Stalling in the Sky and Crashing Just Before Landing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- Find out why the Airbus A310 operating as Thai Airways Flight 261 stalled and crashed into a swamp during its landing attempt at Surat Thani Airport, Thailand.
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I'm amazed ANYONE survived.
Me too.
and it sounds like many who died - drowned - rather than succumbing to injuries
@@johneyon5257What is even more weird is that most of the survivors where seated in the front part of the plane.
@@williamromine5715 - yeah - many many people commented on that - those of us who have seen a lot of these videos have mostly heard that those near the tail were more likely to survive - and i think scientific studies have come up with similar results - altho - the statistical advantage wasn't enormous - which implies that many survivors aren't in the tail section
Especially at night and in swampy ground.
I'm amazed anyone walked away from that
I don't think they walked away🤷🏻♂️
One of the survivors is the famous singer in Thailand named James Reaungsark, firstly he had a serious injured but after 3 months in hospital, finally he’s back, so he had his other name called “Iron Lungs Singer”
I don't understand this crash at all. The "very experienced" pilot had multiple warnings of an impending stall, and his failure to lower the nose was inexcusable. SMH
I understand it because I know that airline pilots often suck at actually flying the airplane. And automation is not improving that trend.
Yes absolutely - it beggars belief!
I was so impressed about this detailed projection. Believe me, I can judge it, because I am one of the survivors of that crash.
Wow glad your still with us
Wow....thank God you survived..so sad
Show us your scars. I think you could be a fantasist.
Thank god!!! 😮
Well Praise God!
Nice video. It is clear the Captain and his First Officer did not watch their instruments. They relied on feel to tell them their third landing attempt and go-around were like the first two sets - which is exactly what pilots are told not to do. They needed to watch their instruments, especially in the dark. I don't suppose anyone thought to move the VOR, or even better, install ILS on that runway?
How flights are allowed to take place at night when pilot’s only visibility is through that tiny ass windshield is beyond me
Funding. Common trouble even now. Plus, it was not Hat Yai or Phuket that was (is) better equipped.
That is exactly what I was thinking. The instruments are there for a reason. Use them.
You gotta trust your instruments UNLESS your instruments are malfunctioning. But the instruments are there for a reason. Its like ok, as a trained pilot you should be able to land your plane safely even if you saw nothing out of the front window. These were not pilots. They were chimpanzees mashing buttons. RIP to the ppl who died.
@@TheFailedmessiah no. You can't do a safe landing without visual unless you got a minimum ILS CAT II and your aircraft is certified for autoland, so not in this case. In this case, they should watch their instrument until minimum and if they still not able to find the runway at that point, they should go around.
great channel you got. love the "no narration". your captions always tell a clear story
Each to their own Daniel I agree it’s a great channel but I would prefer the narration assuming it was good quality narration like some of the other aviation videos on TH-cam are
@@malcolmwhite6588 most of them use the narration to inject drama
and pathos into the story, and use overblown music. they produce
in segments. TFC tells a contiguous story in direct fashion, and doesnt
try to elicit any emotion, but pays homage to the victims as well. no one
else does it like that. the re-enactment channels I find hokey.
@@danielkokal8819 true - not all but a lot do, and I didn’t think I would say this, but I find it quite relaxing just to look at it and quietly read the subtitles and peacefully taken the drama. I guess you would say, but they are certainly presented quite respectfully.
really surprised to see this one come out before the more infamous TG311, but happy that you make a coverage of this flight as well
Watching this since starting, this channel is a masterpiece ❤🎉
Totally agree. Every time I am impressed with the facts and reproductions. Round of applause!
Agree 💯%
@@sarahalbers5555 👍
@@JaniceWithTheTarlovCyst totally
Add me to the cheering team.
*The captain was not aware of the altitude until the stall warning*
"Yeah so, This giant globe thing in the dash.. durr, I wish in all my 10,000 hours that I'd figure out what that was. " - The Pilot
That pilot and 1st were idiots
Excellent job as always! And thank you for NOT doing audio narration on this episode.
