheba, not Dimona - at the factory is located at these coordinates (31.2509720, 34.8236195)
I traveled on this train type many times, I like it much more than the newer double deck trains.
There is at least one more app you can use in the Israeli railway and public transport - Hopon rav pas.
Also, the train system is ok, but it could be much better.
There is no train to Eilat, the most southern city in Israel, traveling by aircraft from TLV is allegedly a quick option (40 minutes of flight), but you need to get to the airport, which can take 10-15 minutes at least, if you live close to the airport (Shoham, Yehud, Or Yehuda, etc.), otherwise it'll be at least 30 minutes ride in a car or even more on a train, than you have to go through security in the airport and arrive 90 minutes before your flight, meaning for someone who lives in the central area, it can take almost 4 hours to get from his home to Eilat.
I can do it in similar time in my car or take a bus from Tel Aviv or Beer Sheva, but if I could take a train, it was much better and probably faster.
Also, on Sunday when soldiers take the train you can't find any place to seat or sometimes it's even hard to find a place to stand!
Some major cities should get more routes (at least in the rush hours) from\to Tel Aviv, like Haifa and Beer Sheva, in the rush hours there is only one fast train from\to Beer Sheva every one hour, the others are slower (since they stop in more stations).
I still maintain this train looks like an intestinal worm.
Which makes it a perfect fit for Hamburg Hbf ;)
But they won't remain at Hamburg Hbf for long. Probably only about 1-2 years left before the last direct to Aarhus will run
Great video
i liked the video very much
Very interresting video. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
These trains are also in Belgium , but in Belgium these Danish trains are the electric counterparts of that noisy diesel !!
We also have 2 electric versions in Denmark
The Hungaran Railways is negotiating to buy these. Hope the deal will go through.
Most welcome here
Have you travelled with the SNCB?
Yes altho a long time ago! And i do want to make a video on their AM96 rubber noses :-)
I knew it that someone will mention the AM96 of SNCB
Funb fact: the DSB jingle is the notes D Es B, or as an English speaker would call them, D, E flat, B flat.
Hi. Came back to this video to say that the IC3s are being decommissioned permanently right now. That means that there's no hope for resurrecting the Bet Shemesh-Jerusalem railway that only the IC3 can run on until the off chance IR decides to purchase new rolling stock that can do it.
What a shame!
@@Simon-Andersen It makes no sense to reopen it as a regular line anyway, basically nobody would use it.
That said, I think it has immense potential as a tourist line. I've been on it twice, and it's easily tied for most scenic train line in Israel (the other being the Binyamina-Haifa section). It also ends right by the Jerusalem Zoo, and at the future location of the Israel Railway Museum (which is moving from Haifa to Malha).
@@yaitz3313The massive amount of bus traffic between Bet Shemesh and Jerusalem would say otherwise. Bet Shemesh is in dire need of a railway connection to Jerusalem.
Not a single comment in the video about the rubber front and what purpose it serves? It might be obvious, I would guess for silence in the vegetables, but it seems like
I did at 05:16. Its to allow easy acress between the units when run together :-)
Yeah, planning the ruins visit next time.
we have those in spain, renfe class 594 TRD
So why does it have big round rubber lips on the front of it?
It's an end gangway so that people can access other sets. Similar concepts are found on many trains in the UK. I don't understand end gangways on multiple units either.
this trains can conjoin two trains ? maybe it is possible to put out the front part and passenger can get through from one train into the other ?
The cab folds 90 degrees so that the end gangway can be used and the next constituent MU accessed.
Yes see around 05:17
These trains are not that unique at all, in Belgium they have a similar design called the MS96 EMU. These also sport this rubber bumper both front and end. Though I must admit they are younger and I have no more info besides to have seen them when I visited Belgium (since I don't live there myself).
Edit, just took a look at Wikipedia, the design is an actual copy of the IC3, so yeah, they were unique until others started to copy them :p
Its all on license from the same design so there are a few of them but the IC3 is the original :-)
We have the same trains in Belgium
5:16 is this just normal in Israel?
Yes, most soldiers use public transportation, and they have to bring their weapon along.
@@abcabcboy that's very interesting
También existieron en Andalucia, España.
I can live without reading lights on a 55 minutes ride
Me too, just thought it was fun to point out the diffrence between the original ones build in Denmark and those locally in israel :-)
The Trains in Israel is like a metro system in USA, the country is small, so no need for sleeping seats and no need for business seats because people that want that will travel by car.
Basically its top-side metro, im sure there is name for it...
As in Metro North in New York, not actual metros.
The issue isn't the distance but the capacity. Already now Israel Railways run at over capacity of passenger coaches and overcapacity on Ayalon line that is the bottleneck of its network and even it would have a market for business coaches it can't place them while not satisfying actual demand for regular passangers.
@@Shrulik
Cant they just add more carriages? its not a bus, so whats the problem making the trains longer?