He doesn't do voice, being a voicecel
I don’t think he’s ever dove audio narration…?😊
@@minimap1 I think he did a while back, and tried it again with AI just a month or two ago.
At any rate, there have been episodes with no captions and a “voice like sound” was saying the words. Whatever is was, most viewers disliked it.
He does narrate, people tell him not to. He uses captions, people tell him not to do that. He can't win.
Honestly surprised so many survived and that most of the survivors were at the front, considering that the front of the plane slammed into the ground.
I'm quite sure that the front of the plane didn't hit the ground like it's shown in the video. No way!
I think the nose hit water, not land?
@@timonsolusthe front would still impacted the ground first so the fact that the passengers at the rear died instead of the front makes no sense at all according to the crash that is shown in this video. I believe that the pilot did manage to get the front pointed upward but there weren’t enough altitude to avoid the crash.
I remember TV report because the tail impact first on hard ground near the end of the runway and caugh fire. The front of the plane crash on the rubber tree field before plummet in to the swap.
Exactly it makes no sense
this just goes to show you how many bad pilots are still out there. they get the job, do the training, have the cert, but really instead of true aviators, they're just operating a bus in the sky very poorly, in an effort to get people from one place to another as quickly and cheaply as possible. these guys sadly were not aviating. what a tragic loss for these passengers.
Speaking as a bus operator, I resent being used as an insult. Personally, even if I have to do three go-arounds I _never_ lose control of the vehicle's pitch.
Amen. The once proud profession has entered a sad state of affairs.
Agreed. The so called pilots sucked.
@@TheFailedmessiah Too bad you were not the pilot on this flight. You would have saved them all in a perfect landing on the runway.
@@sidhayes6168 not me, but my good friend has a Cessna and he would do better, he’s going for his commercial license, he’s a smart cookie.
I’m surprised that 45 people actually survived.
Then the impact could not be like the one we see here.
I know
@@octopusmagnificens Yes, nobody could have lived through that. I don't think the depiction of the approach track was accurate either.
@@octopusmagnificens The fact that it went into a marsh/swamp may have helped, as opposed to crashing into hard terrain.
Not flying the aircraft. Not watching the Gyro as they went around. Nor the airspeed, nor the altimeter..Not sure what these two WERE looking at.
Seeing the angle that it crashed, I thought everyone aboard died. But thank god 45 people were given a second chance to live
I was surprised to have learned that there were 45 survivors, I thought in my head that everyone on board had passed away. My stomach was doing gymnastics the entire time.
grow a pair.
@@CapecodhamHave you stopped beating your wife yet, burt?
@@CapecodhamThat's not very nice, Burt.
@@wiggs5598 but true.
You are so good at showing every little detail that other shows miss keep up the great work
Like what?
What do you mean?
11:07 15 people survived with no serious injures. The aircraft even burst into flames upon crashing in this nightmare. I wonder how those 15 peoples' lives changed afterwards.
Small nit pick: in an IFR approach it is never called a "go around". Its always a "missed approach". DON MUEANG INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT has since received an ILS approach. Although this is clearly pilot error, it is well known that ILS is the safest approach, followed by VOR/LOC, and the least safe begin non-aligned VOR approaches (approaches where the VOR radial is not aligned with the runway). In this day and age there shouldn't be any air carrier serviced runways without a precision approach. Its just penny wise and pound foolish.
but this crash happened at Surat Thani not DMK
ok
Very sensitive retelling of a horrible tragedy, thanks as ever TFC.
Amazing anyone survived that crash.
This video sent shivers through me. HUMAN ERROR . . .
It’s one thing to screw up the approach, and even the go around, but this is complete insanity. Airplanes have warning bells, and many other things to tell you things are not going well, and this was no exception. As soon as that star warning sounded and the stick shaker activated, both pilots should’ve been pushing forward on the yoke. The fact that the first officer didn’t speak up or come on the controls is insane.
I agree but it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome. It was a low altitude stall so even if they pushed nose down, they would have run out of room before recovering. If they had been monitoring their instruments they wouldn't have stalled in the first place.
@@gusmc01 yeah but why did they allow the pitch angle to reach 48 degrees in the first place???
@@RAAFLightning1stress of the go-arounds along with pure idiocy.
Ur mom was in the rear lavatory. Nothing could be done to correct the weight shift.
@@rxw5520omg lol
Been here since 30k subs or so.. keep up the great work and take care!!!
Wow how tragic crash and unnecessary.
Hard to imagine a VOR point not aligned with the runway is that not odd and and unexpected ?
It would seem that on the third go round the pilot's experience spatial disorientation while ignoring their instruments showing and excessive pitch-up, just sad and hard to imagine such experience pilots making such an error and leading to such loss.
I think that overreliance upon autopilot controls can allow flight cruise to that rack up high numbers of hours while still having relatively low hours of hands-on flying ability and when that moment when such as required comes they just are not able to muster the skill required to control the plane properly.
RIP to the 101 victims in Jesus name.
A VOR can never be on or too close to the runway. They are enroute navigation aids and sometimes approaches are charted off VOTS that are not even on the airport. You can expect to come in at an angle up to 30 degrees off runway centerline. That's why so much visibility is required for a VOR or TACAN approach. You may have to maneuver a bit to align the aircraft for landing.
I used to have to wait for various aviation documentaries etc to come up on TV but since I hooked up with wifi and threw away the decoders I have a lot of excellent channels to watch and your channel is superlative. Thanks for the great work 😊😊😊❤
Superlative eh?
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i will never fly ever again, but i do love flight simulators
why not
US commercial aviation has suffered only one fatality in the last 11 years. Car crashes have taken hundreds of thousands of lives in that same period. Are you afraid to drive?
Just think every time an airplane crashes the faa and ntsb learn from their mistakes and fix the problem
Maybe due to age, you never know.
@@Dick_Z_Normasflying is very safe right up until something goes wrong. Flying will NEVER become totally foolproof. Many car crashes are not fatal and come with airbags and seatbelts that aren’t completely useless unlike plane seatbelts
Graphics are just incredible! Great job TFC!
6:26 During the missed approach "the angle of attack gradually increases from 10 degrees to 48 degrees". You must mean aircraft pitch attitude, because I assume that angle of attack would be well past stall for this aircraft.
I concur. It was the pitch that increased. However the AofA cannot go passed the stall as, at the stall the aircraft stops flying and the nose drops.
@@stevejohnson9283 Yes the nose will drop, but actually with sufficient elevator authority the angle of attack can go well past stall and remain there.
Actually, don't even need much elevator authority if the airplane is in a spin. In a stabilized spin the inboard wing is more stalled (higher AOA) than the outboard wing, and the greater drag imparts the yawing moment.
Any new pilots watching,
Don't believe the ever increasing excuse of "pilots being stressed" and screwing up and killing everyone. Piloting is a stressful job, risk management never ends even on a "routine" flight. If you don't handle stress well, don't go into flying. It's not for you. If the pilot was on instruments and paying attention as he should've been, it would be impossible to not see your most important flight instrument turn all blue as you pitch up to 48 degrees, prompting you to say, "This isn't right, let me fix it." Such a shame.
Huh. Usually the people that survive a plane crash are the ones sitting in the back of the plane. Interesting that this was the inverse.
Great video as always, TFC!
There’s actually quite a few crashes where people in the front were the ones to survive.
I am astounded that anyone survived! So tragic. Your videos are stellar!!! 🤩
So, I have been watching your videos for quite some time, and here are some that i am requesting that you add.
Day 3.
Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise flight 612
Korean airlines 858
1983 Chosonminhang Ilyushin Il-62 crash
TAN 414
Pulkovo Aviation Enterprise Flight 9560
Ural Airlines Flight 178
Libyan Arab airlines flight 114
Libyan Arab airline flight 1103
TWA 800 (Not the one that crashed in New York, but the one that crashed in Italy)
Kenya airways flight 431
Aero flight 311
LOT Polish airlines flight 007
LOT Polish airlines flight 5055
Delta airlines flight 723
World airways flight 30
Eastern airlines flight 375
Air Greenland 3275
Ariania airlines 701
Air Canada 621
Vnukovo flight 2801
UTA 120
UTA 772
United airlines flight 227
That'll put a few people off flying.
Easy, Dumbo. One or two suggestions are enough.
Thank YOU.
The co pilot is my friend San Chalermsanyakorn . We graduated from flying school in January 1995. He started his job with third officer ( system operator) with airbus A300-B4 . And few years later he upgraded to be second officer (co pilot) with A300-600 and A310 . At that time when the accident happended I was a co pilot flying B777 flight TG 620 from BKK to KIX via Manila just few hours after landed at KIX airport (Osaka Japan ).
Your mate needs to give his job up before he kills innocent people
nahh.. i call bullshit.
@@trustkillxxxx I understand that people lie on the internet all the time, but I'd give him the benefit of the doubt here. He provided quite detailed information, so I'm inclined to believe him as there's nothing that obviously points to a lie. Sometimes we just have to give people the benefit of the doubt unless evidence (such as comment history) proves otherwise.
@@wendymorgan6651 The Co-Pilot died in the crash.
@@robertl426 yes
You left out the key factor in this accident(and many similar A300/A310 accidents/incidents)….
The Airbus’s Alpha floor protection. It drives the pitch trim all the way up so when the pilot releases the pressure the plane will pitch up with full authority causes the plane to stall.
The after thought procedures…hold the runaway trim wheel so that the trim switches trips off.
In this accident, what I remembered was that the plane pitches up so high (and stalls) and it hammerhead down to one side and dove down to the swamp.
That thumbnail is wild though 🤣🤣🤣
This doesn't really explain why they stalled on the go-around and why they failed to respond to the stall warning and recover. It's a fairly clear process. Apply power, fly runway heading with a stablized climb then follow the missed approach procedure. Go-arounds are common particularly in places like Thailand with highly changeable weather. Pilots do this all the time without stalling. There is more to this story than we are seeing here.
What, did they just overcompensate on that third attempt? And it was amazing that there were any survivors ❤️
When a captain forgets to look at their instruments.
...when you can't see anything out front, trust your attitude indicator and fly by it and airspeed - until otherwise. I am not a big fan of some airlines pilots, and their skills.....
That is why during manual ascent, the pilot monitoring should be focused on the instruments and leaving navigation and chatting to ATC until they have levelled off.
Alternatively, they could have set the ascent on autopilot, with one pilot keeping an eye on the instruments.
Manual flying is always good for maintaining pilot skills, but in situations such as on the video, it is a two man job.
Isn't that the very definition of insanity, doing the same thing , over and over, expecting a different result?
Its not a video game with a programmed situation, it is real world with variability. The actual visibility can be different for each approach. You can miss seeing the runway due to a low lying cloud that is not there for the next approach. As long as the weather is reported as legal for the approach it is not insanity to try it again. A properly flown approach where you never see anything is perfectly safe -- if not, why would you even do it the first time?
You saw that quote too?!?
How some of the passengers survived this crash in the front portion of the plane is beyond recognition of physics.
“Understanding” of physics but ya
@@hillarybillary21 aww thanks HillBilly Holly. I’m sure you have a BIG understanding of physics with the size of your fun-bags. Two basketballs bouncing up and down while you walk, adding weighted pressure to your lower back. Speaking of back, are you still able to sleep on it or do you need to sleep on your side to reduce stress from the surgery? Anyway blow up doll…OOPS I mean Doll, have a nice day, but yah.