IMO the train system is uncomfortable, i use a car.
I wish they build the train in the middle of cities, so it goes on the main street.
But traveling to industrial zone and back, is problematic, takes time by itself and costs money since you need to pay twice for bus or taxi, so each train ride is 4 payments, and sometimes 6 because in some cities you need to go from train to central bus station and then swap again, and when you go back home you need to do it in reverse.
The government in Israel and bibi is so corrupt that what other countries build in months, takes years to build.
Hell Ukrainians when bombed restore railway in days, 300 years ago in America they been building railway across miles, yet we still dont have a complete railway in a country so small that Metro systems in Moscow, London, NY etc are bigger then our railway.
@@NoBodysGamer
First you need to acquire them and it takes months if not years.
Extend platforms in stations and,
Have strong locomotives that can push/pull the extra weight.
IC3 is Danish train. Germans call it Gumminase (Rubber nose)
Can you make a video about some finnish train again? Also, what's your favorite train currently?
Yes i am going to Finland again very soon :-)
@@Simon-Andersen yeah, unfortunately all the train drivers in the country are on a strike, and there's no clear answer as to when it will end.
It's not fully true that SJ sold them as it was Kustpilen that is now part of krösatåg they use SJ's employees but are a sepret company
Ah yes you're right! Slight mistake :D
There is also an IC4 train in Lybia! But it's because it was stolen..
Yes that is true! Those were build in italy :D
how did they stole a train? (serious question)
@@germanchickentThe trains were produced in Italy for the Danish railways (DSB) and the president of Italy sent one train meant for Denmark to Libya as a present for Ghadaffi.
@@duploman0003 thx 😇
We want to buy in Hungary, Hungarian State Railway (MÁV), for Interregio trains!
Exciting development, lets see what ends up happening!
The sad fact is that you CA'NT take the train from e.g Gothenburg via Copenhagen to Haifa! You'll be lucky if yo get to istanbul and then on to Adana in Turkey
BUT, there are countries from there on that deny entry to Israel.
Yeah i dont think international rail travel to Israel is happening any time soon
Oh that one day it would be possible to travel on the Eurostar from London St Pancras to Brussels, and then by onward rail travel across Europe to Israel...
Yup Malaysia & Indonesia lost the rights to host a swimming competition & the youth World Cup in 2019 & 2023 respectively after their authorities said they'd deny Israeli athletes entry into their countries, in protest against the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Actually in Indonesia's case their president was OK to let the athletes in, with their fixtures perhaps played in another nearby country, but the country's football association's head disagreed. Some might feel that this shows that the president lacks competence as he seems to appear to lack control over the football association, but on the other hand, having control over the football association might be regarded as political interference
It's true, but such a ride is not very practical, even if it was possible (at least not as a direct connection) and the situation in Syria wouldn't have allowed it anyway. Since the civil war, rail connections from Turkey and Jordan were severed. The Turkey connection might reopen in the future but I doubt the Jordanian one will ever work again as it was done on the old Hijazi railroad and I don't think they maintain it now. Jordan was left with a short operating segment for touristic purposes of the only operative passenger line they had.
Didn't Via rail test a Israel dmu?
Yup and Amtrak too! It did a tour of north america around the time they were build :)
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...why did they not use german trains?
@Jg235 they would be used to the brand? is that what you want to say JG235?
There is plenty of german trains there, i dont actually know why they went with the IC3 tho
Aint no way. At 1:45 these are dostos from germany
Slighly modified for use in the heat
very nice didnt know all these facts. they are by far better than the new electical Siemens Desiro HC ones without tables, and with the weird steps and low ceilings - terrible choice in my view
Looks like you will be getting a lot of them. They are clean, electric and good at moving people but maybe not as comfortable :-(
Our Japanese train should introduce this rubber with air bumper to save lives against suiciders
According to the news 46 piece come to hungary.
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Things lost in translation between Europe and Israel definitely wouldn't be the first time or the last time lol 😂 but as far as the trains that I've travel on in Denmark are wonderful
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And I see the double decker trains look like ex German trains!
They are the same models as the german ones, but the cab cars have a large generator to cope with the heat
Israel railways stopped today using it:(
Yup I'm happy I managed to travel on one in time
Bet shean is the israely veirshon of idaho
they are coming to Hungary
Look forward to seeing them there if the deal goes though!
hungary want to buy this used trains from Israel
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Elefantarslet 😂
The SUS train
this ic3 was ship to north american then amtrak was like hey dsb yes? can i have these train pls dsb be like yes sure you got this train gone to your land amtrak YES! meanwhile in american this train suck HEY DSB! DSB SAY WHAT! AMTRAK THIS CAN GET UP THIS HILL we don have hill in denmark and ship to isreal oh what up denmark yes this for you isreal what is this this is my ic3 wow can i have DSB SAY YES yay! The end