I was working at Surat Thani at the time. Not unusual for weather to turn quickly. Story was why the pilots didn’t head back to Bangkok. Also heard about the harrowing rescue. At that time there were only 2 flights per day from Bangkok to Surat Thani. The airport was also shared with the Royal Thai Air Force
Why not divert to Koh samui ?
Is it really a 1:55 flight time to Surat Thani? I always took the train south, but I don't remember it being quite so far.
Sounds as a reasonable time. Know that was enough time for a meal service.
@@paulweston285 Samui airport is too small and the runway is too short for A310 landing. At that time it has other 2 airports are Phuket and Hat-Yai airport available for A310 landing .
@@BudSchnelker It is around 55mins - 1 hour from BKK to Surat Thani
So tragic. Was really surprised any survived. And many drowned in waist deep water? I sincerely hope they moved the VOR to a better location. Very important when you have conditions where the pilots need to rely on them. RIP 101 souls. Thank you for another great presentation.
It amazes me that they tried three times. They should’ve diverted after the second attempt.
Agreed. Maybe the pilots felt too tired to fly back to Bangkok, and so were 'desperate' to land, even in unsafe conditions?
Actually if I counted correctly they bailed on the third attempt and were trying for a 4th time.
@@MoreBuffMoreMuffok, it’s not just me, this is the comment I was looking for
@@MoreBuffMoreMuffI believe after the 3rd try the pilots were planning on diverting to Bangkok.
For the sake of seat selection, could anyone explain why many of the survivors were from the front portion of the aircraft? Didn't its nose hit the ground first?
I doubt the video is accurate on the angle of impact because that depicted was not survivable. I also doubt it is accurate as to the angle of ground track toward the runway.
Honestly, I thought the safest place to sit in a plane was in the back and isle seat. Good question though about this video. Following.
Hard to say. The two factors are whiplash shock (front hits then tail is whipped to the ground much harder) and also that many aircraft break in half on impact, leaving the tail section on its own.
@@Melissa-SC73often it is but it really depends on the crash itself.
@@gort8203and it seems like many that were killed drowned not killed on impact.
I think the layout of the airport needs to redone. Too many trees and the VOR needs to br centered. So sad that many died. 😔💔
The VOR is never centered. A VOR can never be on or too close to the runway. They are enroute navigation aids and sometimes approaches are charted off VORS that are not even on the airport. You can expect to come in at an angle up to 30 degrees off runway centerline. That's why so much visibility is required for a VOR or TACAN approach. You may have to maneuver a bit to align the aircraft for landing. It is not a precision approach, and not even a localizer non-precision approach.
You'd think after practicing twice the third time would have been flawless.
If the VOR is on the left side of the runway they should have been tracking in from the right of runway centerline, not the left. The final approach course will cross the runway centerline prior to the threshold, so they would have to look to the right of the nose to see the runway, but they would not be to the left of the runway centerline unless flying an incorrect inbound course. I'm not sure the video depiction duplicates the actual track of the aircraft.
Simply unbelievable that experienced pilots FAILED to properly execute a go around by reference to their attitude indicator and STALLED the plane....sooooo sad
Strange that the pilot started to recover by pushing nose down, but then relaxed pressure and let it go again. With the all-blue attitude indicator right in front of his face, in IMC. His eyes (the eyes of BOTH pilots) should have been glued to the thing. What else do you have to look at? But of course, we’re all sitting in our recliners watching a video, not piloting an airliner in the dark and rain. And, as others have pointed out, the video implies a nose down, inverted attitude at impact, which certainly would have killed everyone instantly. Bit of an unusual lapse for this excellent channel.
Nighttime spatial disorientation and ineffective crew management.
Crew management has to be the biggest factor in the crash, in that the copilot should have his attention affixed on the flight gauges, and calling out to the captain what the aircraft is doing as per the flight gauges. I'm not trying to blame the copilot, as the CVR will have all of a verbal transaction. It is just beyond me that there is two displays that show angle of attack. How was it that both instrument gauges were ignored ?
It would be a more informative video if there were more details of what the captain and copilot were doing, as per the investigation of the two pilots saying to each other during the crisis moment. Or is it that the investigation is still open ? The FDR data obviously has been released as per its usage in the production of this video.
Stalling in a swept wing jet? Well, I don’t even want to think about. The amount of airspace it takes to recover, the aerodynamic stresses on the air frame? People who have survived it? Well that was just dumb luck
Theflightchannel how come you are still not making a video of what happened to Philippines airlines
How does a pilot with over 10,000 hours of commercial flight time NOT know how to do an ILS approach and landing... or recognize the importance of lowering the nose as his aircraft slows, then stalls ... and falls from the sky?!
VOR was misplaced, however doing a proper stall recovery we can debate I agree..however NTSB suggest it must have been caused by stress...actually he did but the plane pitch back up...sketchy hmm?
@@crjsim And the location of the VOR was, what... unknown and uncharted? And an experienced commercial pilot like him didn't have the charts or on-board computer equipment for approach reference? I'm sorry... none of this makes sense except gross incompetence.
Incorrect VOR location? People perished? Meh - noone is repsonsible@@FatherVampire
It was gremlins.
@@FatherVampireyeah agreed. Total idiot that pilot. This is inexcusable. Also doesn’t help that planes are allowed to fly in blinding conditions but eh
Unspeakable. Insane. Inexcusable. From top management on down, dangerously incompetent. Great graphics.
Incorrect VOR location? People perished? Meh - noone is repsonsible
How could the Jeppsson charts leave off that minor detail?
It happens quite a bit actually from what I watched Mayday, and read some accidents.
Where is the guy that always says he was on that flight?
Look at above comments he's there , i'm smelling BS,....(30 COMMENTS UP)
He's here, unfortunately
@@JaniceWithTheTarlovCyst just found him. Too pathetic.
'Aviate, navigate and communicate'. Whatever happened to 'aviate' here?
Just curious, but what do you mean when you wrote that the Pilot's were "Channelised"? I don't understand your context.
Tunnel vision. Focusing on one thing to the expense of everything else
It’s a bc miracle that anyone survived. My initial thought when the pilot pulled up on the throes attempt was that he was frustrated and perhaps was a little “aggressive”.
The findings of the investigative board make no sense. The attitude indicator is a large well lit instrument right in front of the pilots. impossible to overlook and it showed very clearly and unequivocally the extreme nose up attitide of the plane. Why didn't these pilots watch their bloody insturments right in fron of their noses? Why have such an instrumet if it isn't watched. And how come these pilots were not aware of the exact position of the VOR? Who was flying this plane? Bloody beginners?
I appreciate you brightening to daylight for a better view, but thought it was too much for Thai 261. I would have brightened it once or twice, leaving it at that.
I guess expecting pilots to check the artificial horizon is asking too much. This is why I'm afraid to fly - because some pilots have forgotten the basics of flying an aircraft.
i love your videos keep your good work your 1 one fun
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The pitch attitude increased to 48 degrees, the angle of attack could not have been that high. Good video!
6:35 "During the third Go Around the Angle of Attack gradually Increased from 18 to 48 degrees...
But WHY? WHY?. WHY?!!!
hello, flight channel. could you possibly do polish air force 101? if you can’t, that’s perfectly fine. also, good video.
FINALLY MY COUNTRY AIRLINE
wow, scare bus.. so tricky to fly
7:50 als ehemaliger A310-Kapitän, der 7 Jahre lang in dieser Funktion auf Flughäfen mit ähnlich ausgestatteten NAV-Hilfsmitteln tätig war (nur 1 VOR oder sogar nur 1 NDB). Ich wage zu behaupten, wenn das Flugzeug wirklich in der hier gezeigten Fluglage auf dem Boden aufgeschlagen hätte wie in dieser Animation gezeigt, hätte eigentlich diesen Unfall niemand überleben können 😢 !! Nicht einmal in einem der stärksten Flugzeuge, die je gebaut wurden. Wie auch immer sumpfig der Boden gewesen sein mag, tut mir leid. Mögen sie in Frieden ruhen.
I still don't understand why the pilots allowed the plane to pitch upwards so far. Surely they could tell? This is a really mystifying accident. Also, if the survivors were at the front of the plane, it can't have hit the ground by the nose as portrayed in the graphics. I did check the wikipedia report on this accident and an important factor was the inadequate lighting on the runway with many turned off and the lighting at the end of the runway not working.
Its bc it was a swamp. Water and mud allowed much softer impact
prayers for those who survived this horrific crash as they'll need forever consulting watching others perish
Happy to see survivors- there the silver linings were🎉 With influential and powerful people onboard - Thai transport minister's sister; Thai popular singer; member of parliament from Surat Thani, etc the plane pilots did try their best and would have returned to Bang-kok after so many attempts (3) to land. Feels like they weren't working independently according to their best skills rather under pressure that day. I always feel like heart attack would be the cause of my death in such cases even if plane survived the crash. I most likely will scream enough to panic others and force others to hit me with something so death due to injury could be another likely cause- injury caused by a fellow passenger!!
I thought the automation in an Airbus would prevent it from stalling. When the pilots keep pulling on the sidestick, the automation should override this command. So why did the plane stall?
Airbus's first 2 planes (A300 and A310) had traditional Yokes like Boeing and didn't have the flight envelope protection that started with the A320 and digital sidesticks. I'm pretty sure the AP had basic stall recovery had it not been disengaged but, flown manually, they had no protections beyond what anything else had.
It’s prob not healthy I watch these before my flights but man I love them
I read "stalling in the sky and crashing" to the tune of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds by The Beatles...
From your simulation it looked like they didn't retract the gear on the third attempt. That could have contributed to the stall and the attitude issues.
I don't assume the video depiction of that is accurate, but even if the gear was down would not make enough difference in rate of deceleration, pitch trim, or stall angle of attack to materially contribute to the crash.
I don't think that is correct. Prematurely retracting the landing gear slows the plane down and makes it even harder to come out of a stall, not the other way around as it might seem. There are many videos on this channel showing precisely this situation, in which if the pilot had the landing gear down it would have prevented the accident, such as on larger jets like the 747.
@@jokers7890 I think you both have it backwards. Gear down INCREASES DRAG. That SLOWS the plane which contributes to the stall. It can also cause disruption to the air flow affecting the pitch.
@@jmWhyMe Gear drag is parasite drag so gear down at very slow speed is not that much drag. The flaps produce more drag. The gear drag is not that significant in terms of this accident, where the airplane never gained much speed and the deceleration after liftoff was caused by the extreme pitch attitude.
Also, initiating gear retraction can cause an increase in drag on many airplanes because the large gear doors that were closed extend into the airstream and also allow airflow to trip over the edges of the open wheel wells. On some airplanes in the event of an engine failure on takeoff you are taught to delay gear retraction until definitely out of ground effect and accelerating.
@@gort8203 parasite drag is not so bad? Give me a break.
I get that on an engine failure, you are concerned about power. That wasn't the case here. The gear down time is transitory, and was definitely contributing to the stall, and while not a pilot, I have seen gear contribute to pitch instability. On go around, gear up is part of the immediate checklist with positive climb rate, which they initially had, but since they weren't paying attention to procedures or their instruments, this got lost.
I had just started living in Thailand when this happened. A subsequent inquiry found that the pilot made a third approach, procedures said that after 2 attempts it should be aborted. I think the plane had enough fuel on board to make it back to Bangkok.
I was shuttling all over South East Asia from 92 till 2013 .... Most of my travels are by land when I got involved with 1995 Chiang Mai SEA Games, 1997 Kuala Lumpur Youth World Cup, then 1998 Kuala Lumpur Commonwealth Games followed by 1998 Bangkok Asian Games .... its the best place to live at the Andaman Seas.
It's well known among pilots that if you can't land after 2 attempts, chance is 99% you still can't land on 3rd attempt, so why bother to attempt at all? Just go to your alternate, wait for the weather get better and then fly back to your destination. Just a lil bit annoyance but no one will cry at the sudden funerals.
I’ve flown on planes before and LUCKILY our flight has NEVER had a fatality which is pretty good
Your people look more natural every time
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Your channel is brilliant man.
Most unfortunate and tragic.
Rest in Peace 🙏
Prayers from Pakistan
It’s a miracle anyone survived
Nice we have RNAV approaches now, which keep us on a constant descent path to the runway. No more “dive and drive” type approaches.
i think the final plunge animation at 7:42 is wrong. there is no reference to this on wiki. all sources say it crashed due to a stall and loss of speed. so think of it like air france 447, nose up till it hit the swamp
I’m so sorry to those who losses their loved ones
"...Crashing Just Before Landing"
amazing! I would not have thought such a thing possible!
What?
I MEAN, ISN'T A CRASH A LANDING--OF SORTS?
Once you crash, you can't land any further.
You can't crash...AND THEN land.
Once yr down, yr DOWN.
The only way you can crash BEFORE landing
is to CRASH
and then somehow rise and land.🛬🛑🛫🛬
@@lincolnyaco5626 Not what is meant here. At all. Not even close. Wow.
bad wording then. wow.
Makes it sound like it crashed 💥and then landed.
To say, "..it crashed 💥before it landed" is redundant.
ALL crashes 💥occur before landings. Nu?
They don't crash before take-offs.
Get me?
@@JeffBenoit-h1r
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This feels very much like the proximate cause wasn't the go-arounds as such, but the disorientation caused by stress and conditions, especially the lack of an external visual ref.
17 Aug 2023 - BEECHCRAFT 390 Premier 1 crashed like a stucked rudder. Its mind boggling how it crashed approaching the airport🤔
The passengers started jumping out of their seats? Exactly where did they plan to go?
Stopped watching at the third go-around. Now, when I hear "experienced pilot with a gazillion hours flight time...", I know it'll be a thorough cock-up.
How sad. May all the victims rest in peace 🙏
When i rewatch this news , I found out that one celebrity survived the incident.
"Stalling in the sky...." ---- Bro, where else do you think you can stall ???
You have my thumbs up, though. Excellent work as usual !!!
in a car.
@@Capecodham Mmmmkay, you make a point. Should have added "with a plane". ^^
Your comment makes me realize that in english, "to stall" means that the engine stops (due to lack of fuel or airflow). In french, we say "caler". But when a plane loses its lift force (due to lack of thrust), you guys also use "to stall" even if the engines don't stop, am I right ? In that case, in french, we say "décrocher". That verb has several possible translations. For example, "décrocher un tableau" means "to take down a painting". In the case of a plane, I would say that "décrocher" is more like "to be unable to keep your ascending trajectory and fall down" (due to lack of thrust).
@@Knacky59 Long story short, think before you comment.
Given that neither pilot survived, what was going through their minds during the last approach is a matter of speculation.
Oh by the way the video was great to look at although the fonts used were hard to read. They looked great - the fonts but were tough to read being so closely spaced and white on a relatively light background. I felt quite a discomfort all through trying to push my eyes through the strain of these fonts. I may be the only one due to medical reasons I have still thought to share.
Mind blowing visuals
that was insane.
great work! got a reccomendation for your channel: thought it would be cool if ya analyzed the famous "cast away" flight, even if it's fictional, and could be analyzed in any way, but just an idea:)